I am a former Roman Catholic who has found salvation in the Lord Jesus Christ. I don't make that statement to provoke a firestorm of controversy within this forum( I know that ' them's fightin' words' to many sincere and devout Roman Catholics, and I am not here to stir the ashes of that oft fought battle), or to belittle anyone's walk of faith: it's simply the most honest way that I can state my own path to God through Christ.

I don't really wish to direct this to any active Roman Catholics who find their current walk with Christ fulfilling within the RCC : rather, I direct this SOLELY to former Catholics (and let's hold off on that ' once a Catholic, ALWAYS a Catholic ' cliche for a while, shall we? I agree with it to some extent, although perhaps not in a way that the Magisterium may concur.)like myself who have found Christ in salvation and moved on to a more Evangelical Protestant existence.

Here's my questions:

Without getting into the usual ' sola scriptura / sola ecclessia ' diatribe, how do you think , based upon your own experience, the Evangelical church has related to your being a former Roman Catholic ? Are the people in those churches generally " clueless" as to what Rome teaches, and what you experienced as a Catholic? Do you find that Protestant ministers and laymen engage in " Catholic bashing" to the extent that our Roman Catholic friends ascribe? How have you dealt with the reactions of family & friends over leaving the Catholic Church? Was your experience as a Roman Catholic (theology aside) a positive one, and did it prepare you in any way for what you now experience as a born again Christian?

Again,I am well aware that some of our Roman Catholic friends may take offense at how I have phrased these inquiries, but, this is for YOU, my fellow former Catholic brothers & sisters in Christ. I am not really interested in hearing so much about the "wrongs" done to you by Catholicism: I am more interested in your experience WITHIN the Evangelical Protestant church AS a former Catholic.

Please, feel free to email me with your response, if you wish to not post it within this forum. I would also like to extend my thanks to the Catholic moderators of the forum for allowing me this post, which some faithful Roman Catholics may see as an affront to their faith. As I have tried to state, it's not my intent to start a war within this forum. Perhaps, honest and charitable responses to this inquiry may be read as a small step among professed followers of Christ for deeper understanding of one another.

Your brother,

Thomas

-- Thomas J. Aytch (tjhcwfan@aol.com), April 14, 2002

Answers

Hi Thomas:

I hope you don't mind my piping in here. I have been involved in evangelical/charismatic churches forever, and I have noted MUCH anti- catholocism in all those circles. In fact, one church we just visited recently 'made sport' of a former catholic during a bible study, ridiculing everything he said in front of the group. It was very upsetting to both myself and my husband. We haven't been back.

God Bless,

Gail

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), April 14, 2002.

Just a quick note:

Catholics don't believe in "sola ecclessia." Thank you.

-- Jeffrey Zimmerman (jeffreyz@seminarianthoughts.com), April 14, 2002.

Dear Thomas:
You only WISH you could provoke a firestorm in our midst. There is no cliche; once baptised a Catholic, you may renege and become an apostate, even an atheist. but on your immortal soul is the indelible mark of your Catholic baptism.

If by an eternal misfortune you die in sin and are sent to hell, one of the most painful of your agonies will be that mark upon your immortal soul. It will accuse you before all the lost souls in hell and every demon there. One who came to salvation; renounced his own salvation and abandoned Christ. A lost Catholic soul! What can be more tragic?

You pose as a friend to these misguided few who leave the Church of the Apostles; how tenderly you address them:

''YOU, my fellow former Catholic brothers & sisters in Christ. I am not really interested in hearing so much about the "wrongs" done to you by Catholicism: I am more interested in your experience WITHIN the Evangelical Protestant church AS a former Catholic.''

What a saint! Yes, ''interested'', as if you would come into a Catholic forum to spread good cheer? Well, Thomas, be of good cheer. Catholics don't fall by the wayside every day. Even you, dear friend, may yet die in the arms of Holy Mother Church. Your repentence is only a prayer away. Come back then to the ONLY Church. The Church in which your blessed ancestors had their salvation. YOUR ancestors, Thomas. In the Holy Catholic Church. Not a ''pretend'' church of the 1990's fringe.

-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), April 14, 2002.

I'm a Catholic. I want to comment on something outside of your questions. You wrote:

"I would also like to extend my thanks to the Catholic moderators of the forum for allowing me this post, which some faithful Roman Catholics may see as an affront to their faith."

This is silly. I can't imagine why you'd feel that your questions are an affront to someone's faith. You've got to separate the rules of the Catholic Church from the rules of an obscure online forum.

I look forward to the responses.

In Christ,

Mateo

-- (MattElFeo@netscape.net), April 14, 2002.

Jmj

This is really sad. Only three days ago, I took the time to track down the "Modeator's Note" thread and raise it to the top of the "Recent Answers" list. Did no one, old-timers and new visitors -- especially Thomas H ["aytch"] -- read it? Once again, we have here a thread that is in violation of the Moderator's rules. The initiator is a formal heretic who is seeking responses (e-mail or public) from other formal heretics. Read, please, what the purposes of the forum are and the kinds of legitimate things that non-Catholics are allowed to do here:

"The purpose of this board as I see it is to allow Catholics to ask questions in a community setting that will help in deepening our knowledge and strengthening our faith; as well as to allow non-Catholics the chance to ask us sincere questions about our beliefs, and about Christ's church on Earth. ... Topics on this board are meant to be related to the objectives stated above, (furthering knowledge of the Catholic religion, and increasing people's faith). Questions *and Criticisms* from non-Catholics are also welcomed if done in a sincere fashion. Non-Catholics should feel free to politely ask any question they wish regarding our faith, and if you have a criticism, politely express it."

Although the responses to Thomas that may come forth from his fellow heretics may be interesting or entertaining to some, they belong on a Protestant forum, not a Catholic one in which they would violate the Moderator's rules. I recommend that this thread be deleted.

God bless you.
John

-- (jfgecik@hotmail.com), April 15, 2002.

AMEN.

-- Fred Bishop (fcbishop@globaleyes.net), April 15, 2002.

Dear Thomas, There are a great number of "recovering" catholics dotted within communities throughout this country. Some have chosen a protestant sect, others use a more personal religion as a vehicle. My congrats to you for finding the place that is best for you.

By the way, don't pay attention to the nonsense here about hell...there is no such 'place'..you know, the fire and brimstone you were threatened with as a child. NO fear, not even the Pope promotes such a childish vision anymore. Hell and Heaven are right here right now...within oneself. There does seem to be more of one of these states projected right here in this particular forum....so don't get burned. :-)

Take care and thanks for posting. Joan

-- Joan Storey (godessss@mindspring.com), April 15, 2002.

I am Catholic, attend daily mass, and on Sunday, but I would like to respond to something a poster said about attending an Evangelical church where they made fun of catholics, etc...

I have attended many protestant prayer groups...that is where I learned the Bible..Unfortunately, I did not learn about the Bible in my own church. We are coming around now, thank God. But, at the time there was no real emphasis on Bible teaching, unless you joined a charismatic prayer group.

However, I have never heard anyone at a protestant prayer group knock Catholics, ever and I was always very impressed with that. I'm sorry you experienced that because I never did.

In my town we have Interfaith services every year (should be more often, I guess) and we seem to respect our differences and I have never heard any bash another religion...Are all former catholics considered heretics? Sometime, when a person develops a personal relationship with Jesus and learns the Bible, they do leave the Catholic Church because they are not "fed" God's word enough...Knowing God's word changes things for some people...I wouldn't call them heretics...

-- cathy colarusso (marlborocat@yahoo.com), April 15, 2002.

Please, Do Not pay attention to Joan!( I call her the bulldog- She calls God, Godde).[ I was deleted for calling her a bulldog, though].

Joan, is a excomunicated Catholic, according to Canon law. She was excomunicated, for being involved, in the slaughter of innocent children.

What is wrong with this post, Moderator? Are you mad at me, for giving my opinion about leaving that foul language up for 18 days?

David

-- David (asdzxc@aol.com), April 15, 2002.

David, I am warning you... if you continue with your defamation of character I am going to sue you. Joan

-- Joan Storey (godessss@mindspring.com), April 15, 2002.

Pride.

-- Tony (awalker@teknett.com), April 15, 2002.

Dear Joan;
I gave you credit for more charity. You seem ready to curse David.

David, I am warning you... if you continue with your defamation of character I am going to sue you. Joan --/ . . . . .

I guess ''bulldog'' is bad language. But Hey-- don't sue David. He's standing up for the myriad unborn which I guess you learned-- superior understanding as you possess, were every one of them merely unviable dead tissue, just like a hangnail. Cut it away, make a nice girl happy; calling it a women's ''health'' procedure.

Joan; is pregnancy a disease? How is the disease contracted? Is a living, breathing BABY allowed to sue his mother for contracting the disease without asking him; and afterward Osterizing him in a Planned Parenthood blender? Like so much celery juice?

I wish I'd gone to law school. I would represent the unborn in court. I would have to bring you in as a co-conspirator and accomplice to murder, you understand.

Nothing personal. You have a clean conscience, I see. You probably came from a good Catholic family. You should plead insanity, Dear.

-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), April 15, 2002.

Joan, You bulldog! I don't scare like those innocent children! Look in the mirror(wrinkles and all). You killed babies,(BULLDOG). Sue me Bulldog, Joan.

-- David (asdzxc@aol.com), April 16, 2002.

Hello, Joan.

You found a new friend on the Catholic forum( Unless the Moderator, deletes me, like s[he] did tonight, for calling you, a BULLDOG].

When are you going to file your suit against me? I want you to sue me, BULLDOG! I know the real reason why you came to this Catholic forum! You came here because you can't stand looking at your face in the mirror! You are bored looking at that MUG!

It does not matter how wrinkled you are to God! It is what is inside your soul, that matters! Age is just a number,Joan! Look at the "Real Pope" for instance! He is a old man, but that soul is as young as you are in your wildest dream!

Good luck to you, BULLDOG!

David

-- David (asdzxc@aol.com), April 16, 2002.

WOO HOO! Oh man. Damned if that ain't funny! First there's no God, there's Godde. Then there's not a "real" Pope but a fake one, apparently. And now there's no Heaven or Hell but just heaven and hell on Earth or here in the Catholic forum where Satan lives.

Yep. I'd say Satan rears his ugly head every now and then here, that's for sure.

Joan, you talk about being one of the everyday Joe Blow Catholics but the fact is, you aren't. You follow what rules suit you and make up the rest as you go.

I will say this, though. You did give me a good old laugh this morning so, thanks for that, at least.

-- Jackiea (sorry@dontlikespam.com), April 16, 2002.

Mother Joan Your Quote: "By the way, don't pay attention to the nonsense here about hell...there is no such 'place'..you know, the fire and brimstone you were threatened with as a child. NO fear, not even the Pope promotes such a childish vision anymore. Hell and Heaven are right here right now...within oneself. There does seem to be more of one of these states projected right here in this particular forum....so don't get burned. :-)"

You are the MOST uninformed person I have yet to have seen. You are so godless it is not funny. Both the Old and New Testaments have clear references of Hell in them. You are NOT very smart and a fool. You have rejected the many references by Christ of what hell is and are the one in trouble for being the one spreading blasphemous lies. I suggest you to buy yourself a Bible Concordance and a good Catholic Bible and sit down and study the truth without the Devil at your side. Who knows it is possible that YOU are the devil disguised as a woman. Why do you have such hatred of GOD's truths? WHY?

-- Fred Bishop (fcbishop@globaleyes.net), April 16, 2002.

Cor blimey, I am outside myself, all because I am waiting for godde Joan to deliver her next revelation.

Spewing this ludicrous schlock, she lambasts me for refering to her as heretical? It all spurs me to wonder...what color is the sky in her world, and should she up her Risperdal dosage?

-- Melissa (holy_rhodes@earthlink.net), April 16, 2002.

Hi, Melissa.
Know where your phrase, "Cor blimey," comes from?
It is a euphemism for a mild British oath -- "(May) God blind me!"
Or, as Miss Storey would say, "May godde blind me!"

Hi, Cathy Colarusso.
You asked and opined, "Are all former Catholics considered heretics? ... I wouldn't call them heretics."

Well, Cathy, out of friendship toward those who are not trouble-makers, we don't normally use that strong term. However, the Catechism of the Catholic Church (quoting Canon Law) says that it is a technically correct one:
"2089. "Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. 'Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.' [canon 751]"

So, if a Catholic obstinately denies (or even obstiniately doubts) a dogma, he becomes a heretic. I think (don't you?) that we will find that almost every fallen-away Catholic does deny or doubt one or more dogmas (which we must believe)? Miss Storey denies various, for example.

God bless you.
John

-- (jfgecik@hotmail.com), April 17, 2002.

The historical Christian churches (i.e., the two branches of the One True Church, East and West, Orthodox and Catholic) should not concern itself with "Christian" churches outside of the historical Christian tradition. Non-historical churches are a relatively small portion of Christendom. All of the members of the 50,000+ thousand "Christian" churches that comprise Protestantism do not even make up one-half of the members of the Orthodox Church. And their number of members do not make up even one-fourth of the number of members of the Roman Catholic Church. Not only are they relatively small, they are furthered divided into disparate factions with disparate theologies. In the long run, "Evangelical" Christianity or "Bible Christianity" will be irrelevant at best.

Perhaps in its obituary it will be said of Protestantism ("Bible Christianity") that it was doomed from the start. Revelation is one way, from God to His people, in a covenant. It is God who chooses the covenant, not we. In both Judaism and historical Christianity (Catholic and Orthodox churches) the Scriptures are a product of the community (ekklesia, church)-- it is the lens through which the Scriptures are written, and it's through this lens the Scriptures are interpreted. The community must necessarily antedate the Scriptures, just as a language must exist prior to a grammar of that language or a game must exist prior to the rules of that game. Protestantism seeks to form the community out of the Scriptures (sola scriptura), thus essentially trying to make a covenant with God, rather than allowing God to make it.

-- vyachislav g. troshev (spetznaz_chechnya@yahoo.com), April 22, 2002.

Very astute, Sir.
You make an immense statement with great economy of words. I congratulate you on this fine entrance to our humble forum.

God bless you and your family; hopefully you'll be returning here.

-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), April 22, 2002.

Vyachislav G. Troshev's "immense statement" finds no back-up in the Bible, but uses human reason to validate his beliefs. "The Scriptures are a product of the community"???

God's Word says: "We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Corinthians 2:12-14)

"Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." (2 Peter 1:20-21);

As long as there is "Bible Christianity" (rooted in Scripture), it will never be "irrelevant," for "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." (1 Timothy 3:16,17) The "historical Christian churches" have used popes who freely pollute and destroy God's Word with human reason (i.e. infallibility of the pope, celibacy of the priesthood, Mary as Co-Redeemer--worshiping ("venerating") her, praying to her, etc., etc., etc. Nowhere in the Bible will you find support for these teachings. The early Christian Church (pre Catholic) did not follow these myths, but they have been invented throughout the centuries. Even Peter, the so-called "first pope" was never called that by Jesus or his contemporaries.

Today, the corrupt leadership of the RCC refutes the heart of Christianity by claiming that those who don’t believe in Jesus will be saved. It also jointly prays with those who reject Christ as Savior. The Bible clearly teaches us otherwise: “Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. (Mark 16:16)

“Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?” (2 Corinthians 6:14,15) Rome’s “wisdom” is no match for God’s Holy Word! As far as the largeness of the RCC is concerned, read what the Bible says about the size of God's Elect: "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." (Matthew 7:13,14); "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' (Matthew 7:21-23)

While some may choose to follow the "historical Christian churches" with their man-made rules, others look to the only source of wisdom: "Such confidence as this is ours through Christ before God. Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant--not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. (2 Corinthians 3:5b,6)

But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things--and the things that are not--to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast before him. It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God--that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord." (1 Corinthians 1:27-31)

-- Perry Conrad (perryconrad@yahoo.com), April 27, 2002.

Hi Perry,

You write:

"The early Christian Church (pre Catholic) did not follow these myths"

Uhhh...are you saying that the Church Fathers are Protestants? :-)

Some Protestants set out to prove that the early church's theologians support the Protestant position. Happily, many realize that it's impossible to separate Catholic theology from the early fathers' theology, and they drop their prejudices and convert to Christ's true faith. I recommend that you research what the early church theologians thought.

Also, you have a lot of concerns about Church teachings. I recommend that you look through earlier threads here for some answers. Also, check out Catholic Answers and EWTN's Q&A FAQ.

If you don't find all of your answers, please feel free to ask your questions about Catholicism on a new thread. Please avoid the "laundry list" approach to asking lots of questions in one thread--some questions may get lost in the shuffle.

In Christ,

Mateo.

-- (MattElFeo@netscape.net), April 27, 2002.

Hi Mateo!

Thank you for your kindness...

My point is that the early Church was neither "Catholic" or "Protestant"! People were followers of The Way, believers, disciples, witnesses, etc.

The Bible was the only norm for the Christian faith. Attacks about the teachings of this infant Church were defended by the Creeds, which summarized Bible truth. My "concerns" deal with departure from this simple faith.

Through the centuries, much has been added to this "pure" doctrine. The RCC has designed many practices for the faith that aren't required in the Bible. Human teachings have greatly replaced child-like faith in Jesus alone. Church leadership and tradition are placed on an equal footing. People pay money to help cover their sins and pray to Mary and the saints. These are dangerous detours from the Word of God. The focus is on church dogma and its requirements, rather than what God has done for us in Christ and his living transformation in our lives.

Jesus taught basic principles that even the young can understand. When he was asked "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." (Matthew 22:36-40)

Through [Jesus] you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God. Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from the heart. For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. For, "All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field; the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of the Lord stands forever." And this is the word that was preached to you. (1 Peter 1:21-25)

Beware of false teachings! The true Christian Church goes beyond titles like "Catholic" or "Protestant." Man-made ideas can weaken and destroy the simple faith in Christ crucified. Only in Him--not the church--can we be acceptable to God.

-- Perry Conrad (perryconrad@yahoo.com), April 27, 2002.

Peter

You are the most uninformed of all. It IS Christ who did indeed ordered the formation of the Church and Ordained to Peter the role of Leader (POPE) Told him to go out and build his church and gave him the Keys to Heaven and gave Peter the power to lose and bind on earth as they will be in heaven. What is it that you cannot understand? The Church which is Catholic is the evidence to that truth. It was started by the Apostles and continues to be so today.

-- Fred Bishop (fcbishop@globaleyes.net), April 27, 2002.

Perry--
Within the context of Vyachislav's words, the ''community'' means the Church.

The AUTHOR of the Holy Bible is God, yet there is still the Church where God illumined and inspired His faithful to commit the Word to memory first, and to writing later on. That's why V says, ''product''. We'd have no New Testament scriptures without the Evangelists, the Apostles and disciples; who have carried the Word to all the faithful.

You spring into action with such a meager provocation, Perry. Is it zeal for the Word of God? Or is it envy; all your life on the OUTSIDE looking IN? You may come in; and partake of all God's love and grace; just as your blessed ancestors did in the distant past. You are a descendant of Catholics, Perry. Some were good ones; and some died in sin. That's the common lot of this world.

But you can die someday with a soul white as snow-- in the Church Jesus Christ founded so that you might come to His grace. The grace that proceeds from His death and resurrection to the Church, to the faithful. By way, naturally, of His Apostles and disciples. They ''produced'' what you call the Bible.

God is the Author; they labored to bring us this Word; and the Church preserves the Word intact. You need the whole truth; and she can give that to you if you'll come back.

-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), April 27, 2002.

Perry,

Thanks for the response. You wrote:

"People pay money to help cover their sins and pray to Mary and the saints."

I know of no Catholic who has paid money for any sin. Your second part of the sentence is unclear. I can see two interpretations:

"People pay money to pray to Mary and the Saints."

or

"People pray to Mary and the Saints."

We don't pay money to pray to Mary and the Saints. Churches often have candles that we "pay" to use; but candles cost money. We are free to buy (or even make our own candle) and bring it to the church.

We do pray for help from Mary and the Saints. This is a totally Biblical practice.

Perry writes:

"These are dangerous detours from the Word of God. The focus is on church dogma and its requirements, rather than what God has done for us in Christ and his living transformation in our lives."

I believe that you're mis-characterizing Catholics here. If you look at the mass by itself, We typically hear three readings (for example, this includes an OT reading, a NT epistle/Acts/Revel, and a gospel). We sing from one of the Psalms. Typically, Bible verses also pop up throught the mass, as well as in the songs we sing. The homily (in my experience, similar to Protestants), discusses the meaning of the Gospel and other readings on our lives.

The second half of the mass recounts the sacrafice that Jesus made for all of us, in detail.

Are there Catholics who don't read the Bible outside Mass? Yes.

Are there Protestants who don't read the Bible? Yes.

Are these people damning themselves? No, there is no commandment, "Thou shalt read the Bible."

Should they read the Bible? Of course.

Make sense?

In Christ,

Mateo

-- (MattElFeo@netscape.net), April 27, 2002.

OOPS... My last post is directed to Perry NOT Peter.

-- Fred Bishop (fcbishop@globaleyes.net), April 27, 2002.

Question for:

eugene c. chavez

"If by an eternal misfortune you die in sin and are sent to hell, one of the most painful of your agonies will be that mark upon your immortal soul. It will accuse you before all the lost souls in hell and every demon there. One who came to salvation; renounced his own salvation and abandoned Christ. A lost Catholic soul! What can be more tragic?"

WHERE DO YOU COME UP WITH THIS STUFF?

-- New Creation (12books@aol.com), May 02, 2002.

Hey, New Creation ... Could you be more specific, please?
To what exactly to do object in Eugene's message? That is, on what point(s) do you disagree with him? I agree with him, and I think that he is giving a Catholic comment, so I'd like to know what is the problem.
Thanks. JFG

-- (jfgecik@hotmail.com), May 02, 2002.

John

Where in the world did this Quotation by Gene come from? I have not found it in this thread anywhere. Are they really Gene's words?

-- Fred Bishop (fcbishop@globaleyes.net), May 02, 2002.

Yes. Scroll up to Eugene's April 14 message, please.

-- (jfgecik@hotmail.com), May 02, 2002.

John

Thanks. Guess my sight is starting to go LOLOLOL. Blessings

-- Fred Bishop (fcbishop@globaleyes.net), May 02, 2002.