I got this off of another board, but thought it was worth sharing here. There are several other articles coming out with this same stilted slant. So anyway kiddos, this is quickly getting to where the rubber meets the road. For general information, I have no idea how to make a souffle` much less a bio-weapon!;}

[NwO]Christian militias blamed for Anthrax

That's right folks, Christians against the NWO are now terrorists.

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/arc...101-1-7-46.html

Backwoods militias suspected of being behind biowar threat IAN BRUCE THE FBI's domestic terrorism unit is investigating the possible role of illegal militia groups in the spate of anthrax outbreaks in Florida and New York.

Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma bomber who killed 168 people when he blew up a federal building in 1995, was a supporter of one such group, the National Alliance.

Others have threatened to use biological weapons, including anthrax, botulism, and ricin, in their struggle against what they see as a global conspiracy between the US administration and the United Nations to disarm and enslave them. Every state has its own "patriot" group of disaffected right-wing Christian radicals opposed to central government and federal regulations. Most are organised along paramilitary lines.

The FBI estimates their numbers at up to 40,000, with the larger militias in backwoods country areas. They claim they are mobilising to fight the "New World Order".

In places like Idaho, Texas, Montana and West Virginia, they wear army surplus camouflage uniforms and train with assault rifles and explosives against the day when they might have to defend themselves against direct interference from the federal authorities.

They range in outlook from Pat Robertson, a failed 1988 presidential candidate, with his vision of a "Christian America" to the sinister Posse Comitatus, Aryan Nations and Minnesota Patriots' Council, who favour armed insurrection.

All have links with the National Rifle Association, the influential lobby group which represents weapons' manufacturers, hunters and gun clubs and campaigns for the right of all Americans "to own and bear arms".

There is some doubt as to whether this right is enshrined legally in the American constitution but the NRA has powerful supporters in both senate and congress and no-one has yet managed successfully to challenge the all-pervasive nationwide gun culture.

Most of the militias' philosophy is based on white-supremacist principles, looking down on blacks as "mud people" and Jews as instigators of the global plot against them and manipulators of the world economy for their own benefit.

Despite their redneck reputation, they have developed a sophisticated communications network using computer e-mail, shortwave radio, and fax. The North American Patriots, a group with members from California to Kansas, publish a newsletter entitled Firearms and Freedom.

After the disastrous FBI storming of the Branch Davidian headquarters in Waco, Texas, and the Ruby Ridge stand-off fiasco, where an FBI sniper killed an unarmed woman in a mountain cabin, the militias have turned to the threat of biological weapons to up the ante.

In January 1999, police and security forces responded to 30 anthrax hoaxes in southern California alone. Since then, there have been thousands of false alarms across the country.

Many aimed at government buildings, including deliveries of envelopes containing suspicious white powder, were militia inspired. Others targeting schools, hospitals or newspapers were sent by disgruntled former employees or jilted lovers.

However, the FBI has never discounted the possibility someone might lay hands on lethal biological agents. In 1992, two members of the Minnesota Patriots' Council were arrested carrying vials of ricin, an extremely dangerous toxin. They intended to use the substance to kill police officers over a local feud.

Larry Wayne Harris of the Aryan Nations managed to buy samples of bubonic plague over the internet. Fortunately, the plague bacteria were inert.

Three members of the Republic of Texas bought what they thought was anthrax in 1998. It turned out to be anthrax serum, the liquid used to inoculate people against the infection.

An FBI source said yesterday that up to 80% of the weapons of mass destruction inquiries carried out in the last few years involved the threat of anthrax.

Before the death of a British-born newspaperman in Florida last week, only 28 people in the US had died from effects of the bacterium in the last 100 years.

Before biowar became a potentially popular hobby, anthrax was known as "wool-shearer's disease" because it had been contracted only by farmworkers in close contact with sheep, a prime carrier of the infection.

An FBI source said: "We can never rule out al Qaeda's possible role in the current deliberate spread of anthrax. It is causing more panic than anything else and has not, thankfully, been disseminated in a very efficient way if the object was to inflict casualties.

"But our own militias may also have a hand in some or all of the incidents. Copycats and hoaxers could also be having a field day. The problem is, we just can't afford to drop our guard."

-- (bisquit@here.com), October 16, 2001

Answers

Yup, we were right! The thought police has turned on us again!

Now if you are a Christian, ever had a membership in the NRA or took a hunter safety course AND live in rural America you wear the terrorist label.

Of course these guys are running around out in the woods in camos with AR-15s, its elk season!

-- Laura (LadybugWrangler@hotmail.com), October 16, 2001.

In places like Idaho, Texas, Montana and West Virginia, they wear army surplus camouflage uniforms and train with assault rifles and explosives against the day when they might have to defend themselves against direct interference from the federal authorities. Can't speak for the other states, but since I live in north Idaho, I have to say that I've NEVER seen anybody like that! And I've encountered some rather extremme people, including the Weaver family (who really weren't that radical, they were just a homesteading family in the mountains). There was the Aryan Nations 'compound' in Hayden Lake, but that is now demolished. The number of Ayran Nation members here now? About 7. There are quite outnumbered by the peace activists, hippies, yupppies, good old boys, and just plain people. Encountering a skinhead is cause for conversation, not an everyday event! I hardly ever see any. What I do see are black people working in the grocery store, Mexicans, Filipinos, gays,and a lot of Jewish people! I cannot understand why we have such a bad reputation for being a racist area! I can only conclude that the rumormongers have never been here, except for the yearly parade that the Aryan Nations hold on Hitler's birthday. The fact is that the parade is really pathetic. A handful of skinheads, and crowds of peace loving protesters!!!

As for militias, I haven't ever heard of one up here. Camo and rifles are used for hunting. Fanatics such as are described above would likely be run out of town!!

-- Rebekah (daniel1@itss.net), October 16, 2001.

Bisquit, I am new to W. Virginia, moved here about 1 month ago and yet to see anybody wearing camaflodge other than bow hunters. What city are these radicals near? Where did your information come from? Are you ashamed or just too afraid to post your name? Can you say p a r a n o i d ?

-- mitch hearn (moopups@citlink.net), October 16, 2001.

Okay, I went reading around and only found stories alluding to this. Of course there is no real evidence, there never is.

Daschle got an anthrax envelope. He is also on an energy committee. At first he was supporting oil drilling in the Arctic, then he pulled his support for oil drilling there, then he recieved his envelope.

Of course it couldn't have been sent by the watermelon enviros who elected him and felt betrayed when he supported the drilling and the envelope was lost in the mail for awhile, it HAD to be sent by us anti-social, anti-everything rednecks. Such is the investigative competence of our dear FBI.

Since the FEDs are claiming there is no evidence connecting anthrax mail to bin Laden or 9-11, and all the targets are flaming liberals it is just so convenient to lump conservative Americans in the same bowl as Islamic terrorists.

For awhile, my daily junk mail included pleas for money from various watermelon groups wanting to prevent Arctic drilling and begging for money to violate my property rights. They all came with postage paid envelope. Of course I stuffed them full of other junk and sent them back. I thought about putting used kleenexes in them but was afraid I would be accused of bio-terrorism.

Mitch, if you paid attention, you would know who made the original post.

-- Laura (LadybugWrangler@hotmail.com), October 16, 2001.

Laura, I do not come here very often due to the type of stuff that is written above. I cannot tell if this is paranoid delusion, satitire, or just raving to make noise. Mose of the political views here approach extreme and are given as if everybody should know what the poster means. I do not follow the "trends" this forum takes on a daily basis, but I certainly see the results and would label them totally confusing. The above post jumps all over the board, makes no point that I understand, cover too many subjects and is "borrowed" rather than expressed.

-- mitch hearn (moopups@citlink.net), October 16, 2001.

Okay Mitch, ya caught me! I am an ultra-right wing Christian conservative subversive! I associate with John Birchers, members of para-military organizations and disenfranchised minority groups.

What does that all mean? I am a Bible based, born-again Christian. I live so far out in the sticks that it takes an entire day to go to WalMart and back. I talk to everybody and have friends and family that are cops and corrections officers and I shop on an Indian Reservation. My views of life do not match 98% of the American population because I do not LIVE like 98% of the American population!

So Mitch, add a little more caffein to your diet, take a happy pill and read through the forum again very s l o w l y.

Rebekkah, I saw them when I was in Idaho. They call themselves National Guardsmen!

-- Laura (LadybugWrangler@hotmail.com), October 16, 2001.

Mitch, the original post was an article from a British newspaper -- as usual, they don't "quite" have their facts straight (besides being raving socialists themselves!). It was posted as a heads-up on what the leftists are thinking, saying, and what we'd better be watching out for next. And the poster was Doreen, the list-owner -- guess she forgot to type her name in this time. Just be patient and read carefully -- a lot of what's posted is cut and pasted out of news reports and may *not* be the poster's opinion, just posted for our information.

-- Kathleen Sanderson (stonycft@worldpath.net), October 16, 2001.

In the world I live in; if you have something to say you just say it; take the lumps or the applause what ever applies. Do not drag in what other people say if you can not say it yourself. Stop hiding behind other peoples quotes, be they right or wrong, correct this forum's approach to reality; anything less is a sellout; or remain less than beliveable.....

-- mitch hearn (moopups@citlink.net), October 16, 2001.

Mitch, I DON'T think you understand. The purpose of the post was to alert us to what some people are saying. You can't fight the enemy, or be prepared for what's coming, if you don't know what they are up to. Back up for a minute, calm down, and pay attention! (Why am I starting to feel like a kindergarten teacher again! )

Just because someone posts something, doesn't necessarily mean they agree with it! It's there so we know what's going on. I DO understand that if you haven't been here very long, you might not yet have gotten to know individual posters and where they are coming from, but you are WAY off base about Doreen.

-- Kathleen Sanderson (stonycft@worldpath.net), October 16, 2001.

Mitch, God love ya, you are a challenge, my dear. I use bisquit@here.com because if I use my regular email it always goes to the top of the thread and disrupts the chronological order of the post. I used bisquit on this one because it is much shorter than my email and I needed to get out the door to earn FRN's($$) to pay for education here in fabulous America.

There are these things called html codes that are presented as links to point you in the direction of where the post came from originally. perhaps this will make it easier:

Insipid Lies and Socialist Propaganda perpetrated by Boot lickers of the UN and their Psychophants

Does that make my personal position clear to you, sir? I won't hide unless it is a tactical manuever necessary to defeat those who would prefer to turn us into minions of a global police state run by silage with legs.

If you don't understand what is being said, I don't know how to explain it to you. English is my primary language. If you don't like what is expresseed, that is your right, but to be sincere, I frankly do not have the time nor the inclination to defend the position I take to those who would rather think that everything will just go back to their cozy little reality if only everyone would just roll over and listen to the aforementioned silage.

Do your own research if you are so bothered by things, and if you can't see the writing on the wall..well, good luck to you.

-- Doreen (bisquit@here.com), October 16, 2001.

Oooops! Sorry Mitch! That link was to another story spouting the same garbage. If you want to find out by yourself, you can do a search off of the first tag up there.

-- Doreen (bisquit@here.com), October 16, 2001.

*******the bisquit is in the oven and she can't get out*********

-- Just Duckie (Duck@spazmail.com), October 16, 2001.

Good Lord, where do they get this stuff? "They wear army surplus..."? What is with these people? I wear Doc Marten boots, does that make me a political insurgent???

When is this going to end? That's right, folks, you don't have to be leary of the miscreants in the middle east who want you dead because you're from the west, it's really John and Jane Smith's boy from down the road who's the real threat -- he wears army boots, ya know!

Does anyone else sense a mild paranoia and pending return to McCarthyism here? Isn't this just what the damned Taliban wants? For western society to turn on its own?

-- Tracy (trimmer31@hotmail.com), October 17, 2001.

I don't think it's the Taliban that's the problem. I think the ME terrorists are being *used* by someone else, quite likely Russia, but there are other possible candidates. Doesn't make a whole lot of difference to us personally, as there isn't a whole lot we can do, either way.

-- Kathleen Sanderson (stonycft@worldpath.net), October 17, 2001.

Tracy, you dissident! Of course it is just what the one in charge of this whole thing wants. Get us sniping and fearful of each other and turn the "innocent until proven guilty by a court of law" right on it's head. It is already in full swing.

I know I always marvel that anyone sees me when I wear my camo T....maybe I kind find a holo suit at a surplus store??? Whattya think?

-- Doreen (bisquit@here.com), October 17, 2001.

This somewhat supports Kathleen's supposition. I don't know if you all recall the numerous stories about Russia's unguarded anthrax dumps or not, but this makes one wonder a bit.

IndependentUK Article

Russian military suspected as source of anthrax

By Anne Penketh

18 October 2001

The hunt for the source of the weapons-grade anthrax that shut down the heart of the American political establishment yesterday has already produced many false trails.

Much of the focus has been on Iraq, but according to the world's leading germ warfare experts the finger of suspicion points more directly at Russia's broken-down military industrial complex.

If the finger of suspicion falls on any one country "the obvious one is Russia, it's a league ahead of Iraq", said David Kelly, a senior adviser to UN weapons inspectors for Iraq.

Other countries that are thought to be working on a biological weapons programme include Iran, North Korea, Libya, Cuba, Egypt and Pakistan.

Unemployed top Russian scientists who helped to run the Soviet Union's illegal and secret germ warfare programme appear to be a likely source of the anthrax outbreak in the United States. It is known that Osama bin Laden's al-Qa'ida network has tried to buy ingredients for weapons of mass destruction in Russia in recent years.

The secret Russian germ warfare programme was set up in the 1970s to allow Moscow to cheat on its treaty commitments to destroy all its anthrax and other germ warfare stocks. Experts believe parts of the programme are still operating today.

Moreover, the scientists who worked on the programme until it was officially disbanded in 1992 may have sold their secrets on the open market. Mr Kelly said that of the 30,000 people who worked for the Soviet agency known as Biopreparat, "between three and four thousand were professional scientists. Some would be available to go elsewhere."

The al-Qa'ida network is known to be awash with funds, thanks to the fundraising activities of Saudi-based charities and Mr bin Laden's personal fortune.

The full extent of Russia's cheating was revealed to the CIA by Ken Alibek, the deputy director of Biopreparat, when he defected in 1992.

Mr Alibek has described how the Soviet Union churned out two tons of anthrax a day at Stepanagorsk in Kazakhstan and said the Russians covered up an outbreak of anthrax in the Urals in 1979. He told a United States congressional committee last week: "There are pieces of Biopreparat that are still running, some with a very high level of secrecy."

No one knows where up to 50 Russian scientists possessing secrets on weapons-grade anthrax may be today, he added.

The strain found to have affected the 34 staff members of the US Senate yesterday was a highly potent, finely milled weapons-grade powder.

Dick Spertzl, a biowarfare expert in America, said: "Any dedicated individual can learn how to make weapons-grade anthrax. If they had an adviser, it would be easier."

But turning the laboratory-produced liquid into the powder spores is much harder. "The knowledge of drying is not that common," Mr Spertzl said.

According to the experts, Iraq had concentrated on the liquid variety of anthrax, which could infect its victims via so-called "drop tanks" or aerosols.

Only three countries, Iraq, the United States and Russia, have turned anthrax into a weapon. Britain announced in 1956 that it was ending its offensive anthrax programme.

The US abandoned its own programme in 1969, and says it is concentrating on biodefence. But Russian scientists at Biopreparat continued to work clandestinely on the secret anthrax weapons.

Iraq is believed to possess at least 8.4 tons of concentrated liquid anthrax, despite telling United Nations weapons inspectors that all stocks had been destroyed in 1991. Ewen Buchanan, the spokesman for the UN inspectors responsible for disarming Iraq, says: "We had concerns that Iraq was attempting to store it as a dry product, but no hard evidence."

Mr Kelly also said that "we know that Iraq went to the British patents office in the dissemination area in the 1980s, or wet dissemination", but he cautioned against assuming that state-sponsored terrorism lay behind the outbreaks.

Three of the 19 hijackers of the 11 September attacks have been linked to Russia's rebellious republic of Chechnya and the ringleader, Mohamed Atta, twice met an Iraqi intelligence agent in Prague. American officials say, though, that such meetings did not prove Iraq's involvement in any terrorist acts.

Mr Kelly said Iraq, which has won support from Arab states for its efforts to break out of the 10-year-old UN sanctions, has "too much at stake" to take part in such action.

The use of the term "high grade" anthrax could mean that it iseither more potent or easier to disseminate. British experts in biowarfare said the term probably means that it is of a genetic strain that is more infectious or that its powdered spores are in a form that is easier to inhale, so causing the most lethal form of anthrax.

The anthrax mailed to the Florida newspaper belonged to the standard Ames strain, which is not known to be significantly more virulent than others.

Professor Alastair Hay, a biowarfare specialist at Leeds University, said "high grade" anthrax suggests that it might be a strain that is more infectious, with a relatively small number of spores capable of causing a lung infection.

It normally takes between 2,500 and 10,000 spores to be inhaled to cause pulmonary anthrax, so a strain that could result in disease with fewer spores would be sought by biowarfare terrorists.

The other way of making anthrax more deadly is to grind it into a fine powder that easily floats in the air.

One of the greatest concerns is that anthrax, which is not contagious, may be genetically altered so that it is.

The different strains of anthrax

The use of the term "high grade" anthrax could mean that the bacteria possess one of a number of traits that makes the microbe more lethal as a terror weapon, either by making it more potent or easie to disseminate.

British experts in biowarfare said "high grade" or "military grade" anthrax are most likely to mean that the microbe is of a genetic strain that is more infectious or that its powdered spores are in a form that is easier to inhale, so causing the most lethal form of anthrax.

The anthrax mailed to the Florida newspaper belonged to the standard Ames strain which is not known to be significantly more virulent than other strains.

Professor Alastair Hay, a biowarfare specialist at Leeds University, said "high grade" anthrax suggests that it might be a genetic strain that is more infectious, with a relatively small number of spores being capable of causing an infection of the lungs.

It normally takes between 2,500 and 10,000 spores to be inhaled to cause pulmonary anthrax so a strain that could result in disease with fewer spores would be sought by biowarfare terrorists.

The other way of making anthrax more deadly is to grind it into a fine powder that easily floats in the air and which can be more easily disseminated.

One of the greatest concerns is that anthrax, which is not contagious, may be genetically altered to a form that can be passed on. Bacteriologists believe this cannot be discounted.

Steve Connor

-- Doreen (bisquit@here.com), October 17, 2001.

The answer is this,the United States since its begining was formed by europeans. The govewrnment,laws and ideas were formed on Judeo- christian values(based on scriptures). This country, in part,has left its First Love.Ideas(religon)such as muslim,hindu,catholics,jehovah witness and mormons have been allowed to flourish, therefore bringing judgement from the ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD, the LORD JESUS CHRST. Sodomy,Abortion and injustice in the court systems brings the Wrath of the LORD as well.

-- carl s smith (bcsmith@novocon.net), March 22, 2003.

Carl? What color is the sky in your world?

-- Zen Clown (martys@iland.net), March 22, 2003.