As stated in the Bill of Rights,article #1, we have the right to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. What in your opinion would a list of grievances consist of?

-- TomK(mich) (tjk@cac.net), February 24, 2002

Answers

The highjacking of the republic by Big Business and Big money. Untill thats addressed the peoples voice will not be heard.

-- john (natlivent@pcpros.net), February 24, 2002.

presidental poweres, Kennedy signed them into law,, bypassing the Constitution,, thats a greivance if I ever heard one

-- Stan (sopal@net-port.com), February 24, 2002.

A petition is a request, and redress means to correct or repair, and perhaps includes compensation.

Now as far as government goes, I think that government is pretty good at ignoring petitions until they are forgotten or the petitioner dies. In other words we do not use the bill of rights or the constitution any more since we are now global.

I do not have a solution, but I am interested and listening.

-- Ed Copp (OH) (edcopp@yahoo.com), February 24, 2002.

I'm afraid Ed is right...look at the We the People petition for a redress of grievances. 600,000 plus signatures and 299 points to be addressed and they just say -"No. We don't like you, so we won't answer." It is supposed to go on regardless of the lack of bureauratic participation, but the arrogance is amazing and they can't answer the charges if they refuse to participate...

At any rate, I believe the grievances against the Federal Government could be a much more impressive list than the founders compiled. I'll throw out ten things right away, and then someone else can throw out ten more.

1)The issue of a Central Bank. We are being issued fiat script financed by debt that is never going to be able to be paid off. The money paid to the IRS goes to the Fed Reserve, then they send it to the IMF. The IMF is part of the UN. ha. I call this fraud in the purest sense of the word. (All ills follow this as it is the love of money, pure greed, and drunkeness of power that ensue. Has anyone else here read "The Creature from Jekyll Island"? It is quite an expose.)

2) Engaging our military in un Constitutional activities, spreading them out as the police of the world while leaving our borders wide open.

3)Making law by executive fiat and ignoring Constituional limits of powers and the balance of power.

4) Experimenting medically and with weapons of war on members of the military as well as the citizenry without regard to life.

5) Murdering citizens completely within their rights and destroying and refusing to disclose evidence in these crimes.

6)Increasing laws at such a rate that there is no reasonable way for a person to keep abreast of the currently illegal activities.

7) Infringing upon all of our God given rights and converting them to priveleges.

8) Destroying the system of justice through instructing juries as to what they must rule and how they are to interpret the law.

9) Infringing upon the media to such an extent as to mislead and lie to the general populace about events.

10) Making treaties with the UN that take away the sovereignty of the nation and allow the Constituion to be superceded by UN law.

.....NEXT!

-- Doreen (bisquit@here.com), February 24, 2002.

11. Confiscation of property for the “common good” Utah, Clinton

12. Gun control for the common people Handgun Control

13.Directly transferring money from the government to private citizens. Welfare

14. Allowing government monopolies Post Office, Public Education Amtrak

15 Allowing judges to change laws rather than interpret them. Too numerous to list

-- Bob in WI (bjwick@hotmail.com), February 25, 2002.

Stop for a minute and just think how very long this list could become!

Wow!

-- Jim-mi (hartalteng@voyager.net), February 25, 2002.

So far some very good grievances, looking over the Declaration of Independence, would these grievances listed so far go beyond "light and transient Causes?"

-- TomK(mich) (tjk@cac.net), February 26, 2002.

Tom, I believe they greatly exceed 'light and transient causes". This list isn't even really started yet. I am hoping some other folks feel like adding some more or I will be forced to post another 10 later today!!!

-- Doreen (bisquit@here.com), February 27, 2002.

Go for it Doreen.

Talk to you later.

-- Bob in WI (bjwick@hotmail.com), February 27, 2002.

16) Imprisoning people for crimes in which no victim exists.

17) Charging people with crimes via ex post facto law.

18) Taking children away from their parents on heresay.

19) Violating the sanctity of marriage by making it a privelege granted by man rather than a sacrement of God.

20) Infringing upon the right to travel by creating a licensing system and a de facto Natinal database on every citzen who applies for a license to drive a vehicle.

21) Violating the right to peaceful protest by passing legislation making it a crime to protest near abortion centers. Further destroying this right by actually creating riots at protest gatherings. (ie Seattle) thereby effectively destroying the voice of dissent.

22) Creating a system wherein a person has no ability to object to the use of his money for deeds repugnant to him.

23)Encroaching upon States Rights and subverting the legislatures of those States by extortion and threat of withholding federal monies.

24) Disallowing the right to trial by jury in cases where real property is in question (bills of attainder).

25)Giving 70% of our landmass to the UN via the Biosphere Treaty.

26)Harboring foreign troops on our soil.

27) Failing to protect our borders in a time of National Crises.

28) Partnering with corporations on genetically modified crops.

29) Implementing a system of socialism foreign to our constitutions and contrary to good of mankind.

30) Discouraging citizenship by allowing unmitigated immigration with no tracking or controls and allowing non citizens to benefit from the above mentioned system of socialism.

31) Breaking every single treaty ever enacted with the indigenous population of this continent.

That will do for now, coffe is ready!

-- Doreen (bisquit@here.com), February 28, 2002.

Here's a huge one: Illegally declaring the constitution amended when those amendments were rejected, not properly ratified by 3/4ths of the states, or were ratified by states with 'defacto' legislatures.

-- bryan taylor (bryan@worldshare.net), May 27, 2002.

How about even talking of changing the pledge of allegiance, a part of American history, because of one three letter word?

-- Erin K (Tdevil318@aol.com), August 26, 2002.

i think the grievances of the nation should not be denounced by any one party of the group to be fully substancial for the grievance for the one. In order for there to be a truly self-substancial grievance in accordance with the "common good" idea, there has to be a fully agreeable legislature among, not only, the group, but the nation as well.

-- Kel-El (Chrisred134@msn.com), October 28, 2002.

I will be posting a compiled lsit of grievances on my website 911Exposed.com as soon as I can make it possible. Thank you. -Eric Rainbolt, eric@911exposed.com, Austin Texas

-- Eric Rainbolt (eric@911Exposed.com), April 13, 2003.