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From BBC SportPatrick Vieira is set to reject an offer of a one-year extension to his contract with Arsenal, according to his agent. The France midfielder wants a five-year deal worth £100,000 a week after tax, reports the News of the World.
Vieira has been repeatedly linked with a move to Real Madrid this summer, although Gunners boss Arsene Wenger insists the player will be staying at Highbury.
Vieira's agent, Marc Roger, said: "Patrick will say no to Arsenal's offer. It is not acceptable.
"They have offered only a one-year extension to his current deal, which expires in two years.
"But if they really want to keep him they have to offer a long-term deal which will be in tune with Patrick's value and ability."
-- Anonymous, April 14, 2002
£100k pw must be £120-125k per week before tax, absoultely ridiculous money, there is no way Arsenal will pay that, and I hope we don't buy anyone who wants that much, it would divide the team in a big way.He's a good player, but NOBODY is worth one hundred and twenty fecking thousand pounds a week, which is SIX TIMES THE AVERAGE BRITISH SALARY!
FFS!
-- Anonymous, April 14, 2002
Bloody hell, Sky Sports says he wants £160,000 a week. That might be £100k after tax, I don't know I haven't done the maths.Either way that's over £8m per year, a big rip off.
-- Anonymous, April 14, 2002
312 times.
-- Anonymous, April 14, 2002
£100k net is £167k gross!!!If @rsenal have one gram of sense they'll simply tell the greedy barsteward to bog off.
-- Anonymous, April 14, 2002
Does that include National Insurance, Clarky?
-- Anonymous, April 14, 2002
I bet he gets loaned out to Real Madrid in two years to become a tax exile.
-- Anonymous, April 14, 2002
Maybe not worth it, but if we had Viera there`s a fair chance we would have won the league this season. With all due respect to Gary Speed.
-- Anonymous, April 15, 2002
.....good point Screach - with NI it goes to £200k per week, ie £10m per year!Obscene greed.
-- Anonymous, April 15, 2002
So that's after the higher rate of tax (40%) and NI contributions (9%)? Does he pay Superannuation and union subs? ;-) Daft money when you think of the delicately balanced position football financing is in. So he's worth about a new 3 tier stand a year then?
-- Anonymous, April 15, 2002
Sooner or later - hopefully sooner - the Clubs will need to stand up to these greedy morons. I sincerely hope Arsenal do so with this tosser and firmly 'draw a line in the sand'.His proposed gross salary is probably greater than the annual turnover of some 75% of our pro footy Clubs!
-- Anonymous, April 15, 2002
I agree with the coments about "enough is enough". There was aletter in yesterday's Geordie Beano about capping players' wages. Fine in principle, but unless its a FIFA directive (no bliddy chance) then the better players in the EPL will just bog off to Spain and Italy. It's a tough one, but IMHO, clubs like @rse, ManUre and us will have to take a stand. If it means losing a few of the foreign mercenaries, then so be it.
-- Anonymous, April 15, 2002
Screacher - if the price of our major Club's financial survival is some mercenaries bogging off back to Europe, then so be it. Survival has to be the absolute priority.
-- Anonymous, April 15, 2002
Just to comment on the general principle of whether a player is "worth it".We live in a supply and demand economy - if you have a scarce resource - (eg immense football talent) then you can charge what the market will bear for it. What the market will bear is determined largely by the number of people who wish to attend the match and the numbers who are prepared to pay for the TV services which broadcast the games. Sponsorship and other extras will be added in direct proportion to those values.
So if you are prepared to stump up £400-£800 or whatever pa to watch your team and you stump up £30 a month or whatever for SKY plus PPV subs etc etc, then you have no business saying that a player is not worth it because you are the one who is prepared to pay for it. I won't pay for the TV to watch these players so if it was down to people like me to pay these salaries, players wages would probably be halved without the TV income. If you're prepared to pay it - it's harder to complain about somebody taking it.
-- Anonymous, April 15, 2002
Jonno - I pay ca. £800 pa for two ST's, plus £40 per month for cable tv. However, I maintain I have every right to complain about a player demanding £10m pa. Why? Because the the commercial realities of the game mean that the sum total of what the punters and Sky TV can afford to pay will not sustain a PL paying players such ridiculous sums of money. The Nationwide League Clubs are in the throes of finding this out, and the PL will be next - guaranteed.In simple terms, I cannot accept players being paid exorbitant wages that will inevitably bankrupt the game I love - even if Chairman responsible for running the Clubs haven't cottoned onto the facts of life as yet.
-- Anonymous, April 15, 2002
Clarky you sound like a Bob Murray supporter !!The Deloitte report last year said there'd be three classes of footballers in the future. At the top the Owens, Beckhams, Vieiras would be able to command huge wages as they were the cream.
The next level down were the ones to suffer. My view on this type was Gary Speed. Someone who was quite good, thought he was better and tried to demand high wages. The clubs should recognise that these players weren't that good and should look to drop the wages, or shorten the contracts or both, and the player would be looking for longer wages at higher pay. These are the players the clubs have to control. They have to recognise that just because someone captains a small country, has ten years ago won a Premiership title doesn't mean he is Patrick Vieira or Roy Keane.
The thrid type of player were the real journeymen who were going to have to learn very quickly that they were just commodities. I have Ketsbaia in mind at the time. These are players who just don't warrant the huge salaries at all. They are going to have to learn to accept one-year contracts at lower rates than they are used to. For us the players like this are the likes of Quinn and McClen, really just not up to it and getting overpaid.
-- Anonymous, April 15, 2002
Thrid level, macbeth, if that is the case, players like me do not have a scale low enough!
-- Anonymous, April 15, 2002
First compliment you've paid me all season Mac.If you've missed the Enron or Mirror Pension Fund stories, you probably haven't realised yet that what the "Big 5" (ptuh) accounting firms decree isn't necessarily written on tablets of stone.
If you don't wish to believe either me, or my alter-ego clarky, that's your choice bonny lad. However, let me suggest once more that as professional footy clubs are currently configured - here, in France, Spain or even Italy - they cannot afford to be paying players £10m per year, not even Patrick feckin Viera. It is sheer commercial nonsense - and sooner or later the market will deliver its verdict on those who don't waken up.
-- Anonymous, April 15, 2002
Yes it is demand and supply, but it is also a HUGE oppotunity cost to pay him that much. Imagine if Arsenal had a feeder club in the lower leagues? £8m a year could do a hell of a lot to a third division club.Robert apparently wanted £30k pw when he was about to sign for us. We told him to bugger off and he came back and accepted 10k less. The fact that Vieira is the one with the bargaining powers makes it difficult for Arsenal, as they are not half the team without Vieira.
It's a vicious circle though, once you start paying £170k PER WEEK (still having trouble contemplating that figure) the Henrys and the Pires' of the team are going to want that too and clubs go into massive decline.
Roma, Real Madrid, and loads of others are in huge amounts of debt. I think £20k per week is probably the most we should pay players, as £1m per year is fair and would allow teams to reduce season ticket prices a bit.
The bottom line is £170k pw is far too much, and to a certain extent Arsenal are setting a standard here. The current record is £110k pw for Vieri at Inter (similar names, coincidence??) and I honestly can't see Arsenal going near that figure for Vieira, who will be HATED by the Arsenal fans if he leaves to earn even more money.
-- Anonymous, April 15, 2002
Paul - I honestly can't see Arsenal or any other PL club paying any player £150-200k per week, or indeed anything like it. With the Sky contract negotiations getting under way early next season, this would be tantamount to signing your own suicide note.In truth, this story is most likely just @rsewipe journalism, or an initial negotiating position by Viera.
-- Anonymous, April 15, 2002
There are quotes from Vieira's agent, although it doesn't necessarily mean it's about the said wage amount. It is well known he is off to Real Madrid in the summer anyway, he just issued a loyalty call to keep the fans happy until the summer.Real's team will be more brilliant than it already is the jammy sods with Vieira in it. Imagine a centre midfield pairing of Zindane and Vieira... (although McManaman is on wide right)
-- Anonymous, April 15, 2002
Sounds like you're taking your economics lessons too seriously Paul - opportunity costs. Last time I came across that was a bird on Chilli Road ;-)
-- Anonymous, April 15, 2002
Nah, it's Maths as well that one. Stragely enough it was something I knew of before I'd learned any Economics.To be honest I couldn't think of any other way to explain it.
-- Anonymous, April 15, 2002
I don't think we have a difference on the issue Clarky. I am saying that if the market will bear it then the player is "worth it" within the basic laws of supply and demand economics. Your point is that the market cannot bear it, in the case of the proposed amounts for Vierra. You may well be correct - the income growth in the game may be about to level off or even go into reverse.One difference we do have is that you are prepared to pay for higher incomes for players than I am, as I refuse to pay to watch the game on TV.
-- Anonymous, April 16, 2002
reading this thread takes me back 30 years to me grandad complaining how much noddy holder made for baalin & shootin.thanks for the memories you bunch of crusty old change from 3 bob whingers.
btw. do you think vierra will be paid weekly, in cash, in a brown envelope with a blue and green pay stub detailing his deductions, i like the thought of that, it goes with the $xx per week thing.
i also like the thought of him getting drunk on the way home and stopping off at the bookies.
-- Anonymous, April 16, 2002
Copious thanks for the customary insult, gb - now, do you have a serious point to add to the debate, or is that basically.... er... it?
-- Anonymous, April 16, 2002
ooh clarky i'll rise to your bait - if you'll pardon the expression -point is why do we care how much vierra makes or wants, we don't pay him directly,
but wait, we do endorse his demands indirectly, by subscribing to sky, ppv and going to the match.
and who's to say that vierra is a greedy bastard for wanting 8 mil, presumably there's a number above which a footballer falls into the greedy bastard category, 2.5 million alan shearer, that's fine, 8 million is right out.
this is just life, the way of the world, complaining about it is like complaining about the weather or the royal family, i.e. its just a bit of complaining, which is what tickled me about this "debate" hence the referencee to my dear old grandad and noddy holder.
is that ok?
-- Anonymous, April 16, 2002
With me, it's more a problem that he's TURNED DOWN £80k per week.The vast majority would love to do a job that paid that much in a year, but Vieira has the arrogance to suggest that his undoubted ability is worth a lot more than that.
If he had said, fine £80k is great, I'll take it, there's less of a problem as he was offered it, he didn't demand it. But asking for more than that is taking the piss IMHO.
On a more general scale, wages are already too high in the top Euro leagues and I honestly can't see them being maintained this high.
Only Manure and Sunderland made profits in England in the last year after player trading which is quite frankly appaling. The fans keep demanding the top players, the players demand the big wages and then competition between clubs starts to sign the big players and wage offers spiral out of control.
Before long, some top PL clubs will struggle and sell off players and possibly survive on youth alone or get relegated. I just hope it isn't us that is first to go (obviously not in the immediate future)
-- Anonymous, April 16, 2002
Er, you mean Leeds?
-- Anonymous, April 16, 2002
Try reading the thread again, gb - I've answered your question at twice already.As a free-market economist I'd have thought you'd already understand the blindingly simple point I've tried to make.
-- Anonymous, April 16, 2002
actually i'm a black market surrealist jazz puristpass the chardonay
-- Anonymous, April 16, 2002