Orphaned Pyrs need help!

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> DixieSpirits@aol.com wrote: > Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:50:46 EST > Subject: [goatslivestockdogs] Urgent-Please Help > > Hi Everyone, I have a desperate situation here in Georgia. Hopefully someone near me can help. I have a litter of seven Great Pyrenees puppies. They are 6 days old and are now without a mother to feed them. The brood bitch got out of my fence tonight and was hit by a car. I cannot get these puppies to drink the goat milk and I do not know how to tube feed them. These pups are pure bred and AKC registered and I had big hopes for this litter because it was to be the last litter of my oldest brood bitch before we retired her. Is there anyone on this list that lives near me that has a bitch that can nurse these puppies. I would be willing to pay you $100 per puppy if you could help me. I can be reached online most of the time or you can call me at (706)776-1239. My email address is DixieSpirits@aol.com. Please feel free to crosspost this message to other lists that you are on in the hopes of helping me to find someone that can help. > > Thanks, > Tara Jones > Dixie Spirits Kennel > AKC registered Saint Bernards and Great Pyrenees

-- Lisbeth Bishop (lkb1959@iowatelecom.net), January 14, 2002

Answers

Lisbeth is it possible that you have an animal shelter near you that has a dog with nursing pups? Perhaps they would loan you one that would take the pups. Sorry for your loss.

-- BeLinda Adams (abar@lcc.net), January 14, 2002.

Please see post below on orphaned pups, same one.

-- Kate henderson (kate@sheepyvalley.com), January 15, 2002.

I used to raise small dogs. They may not be eating the milk because it's not warm enough. If the milk gets cool while they are eating they will stop. If they really aren't eating at all and you're desparate to get some milk into them, I would try an eye dropper (I have little dogs and have done it on kittens and rabbits as well) or maybe you can adapt a turkey baster for the larger ones. You have to make sure you keep pushing the milk even though they don't want anymore. The sides of their stomachs will be swelled out. That doesn't mean they ate enough. It probably means that it's time to pee or poop or they have some air in their belly from drinking the milk. You can rub their belly to relieve some of the gas. I would suggest that you rub the genital area with stokes away from the body toward the tail. Make sure the item you're rubbing with causes enough friction to make them go and go they will. Be ready with alot of paper to wipe it away. Give that puppy a break and go to another one and come back to it until it's sides are puffed out. You have at least two weeks of H--L til eyes and ears open. If I were closer, I'd split the litter with you and hand raise the other half for you. I know what it's like to lose the last bitch of a line and not have a puppy to continue your line. Mine died in November so I know what you're going through. It makes the puppies even more important to keep alive. If I can help in any way, please feel free to e-mail me.

-- Sheryl in NJ (all295@aol.com), January 15, 2002.

My friend have nursed day old orphaned kittens so you can do this. We used syringes minus the needle of course. Don't feen too fast or they can asparate the milk. Vets do have cat and dog milk replacer, it is expensive but goat milk should work too. Don't forget to stimulate their bowels after eating. The mother does this by licking their rearends. I don't reccommend you do that but a warm wet wash cloth works well. Rub their butts with it in a circular motion (gentlely) to help them to void. Feed the whole litter them begin the bowel stimulation. My kids were always good at helping with feedings, friends also like to help. If you can get those little bottles or even a regular baby bottle with a small enough nipple that may help too. Good luck and keep us informed. You might want to see if there is a wildlife rehab. near you they may be able to help with info. Call the local DNR for names.

-- Susan northern MN (nanaboo@paulbynyan.net), January 15, 2002.

We are currently feeding a pup less than a week old that the mother refused to feed. This is the procedure, and I am not sure it will help you, but hope it will.

Get a rubber tube from your vet, or improvise with anything in case of an emergency. Connect it to a syringe. Measure from the pups mouth to the last rib, and that is how far the tube needs to enter into the pup. Put a marking on the tube so you be sure to thread it in this far.

Next, you can use a supplemental milk, available at your pet store, or in a pinch, use warm water and honey. The warm water and honey will not help the pups grow, only prevent dehydration till you can get some other feed. If you have a scale, weigh the pups. If they weigh 10oz they should get 10cc of the milk. If they weigh 14 oz they should get 14cc of the milk. You can do the math, and figure out how much they should get. Give this amount every 5 to 6 hours.

Now, for the tube feeding. Let the pups swallow the tube as you gently thread it down the throat. If there is any resistance, stop and retry. Do not force it, and do not expel the liquid before you reach the mark that you put on the tube. You may need to lubricate the tube with water or veggie oil before you start. If you are able to get the tube into the pups gut down to the marking with no resistance, then slowly expel the milk. When done, pull out the tube. This sounds complicated, but the entire process takes less than 5 minutes per pup. If you get the tube in the wrong place, you will kill the pup, so be careful not to force the tube. It should go down rather easily once past his gagger.

Hope this helps

Blessings Joy

-- Joy (bigredbarn@myexcel.com), January 15, 2002.



I have heard that you know the tube is in the right place because there is NOT air coming in and out.

-- Terri (hooperterri@prodigy.net), January 15, 2002.

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