New canon lenses DO

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Supposedly Canon of Germany has announced 2 more new DO lenses: 1.500 F2.8 IS DO 2.200-400 F4 IS DO, I don't see a need for this lens with the 3 other 400mm lenses, plus I had heard they were working on a 200-600. Info found at www.eosseries.ifrance.com/eosseries/en/eos_news.html

-- Rob Olling (robertolling@msn.com), December 17, 2001

Answers

Yes...well....

Daniel Rocha's site is a hothouse of rumour, and very rarely reliable. Wait to hear it a few other places (like from Canon themselves) before you believe it. Canon play their cards close to their chest, so wait for whatever they have to say for themselves. I for one am not going to hold my breath...

-- Isaac Sibson (isibson@hotmail.com), December 17, 2001.


sweet. maybe they will soon make a 300mm IS DO that i can afford...

-- Jeff Nakayama (moonduck22@hotmail.com), December 17, 2001.

Gee, an EF 500 2.8 IS DO USM has to be a joke. It would be a Canon cannon. An optical bazooka. A torpedo with spectacles. Plus, you'll have to sell your house, wife and kids to afford one (probably $89,000 list), and lift weights for a few years just to carry it home.

-- Puppy Face (doggieface@aol.com), December 18, 2001.

Well, that's the POINT of DO....it wouldn't be AS big and heavy as a "normal" 500 F2.8, nor as expensive. Like I say though, I'll wait for Canon to say so....

-- Isaac Sibson (isibson@hotmail.com), December 18, 2001.

Hey Isaac, when you come up with your own site and update the information on a almost daily basis along with translating it, not to mention constanly searching for the information to share, then you can talk. Daniel's site is perfectly fine, he lists sources if they are credable, and if there is not consider it a rumor if you wish. Today he put up a conon publication on PDF in German that substantiates this "RUMOR". Rumor or not I get information from his site I would not get otherwise.

-- Rob Olling (robertolling@msn.com), December 18, 2001.


My point was not to say that Daniel does not work hard at his site, but rather that much of the information that is posted is spurious, and it is usually possible within a day or so to read the news at an official canon site, or, if not, it may not be true. A few gems from his news page:

17-35 F2.8L IS Canon Pro Digital SLR (what turned out to be the 1D) to use PB-E2 (I mean REALLY...come on!!)

Even Daniel himself says that the information may not be correct, and Canon's habit of playing their cards close to their chest does make such a site difficult to run.

As it is, the linked file on his site makes NO mention of the 500 F2.8 DO nor a 200-400 F4 DO.

It seems to me that these are likely enough lenses to attempt to create with DO technology, but I, for one, will wait until Canon say so before I get all excited and start to save my pennies.

-- Isaac Sibson (isibson@hotmail.com), December 18, 2001.


Given the credible performance of the 400 DO IS as seen at

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/400-do.htm

so far it looks like the 400 DO IS and the rumored 200-600 f/4 and 500 2.8 DO IS lenses will be powerful and useful tools. If a long lens is needed and size and weight are at a premium they will present attractive capabilities. But at an attractive price?

We can hope that diffusion of the new technology will lower prices; or ... maybe the DO lenses will remain at a premium and Canon will lower prices on its conventional L IS long lenses. ...Tee hee!

fwiw: I, too, like the rumors on the EOS series site; harmless fun as long as not taken too seriously.

-- Rod (rod.nygaard@boeing.com), December 18, 2001.


I do not know who had been dreaming...

but the german CPS Service mentioned in its current issue #18 that "Canon engineers are currently working on 500 F2.8 IS DO and 200-400 F4 IS DO lenses"

Strangely enough this paragraph was shortened yesterday to ".... this new technology will be used in other future EF lenses too".

A highly motivated eager employee??

You can download it here (only in german):

http://cps.twmd.de/profile/index.html

Sandra

-- Sandra Schänzer (SSchaenzer@web.de), December 19, 2001.


Isaac,you are very sharp. I was waiting for that 17-35 IS comment, at least I was thinking it my self. All in all I am happy with Daniel's site and if you will look close enough on most informative sites you will find a similar disclaimer. I did not open the german pdf file. Per the rumor of the 200-600 DO I believe Daniel announced it months ago, still don't know if its true, but gives me something to look for. I waited for the 9-12 months from the origional canon technology announcment, I spoke with canon reps. and customer service many times, and their repedid response was " Contact a local dealer", Canon is worthless as far as thier notification goes. The lens is now out and has canon made no real announcements as to the flare probles correction or maybe why a $8900 lens that came out afer the 70-200 doesn't have the 3 stop IS compensation or Tripod mode. As far as sherpness goes the lominious landscape site says very good and Daniel's site said something about another test that quotes it same as the 300f4 IS which sharpness could be better. I had my heart set on that little lens, I'm just miffed a little that I can't afford it.

-- Rob Olling (robertolling@msn.com), December 19, 2001.

Can someone confirm the comments about IS above? The following link to specs only claims two stops for IS, but does say the tripod mode works in the same manner as the 300 2.8 L IS lens.

http://www.steves-digicams.com/pdf/canon_400do_specs.pdf

So it would appear to have tripod-capable IS but not the improved 3 stop capability that recently came out with the 70-200 2.8L IS lens. Puzzling that the full latest greatest IS package would not be on the 400 DO IS lens (especially for the price!)

-- Rod (rod.nygaard@boeing.com), December 19, 2001.



All I could find was a description stating it gave 2 stop compensation, and had 2 IS modes (static subject,panning). So I would guess Static is Tripod mode, my mistake. I could not find anything at Canon site, I'm blind.-----I did notice that www.techphoto.org is now also spreading this rumor of these two new lenses from Daniel's site, probably because of this thread.

-- Rob Olling (robertolling@msn.com), December 19, 2001.

Thanks. I didn't mean to give you a hard time, just interested in what this lens can do. (Just being a technophile I guess: at its current price point I'm not going to rush out and buy one.)

-- Rod (rod.nygaard@boeing.com), December 19, 2001.

Thanks. I didn't mean to give you a hard time, merely interested in what this lens can do. (Just being a technophile I guess: at its current price point I'm not going to rush out and buy one.)

-- Rod_ (rod.nygaard@boeing.com), December 19, 2001.

The static subject and panning mode IS has nothing to do with tripod mode. They are, as in the name, to do with the subject...if it is moving, you use IS mode 2, if not, you use IS mode 1. If you attempt to use IS mode 1 on a moving subject it will blur the subject. The advantage of IS mode 1 is that the viewfinder image is more steady than mode 2. IS mode 2 works on static subjects. The tripod mode is independant of this setting (although presumably you'd only use mode 1 on a tripod...Not being a tripod user, I wouldn't know). The tripod mode auto-senses when the lens is being used on a tripod, and adjusts accordingly. The IS on the 400 DO is the 2-stop, tripod- moded IS, as found on the Great White Lenses (of which I guess the 400 DO is one now).

There are four distinct sets of IS systems:

1. Single-mode: 28-135 IS and 75-300 IS. These lenses do not have the panning mode.

2. Dual-mode, 2 stop: 100-400IS and 300 F4L IS. These lenses have both modes, with a 2 stop gain.

3. Dual-mode with tripod, 2 stop: Great White Lenses (600 F4L IS, 500 F4L IS, 400 F2.8L IS, 400 F4 DO IS, 300 F2.8L IS).

4. Dual-mode with tripod, 3 stop: 70-200 F2.8L IS.

To add to previous comments, it was purely my point that these ARE rumours, and should not be taken as gospel truth and get all excited over. In the light of what has surfaced (ie the changed "profile"), it would seem that someone at Canon slipped up, and that these two lenses might well be in the works. Predictably enough though, I'm going to say "wait and see".

Not that I've got the money to do anything else....

-- Isaac Sibson (isibson@hotmail.com), December 21, 2001.


As far as IS goes,heard on the 100-400 or 300 lens that its two IS modes were 1 for use on monopod(1 axis IS) and 2 for hand held (both axis), I'll need to go to Canon's site again to see their explanation. Thanks for the info Isaac! As far as Daniel's site goes, yes we are clear,no need to beat this dead cat any longer. Since I don't want to afford the 400/F4, I'm thinking about the new 70-200 IS even though I wanted super telephoto for wildlife. I notice that Bob also posted this canon release topic on the other board.

-- Rob Olling (robertolling@msn.com), December 22, 2001.


I can assure you, owning a 300 F4L IS, that both modes are for hand- held and monopod use, with the subject movements as mentioned above. Mode 2 will "lock out" one axis, if it detects that you're panning in that direction. This isn't a particularly accurate explanation, because it doesn't actually lock an axis out, it will only respond to shake perpendicular to your pan direction, ie it will work if you pan diagonally. The 100-400 is exactly the same (I've used one of those also). However, Mode 2 WILL work for a stationary subject, and stabilise both axes if it does not detect a panning motion, thus making it the best choice for erratically moving subjects, which might be still one moment, and moving the next.

-- Isaac Sibson (isibson@hotmail.com), December 22, 2001.

Guys and Gals, You can find more information on these new Lenses, plus a future 24-105mm f/2.8 IS Canon zoom, on Chasseur D'Images' website - (www.photim.com). But You have to read french. Bonne lecture!

-- Artur Kozlowski (arturek@sympatico.ca), February 02, 2002.

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