Fat Barthez

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The laws state quite clearly:

"Cautionable Offences A player is cautioned and shown the yellow card if he commits any of the following seven offences: 1. is guilty of unsporting behaviour

4. delays the restart of play"

So can someone tell me why our fat, bald French friend was not booked for his performance at the penalty on Saturday?

-- Anonymous, November 20, 2001

Answers

Absolute Pillock

-- Anonymous, November 20, 2001

reasons: 1) Man U player 2) game at Old T 3) it was "duh so?" as the ref

-- Anonymous, November 20, 2001

Or why the goal wasn't allowed to stand? The ref did blow the whistle...oh...Geordie's got a point.

-- Anonymous, November 20, 2001

Simple really Jacko - an incompetant Referee.

D'Urso is an accepted bone-head, but I'm increasingly appalled at the way the Referees take liberties with the Laws of the Game. A perhaps minor situation that illustrates this is the way Referees frequently decide entirely 'on the hoof' how a game should be re-started after a player has had treatment for an injury, with complete disregard for the written Laws.

-- Anonymous, November 20, 2001


I thought that piece of 'gamesmanship'from Barthez was disgusting. he is a prize tosser. Also not a great keeper and Feguson knows it.

-- Anonymous, November 21, 2001


Jacko...just HOW the feck was Barthez delaying the start of play when we were at a dead ball situation? He was rightfully cleaning his boots...the whistle hadn't bee blown. Don't be so hypocritical...penalties and penalty taking...it's ALWAYS been mindgames!

You failed to mention the sportsman-like behaviour of Izzet for taking a penalty without a keeper in the net...think of that before your dislike of United spills over to here as usual :-)

Next!

-- Anonymous, November 21, 2001


Lynda....your are allolwed your opinions on whethere you think Barthez is shit or not...but your view that his gamesmanship was disgusting makes you a hypocrit I'd say....

Every time you've jeered and screamed at an opposition penalty taker you are doing the same as any keeper that moves, wobbles, bends or cleans his boots.

Geordies....knowledgable footballing gurus?...not all of 'em obviously.

PS...Daft Yank birds and birds who support Port Vale don't count. Either do birds who used to support Villa.,

-- Anonymous, November 21, 2001


See you're on fine form LR.

-- Anonymous, November 21, 2001

Hey..t/e....imagine had the scousers won last night and we'd have lost...you would have seen FORM then !!! :-)

-- Anonymous, November 21, 2001

I didn't see the incident in "real time" so don't know how long M. Barthez had to clean his boots. But on past performances (not just you're lot LR) there is usually quite a long period of "discussion" before a penalty is taken. I can't imagine Saturday at OT would be any different in that respect. Just what was M. Barthez doing during that period of time? Surely he ain't so fat that he has trouble bending over to clean his boots thus taking longer than normal?

-- Anonymous, November 21, 2001


Screach...while all the normal ref crowding was going on Barthez was out of his nets...The ref did NOT even look to see if Barthez was ready before he blew the whistle. The whistle was blown...run up was commenced THEN dickheadUrso looked at the net to find it empty. He immediately blew again BEFORE the ball was kicked. Anyway....this shouldn't warrant an explanation or justification....call it gamesmanship if you want but it happens all the time. Some good folk on here would have you believe that MUFC is league with the Devil himself. :)

-- Anonymous, November 21, 2001

LR, the opinions of people who should support Morecambe don't count either.

-- Anonymous, November 21, 2001

Gamesmanship indeed LR. At least you admit it (twice). FB does it all the time. Sometimes it works (just ask Izzet) and sometimes it doesn't (ask Paulo the Canny Lad). However, back to Jacko's point - which was related to delaying the restart of the game. When else can a game be restarted if the ball isn't dead? It happens regularly with free kicks. I suggest when all the "normal ref crowding" was going on, FB had plenty of time to clen his boots (and probably his fat @rse as well). Why couldn't he do it in his goal area? T0$$er - not LR but FB...............

-- Anonymous, November 21, 2001

its up to the player to be ready when the ref blows his whistle. goal should have stood.

-- Anonymous, November 21, 2001

Ohhhhh Douggie!!!...why Morecambe?

Naaaaaaaa...not even in the right country ;-)

BTW....even if you were spot on....'twas still a bollox line

-- Anonymous, November 21, 2001



Screach...get away with ya man...a penalty is not a method to re- start a game in the manner that we are really talking about here. The ball was obviously dead while the "debate" was going on but taking a penalty is just a normal part of the game. What Barthez did was no different from a penalty taker placing the ball on the spot more than once, or stopping halfway through his run-up.

Feck me...I don't think any Scousers were bothered about The Clown's wobbly act in Rome all those years ago.

I'm not denying the gamesmanship but since when has football been a sporting affair?

-- Anonymous, November 21, 2001


In all honesty, I reckon it was entirely the Referee who created this farcical situation. Surely the idiot should be expected to check both the keepers position, and that the taker is ready before blowing his whistle?

How on earth a so-called professional Referee can blow his whistle for a penalty when the keeper isn't even between the sticks is quite beyond me.

-- Anonymous, November 21, 2001


Glad to see you have surfaced LR, when you have finished here can you report to the Cake and A£rse Thread , not yet man , wait till I blow my whistle , peep peep , off you go.

-- Anonymous, November 21, 2001

In TOTAL agreement Smiler. That's what made mw laugh about the unsportsman-like finger being pointed towards Barthez by one or three on here.....how feckin' unsporting is taking a pen. when the keeper's away havin' a sarnie?

-- Anonymous, November 21, 2001

It's weird, LR, Barthez just seems to rub people up the wrong way. It's not because he's Man Utd before you start giving it all the "ABU" stuff - I think everyone is finding your lot less irritating than Liverpool and O'Leary's lot just at present.

-- Anonymous, November 21, 2001

I know Douggie.....the main "thrust" of my argument was the hypocricy line...NOT the obvious gamesmanship.

It'll be nice to see the scousers do well for a change :-)

-- Anonymous, November 21, 2001


sorry LR but Barthez was doing the unsporting bit and should have been booked.... ref's error. If he doesn't want to take up his position then the kick can still be taken when the ref says to, which "duh so" did... goal should have stood ... ref error again.

can't blame a player for taking a kick when the ref tells him to either. Anyho... bliddy funny

-- Anonymous, November 21, 2001


When I go fishing Geordie I usually go after specimens...killer Bass for example..tempted with a mackerel head or king rag. Now and again I pick up the odd ugly dog fish.

You are 100% wrong. The rules say that ya play to the whistle....or at least the ref's. direction...

Correct that he blew it to take the pen but if you look at the scene one more time the ref blew the whistle to STOP him ....prior to the ball being kicked. The goal couldn't have POSSIBLY stood :-(

-- Anonymous, November 21, 2001


naaa... daft beggar... ref's whistle=start play... goal!!!

On 2nd thoughts, you are of course correct and Izzet should be booked for kicking the ball away... clear dissent ;-)

-- Anonymous, November 21, 2001


come to think of it.... don't you have a passing resemblence to Fab?? ;-))

-- Anonymous, November 21, 2001

Geordie, if it was dissent on behalf of Izzett, shouldn't the penalty have been awarded to ManUre, (at the other end of course)? I can't imagine how SAF missed that one. But if Jacko (and many more on here) is right and FB should have been booked, would the pen have been moved 10 yds closer to the goal?

-- Anonymous, November 22, 2001

Apparently Durso admitted to Bertie Basset that he had blown his whistle. And if you watch the replays you will see that is the case.

The ref should have given the goal and booked Bartez. Who would then have been sent off for arguing, as would Keane and the mild mannered Gary Neville who was sent off with intent to argue.

-- Anonymous, November 22, 2001


Can't agree gang.

D'Urso incorrectly blew his whistle to allow the kick to be taken without checking that the keeper was in the correct position, ie. standing on his line. For all he knew FB could have been standing on the 6yd line.
After blowing the whistle, he immediately realised FB was relaxing against the goalpost and blew his whistle again, before Izzet kicked the ball.

He should undoubtedly have booked Barthez for 'ungentlemanly conduct', but having made such an utter bollox of the situation, he realised that booking him at that point would have simply added to his own embarrassment. Less than ideal, but having made an initial error, I felt D'Urso's subsequent actions where then quite appropriate.

-- Anonymous, November 22, 2001


Sorry to take so long to get back to you on this LR - been otherwise engaged - work - some poor bugger has to do it!

Anyway - your original comment about "just HOW the feck was Barthez delaying the start of play when we were at a dead ball situation" is probably the daftest thing you've ever said - saying a lot I know! I'm sure you must have realised that the ball HAS to be dead before you can delay the restart.

With regard to the unsporting behaviour bit - I'm not entirely sure how it's hypocritcal of me to mention it. You say it's always been like that - I agree - doesn't make it right and doesn't mean I would want anyone to make a habit of it. I just thought Saturday's performance was a particularly fine example of the genre!

Anyway, glad to hear your usual reponse. You really should calm down you know. Just accept that no one likes your lot and laugh when they win things!!!

-- Anonymous, November 22, 2001


Sorry clarky but the ref does not have to wait for the keeper to be on his line. If Izzet had missed the pen then he should have then had it re-taken as FB had encroached.. i.e. he was in the area but not on his line. By the laws of the game the goal should have stood.

-- Anonymous, November 22, 2001

Bit late in the day, but I'll add my opinion.

Barthez did nowt wrong. Sure he was trying to put Izzet off, but it's not worth a booking.

The ref blew for the penalty to be taken and then quickly blew again when he saw Barthez wasn't ready. The rules state that both parties (ie the taker and the 'keeper) must be ready for the kick. The ref saw that FB wasn't ready, and rightly stopped it from being taken.

No real argument in my opinion. Possibly a booking could have been given, but the decision with the penalty was correct.

-- Anonymous, November 23, 2001


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