again... now some SLR´s, and personal coments

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Hope don´t bore you with my pictures, but you must know as a photographer time comes when you want to show. This are SLR (canon and nikon) images, I make this clear, not because they are diferent or a camera makes them diferent, but because it can serve at diferent lebels, in this forum, i mean i like to know how you make pictures and I think you may too. I once analice my images by the diferent type of cameras they were made with, basicaly M leica´s and SLR´s. here I go....Please dear soft were.
when studing photography I just had one camera and one lens (Canon A1 and 50/1.4) this picture was made in my walk home after buying my first wide angle, a 20/2.8 for my canon.Good lens!

This I think wouldn´t be so easy if not because of my Nikon F (without prisn, waist level) and nikon 35/2, of course I wish i had a better lens, well I think so, I like the contrast specialy for the hand, but i wish I had more detail in the shadows. Mary Ellen Mark loved this one when showed to her, I´m not presume, i´m actualy pretty proud of it.

This again is the 20/2.8 of my canon. Writing says "respect this place"; of course this is one of my colection on women.

Another one with a lucky story, he wes alive and I was the one who confirmed it, after laing there for more than 24hrs, camera a Nikon FG that fail the followed week, (to never could be rapair), and a 24/2.8, also a good lens that come to my hands by chance.

Nikon F (no prism) and 24/2.8.

well what I found after seeing M´s and SLR´s, was that with SLR´s I worked more with design graphicaly, and image centered, wile with the M´s I worked more with moments and phisical expresion, design becomes more intuitive.

Thank´s for coments.

-- r watson (al1231234@hotmail.com), October 03, 2001

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Response to again... now some SLR´s, and personal coments

Thanks, Roberto

Very impressive and dramatic images, high professional level of composition...

I fill the influence and the scool of Magnum Group.

vr

-- Victor Randin (ved@enran.com.ua), October 03, 2001.


Response to again... now some SLR´s, and personal coments

The feeling was born with me, but yes they have infuenced about media. So sorry cake´s so small. Thank´s Victor

-- r watson (al1231234@hotmail.com), October 03, 2001.

Response to again... now some SLR´s, and personal coments

There you go again, great stuff!

-- wong kh (DOSI@maxis.net.my), October 03, 2001.

Response to again... now some SLR´s, and personal coments

Website, WEBsite, WEBSITE!

You have an impressive body of work that just cries out for becoming more publicly available, visitable and commentable. There's a bunch of hosts out there, willing to give webspace away for free. If you can live with the layout photonet is offering you can arrange your folders for a pre-show there. Go for it, Roberto! Cheers,

-- Lutz Konermann (lutz@konermann.net), October 03, 2001.

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Roberto:

Once again you have posted some wonderful photos! You really should consider exhibiting your body of work, perhaps in a gallery or a website. How about publishing a book with your 'street photography' pictures?...................

-- Muhammad Chishty (applemac97@aol.com), October 03, 2001.



Response to again... now some SLR´s, and personal coments

Superb! These are wonderful pictures! Thanks a lot for sharing these with us!!

-- Angelique (abischop@earthlink.net), October 03, 2001.

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Sorry to be a spoil sport, but you really should figure out how to use the clone tool in pshop to fix the dustspots + also use the transform/ rotate function to fix the rotated scans. Finally, what do any of these images have to do with Leica photography, which is the purpose of this forum?...

-- Andrew Nemeth (azn@nemeng.com), October 03, 2001.

Response to again... now some SLR´s, and personal coments

then again, what does 90% of photo.net have to do with photography? very compelling images .. if you had labeled them as Leica images you would quickly attain Salgado hero status and glorious praise for their bokeh, sharpness, pop, sparkle, and overall magical glow.

-- daniel taylor (lightsmythe@agalis.net), October 03, 2001.

Response to again... now some SLR´s, and personal coments

Images posted here don't have to be taken by Leica cameras. If the forum were that limiting, then we wouldn't have 15,000 messages! In my view, Roberto being interested enough in Leica Photography to be a visitor here is ample justification for him to be able to post photos taken with just about any street-style camera there is. As "brand-specific" as we are here, I don't like being that "brand-specific!" I'd much rather be "style-specific." And if the photographs presented here don't conform to the "Leica-Style," I don't know what does.

-- Tony Rowlett (rowlett@mail.com), October 03, 2001.

Response to again... now some SLR´s, and personal coments

Before being a convinced Leica photographer, as I am now, I pass through diferent brands and kind of cameras and lenses, as probably most of you did.

I could have write all these pictures as Leica photographs, and probably no one would dude it, but the fact is that they are not.

What they realy are, is my process of adopting a sistem acording to my kind of photography, and I thought I had explain it among this pictures.

So this are not leica pictures, but they can represent it, or at least a prosses of transformation.

-- r watson (al1231234@hotmail.com), October 03, 2001.



Response to again... now some SLR´s, and personal coments

Dear Watson,

Your pictures are nice. I also have an EF 20/2.8 and would like to see more pictures from your 20/2.8. I also use Leica M, Canon EOS and Olympus digicams. I think in general there are two styles of making 35mm pictures. Snap shots and pictures with tripod. It is not divided between Leica or non-Leica. When I feel like creative and would like to catch the moments, chasing interesting lights, shadows and composition I use EOS or the digicams because I can operate them quickly. Camera is the last thing one worries about when one is having a flow in one's creative mind and simultaneously has to consider composition, shadows, lights and the exact moment. My M with Noctilux is sometimes relatively slow to operate but I have many great moments with it doing available light snap shots. If I have a firm idea of what exactly I would like to take I will bring a tripod at certain time of the day then set it up slowly and make just exactly the few shots. I enjoy doing both. Having said that I must admit I only have seven months into this expensive hobby.

-- Damond Lam (damond_lam@hotmail.com), October 03, 2001.


Response to again... now some SLR´s, and personal coments

well yes it can be expensive Damond, but more expensive can be not have any memory.

About the way you use your equipment, I shall agree with you, even it happen exactly the oposite with me and my cameras; for example when I want to be fast I use the Leica M, when I need to use flash I use my Canon A1 and it´s dedicated flash, when copy work the canon or nikon, any way it is always awfull, when I don´t care what I do (like pictures of wathever that some one asked me to do) then I use an automatic camera, if I could send a robot I would be glad, if I want to be in control of every thing the Leica M is my choice.

You may say how can you be faster with a M than with an auto SLR, here I go

1)exposure: some times auto cameras help, but if you work much with contrasts as in black and white, meters can ba a pain, at least in my 80´s auto cameras.

2)Focus, auto focus can be great, but again if you´re working a picture with the point of focus in a corner, and shooting several times, I´m sure an autofocus is slower.

3)Black outs, I´ll tell you a story of how I became a only-leica photographer; it was 1999 and I was doing a personal proyect in my home town in Mexico, it was a documentary on the making up of a film, I just had one of my two M3 (the other one was in Leica NJ being repaired) and a 35/2.8 and 21/4 and other lenses that I didn´t use, and of course my Nikon FM and 24/2.8; all the proyect I did with the M3, the pictures were about moments and atitudes, thing for wich I needed to see the moment of exposure, well after two weeks and more than a hundred rolls taken, my M3 with it´s original seal, begun to fail, the problem lack of lub in the mecanism, after 44 years it fail, I was aware of it before, speeds were off from 250 and up, so I was using only 125 and slower since the begining of the proyect. well the M3 was off but I had a Nikon FM and a 24, and two days of work left, the first roll through the nikon and I was going crazy, I didn´t know what was I doing, and it went like this until the end, teen rolls of nothing, I couldn´t decide whent to stop shooting something or when I had capture what I was looking for, end up so fruasrated, that the following year I begun to sell some equipment and got a couple more of M bodies (two M4P) and six lenses, all used, exept the 50/2, and I did this because I heard rumors of Leica house closing down, hope they don´t, but for now I have leicas for my grand chidren.

4)weigth, durability, optical quality, reliability, I could write a book.

-- r watson (al1231234@hotmail.com), October 04, 2001.


Response to again... now some SLR´s, and personal coments

Great, Roberto! Grande ! !

IMHO the most important issue in your present contribution is that (after all about quality has been said) it clearly shows that the camera doesn't make the photographer.

I appreciate your statement that these are not Leica photos the same as much as Tony's statement that they don't have to be.

I hope this openminded attitude will lead us to show more images here than usual and I'll certainly be waiting for yours any time . . .!

Gracias !

-Iván

-- Iván Barrientos M (ingenieria@simltda.tie.cl), October 04, 2001.


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Sorry -- actually, I am again not sorry -- but Roberto is truly a great example of a great artist. It's something like I just said earier on today about photographers, but now I'm going to use the parallel I wanted to use earlier. Like about whether he used Leica or not (everybody here knows that he, too, is into Leica). It's like a truly great pianist like Glenn Gould (etc, etc, etc). Whether he played on a Steinway or not, who cares???

-- Michael Kastner (kastner@zedat.fu-berlin.de), October 04, 2001.

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I'm sorry but the emperor is naked. These photos are student level work--the printing is indifferent, the images lame. I did better photos than this when I was at RIT thirty-plus years ago. Personally, I would be ashamed to even show this stuff to anyone. Hell, they're not even spotted! To call this guy a "great artist", to compare these pix to those of Salgado---excuse me, but what are you all smoking!

-- Peter Hughes (ravenart@pacbell.net), October 04, 2001.


Response to again... now some SLR´s, and personal coments

Peter, reading your self-serving response brought this quote to mind:

If you can't get a compliment any other way, pay yourself one. -- Mark Twain

Clearly what we are all smoking is sweeter than the contents of your pipe.

-- Stuart Dorman (smdorman@qwest.net), October 04, 2001.


Response to again... now some SLR´s, and personal coments

Let's see if the italics are gone.

-- Mike Dixon (mike@mikedixonphotography.com), October 05, 2001.

Response to again... now some SLR´s, and personal coments

Fortunately, I'm ignorant and uneducated enough about photography that I'm able to appreciate Roberto's photos. Beautiful stuff. The first one doesn't really move me, but the others are quite good.

I was too busy looking at the content of the photos to pay much attention to the problems with the presentation. Sure, they could use a little cleaning up, but I enjoy Roberto's enthusiasm for showing them enough that I'm not inclined to give him a hard time about it.

-- Mike Dixon (mike@mikedixonphotography.com), October 05, 2001.


Response to again... now some SLR´s, and personal coments

Dear Mr. Watson,

I am not very fast with my M because the Noctilux is my main Leica lens. I am also not very fast with 75/1.4 which I have borrowed from a good friend. I am pretty fast with any lens with a focus tab (like 35/1.4 ASPH - my other lens). I use Canon for the telephoto, mainly with the L zooms, and occasionally the wide size (20/2.8).

I like reading your experience.

"weigth, durability, optical quality, reliability, I could write a book"

I would love to read. As I am both an amateur and beginner, I love to read and learn your stuff. Seriously.

-- Damond Lam (damond_lam@hotmail.com), October 07, 2001.


Response to again... now some SLR´s, and personal coments

Peter, certainly Roberto isn't a great artist, I don't know anyone on this list or elsewhere who is.

When are we going to see your superior snaps? I'm looking forward to it.

-- rob (rob@robertappleby.com), October 09, 2001.


Response to again... now some SLR´s, and personal coments

Hi, Roberto, I just got back from out of town, and I see there's a ton of new threads. I wanted to respond to yours first.

I love your pictures! I think you are a true Leica photographer, even when you are shooting with a Canon or Nikon. This is because you capture the sponteneity that, although best done with a Leica, in your hands can be done with any camera.

Keep it up.

Regards, Bob.

-- Bob Fleischman (RFXMAIL@prodigy.net), October 10, 2001.


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