Asian Shepherds are they good?

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Are asian shepherds good with children?Are they good companions?Is there anyone out there with one that could give me some info.I appreciate any info thanx.

-- Stephanie (aubrey56@maine.rr.com), October 18, 2001

Answers

I am wondering if you mean Australian Shepherds? If I am correct, please e-mail me and I will give you some info on them.

-- Shauna Rowan (shamelesscowgirl2001@yahoo.com), October 18, 2001.

Don't know about Asian Shepherds but I heard that them Israeli Shepherds can really keep the flock together! LOLLLL!!!!!

Have a good day!!!

-- TomK(mich) (tjk@cac.net), October 18, 2001.


Asian shepard



-- Dave (something@somewhere.com), October 18, 2001.


Gee whiz, Dave, that looks exactly like an Anatolian Shepherd!

-- Leslie A. (lesliea@mm2k.net), October 18, 2001.

lol, I see that now. Probably is the nearly the same dog but someone found a way to make more money...

Our dogs are trademarked. Asian Shepherd™ Please report any infringement of our trademark to us. Any one using the name Asian Shepherd™ lawfully must have the written acceptance of Pril and/or Don Zahorsky of Circle Z, Dacoma, Oklahoma.

-- Dave (something@somewhere.com), October 18, 2001.



This dog type appears all over Eastern Europe and has many names, from Anatolian to Kangal to Karabash to Asian to ...the list is to long.

If you are looking for a LiveStock Guardian Dog, I suggest you see if it is accepted by the American Kennel Club first. While you may not be interested in showing or even breeding now you may later.

-- westbrook (westbrook_farms@yahoo.com), October 18, 2001.


Stephanie, I personally do not have ANY experience with the breed you are asking about, but I do know that one of the recent Countryside back issues (and I believe are still available, if you have a recent issue), did a couple of articles on this breed. I think it was a '96 or '97 issue, I can't remember exactly, but I know I read it recently. Look at the back issues in Countryside; you might find what you need.

-- j. r. guerra (jrguerra@boultinghousesimpson.com), October 19, 2001.

If you are looking for a working dog, the LAST thing you want is any connection with the AKC!!! All they care about is looks!! Working ability and character are totally ignored!! They have ruined a lot of good breeds -- if all you are after is a pet, fine, but if you are actually after a good working dog, avoid AKC like the plague!

Asian Shepherds are working dogs, they are not, so far as I know, recognized by the AKC, and hopefully never will be! That said, a lot of good working breeds don't necessarily make good pets. They have often been bred to be protective, and in an urban or suburban setting can make nuisances of themselves. A strong herding instinct will also cause problems if all you want is a pet. And working dogs often have higher energy levels because they were bred to work all day. Investigate the breeds you are looking at carefully, and be very realistic about the amount of time and energy you have for this animal, and about your expectations for it's care. Don't just buy a dog because you like it's looks.

-- Kathleen Sanderson (stonycft@worldpath.net), October 19, 2001.


I spent several years of my childhood in Anatolia (Ankara, Turkey), and I remember very well what we called Turkish sheep dogs. We often saw them out in the country guarding sheep. They were huge, powerful animals with closely cropped ears and wide iron collars with big spikes all around. We were told it was to protect the dogs from wolves, who would hunt in packs, one grabbing a dog's ear and pulling back so another could go for the throat. They would often chase our car, a VW bug, just for fun. One day we were on a rutted country road so we could only go 25mph or so, with two of them loping along beside us. They could easily have reached right in the car window (if it had been open!) After a few minutes, one of the dogs dropped out of the race, but his partner on the driver side just wouldn't quit. Finally my dad rolled down his window a couple of inches and let out a loud "Rouff! Rouff!" The dog slowed to a stop, and I watched him out the back window standing in the middle of the road turning his head from side to side in puzzlement, getting smaller and smaller.

-- Nina in E TX (nchick4997@aol.com), October 19, 2001.

Usually when someone says Asian Shepherds, they usually mean the three different Russian protection dogs which go by any number of different names. (depends on the interpreter) Caucasian Ovtcharka, Mid-Asian Ovtcharka , or the South Russian Ovtcharka are the names of the three breeds.

None of the breeders of these great dogs, (I have found) will say that they are good with children. They must be socialized and obedience training is necessary. Sometimes they go by Central Asian owtcharka, or central asian sheepdog or quite a few variations on these names. That's why it's confusing when someone says Asian sheepdog, but they usually mean one of these Russian breeds.

One of these breeds is very similar in looks and extreme temperament of a wild Komondor. They do guard and protect. Hope that this is what you were looking for. There are many sites that are informative on these breeds.

-- LESTER (COELORUM@CS.COM), October 23, 2001.



Kathleen you couldnt have said that ANY better. STAY AWAY FROM THE AKC that organisation is a JOKE! all they care about is if your dog looks "fluffy"

-- David (drollb@aol.com), October 25, 2001.

Asian Shepherds are NOT Middle Asian Ovcharka's or Central Asian Ovcharka ,which translates to Central Asian Shepherd or sheepdog Asian SHepherds Are mongrels bred by Pril Zahorsky whom mixes 4 known purebreds . Central Asian Ovcharka to Caucasian Ovcharka to Spanish Mastiff to Anatolian shepherd. = Ok Bred Mutt Which is why she trademarked them TM You Cant trademark a FCI reg breed. This New Breed has been bred and sold a Asian shepherd Yet one generation later her mutts were sold as Purebred by a breeder in Ohio with CKC DRa paper work.

In All the years she has been mixing them they have never even OFA GDC or Penn hip a dog to prove these working dogs are healthy when compared to purebreds

Just to to google groups and search the news group

Asian Shepherds are listed as a SCAM period

Pedigree showing her Caucasian Ovcharka Shep being bred to a Central Asian Shenel showin on a pedigree listed as a purebred vs her new breed. Complete details will be up on the net soon Please pass the info around

-- Jeannine De Palma (dogoflegends@yahoo.com), February 05, 2002.


Central Asian Shepherds (ovchark) of Nomad type mastiff are good with kids .They were bred for over 5,000 years as a family dog protection of the nomads. Many were seen with the many kids of the tribes But due to the serious mix breeding of this breed in the USA and Russia . Not many lines can be trusted to be pure bred let alone good with kids

-- J De Palma (dogoflegends@yahoo.com), February 05, 2002.

Hi, Stephanie, We are the founders and breeders of Asian Shepherds although we have not had a litter for almost 4 years. We are not planning a litter at this time, either. If you are interested, please leave your name and address on our web page in case we need to re- home one of our former puppies.

Any big dog should be well supervised with children, and so should Asian Shepherds. Most of them are living with children in their families however . They are not bred for primarily pets, but need jobs for which they were bred. You can see letters to us about AS owners' children and Asian Shepherds-- and other aspects of the dog-- on our web page . Address is: http://circlezfarms.org . We are developing the dog from 4 foundation breeds. The AS standard and many photos are on our web page. We have not sought AKC nor UKC acceptance because we do not have enough numbers or generations to do so. We have contacted UKC long ago, to discover their rules and regulations for developing breeds, though. We X-ray and do a battery of tests on all of our dogs before breeding. We trade marked Asian Shepherds to keep the quality high .We want to be sure Asian Shepehrds are well bred by someone who knows what they are doing. An Asian Shepherd cannot be bred and registered without our approval. They must first pass the same health tests we do on our own dogs and must represent the kind of dog we want Asian Shepherds to be. It is all on our web page.

As for Jeannine De Palma, please read more from her whenever you want a good laugh. She knows nothing at all about Asian Shepherds, nothing at all. We do not pay much attention to her because we think that any intelligent, reasonable person can figure Jeannine out fairly quickly. Besides, everyone needs a good laugh every now and then.

But there is no scam, folks. What we are doing is all out there, clearly spelled out. We have been writing articles and paying for ads and web pages for at least ten years. If there were a scam, you would be seeing lots of complaints from our puppy buyers, not someone like Jeannine De Palma, who used to call and e mail to threaten me with her power, until I blocked her communications from my phone and e mail. I guess the internet was all that was left to her.

It is quite sad that she keeps attacking other owners or breeders. In our opinion, such a continuous circus will harm the CAO breed, but perhaps Jeannine De Palma does not care about that.

Although we have not had a litter of Central Asian Ovcharkas, we have an imported pair from Hungary and Poland, with the best pedigree in the US. See if you can get a copy of an FCI pedigree for Jeannine's pair, just for fun.

It is nice to see the Asian Shepherd becoming well known. We have worked hard and lost a lot of money to try to develop a breed with the strengths needed by people who want good dogs. Thank you for your questions. Pril Zahorsky circlez@pldi.net. circlezfarms.org

-- Pril Zahorsky (circlez@pldi.net), March 03, 2002.


Anyone with dog background can check the OFA-GDFC-Penn Hip data base and find not of the dog that Pril has bred , or her foundation stock listed for passing any form of Genetic testing.

This we understand for her Caucasian Ovcharka named Shep since his mother was diagnosed as having SEVERE HD and he was sold as a non breeding dog pet and was used to sire this alleged new breed.

So this scam of breeding your own breed cause it is more healthy then the over bred purebreds falls short when no Proof is ever provided.

Its funny when the breed known as Central Asian Ovcharka come from a NON FCI countries such as Uzbekistsan -Afghanistan etc. Yet in a OK scam breeders mind they are expected to have FCI pedigree in a NON Fci Country. HMM Added to this USA is a NON FCi country thus dogs in this country have to be reg with our forms such as AKC-UKC. ANd of course since I have the first reg UKC litter and dogs . And I dont scam people into believing that 1st generation mutts are not a breed. I wouldnt expect to fall into this backyard breeder ideal of a good breeder.

Our club has 3 registratons papers from DRA-CKC showing one of her mutts aka Asian Shepherds being bred as Purebred. This is what we call a scam. Anyone who would like a fax copy of the pedigrees showing her taking a Caucasian Ovcharka (shep)Breeding to a Central asian Ovcharka (shanel) and the progeny((Troika Von Briggle) of this mix is deemed Purebred Central Asian Ovcharka. Can email me for my number and I will fax the copies. No one expects anyone to believe one word over another. Proof of anything should be provided.

Pril can twist all she wants just do a search on Pril zahorsky and you will find her dabbling in Anatolian shepherds, Spanish Mastiff, Caucasian Ovcharka then Central Asian. Ending with first generation hybrid crosses sold as a breed. When you do a seach you will find her name on expert LGD-l list the top of the fields in Livestock guardians dogs 30 plus years for some taking apart this scam concept of creating the best dog by mixing a different combo each time. Or as published recreating the Old Sheps of the west by taking Livestock guardian dogs of non GsD collie origin and recreating the old style farm dogs with breeds that were NOT in the USA at the time of the Old Sheps existance. Says quite clearly as listed on a long list of Scams on deja news by another dog person it tops the list for USA created dog breed scams. Also breeds such as Dobash are listed Half Doberman Half akbash are also another quick money making scam.

EX:Taking a Reg purebred Collie and a reg purebred Doberman does not make a breed especially not selling one for $900 for a mutt with no form of health testing ever provided .

I really do think that Pril abilties are being wasted this type of scam im sure their are some bridges that dont exist that need selling some where.

Either way thanks to Pril Mixing CaoX COX ASD X Sm we now have 3 litters of mutts sold as purebred due to her poor breeding scam pratices. She sold a intact mutt to a person who has every intention of breeding yet no enforcment of contracts are made to save the purebred Central Asian breed from mutts because quite frankly she doesnt care of breed only about being a breed founder of a non existant breed.

-- J De Palma (dogoflegends@yahoo.com), March 19, 2002.



Here is a link in which Pril z ask the then President of the Russian RKF Dog club his opinion on mixing Central asian with Caucasian Ovcharka his answer is clear and since he doesnt agree with this concept of mixing breeds im sure he is also as wrong as I am well according to Pril who has done nothing for any breed she has bred. No working titles, no health testing, No champion stock. Note she clearly states champions r sickly dogs,yet her foundation stock of CAO have NEVER worked a field,tribe,herd they lived in bachyards with Show titles.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wdogs_ru/message/103

Note this FCI/RKF judge and others attended a show here. Of course non of this Champion so called stock used in mixed breeding programs showed up to dare get a critique from a Russian expert Yet my dogs due to me specializing in one breed took home the Gold.

I Have the first CGC-TDI-TT for the breed in the country/world I got the breed accepted in to UKC I am listed as the club with AKC FSS I have rescued 3 of Pril Mutts 2nd generation mutts I have worked -shown-titled-Tested every dog I have and then some. I appear all over the country as a rep for one breed.

I am in contact with the Asian goveraments to save this breed during their time of turmoil. Again these are NON FCi countries due to the Soviet Occupied rule that lasted 70 years.

Anyone seeking info pls visit http://www.centralasianshepherd.com USA Alerts will detail with scanned in copies the SCAm of the Asian Shepherd breed and the damage it has done to the Central Asian Shepherd breed.

Like the Presa in CA that klled the woman. Mixing Molosser breeds can result in serious complications for people kids and the future of one of the breeds used in the mix.

This Presa was mixed with Great Dane-Pit-Mastiff to increase size and fighting abilty. Now a woman is dead.

Anyone who turns away from the FACTS that poor breeding practices of 100 pound dogs can turn deadly has a rude awakening coming.

No one was around 10 years ago when the Presa came or the Cane Corso to documentate the mixing in of many USa breeds to increase size and selling abilty. However I got into my breed one year after Pril and I will be around forever to make sure the public knows what she has done to our breed and what she plans on continuing to do. Anyone on the farm dog list can see she has a published litter in 99 dirt cheap dogs available .Yet her post here says no litters of 4 years- 2002 March -1999 . That is about 2 . 5 years that we know of since she just proved she fibs a bit. Also dog collectors of magazines lookat the 1999-2000 Dog Kennel adds showing a dog name Szepe as a Asian shepherd then this dog switches breed in the next magazine Dog Fancy USA 2000 same year . Can a dog switch breeds from month to month?

It may sound like nothing now,but 10 years from now WHEN not IF one of these 3 generation mutts sold as pure KILL a Child . Then and only then we will know where to point the finger.

Directly at Pril Zahorsky and all who supported her

-- j De palma (dogoflegends@yahoo.com), March 19, 2002.


WOW!

-- Not (not@today.com), March 19, 2002.

Sorry I tried to remove half the post it was way to long for this box and instead you have lines, so sorry

-- J De palma (dogoflegends@yahoo.com), March 19, 2002.

To those asking about Asian Shepherds, there a a couple of relevant questions to ask of any new breed...first, how long has the breed been in existence? Second, how many generations of this breed have you produced? Third, are they breeding true in the third and fourth generations? Or are there assorted types coming through showing that the breeding program has not yet completed its goals? Fourth, why are breeding stock representatives from the FIRST generation being sold and then crossed with a purebred CAO and sold as such? What organization is registering this breed, and how many generations of this hybrid are required to show this is a true breed? Lastly, how do you create a breed when you haven't bred a litter of them in over 4 years? As for the unkind remarks about Ms. DePalma, there are some who feel this is unjust and uncalled for...I am in that group. Ms DePalma has proven her purebred dogs do what they were bred to do, tested them for health defects, championed them in the show ring, temperment tested each one, and is pursuing a breeding program of purebred dogs that goes back in time for 5000 years. She is not changing the breed, but remaining true to the nomadic dogs from ancient times...the guardian mastiff type prized by the wandering herdsmen for eons...who guards flock, family, and property without being a danger to the young or old people in the group. I own one of her dogs, a young male who is a working therapy dog and also was Best in Show Puppy his first outing in the show ring. Added to that, I also have 5 other Central Asians, each of which is a working therapy dog with the elderly and mentally challenged. Ms DePalma is above reproach in her breeding program, has quality, TESTED and PROVEN CAOs who work her farm as well a provide companionship/property guarding for her and her husband...and then go in the show ring and win bigtime. She is the only active rescue person for the CAO and cross- bred CAOs in the US, and has personally rescued nearly 20 dogs and placed them in loving and permanent homes. She discovered the cross- breeding of a first generation "Asian Shepherd" with a CAO and the resulting pups being sold a purebreds, and rescued two of the progeny before the bloodlines could be further diluted with other breeds involved in the Asian Shepherd mix.

For Ms Zahorsky, where did you champion your breeding dogs? What organization has the hip X-ray results? And why are you selling off first generation crossbreds when they have never proven to breed true to the standard you have set for your new breed, unaltered and breedable to whatever the new owner pleases? How do you have a BREED when there are no later generations to prove that they are breeding true to what you have tried to create?

Just a few thoughts for those interested in dogs and how they are developed...and a few questions to ask of the breeder of ANY new breed.

And for the record, there are 3 main breeds that are under the Russian name of Ovcharka...the Caucasian, the Central Asian, and the South Russian. About the only thing the 3 totally different breeds have in common is the name given them 70 years ago by the Russians...Ovcharka, loosely translated as "shepherd's friend or helper". These breeds have little in common except the name, and all being livestock guardians. Otherwise, they are totally different in build, coat, temperment, and conformation.

Victoria Evans

-- Victoria Evans (vsevans@yahoo.com), March 20, 2002.


De Palma forgot to mention that she is the person who puts all those defamations on the internet Check to see who the author is. Victoria Evans asked me repeatedly to breed her female to our imported CAO, Sultan. We would not. That should give you an idea of Victoria Evans. DE Palma apparently knows as little about genetics as she does other things--Crossing breeds that are very close to the same genetic base gives BETTER temperaments. See: Scott and Fuller: Genetics and the Social Behavior of the Dog. Make an internet search under Genetics and you will discover how silly her statements are. DePalma forgot to mention that both her "champions" were purchased from breeders who do not x-ray or health test AT ALL. Ask De Palma for an x-ray result for the SIRE and DAM of either of her "champions" or her other dogs . If she can produce no sire and dam x-rays for her dogs, perhaps they are dysplastic ? Shep has been x-rayed long ago, at 2 years, before we ever bred him, and he has good hips. He moves easily and well and none of his puppies have been dysplastic. So much for defamation and making things seem what they are not. De Palma wants you to think that we bred those three Ohio litters of dogs that she blabs about so much. We did not. Tina Shore, who must be a buddy of Jeannine's, bred those litters. I believe De Palma HERSELF,did knowingly register a pupfrom one of those Ohio litters as a purebred CAO-listing herself as owner-- in May of 2001 with DRA . I cannot read if his name is Glad or Vlad? Are you using that male cross-bred pup to sire CAO litters, De Palma? Why did you want him and register him as a purebred CAO, knowing he was not ? De Palma brags that her male is from "totally aboriginal" stock on his dam's side. If you will read Ray and Lorna Coppingers' book DOGS, you will know that nomads constantly moving to pastures do not segregate their females who come in season. So "aboriginal"-to those of us who read and know about conditions during the movement of livestock to and from nomadic summer pastures-equates with "could be any kind of dog in the breeding " Is that called a "mutt", De Palma .Is that why you use the word so often on the internet, De Palma? Sometimes several males mate the same bitch. Puppies in one litter often have several sires. There have been no certified three-generational purebreds behind "totally aboriginal" dogs. In fact, there have been no registries at all in Central Asia and surrounding areas, such as FCI in Europe, until perhaps recently they are beginning . The idea of having a registered dog Means 3 generations from breeding stock that has been carefully selected and segregated over those three generations . If you do not have that, you can claim to be a purebred, but... De Palma, put up your FCI pedigrees, if you have them. Stop cyberstalking me and other breeders . Put up the scientific citations foryour silly statements about genetics. Put up copies of the health tests from the breeding stock of your sire and dam. Put up proof that the breeder of you male ever registered the litter from which you male comes. Please do not confuse your wild statements with facts. I get letters all the time from people laughing about your latest internet nonsense. Foks, the Asian Shepherd is no scam. A scam is when the consumer is not aware of the nature of the product. It does not take a rocket scientist to know that nearly all breeds begins with the idea of one person or one group. Perhaps De Palma thinks that all breeds came full blown from the mind of God ? Anyone who pretends to be an expert should be aware of how breeds come about or not reveal her ignorance, however . De Palma and others like her enjoy the internet because there are few restraints on writing silly trash. Please, De Palma, stop cyberstalking me and other people who are offering positive actions and thoughts to the dog world. Hardly anyone admires a destroyer .

For the people who sincerely wanted to know about Asian Shepherds or Central Asian Ovcharkas, go to our web page at http://circlezfarms.org . I am happy and busy with our life, with my work as volunteer for the Anatolian Shepherd rescue groups, and our dogs. I am not planning to waste any more time on De Palma's trashy nonsense . Pril Zahorsky circlez@pldi.net

-- Pril Zahorsky (circlez@pldi.net), April 11, 2002.


Pril Zahorsky is a Scam artists period scammer like to like comes natural.,

T Shore as her pedigree is a buyer from Pril Circle Z Pedigree are being scanned in now to show her CO being mixed with a CAO. please check http://www.centralasianshepherd.com

None of these mutts are reg as CAO they are reg as MAO as per documents Come on Pril get it write. Since thier is a contact between the owner Lance his dog & T Shore as per paperwork. You should try to get your info strait

I will be asking the owner of this Asian shepherd Mix to a Seminar published on TV to show the scam that Pril is playing.

Shep comes from TOTAL Dyplasitic parents. Please call the Caucasian Mountain dog CLub of American for info. Breeder founders of this breed http://www.esquirecaucasians.com CLub can send you info about Shep dyplastic parents.

Mydogs simply have had Xrays listed with a offical genetic Database (GDC) anyone can check this.

Xrays are not required in most countries so some imports are not the NOT norm But in this country to breed large dogs prone to HD without official Xrays is foolish.

Prils dogs her mutts anatolians CAO CO SM all the breeds she mixed has NEVER been rated byANY database period . Just check them as per breed listings.

Her thougths are on Rescue since her dogs wind up in rescue and she gives intact breeding stock to backyard breeders and she doesnt clip ears or tail on her new breed . Of course she needs to help Anatolian rescue to hide her sick mixed breeds. And her rescue link was pulled down by the ASD club because of her rep as a scam artist..

Since you didnt Xray Sultan with any official database and all he is is a farm dog with no ratings titles NOTHING. When she learned this she would NEVER use such a dog.

Either way my dogs and pups are DNA and Micrchip which proven parentage.,

I cant wait to take you scam public!!Thanks for more printed lies

I have a friend in your state its time I stop buy and sue you now for defamation of character the T shore buyer is going to help me sue you.

Lets see if you can wabble over to court.

Then I get to take those public records and publish them on the net Thanks for the evidence I needed.

-- Jeannine De Palma (dogoflegends@yahoo.com), April 11, 2002.


Pril you are so funny and lame!

Yes im sure anyone with purebred stunning tested big Central Asian would want to breed to a mutt that looks like a horror. From Dyplastic lines. However all dogs need love and your mutt has a great home in DC. You remember calling me to threaten me with giving up that info to you? Well I can handle you sick lies in responce to facts that I our club has provided showing you are a scam artists. This nice couple that adopted this mutt love him and so do the kids. And they want nothing to do with you. All rescues are required to get neutered or spayed by new homes or foster care. So pls get a life.

Well anyone wishing to see our DNA Stud the Top Winning Working certified dog in the country pls visit his recent nomination as dog of the month for molosser World .

The experts on Molossers.

http://www.moloss.com/motm/202/042002

Pls we have another Asian shepherd Rescue from Pril lines we will need help placing.

-- J De Palma (dogoflegends@yahoo.com), April 11, 2002.


It really is all untrue. I am sorry.

-- Pril Zahorsky (circlez@pldi.net), April 11, 2002.

Someone just posted a communication, using my name and my e mail answer. Do not know who did it, but the communication which says " It really is all untrue. I am sorry." and which uses my name and e mail address is false, it is false personification, also. I will ask the owners of this bulletin board to get to the bottom of how someone can post a message using my name and e mail address. In the meantime, be aware that the communication is a forgery from someone. Pril Zahorsky circlez@pldi.net

-- Pril Zahorsky (circlez@pldi.net), April 12, 2002.

Asian Shepherd puppies for sale! 4 females/3 males. Healthy sire and dam, working with livestock. Best of the southwest! Males: $200 Females: $250

-- Linda / Tumble Weed Ranch (TumbleWeedRanch@hotmail.com), April 12, 2002.

Pril looks like you DID NOT Import Szepe. Another lie . Looks like you have got another dog the cheap way? Please let us see her IMPORT pedigree ? and or Import Stamped papers addressed to you. Looks like anything you say is a complete lie.

-- J De Palma (dogoflegends@yahoo.com), April 16, 2002.

I find this little discourse here hilarious. Ever think maybe you take the registrar stuff just a bit too far? I mean come on, we're talking about dogs here. Some of the best dogs I've ever known were 'mutts'. Do you think the dog cares about all this stuff?

Nonetheless, it's amusing to read. Carry on.

-- Dave (multiplierx9@hotmail.com), April 16, 2002.


Mutts are not better or worse in anything , Point is their is thousands of mutts a day dying in need of a home due to the fact that they are not purebreds.

So why scam the public into paying 1,000 for mutt when you can adopt one from the pound.?

We have mutts today because of the breeds good ethical people created years ago. What is the use of helping save a breed when bad breeders like this mix up , tell a long tail of lies and then the mutts are later sold as purebred. ?

If they were good enough to be sold as mutts ? why one generation later are they back to being purebreds?

It smells fishy, looks fishy it is fishy,

Fact remains the Asian shepherd breed or Pril Creation is listed top of the USA Scam Breeds updates. Along with the Schnoodle (Schnuaser X Poodle> $500 pet store gimmicks and the Dobash Half Doberman Half Akbash.>

-- J De Palma (dogoflegends@yahoo.com), April 16, 2002.


I am disturbed by the vitriol be vented in a public forum which does little to answer the origional question? Are Asian Shepherds good dogs for the purposes listed? As far as the discussion of pedigree and scams I have a few thoughts to contribute. Certainly Nomadic herdsman on the steppes of central asia did not keep pedigreed records of the breeding of these animals. They were selected with the slower but yet time honored processes of natural selection via environment and ruthless culling of unfit or unsuitable individuals. The EXTREMELY modern process of pedigree breeding has only surpassed these older methods in the developed nations and only in the past century for most "Breeds". Prior to that selection was overwhelmingly based on performance and expediency. To keep and breed dogs in a modern american context of confinement, relatively little contact with livestock or extreme weather conditions and other environmental factors which the origional "breed" was selected under and claim that you "breed" is identical to the animals that existed in some other time and place is somewhat unrealistic. The animals may physically resemble some of the animals found in that environment and time period from what limited knowledge we have but I submit to you that "breeds" selected for performance and utility always show much more variability in conformation, color, size, and other traits unrelated those specific to the work they do or did. But back to the origional question. Are asian shepherds currently found on this continent good dogs for the purposes Stephanie asked about? Yes or no?

-- Tim Springston (springston77@yahoo.com), April 21, 2002.

The Asian shepherd is NOT a breed or a recreation of a old breed or any breed at all. Since the Asian shepherd is trademarked to Pril Zahorsky as her creation in the USA she is the only person who can answer that question. And if they are TM they cant be a recreation of a old breed if they are Trademarked in the USA.

My answer had to do with someone responce that isnt the Asian Shepherd the Russian Ovcharka ? Answer NO

Asian shepherds are Pril's first generation Hybrids bred in the USA. This new not yet formed breed and are about 7 years old. This NON breed is not accepted by any form of registration.

Central Asian Ovcharkas are a type of dog developed in Central Asia for 5,000 years the Russians discovered them in the 1920's the English in the 1800's. They are accepted by UKC-AKC-FCI and other European Registrys in NON FCI countries.

And Yes the Central asian Ovcharka known as Central Asian Shepherds are good with kids if they are socialized.

Granted no dog is 100% safe with kids and either dogs should NOT be obtained as a Nanny for kids other breeds are better suited.

-- J De Palma (dogoflegends@yahoo.com), April 22, 2002.


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