If you paranoid types are right (about chemtrails), I'm gonna be embarassed!greenspun.com : LUSENET : Freedom! self reliance : One Thread
Here's an interesting article I found about global warming, and various methods to prevent it, including proposals to partially block incoming sunshine. It's truly the first hint that there may be something to chemtrails. Not that I'm convinced that the claims of diabolical chemtrails is true, but it's an interesting article.
-- joj (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 31, 2002
....and the best way to keep people from objecting to experimenting with the atmosphere is to not tell them about it. If no one knows where those freak deadly storms came from, they can blame it on "act of God" and not get sued.
Atmoshperic and ocean seeding was in research and developement way back in the early 70s. They've been messing with the Pacific Ocean for decades and this is why El Nino has been a very common phenomenon more often than not.
Let's face it, when marlins are being caught off Cape Flattery, and pelicans and puffins are roosting side by side, something is obviously up. When we see an odd jet leave a chemtrail on a day no other aircraft are making contrails, then NOAA sends up three balloons and the UW research plane is flying around them, it is obvious something is up.
Is it sinister? It has the potential to be. Having to inhale particles of any substance is not healthy. Who is to keep someone from dumping a small bag of anthrax spores into the vat of barium dust on the jet applicator before it is spread in the air over the mid west? Already, we know that various viruses come in from Asia on tropical storms so it isn't much of a stretch to see biohazzard can be atmospherically seeded.
Keep researching, Joe, the technology is here as are the men who seek power an control over all things.
-- Laura (Ladybugwrangler@hotmail.com), January 31, 2002.
I find myself wondering about this heatwave we have had for the last week.
-- Jay Blair in N. AL (email@example.com), January 31, 2002.
Admittedly, I am not convinced of the whole chemtrails thing. However, I wouldn't put it past the Government. Though I see no convincing evidence of such sinister goings on, I have little doubt that the Govt. is certainly CAPABLE of committing such foul deeds.
Keeping watching for new developments though. Remember, when you are the target of a WELL-PLANNED conspiracy, rumors may be all the warning you'll get.......
-- Nexar (Arax7@mvn.net), January 31, 2002.
If y'all would just spend some time looking up at the sky on a regular basis, you would soon find that there is something going on up there. I don't know what, but I do know that chemtrails exist. I have seen a plane leaving a regular contrail fly right through chemtrails. My husband happened to be in the right place at the right time and saw a plane leaving our local airport that had tanks (not normal engines) underneath the wings. As he watched it climb into the air he saw it start spraying chemtrails. But, honestly, it doesn't matter whether you believe it or not.
-- Deena in GA (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 31, 2002.
Sure don't matter. What the heck are you gonna do, stop 'em?
We heard geese flying tonight, over the Mid-Atlantic, and saws Robins in our cherry tree.
Can these birds relate to it all?
-- Rick (WV) (Rick_122@hotmail.com), February 01, 2002.
I saw chemtrails yesterday, but not today. The upper air appeared to be exceptionally humid, from my perspective. I'd guess about 87.52% relative humidity. But you don't have to believe me!
There were little birds in the manzanita, too. I think they were bush tits.
Elk tracks all OVER the place today; they seem singularly unimpressed by chemtrails, though they DID seem to eat more of my neighbors' lawn than I would have expected.
(please--this was supposed to be humore--take no offense)
-- joj (email@example.com), February 01, 2002.
I very much doubt that there is a widespread conspiracy involving chemtrails. Not because I think humans would never stoop to such deeds but because I doubt the logistics of it all.
Am I to believe that young US airmen have been flying these tankers for the last 20 years or so knowingly poisoning their own hometowns and parents' farms and NOT ONE of them has spilled the beans? Or am I to believe that those involved are black-hatted agents of the UN?
Where is all the 'stuff' being made? Does no one in the factories know whats going on? Are they all so true to the company that they won't sell a story to the media?
If the object is to shield the world from sunlight why is the activity intensified during winter? Why do they spray the Northern Hemisphere when then air is so much clearer in the south?
Why do they fly such haphazard patterns during 'operations', would any homesteader on this forum plough his field by driving around in overlapping circles or in a rough cross-hatch pattern?
Just my thoughts but as I wrote elswhere I don't believe in Santa Clause either despite all the evidence available.
-- john hill (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 01, 2002.
Keep track of the next several chemtrails that you notice, compare it to the flu, and other illnesses in your area. Also, someone of Cs said that a large number of people in that particular area had nosebleeds all at the same time. This person attributed them to the chemtrils. I've got a friend that has some intresting info on the subject, I'll see if I can locate her.
-- Cindy (SE. IN) (email@example.com), February 01, 2002.
John, the answers to your question lie in a huge military industrial complex working for the puppetmasters....There is info out there, but you don't want to accept it. Not all of it is something you should just believe either.
Joj, keep looking and noticing all of the atmospheric conditions, you will see enough inconsistencies to see that they aren't simply natural condensation.
As to what we can do about it, most likely we can't get them with a twelve guage, so that's out;0. Just ask tons of questions and point them out to people. The mailman was a bit taken aback when I showed them to him. Keep your system clean. That's all I know to really do about it.
-- Doreen (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 01, 2002.
"Am I to believe that young US airmen have been flying these tankers for the last 20 years or so knowingly poisoning their own hometowns and parents' farms and NOT ONE of them has spilled the beans?"
Why would they be truthful to the pilots if they lie about and to every body and everything else? Pilots believe they are simply doing NOAA research missions, or "practice warfare runs." they would never tell a mere pilot if their was anything wrong with the payload. Besides, they rarely have personel based close to their own hometowns. Military does not like the emotion factor.
Remember Vietnam? They certainly needed a more economical way to spray Agent Orange and napalm. Our small town is the target of mock bomb runs all the time by bombers from McChord Air force Base. They print the mock damage and kill in the local paper.
-- Laura (Ladybugwrangler@hotmail.com), February 01, 2002.
Just list me as an 'un-convinced', at least until I see some proof but meanwhile goodies in my stocking are not proof of Santa Clause.
-- john hill (email@example.com), February 01, 2002.
Cindy, I see chemtrails pretty much all year here. I suspect that if I were to go look outside next time it's not totally overcast (about one day in ten here), I'd see chemtrails. I also predict that if I were to ask the health department or my own doctor if lots of people are complaining of flu right now, the answer would be affirmative. I don't believe one causes the other. For one thing, there were abundant chemtrails all last summer, and I didn't hear one person complain about all the flu cases.
Another question: if these alleged chemtrails cause nosebleed, why don't I know anyone with that problem here, what with all the chemtrails we have? Are we Orgygunians being sprayed with something to give us flu, while this person on C (whatever that is) getting sprayed with nose bleed germs?
Doreen, I would never, with a straight face, point those things out to someone, other than our local anti government paranoid types, and that group has already pointed them out to me! (I'd be embarassed). Honestly, I'm being open minded about this, I think, but I truly can't see anything unnatural about them that my own personal theory seems to fit with better than all this chem trail business. But I'll keep looking and listening. Maybe someone will convince me yet!
John, I don't get goodies in my stocking. Is that proof that there is NO Santa Claus, do ya think? :)
-- joj (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 01, 2002.
I have to agree with JOJ and John here..folks all get the flu when they get the flu...aboriginies used to believe illness was caused by someone in the tribe annoying the gods of wind sun and water..actually I have to take it a step further and confess I don't care if there are "chemtrails" anyway..used to work with a guy in the 60s (he was an inpatient in the mental hospital) who swore that the tinfoil hat he wore was keeping the government from reading his thoughts..this all sounds somehow familiar to me. I am not laughing at you guys who believe, just saying that for me, life is way too short for me to be looking up at the sky for things over which I have zero control....now give me a good fight with a politician anyday...I'll leave the conspiracy theories to you all.
-- lesley (email@example.com), February 01, 2002.
Joj, no it just means you have been a naughty boy. :)
-- john hill (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 02, 2002.
Here in S.E. Okla. I see Chemtrails sometimes for 48 hrs. They NEVER let us go more than 3 days in between sprayings. When they spray u can bet I will feel the sickness comeing on. I have nearly dies so many times I can't count them all. I just saved a girlfriend last week. This crap is bad, & I hope who's spraying us burns in hell.Has anyone every hear of pilot-less airplanes?? Surpose be a show on channel- 11 Tue. Jan.7th. 6-7 pm time.. Mint should check your time zones. R*
-- Radie Beard (Coolrb40@yahoo.com), January 07, 2003.
Uh, Mr. Beard, how can you tell that you're getting sick when they spray? ("When they spray u can bet I will feel the sickness comeing on.") If "they" are really spraying you more often than every three days, isn't it a bit hard to tell? How long do you feel sick after the spraying stops? What do you suppose the gestation period is for whatever heinous illness "they" are infecting you with?
-- jumpoff joe (email@example.com), January 14, 2003.