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This is a much more detailed account of this issue, the beginnings of which we discussed some months ago. It was followed by a massive listing of email and fax numbers of media, govt etc. which I did not include. WARNING: IF you are the kind of person who would rather NOT know about seemingly credible reports of what representatives of our government could have contributed to the 9/11 tragedy, DON'T READ THIS.
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We may be witnessing the Nazification of our nation. --Toni Morrison, Nobel laureate in literature, January, 2002

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Was there a CIA connection to 9-11, and is the US media suppressing it? Below are mainstream European media reports w/URL sources, that beg for a full investigation of this. Please read the 9 summary reports below, then act!
The SUCCESS of this effort depends on EACH of us dedicating ourselves to this for the next few weeks at least, and URGING others we pass this Activist Kit onto to do the same! US is media is suppressing this information. It can only get to people through the efforts of you and I
1) Fax and email out THE MESSAGE marked as such below to all the contacts. 2) THEN network this entire Activist Kit out as far and wide as you possibly can, to churches, activist groups, etc. etc. (use internet search engines, yahoo, google, msn, etc. to find more and more and more contacts of such activist groups and institutes of conscience to send this to and ask them to act and to spread the word).
We must create a ROAR of demand for this to be fully investigated, or the media and congress will never have the courage to do so. Spread the Activist Kit out to get hundreds of others to use it, and then use it and the FAX and email numbers to get the below message out yourself.
Free thinking writers are too frightened to speak up. Democrats are afraid too. They need us to flood them, the media, and institutions worldwide with this information to give them the courage to do what they can do.
Activist Kit (Message to send out below, followed by contact lists):
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I realize this information will be upsetting. But, it must be looked at.
[Each fact is footnoted with a URL link to a credible respected news site. Please read this, and then use the Activist Kit I have created below, and then share this information and Kit with as many others as you can. Those who perished on 9-11 deserve to have the whole truth be known, whatever that truth may be. The burden lies on our shoulders and depends on what we do right now.]
WHY DID MAINSTREAM MEDIA "VOW TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE INSIDER TRADING THAT PROFITED OFF THE 9-11 HORROR," AND THEN SUDDENLY . . . DROPPED THE STORY?
The 9 DISTURBING FACTS:
- The Bush Administration forced the FBI to back off of the Bin Laden investigation months before 9-11. [BBC transcript BUSH – BIN LADEN HIDDEN AGENDA!!!] http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/events/newsnight/newsid_1645000/1645527.stm
“I Don’t Buy It” “ I was one of the first tenants in the World Trade Center (WTC) back in 1979. Back then----over 20 years ago----it was known to all the tenants of the WTC that the WTC was a “no fly” zone. If you came within 12 miles of the WTC, flying outside of a pattern where you were supposed to be, you were warned to back off. If you came within five miles, they would threaten to shoot you down. If you came within three miles, they could shoot you down. . . . “I had a friend who was flying a small plane who got warned away and they almost blew him out of the sky 20 years ago because he was showing somebody a close view of the towers. “I can see the first tower getting hit by surprise, but 15 minutes later the second tower also gets hit? I don’t buy it.” Walter Burien, Radio Free America, Nov 11, 2001 [See FAA and DOD standard procedures for off course flight intercepts and shoot downs (all violated on 9-11)].
- The CIA station chief in Dubai met with Bin Laden 7 weeks before 9-11, and at a time when Bin Laden was supposedly "wanted" by the CIA. http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,584444,00.html· (German Trans.) http://www.orf.at/orfon/011031-44569/index.html (US Wash Times Artcl: www.washtimes.com Report: bin Laden treated at US hospital Elizabeth Bryant UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL Published 10/31/2001
An interview with Michael Springman exposes the CIA's links with the terrorist attacks on September 11 Straight Goods reader Ken MacAllister of Vancouver, BC writes: Michael Springmann worked for the US government for 20 years with the foreign service and consulate. He just went public with the story of his involvement in a large scale CIA operation that brought hundreds of people from the middle east to the US, issued them passports and trained them to be terrorists. Springmann says that the CIA is working closely with Bin Laden and his operatives in Jeddah and has been since 1987. The most haunting implication from this interview is that all of the terrorist acts of late were planned and paid for by the CIA with US taxpayers money so that the US could legitimately bomb the hell out of Afghanistan The interview is riveting, and I urge you to give it a listen. Hear the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) interview here. http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewNote.cfm?REF=1267
WHY WERE FAA & DOD “INTERCEPT” PROCEDURES NOT FOLLOWED ON 9-11? >It is a FACT that DOZENS of Air Force and Air National Guard bases are located within TEN to THIRTY minutes intercept time of BOTH 9.11 target locations. > >It is a FACT that most of these installations have at the ready fighter jets such as F-16s to be scrambled on a MOMENT's NOTICE, for >intercepting troubled or problem aircraft. > >It is a FACT that air defense units DID receive alerts from Air Traffic Controllers and non-corrupt FAA officials on a number of aircraft across the East Coast which had broken communications and deviated radically from established flight paths on the morning of September 11. > There are now 12 Congressional Committees planning to investigate 9-11, and how it was allowed to occur. Bush & Cheney have taken the unprecedented step of urging the Senate to "limit" inquiries into 9-11. Read the below reports and you may understand "why" Bush and Cheney don't want this in the light of day.
What do we know of 9-11 that should be investigated?
Pre 9-11 Intelligence Breakdowns: - Reportedly the Bush Administration forced the FBI to "back off" on their investigations of terrorism in the Middle East. FBI Deputy Director O'Neill (killed in WTC on 9-11) reportedly resigned not long before 9-11 over this investigative obstruction, claiming that the main obstruction was the interests of American Oil Companies. (Source: Recently released French Book, "Bin Laden, La Verite Interdite" (Bin Laden, the Forbidden Truth)
- US Oil interests were well represented within the negotiating team, that apparently was the source of the threat to "bury Afghanistan in a carpet of bombs" unless they played ball in creating a major oil pipeline through Afghanistan. This threat was reportedly made several months before 9-11. (Bush's family has a strong oil background. So do some of his top aides.
-U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney was until the end of last year president of Halliburton, a company that provides services for the oil industry;
-National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice was between 1991 and 2000 manager for Chevron;
-Ministers of Commerce and Energy, Donald Evans and Stanley Abraham worked for Tom Brown, another oil giant. [ BBC interview on the above issue: - The Bush Administration forced the FBI to back off of the Bin Laden investigation months before 9-11. Source: BBC transcript BUSH ? BIN LADEN HIDDEN AGENDA! http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/events/newsnight/newsid_1645000/16455 27.stm]
- CIA Station Chief in Dubai met with Bin Laden only 7 weeks before 9-11 took place, yet they did not try to apprehend him, only met with him. - The CIA station chief in Dubai met with Bin Laden 7 weeks before 9-11, and at a time when Bin Laden was supposedly "wanted" by the CIA. http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,584444,00.html· (English) (German Trans.) http://www.orf.at/orfon/011031-44569/index.html
- US government agent claims the CIA has been dealing with Bin Laden since 1987, and he suggests in his interview that the terrorist acts of late may well have been planned and paid for by the CIA with US taxpayers money to enable the Bush Administration to "legitimately" bomb Afghanistan into submission.
An interview with Michael Springman exposes the CIA's links with the terrorist attacks on September 11 [Michael Springman worked for the US government for 20 years with the foreign service and consulate. He just went public with the story of his involvement in a large scale CIA operation that brought hundreds of people from the middle east to the US, issued them passports and trained them to be terrorists. Hear the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) interview here. http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewNote.cfm?REF=1267]
-Insider Trading profits off the 9-11 terror don't lead to Osama Bin Laden, but to AB Brown Trust, until recently chaired by the 3rd highest man in the CIA.
-[Someone with considerable financial resources, and foreknowledge of the terrorist event, put stock options "against" the airlines that were to explode that week of 9-11. - INSIDER TRADING PROFITS from 9-11 were reported by the US media when they thought it was Arab terrorists . . . but then the story mysteriously died. Then the UK Independent revealed that it leads to a firm chaired by the 3rd highest man in the CIA (and stranger still is that $2.5 million of the "winnings" are still unclaimed (see below for URL to entire story). http://globalresearch.ca/articles/RUP110A.html . Info confirmed by Independent Newspaper in UK: http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=99402]
[Standard FAA and DOD "intercept and shoot down procedures" were violated on 9-11 (see FAA and DOD procedures on "intercepts").] Ų It is a FACT that standard intercept procedures for dealing with these kinds of situations ARE TOTALLY ESTABLISHED, IN FORCE and ON- LINE in these United States 365 days a year, 7 days a week, 24 hours a day. Ų Ų Regarding rules governing IFR requirements, see FAA Order 7400.2E >'Procedures for Handling Airspace Matters,' Effective Date: December 7, 2000 (Includes Change 1, effective July 7, 2001), Chapter 14-1-2. >Full text posted at: >http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/AIR/air1401.html#14-1-2FAA > Ų Guide to Basic Flight Information and Air Traffic Control (ATC) >Procedures,' (Includes Change 3 Effective: July 12, 2001) Chapter 5-6-4 >"Interception Signals" Full text posted at: >http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/AIM/Chap5/aim0506.html#5-6-4
Ų FAA Order 7110.65M 'Air Traffic Control' (Includes Change 3 Effective: July 12, 2001), Chapter 10-2-5 "Emergency Situations" >Full text posted at: >http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/ATC/Chp10/atc1002.html#10-2-5
Ų FAA Order 7110.65M 'Air Traffic Control' (Includes Change 3 Effective: July 12, 2001), Chapter 10-1-1 "Emergency Determinations" >Full text posted at: >http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/ATC/Chp10/atc1001.html#10-1-1
Ų FAA Order 7610.4J 'Special Military Operations' (Effective Date: >November 3, 1998; Includes: Change 1, effective July 3, 2000; Change 2, effective July 12, 2001), Chapter 4, Section 5, "Air Defense Liaison >Officers (ADLO's)" >Full text posted at: >http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/MIL/Ch4/mil0405.html#Section%205
Ų FAA Order 7610.4J 'Special Military Operations' (Effective Date: >November 3, 1998; Includes: Change 1, effective July 3, 2000; Change 2, effective July 12, 2001), Chapter 7, Section 1-2, "Escort of Hijacked Aircraft: Requests for Service" >Full text posted at: >http://faa.gov/ATpubs/MIL/Ch7/mil0701.html#7-1-2
Ų Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Instruction 3610.01A,' 1 June 2001, "Aircraft Piracy (Hijacking) and Destruction of Derelict Airborne Objects," 4. Policy (page 1) >PDF available at: >http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf >Backup at: >http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/3610_01a.pdf > For a clear and detailed description of flight plans, fixes, and Air Traffic Control, see: 'Direct-To Requirements' by Gregory Dennis and >Emina Torlak at: http://sdg.lcs.mit.edu/atc/D2Requirements.htm > Absolutely NO executive-level input of ANY KIND is required for standard intercepts to be scrambled.
WHY DID BUSH’S STAFF NOT FOLLOW NORMAL PROCEDURES IN THE CASE OF A NATIONAL EMERGENCY ON 9-11? DID HE KNOW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN?
The UK Independent Newspaper has questioned how Bush, who claimed in two public appearances to have seen the first plane hit the first tower on television the morning of 9-11, before the 2nd tower got hit? The significance of this is that no one in the world saw that first tower get hit, at that time, on television. They also question why Bush continued to sit with elementary school students after the 2nd tower was hit and he was informed, "America is under attack." Standard procedure for such a situation is to whisk the President away, if not for his safety, for the safety of the students. Unless he knew something more than we did that morning. The Independent asks, "what television station was HE watching?"
Is it Outrageous to Consider that Elements of a Nations' Government Could Committ Terror on It's Own People for Political Reasons?
- ABC News.com's May/2001 story resurfaces about how the US Joint Chiefs of Staff have in the past ACTUALLY DESIGNED a plan to committ domestic terror on Americans to whip them into a war hysteria, to support war efforts by the govt. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html
[The National Security Archive has a PDF version of the Operation Northwoods plan, which author James Bamford says "may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government." It can be found at the following URL:] http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/
After 9-11 Oddities:
Anthrax sent to top Democrat Daschle and to the U.S. media (NBC & The National Inquirer) had the effect of "uniting the nation behind the Bush Administration's war effort," and literally shutting down Congress in many ways.
Oddities exist when the anthrax issue is looked at closely: - New Science Journal says Anthrax sent to Daschle is NOT Russian or Iraqi, but likely US military strain.
- San Francisco Chronicle reports, the anthrax strain produced in US University is destroyed on ok of FBI (they had studied this for years, some at university question the timing of the destruction of those anthrax spores . . . right now of all times (?))
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? f=/chronicle/archive/2001/11/09/MN153227.DTL
Terror Anthrax Linked to Type Made by U.S. The powder used in the anthrax attacks is virtually indistinguishable from that produced by the United States military, according to federal scientists. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/03/national/03POWD.html?todaysheadlines
After 9-11 Administration Damage Control Efforts:
Fire Engineering Magazine assails the incredible speed that the evidence in the WTC collapse is being destroyed. Never in the history of fire investigations has evidence been destroyed this fast before exhaustive investigations can be completed. ["We must try to find out why the twin towers fell" By James Quintiere,Baltimore Sun 1/3/01 http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal- op.towers03jan03.story -WTC "INVESTIGATION"?: A CALL TO ACTION from Fire Engineering Magazine] - - Bush Admin. declares they will "seal the records of presidents beginning with Father Bush/Reagans (an act never before done in US presidential history)."
- "It is not a stretch to wonder if this White House is up to something that it doesn't want known 12 years from now or anytimethereafter. [A direct quote from the piece carried by Scripps Howard News Service, 11/5/2001. Re: Bush's sealing of presidential records for the first time in U.S. history]
- Bush & Cheney urge Senate Leader to "limit" inquiries into 9-11: Senate perplexed by this. Don't go there: Bush Asks Daschle to Limit Sept. 11 Probes Date: Wednesday, January 30 @ 10:09:24 EST WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush personally asked Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle Tuesday to limit the congressional investigation into the events of September 11, congressional and White House sources told CNN.
The request was made at a private meeting with congressional leaders Tuesday morning. Sources said Bush initiated the conversation. He asked that only the House and Senate intelligence committees look into the potential breakdowns among federal agencies that could have allowed the terrorist attacks to occur, rather than a broader inquiry that some lawmakers have proposed, the sources said.
Tuesday's discussion followed a rare call to Daschle from Vice President Dick Cheney last Friday to make the same request.
"The vice president expressed the concern that a review of what happened on September 11 would take resources and personnel away from the effort in the war on terrorism," Daschle told reporters.
But, Daschle said, he has not agreed to limit the investigation. "I acknowledged that concern, and it is for that reason that the Intelligence Committee is going to begin this effort, trying to limit the scope and the overall review of what happened," said Daschle, D-South Dakota. "But clearly, I think the American people are entitled to know what happened and why," he said.
Foreign Officials have powerful concerns over 9-11:
FORMER GERMAN CABINET MINISTER ATTACKS OFFICIAL BRAINWASHING ON SEPTEMBER 11 ISSUE [Source: Tagesspiegel, Berlin, Jan. 13] PARTIAL TRANSLATION
In a full-page interview with the Sunday edition (Jan. 13) of the Berlin Tagesspiegel daily, former German Minister of Technology, Andreas von Buelow, said he does not buy any of the official theories that have been presented to date, on the events of September 11.
Q: You seem so angry, really upset.
Von Buelow: I can explain what's bothering me: I see that after the horrifying attacks of Sept. 11, all political public opinion is being forced into a direction that I consider wrong.
Q: What do you mean by that?
Von Buelow: I wonder why many questions are not asked. Normally, with such a terrible thing, various leads and tracks appear that are then commented on, by the investigators, the media, the government: Is there something here or not? Are the explanations plausible? This time, this is not the case at all. It already began just hours after the attacks in New York and Washington and--
Q: In those hours, there was horror, and grief.
Von Buelow: Right, but actually it was astounding: There are 26 intelligence services in the U.S.A. with a budget of $30 billion--
Q: ...more than the German defense budget...
Von Buelow: --which were not able to prevent the attacks. In fact, they didn't even have an inkling they would happen. For 60 decisive minutes, the military and intelligence agencies let the fighter planes stay on the ground, 48 hours later, however, the FBI presented a list of suicide attackers. Within ten days, it emerged that seven of them were still alive.
Q: What, please?
Von Buelow: Yes, yes. And why did the FBI chief take no position regarding contradictions? Where the list came from, why it was false? If I were the chief investigator (state attorney) in such a case, I would regularly go to the public, and give information on which lead are valid and which not.
Q: That sounds like--
Von Buelow: --like assailants who, in their preparations, leave tracks behind them like a herd of stampeding elephants? They made payments with credit cards with their own names; they reported to their flight instructors with their own names. They left behind rented cars with flight manuals in Arabic for jumbo jets. They took with them, on their suicide trip, wills and farewell letters, which fall into the hands of the FBI, because they were stored in the wrong place and wrongly addressed. Clues were left like behind like in a child's game of hide-and-seek, which were to be followed!
There is also the theory of one British flight engineer: According to this, the steering of the planes was perhaps taken out of the pilots' hands, from outside. The Americans had developed a method in the 1970s, whereby they could rescue hijacked planes by intervening into the computer piloting [automatic pilot system]. This theory says, this technique was abused in this case. That's a theory....
Q: Which sounds really adventurous, and was never considered.
Von Buelow: You see! I do not accept this theory, but I find it worth considering. And what about the obscure stock transactions? In the week prior to the attacks, the amount of transactions in stocks in American Airlines, United Airlines, and insurance companies, increased 1,200%. It was for a value of $15 billion. Some people must have known something. Who?
Q: Why don't you speculate on who it might have been.
Von Buelow: With the help of the horrifying attacks, the Western mass democracies were subjected to brainwashing. The enemy image of anti-communism doesn't work any more; it is to be replaced by peoples of Islamic belief. They are accused of having given birth to suicidal terrorism.
Q: Brainwashing? That's a tough term.
Von Buelow: Yes? But the idea of the enemy image doesn't come from me. It comes from Zbigniew Brzezinski and Samuel Huntington, two policy-makers of American intelligence and foreign policy. Already in the middle of the 1990s, Huntingon believed, people in Europe and the U.S. needed someone they could hate-- this would strengthen their identification with their own society. And Brzezinski, the mad dog, as adviser to President Jimmy Carter, campaigned for the exclusive right of the U.S. to seize all the raw materials of the world, especially oil and gas.
Q: You mean, the events of Sept. 11--
Von Buelow: --fit perfectly in the concept of the armaments industry, the intelligence agencies, the whole military-industrial-academic complex. This is in fact conspicuous. The huge raw materials reserves of the former Soviet Union are now at their disposal, also the pipeline routes and--
Q: Erich Follach described that at length in Spiegel: ``It's a matter of military bases, drugs, oil and gas reserves.''
Von Buelow: I can state: the planning of the attacks was technically and organizationally a master achievement. To hijack four huge airplanes within a few minutes and within one hour, to drive them into their targets, with complicated flight maneuvers! This is unthinkable, without years-long support from secret apparatuses of the state and industry.
Q: You are a conspiracy theorist!
Von Buelow: Yeah, yeah. That's the ridicule heaped [on those raising these questions] by those who would prefer to follow the official, politically correct line. Even investigative journalists are fed propaganda and disinformation. Anyone who doubts that, doesn't have all his marbles! That is your accusation.
Q: Your career actually speaks against the idea that you are not in your right mind. You were already in the 1970s, state secretary in the Defense Ministry; in 1993 you were the SPD [Social Democratic Party] speaker in the Schalk-Golodkowski investigation committee--
Von Buelow: And it all began there! Until that time, I did not have any great knowledge of the work of intelligence agencies. And now we had to take note of a great discrepancy: We shed light on the dealings of the Stasi and other East bloc intelligence agencies in the field of economic criminality, but as soon as we wanted to know something about the activities of the BND [German intelligence agency] or the CIA, it was mercilessly blocked. No information, no cooperation, nothing! That's when I was first taken aback.
The Legacy: "On the surface, selling arms to a country that sponsors terrorism, of course, clearly, you'd have to argue it's wrong, but it's the exception sometimes that proves the rule."
- George Bush on Good Morning America. 01/28/87
"You f**king son of a bitch, I saw what you wrote. We're not going to forget this.",
- George W. Bush shouted at writer & editor Al Hunt, & his 6 yr old son in a restaurant - 1988 ....

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"OUR LIVES BEGIN TO END THE DAY WE BECOME SILENT ABOUT THINGS THAT MATTER" -- Martin Luther King
We may be witnessing the Nazification of our nation. --Toni Morrison, Nobel laureate in literature, January, 2002

1) Enron Investigation Petition http://www.petitiononline.com/ddc22/petition.html
2) 9/11 Investigation Petition http://www.petitiononline.com/11601TFS/petition.html >

- INSIDER TRADING PROFITS off of 9-11 were frenzied over by the US media when they thought it was Arab terrorists . . . but then the story mysteriously died. Until, the UK Independent reveals that it leads to a firm chaired by the 3rd highest man in the CIA (and stranger still is that $2.5 million of the "winnings" are still unclaimed (see below for URL to entire story). http://globalresearch.ca/articles/RUP110A.html . Info confirmed by Independent Newspaper in UK: http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=99402
- ABC News.com's May/2001 story resurfaces about how the US Joint Chiefs of Staff have in the past ACTUALLY DESIGNED a plan to committ domestic terror on Americans to whip them into a war hysteria, to support war efforts by the govt. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html
[The National Security Archive has a PDF version of the Operation Northwoods plan, which author James Bamford says "may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government." It can be found at the following URL:] http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/
- Strangely Anthrax is sent to (not the President, or Republicans) but to the top Democrat and to the media. A foriegn terrorist would probably want to "divide" the country, not unite the opposition and the media in the war effort. - New Science Journal says Anthrax sent to Daschle is NOT Russian or Iraqi, but likely US military strain.
- San Francisco Chronicle reports, the anthrax strain produced in US University is destroyed on ok of FBI (they had studied this for years, some at university question the timing of the destruction of those anthrax spores . . . right now of all times (?)) http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2001/11/09/MN153227.DTL
Terror Anthrax Linked to Type Made by U.S. The powder used in the anthrax attacks is virtually indistinguishable from that produced by the United States military, according to federal scientists. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/03/national/03POWD.html?todaysheadlines
- Bush Admin. declares they will "seal the records of presidents beginning with Father Bush/Reagans (an act never before done in US presidential history)." AND What bizarre timing. In the midst of a war and an economic disaster -- they find the time and "the desire" to seal the records of the Reagan/Bush admin, just as info is surfacing about Bush/Bin Laden connections from years back. (Details in Scripps-Howard News Service, appearing in Chico, CA paper on 11/5/2001)
“It is not a stretch to wonder if this White House is up to something that it doesn’t want known 12 years from now or anytime thereafter. [A direct quote from the piece carried by Scripps Howard News Service. Re: Bush’s sealing of presidential records for the first time in U.S. history]
"We must try to find out why the twin towers fell" By James Quintiere, Baltimore Sun 1/3/01 http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.towers03jan03.story WTC "INVESTIGATION"?: A CALL TO ACTION from Fire Engineering Magazine ..."There are many, many questions to be asked by us about the World Trade Center collapse and its implications on high-rise firefighting across the nation. Some questions are political, many are technical, others are philosophical. ..."you would think we would have the largest fire investigation in world history. You would be wrong. ..."We, the undersigned, call on FEMA to immediately impanel a "World Trade Center Disaster Review Panel" to coordinate a complete review of all aspects of the World Trade Center incident." http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=OnlineArticles&Su bSection=Display&PUBLICATION_ID=25&ARTICLE_ID=130026
FORMER GERMAN CABINET MINISTER ATTACKS OFFICIAL BRAINWASHING ON SEPTEMBER 11 ISSUE [Source: Tagesspiegel, Berlin, Jan. 13] PARTIAL TRANSLATION
In a full-page interview with the Sunday edition (Jan. 13) of the Berlin Tagesspiegel daily, former German Minister of Technology, Andreas von Buelow, said he does not buy any of the official theories that have been presented to date, on the events of September 11.
Q: You seem so angry, really upset.
Von Buelow: I can explain what's bothering me: I see that after the horrifying attacks of Sept. 11, all political public opinion is being forced into a direction that I consider wrong.
Q: What do you mean by that?
Von Buelow: I wonder why many questions are not asked. Normally, with such a terrible thing, various leads and tracks appear that are then commented on, by the investigators, the media, the government: Is there something here or not? Are the explanations plausible? This time, this is not the case at all. It already began just hours after the attacks in New York and Washington and--
Q: In those hours, there was horror, and grief.
Von Buelow: Right, but actually it was astounding: There are 26 intelligence services in the U.S.A. with a budget of $30 billion--
Q: ...more than the German defense budget...
Von Buelow: --which were not able to prevent the attacks. In fact, they didn't even have an inkling they would happen. For 60 decisive minutes, the military and intelligence agencies let the fighter planes stay on the ground, 48 hours later, however, the FBI presented a list of suicide attackers. Within ten days, it emerged that seven of them were still alive.
Q: What, please?
Von Buelow: Yes, yes. And why did the FBI chief take no position regarding contradictions? Where the list came from, why it was false?If I were the chief investigator (state attorney) in such a case, I would regularly go to the public, and give information on which leadsare valid and which not.
Q: That sounds like--
Von Buelow: --like assailants who, in their preparations, leave tracks behind them like a herd of stampeding elephants? They made payments with credit cards with their own names; they reported to their flight instructors with their own names. They left behind rented cars with flight manuals in Arabic for jumbo jets. They took with them, on their suicide trip, wills and farewell letters, which fall into the hands of the FBI, because they were stored in the wrong place and wrongly addressed. Clues were left like behind like in a child's game of hide-and-seek, which were to be followed!
There is also the theory of one British flight engineer: According to this, the steering of the planes was perhaps taken out ofthe pilots' hands, from outside. The Americans had developed a method in the 1970s, whereby they could rescue hijacked planes by intervening into the computer piloting [automatic pilot system]. This theory says, this technique was abusedin this case. That's a theory....
Q: Which sounds really adventurous, and was never considered.
Von Buelow: You see! I do not accept this theory, but I find it worth considering. And what about the obscure stock transactions? In theweek prior to the attacks, the amount of transactions in stocks in American Airlines, United Airlines, and insurance companies, increased 1,200%. It was for a value of $15 billion. Some people must have known something. Who?
Q: Why don't you speculate on who it might have been.
Von Buelow: With the help of the horrifying attacks, the Western mass democracies were subjected to brainwashing. The enemy image of anti-communism doesn't work any more; it is to be replaced by peoples of Islamic belief. They are accused of having given birth to suicidal terrorism.
Q: Brainwashing? That's a tough term.
Von Buelow: Yes? But the idea of the enemy image doesn't come from me. It comes from Zbigniew Brzezinski and Samuel Huntington, two policy-makers of American intelligence and foreign policy. Already in the middle of he 1990s, Huntingon believed, people in Europe and theU.S. needed someone they could hate-- this would strengthen their identification with their own society. And Brzezinski, the mad dog, as adviser to President Jimmy Carter, campaigned for the exclusive right of the U.S. to seize all the raw materials of the world, especiallyoil and gas.
Q: You mean, the events of Sept. 11--
Von Buelow: --fit perfectly in the concept of the armaments industry, the intelligence agencies, the whole military-industrial-academic complex. This is in fact conspicuous. The huge raw materials reserves of the former Soviet Union are now at their disposal, also the pipeline routes and--
Q: Erich Follach described that at length in Spiegel: ``It's amatter of military bases, drugs, oil and gas reserves.''
Von Buelow: I can state: the planning of the attacks was technically and organizationally a master achievement. To hijack four huge airplanes within a few minutes and within one hour, to drive them into their targets, with complicated flight maneuvers! This is unthinkable, without years-long support from secret apparatuses of the state and industry.
Q: You are a conspiracy theorist!
Von Buelow: Yeah, yeah. That's the ridicule heaped [on those raising these questions] by those who would prefer to follow the official, politically correct line. Even investigative journalists are fed propaganda and disinformation. Anyone who doubts that, doesn't have all his marbles! That is your accusation.
Q: Your career actually speaks against the idea that you are not in your right mind. You were already in the 1970s, state secretary in theDefense Ministry; in 1993 you were the SPD [Social Democratic Party] speaker in the Schalk-Golodkowski investigation committee--
Von Buelow: And it all began there! Until that time, I did not have any great knowledge of the work of intelligence agencies. And now we had to take note of a great discrepancy: We shed light on the dealings of the Stasi and other East bloc intelligence agencies in the field of economic criminality, but as soon as we wanted to know something about the activities of the BND [German intelligence agency] or the CIA, it was mercilessly blocked. No information, no cooperation, nothing! That's when I was first taken aback.
Not at war. ----- "On the surface, selling arms to a country that sponsors terrorism, of course, clearly, you'd have to argue it's wrong, but it's the exception sometimes that proves the rule." - George Bush on Good Morning America. 01/28/87
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-- Anonymous, February 07, 2002

Answers

Gosh aren't any of you guys going to comment??

-- Anonymous, February 07, 2002

I have to say I haven't commented because these comments don't deserve it. Heck, there isn't even a link to anything when you search "Andreas von Buelow" on the web.
I will say that e-mails have little weight with representatives. If you want to really count with your opinion intact, write to them or call them directly. Everything else is too easily corrupted and ignored.

-- Anonymous, February 07, 2002

You're right about the emails,Anne; they get too many to actually read is what I hear too. Phone calls,letters and faxes they are more apt to pay attention to, especially in large numbers.
Odd that you didnt find Andreas von Buelow's name on your search; google has about 13 of em, although many are not in English, which is not surprising.

-- Anonymous, February 08, 2002

kim, I can not comment because I can't wrap my mind around this. It is just too much.

-- Anonymous, February 08, 2002

I can't comment on it b/c I can't figure out how to read it.

-- Anonymous, February 08, 2002

As the button on my coat has said for the past five years: "Your silence will not protect you" Audre Lorde

-- Anonymous, February 09, 2002

Okay, I'll read it.

-- Anonymous, February 09, 2002

Okay, did it get printed twice?
It's really hard for me to read this. Is there a bullet point version?
As I understand it, the points seem to be:
1) Bin Laden was working with the CIA up until recently? (That hardly seems surprizing, as it seems that that agency is usually pretty pragmatic, in that whoever provides the means to the desired end is partnered with). We pretty much trained those folks when they were fighting the Soviets, at any rate. No surprize that there'd still be covert connections.
2) Oil and an oil pipeline through Afghanistan were objectives? (That doesn't seem hard to imagine. What is weird is why on earth we would have to *bomb* Afghanistan into submission to achieve this.)
3) Cheney, Bush, et al., have ties to oil, etc? (Yes, we know that.)
4) Money was made in airlines futures purchased prior to 09/11? The trail leads to ? (Intellectual laziness forces me to not get this part).
5) Protocols for the Trade Ctr fly-overs were not followed?
6) The President knew about the first Trade Ctr attack before it happened???? Because he was watching teevee with the school kids and mentioned seeing it before it happened?
7) Somehow Anthrax is tied to this?
8) (Cut to the chase.) The Administration is trying to control the investigation of the 09/11 events? (Not surprizing, as they are holding off on disclosing energy notes from last spring, etc. You never know what might inadvertently turn up.)
9) Enron stuff is related to 09/11? I didn't get that, other than not wanting to open cans of worms, no matter what brand of worms.
10)Is the real message supposed to be that there is some plot to terrorize US citizens by their own government?
What is this saying? There's so much stuff in here that I'm having a hard time connecting the dots. Or are these thoughts not supposed to roll up to a single conclusion?
(Personally, I just want to know where Cheney has been for the last few months.)
Earthmama, maybe you could share your perspective.

-- Anonymous, February 09, 2002

O.K. E.M..................so what is your take?? Or is this your take?? My husband and I have been discussing it extensively since you posted this. And, if in fact this is entirely true, what would be a good course of action???

-- Anonymous, February 09, 2002

Thanks Sheepish and Diane for opening up some discussion. Can't tell what Kim is thinking by her comment? ): I was beginning to lose hope that anyone on this forum has any interest in what is going on in our world!
I agree its hard to read, but it didnt transfer very well from my email, with all the links, which of course dont come out as direct links on this forum. And yup, there are redundancies, cuz some of it is clips from various foreign news sources, usually with links to the whole story, and they often repeat themselves.
I make no claims to any of this, but I sure as heck am not going to ignore it........I plan to read all the English language links, which takes time....and do my own research. Too bad Congress isnt doing the same. And as to MY take on it, this is how I understand it so far, so please add your own stuff as it becomes available, or submit contrary evidence to the benefit of all.
1)It wasnt just that the CIA was working with Bin Laden, it was that he was supposedly on a list of WANTED individuals, from about three years ago. On the surface we have been trying to apprehend him since about '97, but in reality, we have been meeting with him with no attempt at actual apprehension. This is of course in addition to the 40 some million dollars we gave to the Taliban just last spring.
2) My understanding of the theory is that on numerous occassions we requested permission to build a pipeline through Afghanistan, and they continually refused. We need this pipeline desperately in order to gain control of the mideast to continue our oil-based lifestyle and maintain world power. Bombing the crap out of them sends a message, and could be done with full support of the US populace, which is now whipped into a frenzy of hate against a common enemy, which has been defined by our government, and initiated by 9/11. Hitler did these kinds of things in Germany, killed his own people, destroyed buildings, and blamed it on those he wanted the Germans to blame, hate and fear.
3)Yes, lots of big time ties to oil, along with a large percentage of his cabinet.
4)I think the point was that we heard a little whisper about this a couple months ago, and the news media referred to an investigation of Bin Laden profitting from these tradings. Then the story was lost, and now these investigators from abroad are claiming that the REAL profiteers were tracked all the way to the number three guy at the CIA.
5)Yeah, the protocols for shooting down aircraft that came within 5 miles of the Twin Towers (among other vulnerable buildings) have been in place for years. Remember when Bush made a big announcement some weeks ago about his order to shoot down planes, even passenger planes, if a similar situation would occur? (I sure did, I thought it sounded nuts.........especially since he was trying at the same time to get people to fly again! :)) Anyway, he made it sound like this was a new idea, and in fact it seems to have been in place for quite some time, but was ignored jon 9/11, even though there were dozens of military planes at the ready and nearby.
6)They told it like this: he has reiterated his experience on the morning of 9/11 several times since,and what he said was that he was visiting with some school children when the first tower was hit, and apparently there was a television on in the room (? weird), and that he saw the first tower being hit. Well the fact apparently is that there was NO SUCH THING at the time, no footage of the first tower being hit, cuz there were no news crews focusing on something that did not happen yet. Then they mentioned that after the second tower was hit, which of course everybody saw, he continued to sit with the kids for some time, instead of being whisked away immediately like you would expect him to be, since he is the leader of this country.
7)I think the anthrax thing is that first of all, it is additional terrorism, in that terrorism's first intention is to fill the citizenry with fear, which helps mobilize patriotism, and secondly, it is curious that the strains found have been almost identical to the ones used and developed by the US military, not the ones grown by our "enemies". And also, the FBI has apparently just very recently ordered most of them destroyed.
8) Bush has asked Congress to limit their investigation of 9/11! That sounds crazy to me.......he said, or Cheney said........that it might take away resources from the war!! HUH??
9)I havent read about the Enron connections yet, but I would guess it had something to do with the oil connections, which are huge.
10)"Is the real message supposed to be that there is some plot to terrorize US citizens by their own government?"
Well, yeah, I guess that's the way I read it. Fascinating, no? But I dont know if there is supposed to be one conclusion, like you said, sheepish; its a lot of stuff to digest.

-- Anonymous, February 09, 2002

Oh, and one more thing. Does anyone find it interesting that with all our myriad agencies of intelligence gathering all over the world, that we are told no one had a clue that 9/11 was going to occur; and yet the media informed us within two days who the suicide terrorists were? And within days we were given details of many of their comings and goings over the past several years right here in the good US of A?

-- Anonymous, February 09, 2002

I saw where john posted this piece over on the Freedom forum and only Doreen commented. O.k...............so if after all the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed, we come up with one great big huge conspiracy, what part do the other world leaders that have lined their countries up behind us play?? Are the just dupped and bloody fools??? Part of the "master plan" for the New World Order??? Just wondering.........this topic is almost as intriguing to me as "what happened to us weirdo's from the 60's to make us such cynics?? LSD??

-- Anonymous, February 09, 2002

Gosh Diane, your question is one I often ask. What makes some of use question or doubt or be labeled a doomer and not the rest. Is it some internal brain chemistry or what? I would buy the LSD theory but I was a bit late for that whole scene. Go figure.
Kim

-- Anonymous, February 09, 2002

Okay Earthmama,
Kim is thinking she is married to a non-U.S. Citizen who is out of the country at this moment and for reasons most citizens don't understand I try not to say too much on the internet. For example since 9-11 the laws which protect your freedoms don't protect my families etc etc. I was just trying to provoke the conversation since no one said anything and I found it rather intriguing.
Kim

-- Anonymous, February 09, 2002

I dunno, Diane and Kim, some people are just insatiably inquisitive, and some people "dont wanna know". My mom is like that.......if you dont think or talk about it will go away.......right........I only dropped acid once! Honest!
As far as other nations/leaders go, maybe we would have to propose scenarios to answer that question on an individual basis. Like the western nations who live like we do would have the same motivation?
I wonder if maybe the binding value behind something like this could be the belief that capitalism is the only viable economic system, since it has seemingly worked so well for us, depending on how you view success of course, and that the continuance of it, by any means possible, is absolutely necessary. It would actually explain a lot of stuff the govt does, dontcha think?

-- Anonymous, February 09, 2002

Oh, I just found this:

ENRON – 9-11 CONNECTION !!
Before the American people (and the world) are led to mass war over this critical point in human history, DON’T YOU THINK THEY DESERVE A FEW ANSWERS ABOUT “HOW IT ALL HAPPENED?”
CONGRESSMAN, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE A FULL INQUIRY.
* The Enron Corp. did the feasability study on the oil pipeline that Bush Admin was negotiating with Taliban. According to the French reporter's new book the Bush Admin threatened the Taliban with a choice between "a carpet of gold . . . or a carpet of bombs." (meaning play ball with the pipeline or else.) [Bin Laden, The Forbidden Truth, Bin Laden, La Verite Interdite.]
* FBI Deputy Director O'Neill (who was killed in the WTC on 9-11) quit just before 9-11 over the Bush admin's obstruction of their terrorist investigations, because of what O'Neill called, "oil interests."
* Two Star General, Donald Kerrick, told the Washington Post, "Clinton's advisors met nearly weekly on how to stop Bin Laden and Al Qaida. I didn't detect that kind of focus from the Bush Administration."
Urls to the FAA and DOD standard "plane intercept" procedures ALL violated on 9-11, available upon request (findtruth40@hotmail.com). Many other disturbing facts like that the CIA station chief met in Dubai with Osama Bin Laden only 7 WEEKS before 9-11 (and did not arrest him at a time when he was on our most wanted list).
If Congress spent a year looking down Bill Clinton's pants and now doesn't look long and hard at THIS, there is something very rotten in Denmark (or Washington).
PLEASE form a full Congressional inquiry before you allow our children to fight, die, and kill in these endless wars. Cheney has a list of 40 nations to strike.

-- Anonymous, February 09, 2002

Thanks Kim, point taken.......believe me, I understand being quiet for similar reasons. You'll get braver when your kids are older, and even more so when they've left home, I'll wager. Sad state of affairs, dammit.

-- Anonymous, February 09, 2002

Earthmama,
I knew you of all the folks would understand. It is amazing how the laws that protect us, only protect some of us! I'm glad you started this conversation.
Kim

-- Anonymous, February 09, 2002

Thank you for sharing kim!!! Both you fears and that it isn't the LSD only :>). I really do frequently question what happened to me that I usually see things so differently than most people. I think that has been one of the really neat things about the internet.........seeing that there are others who question.
This roughly describes my experience of the world. Did anyone remember seeing "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" in the theater?? I traveled with a friend to a larger town and saw it in a rather large, crowded theater. There was a place where the character portrayed by Richard Dryfus was going really wacky and throwing dirt in the kitchen window and his wife was grabbing the kids and running. I was laughing so hard it was embarrassing to the person with me cause NO ONE ELSE was laughing. They were intimidated with the raw display of what appeared to be insanity and I could relate!!!
I have been invited to leave my country by Lesley Machas and others on the various forums because I am ashamed of many of the things we have done. Why should I care?? Why is it unpatriotic to believe that it is wrong to bomb the hell out of an impoverished country cause some jerk just MIGHT be there???
Why did the president of my country and the majority of his "boys" have huge holdings in Enron that they were made to "divest" themselves of after the election but Bush makes a point of pointing out that his mother-in-law lost money on her stock??? Why is it when you start asking questions do people bring up the kind of crap that Sissy did on john's thread on the Freedom forum? Holy war?? Axis of evil?? questions..........questions........questions, and no answers!!!

-- Anonymous, February 09, 2002

(groan). Guess I had better visit the Freedom forum and read whatever it is that's posted. Now I'm curious. Sheesh, I'm so middle of the road, the Cleavers could take a lesson from me. (yawn). But there is certainly nothing wrong in examining information. If we sincerely received any kind of education, hopefully we should be able to distinguish between b.s. and non-b.s. in any post....or any news release, for that matter. I use the term "we" rather loosely...
...and I wasn't the acid, it was Vietnam, and Watergate, and then the ball just kept rolling I guess....

-- Anonymous, February 09, 2002

Anne, you said, " Heck, there isn't even a link to anything when you search "Andreas von Buelow" on the web." You didn't use the right search engine. On google I found http://www.vaikuttava.net/article.php?sid=1703 which appears to be the complete article posted by Earthmama.
Similar news reporting can be found at http://austin.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=2491&group=w ebcast which also is layed out better, and easier to read, imo.
The morning I heard about 911, one of my dearest, most intelligent friends told me she thought the whole thing smelled of Bush. I told her she sounded more paranoid and cynical than she has often accused me of being. Oh, well. this doesn't reallys surprise me any more, after all I've been learning about Bush since 911. Unfortunately.

-- Anonymous, February 10, 2002

Earthmama, one of the links in your post took me to the following abc news site, with the following very scary article http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_01050 1.html
. By David Ruppe N E W Y O R K, May 1 — In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.
• The Science Behind Olympic Skiing • Sweets for the Sweet: Valentine's Day Desserts • Polygamy Porter Pushes ButtonsCode named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.
The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.
America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."
Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected to the agency, he notes.
The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.
"These were Joint Chiefs of Staff documents. The reason these were held secret for so long is the Joint Chiefs never wanted to give these up because they were so embarrassing," Bamford told ABCNEWS.com.
"The whole point of a democracy is to have leaders responding to the public will, and here this is the complete reverse, the military trying to trick the American people into a war that they want but that nobody else wants."
Gunning for War
The documents show "the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government," writes Bamford.
The Joint Chiefs even proposed using the potential death of astronaut John Glenn during the first attempt to put an American into orbit as a false pretext for war with Cuba, the documents show.
Should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, they wrote, "the objective is to provide irrevocable proof … that the fault lies with the Communists et all Cuba [sic]."Paraphrase by Mal: if the buildings should be destroyed, the objective is to provide irrevocable proof...that the fault lies with the “terrorists” et all Bin Laden {sic}
The plans were motivated by an intense desire among senior military leaders to depose Castro, who seized power in 1959 to become the first communist leader in the Western Hemisphere — only 90 miles from U.S. shores.
The earlier CIA-backed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba by Cuban exiles had been a disastrous failure, in which the military was not allowed to provide firepower.The military leaders now wanted a shot at it.
"The whole thing was so bizarre," says Bamford, noting public and international support would be needed for an invasion, but apparently neither the American public, nor the Cuban public, wanted to see U.S. troops deployed to drive out Castro.
Reflecting this, the U.S. plan called for establishing prolonged military — not democratic — control over the island nation after the invasion.
"That's what we're supposed to be freeing them from," Bamford says. "The only way we would have succeeded is by doing exactly what the Russians were doing all over the world, by imposing a government by tyranny, basically what we were accusing Castro himself of doing."
'Over the Edge'
The Joint Chiefs at the time were headed by Eisenhower appointee Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, who, with the signed plans in hand made a pitch to McNamara on March 13, 1962, recommending Operation Northwoods be run by the military.
Whether the Joint Chiefs' plans were rejected by McNamara in the meeting is not clear. But three days later, President Kennedy told Lemnitzer directly there was virtually no possibility of ever using overt force to take Cuba, Bamford reports. Within months, Lemnitzer would be denied another term as chairman and transferred to another job.
The secret plans came at a time when there was distrust in the military leadership about their civilian leadership, with leaders in the Kennedy administration viewed as too liberal, insufficiently experienced and soft on communism. At the same time, however, there real were concerns in American society about their military overstepping its bounds. Ahh, Kennedy just lacked Bush’s balls!
There were reports U.S. military leaders had encouraged their subordinates to vote conservative during the election.
And at least two popular books were published focusing on a right-wing military leadership pushing the limits against government policy of the day. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee published its own report on right-wing extremism in the military, warning a "considerable danger" in the "education and propaganda activities of military personnel" had been uncovered. The committee even called for an examination of any ties between Lemnitzer and right-wing groups. But Congress didn't get wind of Northwoods, says Bamford.
"Although no one in Congress could have known at the time," he writes, "Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs had quietly slipped over the edge."
Even after Lemnitzer was gone, he writes, the Joint Chiefs continued to plan "pretext" operations at least through 1963.
One idea was to create a war between Cuba and another Latin American country so that the United States could intervene. Another was to pay someone in the Castro government to attack U.S. forces at the Guantanamo naval base — an act, which Bamford notes, would have amounted to treason. And another was to fly low level U-2 flights over Cuba, with the intention of having one shot down as a pretext for a war.
"There really was a worry at the time about the military going off crazy and they did, but they never succeeded, but it wasn't for lack of trying," he says. Yeah, but BUSH would never “go off crazy” like that...
After 40 Years
Ironically, the documents came to light, says Bamford, in part because of the 1992 Oliver Stone film JFK, which examined the possibility of a conspiracy behind the assassination of President Kennedy.
As public interest in the assassination swelled after JFK's release, Congress passed a law designed to increase the public's access to government records related to the assassination.
The author says a friend on the board tipped him off to the documents.
Afraid of a congressional investigation, Lemnitzer had ordered all Joint Chiefs documents related to the Bay of Pigs destroyed, says Bamford. But somehow, these remained.
"The scary thing is none of this stuff comes out until 40 years after," says Bamford.

-- Anonymous, February 10, 2002

Google also suggested I try "Andreas von BULOW". Here's one site I found: http://www.salafipublications.com/sps/frm/viewmessages.cfm?F orum=17&Topic=83
Which says, among other things:
Andreas von Bulow served on the parliamentary commission which oversees the three branches of the German secret service while a member of the Bundestag (German parliament) from 1969 to 1994, and wrote a book titled Im Namen des Staates (In the Name of the State) on the criminal activities of secret services, including the CIA. Von Bulow told AFP that he believes that the Israeli intelligence service, Mossad, is behind the September 11 terror attacks. These attacks, he said, were carried out to turn public opinion against the Arabs, and boost military and security spending.

-- Anonymous, February 10, 2002

I'm worried this will be terribly formatted but if you are intersted you can just go to the site.

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12205
Bush Fuels Oil Conspiracy Theory Ted Rall, AlterNet January 10, 2002
Conspiracy theories are funny things: the wackier they sound, the more likely they are to be true. The fires of September were still burning when I, among others, suggested that the Bush regime's Afghan war might have more to do with old-fashioned oil politics than bringing the Evil Ones to justice.
Little did I know how quickly I would be proven right.
The Taliban government and their Al Qaeda "guests", after all, both were at best bit players in the terror biz. If the U.S. had really wanted to dispatch a significant number of jihad boys to meet the black-eyed virgins, it would have bombed Pakistan. Instead, the State Department inexplicably cozied up to this snake pit of anti-American extremists, choosing a nation led by a dictator who seized power in an illegal coup as our principal South Asian ally.
Moreover, the American military strategy in Afghanistan -- dropping bombs without inserting a significant number of ground troops -- all but guaranteed that Osama would live to kill another day.
So the Third Afghan War obviously isn't about fighting terrorism -- leading cynics to conclude that it must be about (yawwwwwwn!) oil. Bush and Cheney were both former oil company execs, after all, and National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice was corporate counsel at Chevron. Unbeknownst to most Americans, oil fields dot northern Afghanistan near its border with Turkmenistan. But the real jackpot is under the Caspian Sea. Between confirmed and estimated oil reserves, Kazakhstan is destined to become the world's largest oil-producing nation, and will one day dwarf even Saudi Arabia.
For the U.S., more production means cheaper oil, lower production and transportation costs, and higher corporate profits. The Kazakhs would be happy to work with us, but their oil is frustratingly landlocked. The shortest and cheapest of all possible pipelines would run from the Caspian to the Persian Gulf via Iran, but lingering American resentment from the 1980 hostage crisis has prevented U.S.-aligned Kazakhstan from getting its crude out to sea. Plan B is a 1996 Unocal scheme for a trans-Afghanistan pipeline that would debouche at the Arabian Sea port of Karachi.
As Zalmay Khalilzad co-wrote in The Washington Quarterly in its Winter 2000 issue, "Afghanistan could prove a valuable corridor for this [Caspian Sea] energy as well as for access to markets in Central Asia." Khalilzad has an unsavory past. As a State and Defense Department official during the Reagan years, Khalilzad helped supply the anti-Soviet mujihadeen with weapons they're now using to fight Americans. During the '90s he worked as Unocal's chief consultant on its Afghan pipeline scheme.
According to the French daily Libération, Khalilzad's $200 million project was originally conceived to run 830 miles from Dauletebad in southeastern Turkmenistan to Multan, Pakistan. Multan already possesses a link to Karachi. Partly on Khalilzad's advice, the Clinton Administration funded the Taliban through Pakistani intelligence, going so far as to pay the salaries of high-ranking Taliban officials. The goal: a strong, stable authoritarian regime in Kabul to ensure the safety of Unocal's precious oil.
In 1998, after Taliban "guest" Osama bin Laden bombed two American embassies in east Africa, Unocal shelved the plan. Chief consultant Khalilzad moved on to the Rand Corporation think tank. Considering the Taliban irredeemably unreliable, Clinton withdrew U.S. support. But as the newly-minted cliché goes, everything changed after 9-11. Now the Taliban are gone, replaced with a U.S.-installed interim government.
Rising energy prices helped push the economy into recession; perhaps 90-cent gas will work where interest rate cuts failed. Once again, the pipeline plan is hot.
Did Bush exploit the Sept. 11 attacks to justify a Central Asian oil grab? The answer seems clear. On Dec. 31, Bush appointed his special envoy to Afghanistan: Zalmay Khalilzad. "This is a moment of opportunity for Afghanistan," the former Unocal employee commented upon arrival in Kabul Jan. 5. You bet it is: Pakistan's Frontier Post reports that U.S. ambassador Wendy Chamberlain met in October with Pakistan's oil minister to discuss reviving the Unocal project.
And a front-page story in the Jan. 9 New York Times reveals that "the United States is preparing a military presence in Central Asia that could last for years," including a building permanent air base in the Kyrgyz Republic, formerly part of the Soviet Union. (The Bushies say that they just want to keep an eye on postwar Afghanistan, but few students of the region buy the official story.)
Many industry experts consider Unocal's revived Afghan adventure fatally flawed and expect the U.S. to ultimately wise up and pursue an Iran deal. But thus far the Bushies have given the conspiracy theorists a lot to think about.

-- Anonymous, February 10, 2002

Well, I see Kim's last post positing a theory which I more or less see as "tactical" and not "conspiratorial", I guess. (Conspiracy theory to me is more along the lines of saying the administration took out the towers to take our freedoms away, etc).
This is just (BIG) business as usual...
...just my $.02, and btw, my comments shouldn't be read as though I don't think these things are important.

-- Anonymous, February 10, 2002

I guess I'm still digesting and I gotta say I'm feeling a bit nauseus. What a sick world!
I don't know what to make of all of it. I guess I wouldn't put it past the power hungry and greedy but what can we do about it except DEMAND CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM!! As far as I can tell its the only way we the people have even a chance of getting our voices heard.

-- Anonymous, February 10, 2002

EM, I pretty much decided long time ago that it is one big game that is way over my head. I like what Diane said about not knowing why her brain thinks completley different from everyones around her. Yep, know that feeling. But ya know what, yah it's one big game, about power and money but hey the dice are going to fall and the way that they are soppose to fall is the way that they are soppose to fall. I had a dream not too long ago, I was working in a restarant (done that before) there was a huge storm outside, so windy that when someone came in it blew me up against the wall from across the room. Inside the restaurant everyone was fine, and I was waiting on them. I sorta took that as a sign, that things are going to be getting pretty windy outside and that I would be aware of it, and I would feel it from time to time, but my job is to keep on working, keep on tending to what needs tended in my own little restaurant of life.
Yah, I think President Bush is a pawn in this game, no more, no less, but then are we not all led by the stars to full fill the destiny that we came to full fill.
Love Ya TRen

-- Anonymous, February 10, 2002

way cool, joj and tren showing up on the same post (been wondering where you both were) Nothing further to add at this point, just wanted to smile at tren and joj :>)

-- Anonymous, February 11, 2002

I'm curious if some of those shell corporations that Enron created were actually something else...no wonder the execs wanted to take the Fifth Dimension!
Interesting. Daniel Schorr said on NPR today that it could be interesting if in fact Enron, becomes the biggest "lobby" for campaign finance reform. Ironic, indeed. Probably another thread.
And hi, Tren and JOJ, too.

-- Anonymous, February 11, 2002

Funny you should mention that sheepish---about Enron making the case for campaign finance reform. I just heard the same story on NPR and it seems the republican house is soon to pass their own version of McCain/Feingold, the Sheas/Meehan?. They figured they'd better do something or they'd get ousted en masse in the next election cycle.
As to those secret partnerships I wonder about the same thing but I'm just guessing they'd find a Bush name or two, maybe Cheney and Jim Baker too. I understand there's two of those partnerships that were VERY hush, hush. Makes you wonder.

-- Anonymous, February 11, 2002

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