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This is a copy of a message posted here a couple of days ago that has been removed since - see previous posting. I have removed the original names and addresses as a privacy consideration.

Please circulate new call- note additional endorsers A Call to Join a New Anti-War Coalition: International A.N.S.W.E.R. (Act Now to Stop War & End Racism) Please join us in signing this call: We join with people all over the world in condemning the horrific killings of thousands of persons in the September 11th attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Our most heartfelt sympathies and condolences are with those whose loved ones were lost or injured on September 11, 2001. At this moment, we would all like to take time to reflect, to grieve, to extend sympathy and condolences to all. But we believe that we must do more. We must act now. We are assembling International A.N.S.W.E.R. to call for worldwide rallies against war and racism. On September 29, there will be a national march and rally at the White House in Washington DC, as well as marches on the West Coast of the U.S. and around the world. We call on all people of conscience and progressive organizations to take up this call and organize rallies around the world. Unless we stop President Bush and NATO from carrying out a new, wider war in the Middle East, the number of innocent victims will grow from the thousands to the tens of thousands and possibly more. A new, wider U.S. and NATO war in the Middle East can only lead to an escalating cycle of violence. War is not the answer. We must also act against racism. Arab American and Muslim people in the United States, in Europe and elsewhere, as well as other communities of color, are facing racist attacks and harassment in their communities, on their jobs and at mosques. Anti-Arab and anti-Muslim racism is a poison that should be repudiated. The U.S. government is attempting to curb civil liberties and to create a climate in which it is impossible for progressive people to speak their mind. The Bush administration is attempting to take advantage of this crisis to militarize U.S. society with a vast expansion of police powers that is intended to severely restrict basic democratic rights. On September 29, tens of thousands of people had planned to demonstrate against the Bush administration's reactionary foreign and domestic policy and the IMF and World Bank. In light of the current crisis, with its tragic consequences for so many thousands of people, we have refocused the call for our demonstration to address the immediate danger posed by increased racism and the grave threat of a new war. We call on people to demonstrate around the world on that day. Now is the time for all people of conscience, all people who oppose racism and war to come together. If you believe in civil liberties and oppose racism and war, demonstrate on September 29 in front of the White House and around the world. October 12-13 will be International Days of Action Against War and Racism. We urge all organizations internationally to join together at this critical time and take action. Initial Signers: Ramsey Clark, former U.S. Attorney General Bishop Thomas Gumbleton, Auxiliary Bishop, Catholic Archdiocese of Detroit Al-Awda, New York and New Jersey Barbara Lubin, Exec. Director, Middle East Childrens Alliance Jews Against the Occupation Rev. Lucius Walker, Pastors for Peace Karen Talbot, International Center for Peace & Justice Committee for a Democratic Palestine Ben DuPuy, former deputy ambassador at large, Haiti Teresa Gutierrez, Co-Director, International Action Center Nania Kaur Dhingra, Sikh Student Organization, George Washington University Martin Espada, Poet Michele Naar-Obed, Plowshares activist, Jonah House, Baltimore Pam Africa, International Family & Friends of Mumia Abu-Jamal Wolfgang Richter, President, European Peace Forum Nino Pasti Foundation, Rome, Italy African Immigrant and Refugee Coalition of N. America Dominican Workers Party, NY Chuck Kaufman, National Co-Coordinator, Nicaragua Network Ray LaForest, Labor Organizer, 1707 AFSCME Heidi Boghosian, Executive Director, National Lawyers Guild Tom Hanson, Mexico Solidarity Network Kriss Worthington, Berkeley City Council Leonora Foerstal, Women for Mutual Security Asha A. Samad, Human Rights Center April 25 Movement of the Dominican Republic, NY Njeri Shakur, Texas Death Penalty Abolition Movement Michel Shehadeh, Los Angeles 8 Case Respondent Muslim Student & Faculty Association Leslie Feinberg, Transgendered author, Co-Founder, Rainbow Flags for Mumia Kadouri Al Kaysi, Committee in Support of Iraqi People, NY Minnie Bruce Pratt, writer and ant-racist activist Vieques Support Campaign Mahtowin Munro & Moonanum James, United American Indians of New England SAFRAD Somali Association Arab Cause Solidarity Committee, Madrid, Spain Korea Truth Commission Congress for Korean Reunification Michel Collon, Belgium Anti-War Journalist Elmar Schmaehling, Retired Admiral, German Navy Struggle Against War Coalition, Italy Sakhi for South Asian Women Women for Afghan Women International A.N.S.W.E.R. (Act Now to Stop War & End Racism) National Office: 39 W. 14 St., #206, NY, NY 10011 (212) 633-6646 Washington DC Office: 1247 E St. SE, Washington, DC 20003 (202) 543-2777 To make a financial donation please go to: ------------------ Send replies to This is the IAC announcement list. Anyone can subscribe by sending any message to To unsubscribe (name and address removed)

Answers In other words, turn the other cheek, hand the terrorists a whip so they can render our backs raw, if we were animals, pull in our tails between our hind legs and run for the nearest hole in the ground. WE WERE ATTACKED. 5,000 INNOCENT PEOPLE WERE SLAUGhTERED. How does a proud, self-relient, self-respcting, peaceful people react to a such a barbarian rape? What planet do these loonies live on? -- Wellesley (, September 20, 2001. Some story, some attitude. Talk about pacifists? This is carrying it to ridiculous extreme. What a bunch of revolting tripe. (name and address removed)

I read drivel like this and it only makes me want to regurgitate at the thought that so many of my fellow Americans, despite anything that can happen to them, can be this far out, can have be so reality-deficient, be so unstable that they have both feet firmly planted in mid-air. (name and address removed)

The replies to this thoughtful piece are anything but "peaceful". They demonstrate the kind of violent attitude that characterizes United States' behavior around the world. Writers who talk of our country and peaceloving in the same sentence are naive or ingenuous. This country is violent at its core. This nation has for over 150 years, systematically slaughtered native peoples, stolen their land, and physically stolen their children so they could be re-educated in "white" schools. This nation is the only nation that has used nuclear weapons to murder hundreds of thousands of civilians in order to force a government to negotiate. This government is responsible for immeasurable suffering among the civilians of Iraq right now, because of the destruction our bombs wrought on the Iraqi infrastructure, and because of the continuing embargoes this country supports. (name and address removed)

From the standpoint of the great eastern military classic, The Art of War, the attack on the trade center was brilliant. It built on all the strengths of a small opponent and took advantage of all the weaknesses of a large opponent. To charge into any kind of conflict without careful analysis and preparation is the hallmark of the amateur. Threats smack either of amateurism or impotence. The Art of Strategy speaks of the only kind of conflict one should ever engage in-- one that is won before it is even begun. None of the "war" talk in the media, in Congress, or on this list comes even close. The U.S. government-- congressmen and the President-- is behaving exactly like a bully that gets beaten up for a change. Our government is still a bully. No violent action taken by our violent government in the aftermath of the trade center destruction holds any righteousness. It is just more violence. As the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. pointed out, "An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind." (name and address removed)

-- clivus (, September 21, 2001


I had to write another email just like this to an adhoc email group earlier today.... We are a country of different opinions - in honor of our freedom please let us respect that. There are those who argue against war as well as for, and I personally am proud that we can witness this. There are a heck of a lot of places where this couldn't happen. Whatever your opinion, a reasoned response requires a thought process to get there.

That said, there is no patiotic excuse for abusive statements. That's at best bad manners, at worst proof that the writer has limited grey available. And it is ALWAYS destructive.

-- Celia (, September 21, 2001.

This is a copy of a message posted here a couple of days ago that has been removed since - see previous posting. I have removed the original names and addresses as a privacy consideration.

So in the name of free speech you repost it, with some of the replies -- BUT -- you removed the post (reply) about just who IAC is, and what Ramsey Clark has been about these last 35+ years.

Free speech?

Communist and war criminals, and anything anti-US are Ramsey Clark's (and the IAC) "constituents", not the US people.

All on has to do is do a search of web of Ramsey Clark.

If that's too much trouble, just look closely at the signatures on the petition above.


-- Jackson Brown (, September 21, 2001.

I did not remove any of the replies/answers. I simply removed the names and addresses from underneath the answers because I did not want to seem to be posting something in someone else's name (seemed to be the polite thing).

Obviously there were some further answers posted between the time I read it (and saved in my browser cache) and the time it was removed. Let's not jump to conclusions here - for all I know it may have been removed for some technical reason (like too many answers posted).

-- clivus (, September 21, 2001.

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