Brethren:

On August 15th, 2001, in a thread entitled, “A People of the Book???” the question was asked, by Brother Danny Gabbard, if we are still a “people of the book” as we once were known for being. And I contended that we were and suggested that we begin an effort to give expositions upon the books of the Bible in this forum and that it be an organized and coordinated effort. And almost immediately received agreement from brother Faris who suggested wisely that this effort should be directed or “moderated” by the “New Sheriff”, Brother Danny Gabbard, as he is one who is highly qualified and is in such a position to do so. And he also wisely suggested Brother Benjamin Rees and Brother Sam Lovall as worthy and competent men to be included in such an endeavor. Which suggestion I concurred was a good one. And then Brother Davis came in and through the use of controversy over “expository preaching and issues about who is a false teacher etc. sought to derail any attempt to actually take this suggestion seriously. So, again, on the 23rd of August I started a thread entitled “A Christian Exposition of the Books of the Bible” and again offered this suggestion that we pursue the good work of giving expositions of the books of the Bible in this forum. And again received ONE response from our good sister D. Lee Muse who has demonstrated constantly and consistently a great love for the truth of God’s word and the will to defend it from all attempts at compromise with error. And that makes a total of THREE people, two other than myself, who have indicated any desire whatsoever to see such a work done in this forum, which is a forum of a people who lays claim to being a people of the book! And in my last attempt I stated my belief, which I still hold stubbornly to, that we are in fact a “people of the book” and that my brethren have not responded because they are busy. But now, though I still believe that these brethren are a people of the book. I am concerned that so few have ventured to even comment expressing even the slightest support for this noble suggestion that we study the word of God in this fashion in this forum which is for the “people of the book”.

Now, it may very well be that every one assumes that the support for such an endeavor goes “without saying” among a people of the book. And I would heartily agree that this might be the case. But we are seeking to encourage a coordinated or joint effort. We seek the joint efforts of competent and regular writers in this forum who have come to the defense of truth in several debates in this forum. We are asking that we all join together and make this work one that would be useful and informative to our many readers and lurkers in this forum so that they might learn more of GOD’S WILL and be turned from the fables taught by men.

Therefore, Brethren, I ask one more time that which I have sought since the 15th of August 200. Please indicate your support for such an effort in this forum. Let us go through the entire Bible using a clear and effective but simple plan. And let our readers who “lurk” here follow along with us reading from the word of God. Let us, in this way, actually contribute toward the increase of the number of the “people of the book” that have come to love it, and abide by it. Because the words in the Bible come from GOD and are the doctrine of Christ that is designed to save our souls from death. Was not Timothy told, “These things command and teach. Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity. Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.” (1 Timothy 11-13). And Again he said, “Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all. Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.” (1 Timothy 4:15,16). And again we are told that Paul admonished Timothy, “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane [and] vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.” (2 Timothy 2:15-20). And does not Peter say, “And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge…” (2 Peter 1:5). And at the end of his list of things that we should add to our faith, one of which is KNOWLEDGE, he says: “For if these things be in you, and abound, they make [you that ye shall] neither [be] barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know [them], and be established in the present truth.” (2 Peter 1:8-12). So, Brethren, we now have THREE, Brother Faris, Sister D. Lee Muse and myself. That would like to see us study the word of God by having regular expositions of the books of the Bible following a reasonable plan of study until all of the books of the Bible are covered in this forum within a reasonable lengthy of time. The details of how we would accomplish this can be discussed and worked out but first we are seeking to find “overwhelming” support from this “people of the book” in this forum for such an endeavor.

If we cannot find those who would like to participate in a joint effort to do these things then we shall be compelled to make some attempt to do them ourselves. But before doing such we seek to make this an effort that we all can fellowship in doing as Brothers in Christ. Its design is to edify the body of Christ and strengthen those who serve him faithfully and to deter the many false doctrines that arise from ignorance of the word of God. Brethren this is a good work! It is a desperately needed work in our day as well. Is it not possible for us to work together in doing it? If you would like to see this done in this forum please respond to at least give your support for such a work even if you cannot personally participate in doing it. At least voice your will that such an expository study of God’s word be done in this forum.

Your Brother in Christ,

E. Lee Saffold

-- Anonymous, September 03, 2001

Answers

E. Lee, My apologies for not answering sooner. My mother went in the hospital on Aug. 15 for hip replacement surgery. I slept at the hospital for the first few nights. Then I have spent my time going back and forth to the hospital daily (50 min each way). Now she is finally home and I have time to catch up. Jack needed to go for a bone scan and other tests to be sure the cancer has not spread as well.

I agree wholeheartedly that this would be a worthy endeavor indeed. If you remember, I suggested to you last March before we left for our 2 month cross country trip, that such expositions would be a valuable teaching/learning aid. I have benefitted greatly from the writings in this forum. I also tell others to read what is discussed here. It is such a wonderful way to touch people's lives.

-- Anonymous, September 03, 2001

Sister Cynthia:

You have said:

“E. Lee, My apologies for not answering sooner.”

There is no need for any “apologies”. Especially from one such as yourself who has asked often for this kind of study to be done in this forum. In fact, you are one of the main reasons that I am trying to encourage such a work in this forum. It is Christians like you who are hungering and thirsting for more knowledge of the truth from God’s eternal word that move me to want to work hard to provide the teaching of God’s word that is so much the desire of your faithful heart. I thank you very much for taking the time, during such difficulties of life which you have been facing, to ask us to have some Christian exposition of God’s word in an organized study in this forum. I believe, along with you, that such is a good work that we should be doing in this forum and on the Internet in general.

Then you say:

“ My mother went in the hospital on Aug. 15 for hip replacement surgery.”

I am sorry to hear of her troubles and I pray fervently that God will be with her through it all. I know that she too is a new Christian and that she would also benefit from the kind of study that we are talking about. Please let her know that I am aware of her suffering and also of her faith in God and that I will be praying for her. And that by God’s grace we will soon begin to provide some expositions of the word of God for her benefit as well as for the benefit of hundreds of others like her who love the truth.

Then you say:

“ I slept at the hospital for the first few nights. Then I have spent my time going back and forth to the hospital daily (50 min each way).”

This is the kind of exercise and practice of our love for one another and our faith in Christ that we should follow. You could not be doing anything more important than following the teachings of Christ in the loving care of your faithful mother. I thank God for you and the example of your faith in these things.

Then you say:

“Now she is finally home and I have time to catch up. Jack needed to go for a bone scan and other tests to be sure the cancer has not spread as well.”

It is interesting to note that you are caring for her even when she is home and yet you have “time to catch up”. May God grant that the body of Christ should be filled with those who though they have such important duties and tiring responsibilities they always find the “time to catch up” on spiritual things related to knowing and understanding God’s word. It is my prayer that we will, in our busy days, find time to TEACH IT! I want you to tell Jack that I am always praying for him and that I said “semper fi”!

Then you say:

“I agree wholeheartedly that this would be a worthy endeavor indeed.”

I knew before this suggestion was made that you would consider such a “worthy endeavor”. For I do indeed remember the email that you sent to me back in March of this year suggesting this very thing. And you may be interested to know that in June of this year several others sent emails requesting the very same thing that you requested. You were the first one to make this suggestion to me and you were in my mind when I made it to the forum. In fact, some others wrote to me suggesting these things and one of them even mentioned that they thought you would be interested. They did not know that you had already told me of your interest that such should be a part of this forum.

Then you say:

“ If you remember, I suggested to you last March before we left for our 2 month cross country trip, that such expositions would be a valuable teaching/learning aid.”

Indeed I do remember it and will never forget it. Your suggestion moved me when I first heard it and it is moving me still. And by the grace of God I intend to provide some of this myself. It is just my thought that more can be done in a more efficient and effective way if my brethren who write regularly in this forum would join in the effort. So that more ground can be covered in less time and that we can have an organized effort that would produce more meaningful and helpful results. The resources available from all of the preachers out there who are faithful to the truth are enormous. And it would be just wonderful to see the results of a deliberate effort to give a complete exposition of every word in the Bible in this forum in an organized fashion suitable for study and reflection of every faithful Christian who reads this forum.

I know the purpose of your two-month cross county trip and I trust that the trip was all that both you and Jack had hoped that it would be. I would like very much to hear about how it went.

Then you say:

“ I have benefitted greatly from the writings in this forum.”

You are kind to say this to us and we are thankful that such is the case and pray that we may ever be able to benefit our brothers and sisters in Christ and edify the body of Christ in the most Holy Faith.

And you say:

“ I also tell others to read what is discussed here. It is such a wonderful way to touch people's lives.”

I know that it is true that you tell others about the forum and I am happy to know that you are aware that we are in fact not only “touching peoples lives” but that we are teaching then the way to eternal life in Christ our Lord. And this is all the more reason that we should focus our efforts on giving an exposition of the “Whole counsel of God" which is taught in his blessed and Holy Word.

I thank God for you always for your faith in Christ, Sister Cynthia.

Your Brother in Christ,

E. Lee Saffold

-- Anonymous, September 04, 2001

E. Lee,

You stated, And then Brother Davis came in and through the use of controversy over “expository preaching and issues about who is a false teacher etc. sought to derail any attempt to actually take this suggestion seriously.

Yes, E. Lee, you are correct -- I posted here specifically to derail your attempt to do an exposition on the books of the Bible. Being such a fine liberal, I just couldn't bear the fact that some might read your excellent expositions on the Bible. Oh, whoa is me, I've been found out by the great and pompous E. Lee!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Anonymous, September 04, 2001

Brother Davis:

You have accurately quoted my words as follows:

“E. Lee, You stated, And then Brother Davis came in and through the use of controversy over “expository preaching and issues about who is a false teacher etc. sought to derail any attempt to actually take this suggestion seriously.”

And I made this statement based upon your objection to expository teaching or preaching which was found in your following words, which I quote from the thread entitled “a people of the book”:

“Since I've been out of school I've done quite a bit of study in this area. The problem is, I don't find anything close to Expository Preaching in the Bible. In fact, it is almost all topical/textual. In addition, especially the preaching of Jesus, is more inductive than deductive. If we are a "People of the Book" why do we emphasize something that is not modeled in the Book?”

You falsely claimed that you could not find “anything close to expository preaching in the Bible”.

And therefore our statement that you were opposed to our “emphasizing” in that thread something that you falsely claimed was not “modeled in the Book”. We showed conclusively, as did others beside ourselves, that you were pathetically wrong about your false assertion that expository preaching was not found in “the BOOK”.

We then gave a lengthy reply showing that expository teaching was found in the Bible and we will only quote a portion of that reply to show that it was indeed given as follows:

“Now let us look at his claim. Did Jesus Christ our Lord ever preach in an expository way? “And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he gave [it] again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Joseph's son?” ) (Luke 4:15-22). Now Brethren this is a model of Jesus preaching in the method of reading from the scripture and then giving and explanation of its meaning. And this passage says it was “His custom” to do this. Notice that the Scroll of Isaiah was given to him. He read from it and many gracious words proceeded out of his mouth concerning it. I know that because we have recorded the portion of scripture that he read so would say this is a “textual sermon” and not expository. But this would be nothing more than a foolish and pathetic quibble. For the concept of expository preaching and the “taking of a text” upon which one would explain the word of God is very mild difference. If we take every passage in the word of God and read it, sit down and explain it and speak many gracious words concerning it then we will have done what Jesus surely modeled for us. And when one does expository preaching he does just what Christ did here. He reads a portion of the scriptures and then many “gracious words concerning it proceeds from the preachers mouth. Call it what you will but in this place Jesus modeled what happens in expository preaching. And only an idiot would fail to see it.”

Now, our readers can go to that thread and read for themselves your opposition to expository preaching on the grounds that you could not find “anything like it in the Bible” and our responses to you. And there they will see that you had no response at all to our arguments, which demonstrated conclusively that Jesus Christ our Lord gave expository lessons from the word of God. And others also gave good evidence to show that expository preaching could be found in the Bible. But you, as is your habit, simply ran away and ignored our arguments.

Then you say:

“Yes, E. Lee, you are correct”

Yes, and I am happy that you recognize that we are correct concerning the need for expository preaching. It may be that this is the reason you had no response to our arguments. Then you admit, it what appears to be a “facetious” manner, the truth that you posted here specifically to derail our attempt to do an exposition of the books of the Bible. As follows:

“ -- I posted here specifically to derail your attempt to do an exposition on the books of the Bible.”

“We have not read one single word of support from you for this idea of having expositions of the books of the Bible in this forum. And inasmuch as you have even spoken words in opposition to the idea of our “emphasis” on expository preaching which you falsely claimed could not be found in the Bible. It surely does appear that “derailing”our efforts in this regard was indeed your intent and now you have facetiously admitted that which most certainly seems to be the truth in this case. If you are not opposed to this idea then why not write some words indicating that you are in agreement with and support the idea of having expositions of the Books of the Bible in this forum. You have not said anything other than to oppose the idea that expository preaching is scriptural and right.

Then you say:

“Being such a fine liberal”

Well, Brother Davis, I have told you before that it is not my habit to use relative and confusing terms such as “liberal” and “conservative” in reference to my brethren. I prefer to use the more scriptural terminology of “faithful” and unfaithful”. And in reference to you I have accurately described your doctrines as being false and you as being unfaithful to the Christ in teaching that which is contrary to the doctrine of Christ. But I have never once called you “liberal” that is your choice of words and not mine. But you have every right to refer to yourself as such if that is how you perceive yourself to be. But do not try to make me the “author” of your own words.

Then you say:

“ I just couldn't bear the fact that some might read your excellent expositions on the Bible.”

Now, in this as well as the other threads I was not speaking of “MY EXPOSITIONS” of the Bible. But rather I was encouraging all of us to write expositions on the Bible in a joint effort to do a good work. And none, least of all myself, has stated that “E. Lee Saffold’s” expositions of the Bible are “excellent”. In fact, he considers them far inferior to that which he has read from many able and excellent writers who are faithful servants of God. And would expect that his expositions would be inferior in many ways to those who have better natural gifts and superior opportunities for excellent and well rounded education. And there are many such persons writing in this forum. But you can rest assured that E. Lee Saffold’s feeble attempts at writing expositions of the scriptures are most assuredly superior to the blank pages offered by those with superior talents and education. Those who are talented and educated but too lazy or preoccupied with things they consider to be of higher importance to even put their superior talent, education to work giving expositions of the scriptures. What ever I write is at least somewhat better and a bit more useful than the words that they do not write. So, my “expositions of the scriptures”, though inferior to what others of superior talent and educational attainments could write, are at least available to be of some use. While the far superior writers have given us nothing of any use for they refuse to even make the attempt to do so. It is these that I am trying to encourage to write expositions of the word of God.

Then you say:

“ Oh, whoa is me, I've been found out by the great and pompous E. Lee!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

Well, Brother Davis, it is indeed your right to hold this unjustified high opinion of me. But I do not see myself in the exalted place, which you have placed me. There is nothing “great” about E. Lee Saffold. And whether he is “pompous” or not I will leave to our readers to judge for themselves. But in this thread as well as two other threads I have been trying to encourage my brethren in this forum to join with me in an effort to provide expositions of the books of the Bible for our readers. And for the life of me I just cannot see anything “pompous” or wrong in any way to encourage such activity. I cannot understand why anyone would be opposed to such an idea unless their favorite false doctrines have something to fear from such activity. But, you have no reason to expect any consequences from anyone in this forum for your false teaching, other than our replies to your errors. What you must fear is the judgement of God, which is sure to come upon those who deliberately oppose his word and the teaching of the one true gospel of Christ. For those who teach contrary to the gospel are to be anathema. (Galatians 1:8,9). So, your expression of “WOE” applies but not because you have been “found out” by E. Lee Saffold but rather because God has always known and is ever watching your pernicious ways. And Christ said, “he that rejecteth me and RECEIVETH NOT MY WORD hath on that judgeth him. The words which I have spoken the same shall judge him in the last day” (John 12:48). And this is the very word that I am urging us to study in an expository way and which you oppose not only in your false doctrines concerning baptism but also in your opposition to expository teaching of the word of God which we have evidence above.

Brethren:

Again, I ask for your comments concerning this idea of writing expositions on the word of God in this forum. And you can see from the above nonsense, written by Brother Davis, just why it is that I seek to ensure that this is a joint effort instead of nothing more than the feeble efforts of one E. Lee Saffold. But if I am the only one willing to do this, regardless of how talented or capable others might think that I am for such a task. I will at least do my best and pray that God will bless the effort. For surely God would have to help me if none others will. But, especially in the face of not only “apathy” but also this pathetic outright “opposition” I am even more strongly convinced of the great need of such an effort in this forum.

Your Brother in Christ,

E. Lee Saffold

-- Anonymous, September 05, 2001

Gentlemen,

There are those out here who would benefit greatly from this proposal and studying the Word of God with you. Is there not any response out there?? Danny? Mark? Sam? Scott? John? James?

-- Anonymous, September 07, 2001

D. Lee....I know as a Preacher....the preception is that we "only work one day a week."

I can't speak for the the other men.....but let me share what I am currently doing.

At present....I am teaching a total of 4 college classes. That's a total of 5 hours per week in the classroom. That means...at minimum....it takes me about 10 hours per week in preparation. Add to that....grading of quizzes, tests, papers, etc. In addition.....there are 3 hours of travel time involved in travel to one campus where I teach......plus 30 minutes spent in chapel. So just in college work alone.......there is a minimum of 19 hours a week tied up.

In addition to this.....I preach a minimum of 2 sermons a week. There goes.....an average of 8-10 hours per week.

Now.....add to this the calling, the hospital, the counseling, the meetings....I think that alone has my plate....respectfully full.

But that's not all...in addition....I have a part-time taxidermy business.....which leaves a certain amount of free time left.

And that "free" time is tenaciously guarded for my wife and two boys I still have at home. I've been married almost 25 years....and plan on going for another 25.

It is always easy to judge others from our own view point of time....but the old adage of "walking a mile in someone else's shoes"....certainly applies here.

There is one name that you mentioned....who is currently involved in a relocation process. I think he has a good excuse.

Respectfully submitted,

-- Anonymous, September 07, 2001

Brother Danny:

You have said:

“D. Lee....I know as a Preacher....the preception is that we "only work one day a week."”

Neither D. Lee nor myself are among those who hold to the perception that preachers “only work one day a week” and I for one am thankful to God for the work that you do and I can see that your plate is surely FULL of good things. It was not our intent in this thread to imply that those who do not have the time to be involved in this work were neither interested in it nor supportive of it in any way. What we have sought is for those who can make time to do this work to volunteer and join with us in doing it. And also for those who do not have the time for writing these expositions directly themselves, at the very least, to express their support for the idea that it is a good work that should be done. Are you at least willing to express support for the idea of our having Christian expositions of the word of God in this forum? I believe that Sister Muse was, as was I, concerned that so few of the people that we know to be a “people of the book” have expressed their support for such a study of the Book in this forum.

When I made this suggestion I was more than aware that several good and faithful men, such as you, are so busy faithfully and diligently doing the Lord’s work that they would not necessarily have sufficient time at the moment to contribute. But such an effort as the one, which I have proposed, would take a long time to complete and it is possible that in the future you might find time to actually participate in the effort. But even if you did not would you not at least support the idea that those good and faithful Christian men who can now find some time to do it would be doing a good work in the writing Christian Expositions of the word of God for our edification?

We are not asking that everyone “volunteer” to do this work. We are only asking that those who are faithful Christians express support for the idea of having such a work ongoing in this forum. For, as you can imagine, it is a difficult and hard work that would require hours of study, research, and thought. And would you not agree that those who would be involved in such a work should be laboring in an encouraging environment among their faithful Brethren?

Then you say:

“And that "free" time is tenaciously guarded for my wife and two boys I still have at home. I've been married almost 25 years....and plan on going for another 25.”

None of us would ever hope to take any time away from your family. Jenny has shown herself in this forum to be one who is faithful to Christ and his word. And we are convinced that she would especially support the idea of regular expositions on the word of God in this forum in an organized and studious manner. And we know that you are faithfully doing all that you can for Christ I the work that you do and we cannot expect that you would be burdened with more. But would it not be a good thing for your family in “their spare time” to be able to read some expositions of the word of God in this forum? No man in his right mind would want to fail to have the opportunity to spend yet another 25 years with a faithful Christian wife such as Jenny most assuredly is. For such faithful women who love our Lord and the truth of His word are rare these days! And we would not expect you to do any more good work than you are currently doing and we thank God for the good that you are doing and support you in our prayers for evey good work which we know that you do. We are simply asking for some expression of support for this good work that we are proposing to do? Is that not reasonable?

Then you say:

“It is always easy to judge others from our own view point of time....but the old adage of "walking a mile in someone else's shoes"....certainly applies here.”

Brother Danny, we are not “judging” those who do not have time to actually be involved in this work. And we can see that “walking a mile” in your shoes would quite likely make us all extremely tired and equally unwilling to take on any more obligations. But your current obligations do not prevent you from expressing support for this idea and those who are able to engage in this activity, does it? This was our concern. Is it not sad that we have not received immediate numerous expressions of support among the preachers who write in this forum for the idea of regular expositions of God’s word in this forum?

Then you say:

“There is one name that you mentioned....who is currently involved in a relocation process. I think he has a good excuse.”

Indeed, he does “have a good excuse” but does he have any good encouragement for those who would like to see such expositions of God’s word in this forum and those who are willing and able to write such? I would hope so, wouldn’t you?

WE are more than aware that not all of our brethren who contribute to this forum are able to commit to actual direct participation in such an activity. But are they unable to even so much as express support for the idea of allowing those who have the time to write expositions of the word of God in this forum to do so? This is what we are seeking. We are seeking three things. 1) An expression of agreement with the idea of writing an organized and complete exposition of the word of God in this forum. 2) Volunteers among those who are able and willing to commit themselves to the accomplishment of such a task, 3) and one to be designated to coordinate this organized effort. Now, since we know that you cannot be actually involved in it can you at least express agreement with the idea of doing it? And are you willing, as the sheriff, to designate one who would take the responsibility to coordinate the execution of such a project?

Or, are we in a position that we must do this task ourselves in our own way with not even a word of support for such an endeavor and no fellowship with our brethren at all in the effort? If we must do this we shall do it but this is a great opportunity for a significant “joint participation” in a much needed and good work in the name of Christ our Lord. Is it not shameful that we cannot even receive expressions of support for the good work we propose?

I am convinced that you would agree that such a work would be a good work especially if we joined hands to do it together. But even though you are too busy to be involved in it, would you not agree that it is a good work for those Christians writing in this forum to do together? I sincerely hope so.

Your Brother in Christ,

E. Lee Saffold

-- Anonymous, September 07, 2001

Danny,

I also know of the perception that people have concerning the work schedule of those who preach. I am not one of them. And I hope now you know that about me. I have volunteered for about three years as the secretary at my local congregation, and just recently have been “hired” or “paid” to do the same work I was doing for those three or so years. I absolutely know what the time constraints are that are placed on you guys!!

I too was concerned as E. Lee says that almost NO support was given to this idea. I DO understand not finding enough time in a day to get the things done that we need to and the necessity of guarding time for your family.

I wasn’t judging Danny, only wondering why almost NONE had even said anything about this idea. And if you mean by “walking a mile in someone else’s shoes” understanding what they do, how long it takes, the hours and effort spent in preparing, the many times that time with family is lost due to ministry, emergencies, and crisis…I know of what you speak.

It just seemed really strange to me that few of you said anything at all…almost felt like I was in the “Twilight Zone”.

Anyway…It is STILL a great idea that many will benefit from…are any of you guys up for it????

-- Anonymous, September 07, 2001

I believe there is a lot of merit in this idea, but for me, as for others, time is the problem.

I work 30 hours plus as a campus minister here at IUP. We are starting a congregation here in Indiana, PA, so you add sermon prep time (about 10 hours each week), time planning the service, some calling, and our bi-weekly coffeehouse (which will take 8 houres each night we hold the coffeehouse, and additional time planning for folks to come and share) and it all adds up quickly. I am also working part- time to bring in a few extra bucks, since the missions giving for the work at IUP and the new congregation hasn't been that great, and whew! Where does the time go?

-- Anonymous, September 08, 2001

Brethren:

I want to express my great thankfulness to those of you who have stated your support for the idea of having an organized study of the word of God in this forum. And also for those “lurkers” who have written me e-mails with words of encouragement and support for this idea. I thank God for you and your deep interest in the word of God, Whose word is not only the source of our faith in Christ but also our only rule of faith and practice in the body of Christ. “Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God” (Romans 10:17) and it stands to reason that our faith will increase in direct proportion with our hearing, understanding, accepting and obeying the Word of God. The Holy Spirit influences and guides us through His inspired words and for that reason we must “listen to God” as much if not more than we “talk to God” in prayer. Our spiritual life cannot develop and will never be truly acceptable to God unless it is completely guided and directed by the Will of God expressed in the word of God. Thus this endeavor to give a complete exposition of the word of God in this forum is calculated to greatly increase and strengthen our faith in God.

Therefore for the above reason as well and many others which we hope will become apparent in the process of teaching God’s word it is time now to turn this “idea” into a determined and diligent “endeavor”. And we have now decided after prayer and contemplation to begin this good work. We are aware that many good, wise, and competent men who write in this forum are overwhelmed with other obligations and therefore cannot begin with us in this endeavor. But we shall begin alone and pray that as these good brethren fulfil their obligations they may in the future find time to join with us in this work. I will take on the task of beginning this work and coordinating my own efforts and should any of those who are far more capable than myself to do this work desire to participate I will welcome them. But I will continue to coordinate this effort until it reaches its objective of providing expositions of all of the Books of the Bible. I hope that you will pray for this work and this endeavor and will sincerely desire that we shall be successful in it.

I will begin by writing a thread to explain the overall plan that we will follow in accomplishing this task. I am not in the least bit concerned with the time it will take to complete the task and will ask that God will grant us the energy, wisdom, and strength to continue until the work is done. We will let all form their own opinions of the value of our work for we care only that it will be worthy of and acceptable to our Lord Jesus Christ whom we serve and Love. And we pray that those who have never understood the gospel and the truth as it is found in God’s word will see that Christ is our only hope. And that they will come to him in humble obedience to the gospel of Christ. And we pray that our brethren will be uplifted, edified and strengthened in the Most Holy Faith, which was once for all delivered by the Holy Spirit to the saints. (Jude 3; Heb. 2:3,4) And that much of the pernicious errors and perversions of the truth of the doctrine of Christ will be thwarted by our “adding to our faith… KNOWLEDGE” of God’s word so that we can easily see when the doctrines and commandments of men come into conflict with it and we can recognize all perversions of it. For by this means only can we “continue steadfastly in the apostles doctrine” as did the faithful saints in the church while she was being guided directly by “Holy men of God” who spoke “as the spirit gave them utterance”. (Acts 2:42). And by these words the Lord “added to the church daily such as should be saved” (Acts 2:47). May He continue to add to the body of Christ and may the numbers of the lost diminish!

Thus, in the beginning of this work let us remember what Paul did when he warned the brethren at Ephesus that false teachers would enter in among them not sparing the flock. He knew what would protect them so he said, “And now brethren I commend you to God and the WORD OF HIS GRACE which is able to build you up and give you an inheritance among all them that are sanctified”. (Acts 20:32). This is what we intend to commend to you by giving regular expositions of this very “word of his Grace”. And this we do with the highest hope and prayer that you will so benefit from our study of it that you will indeed be “built up” in the Most Holy Faith. So that one day you can receive this wonderful “inheritance” and be counted among the saints of God in the last day when Christ shall judge us according to His very word. For he said, “he that rejecteth me and receiveth not my words hath one that judgeth him. THE WORD that I have spoken the same shall judge him in the last day.” (John 12:48).

And we ask only that our faithful Brethren will approach God in prayer on our behalf, as we begin this important endeavor. And request that he will grant us wisdom, strength, and the will to persevere until we accomplish this in His service and that our readers will be blessed through it. For does not James say, “If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all [men] liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.” (James 1:5). And does he not also promise through the inspired James, “But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.” (James 1:25). Please do pray for us in this work for by God’s grace and help it shall be done!

Your Brother in Christ,

E. Lee Saffold.

-- Anonymous, September 08, 2001

Greetings E. Lee! I think your idea is a great one! I would love to be able to read and maybe participate in an expository study of the scriptures. Lately, now that school is back in session, I too am very busy and seem to read in the forum only sporadically at best. Maybe if you could "flesh out" some ideas or suggestions as to the practical side i.e. how, specifically, this endevour would be accomplished, there might be more excitement expressed. Would those involved read certain chapters/books then ask questions and discuss thoughts with an assigned "expositor?" Many of us are involved in this type of study on Sunday AMs and Wednesday PMs already. Maybe it is the "labor" of writing and typing that makes this job more laborious than the fellowship we have in person when studying the Word together.

-- Anonymous, September 10, 2001

Goodness, All! Somehow I posted that last response by accident before I was done writing. It just disappeared! (I am certainly not the best typist in the world! Please pardon the typos seen above.)

Anyway, I feel that such an endeavour is worth while, but maybe just not as efficient as studying with each other face to face, or "in person," which geographically speaking, we can't do.

Also, as with most things, folks want to know what's involved and expected of them before they commit to things.

As for me.... I'd much rather TALK, than type! Typing is TOO MUCH work for this poor gal! (I wish Spell-Check was available for these posts!)I can spell, but can't TYPE!

Cynthia, I hope Lillian is healing quickly from her surgery. What a blessing you and Jack must be to her, more than ever at this time! I think of you and Jack often, and pray that his health is strong, as well as Lillian's!

-- Anonymous, September 11, 2001

Lee, I think Danny Gabbard should do a word by word exposition of Revelation while giving a extensively detailed account of every millennial theory ever conceived ;o)

I'm with Theresa. More details before commitment.

-- Anonymous, September 11, 2001

Sorry Teresa, my evil finger accidentally added an h to your name.

-- Anonymous, September 11, 2001

Brother Scott:

You have said:

“Lee, I think Danny Gabbard should do a word by word exposition of Revelation while giving a extensively detailed account of every millennial theory ever conceived ;o)”

I can say that I have no doubts whatsoever that Brother Danny could do the very thing that you suggest and that he would do an excellent job of it as well. And if he did such the body of Christ would greatly benefit from it, don’t you think? But I believe that he has already told us that he does not have time at the moment to engage in such an activity. It is possible however that by the time we reach the book of Revelation he will have fulfilled enough of his current obligations that he might have the time to do just that. I would very much like to see it.

Then you say:

“I'm with Theresa. More details before commitment.”

I intend to write a new thread wherein I will explain the details of how we envision and intend that this word will proceed and in that thread, after having asked certain persons via email to participate, I will ask for public commitments to their part in the expositions. But in this particular thread I was not asking for anyone to commit to anything. I was only asking for those who are faithful Christians to express their support for the idea of having such an organized exposition of the word of God in this forum. And I also agree with Teresa about this fact. None should be committed to do that which they do not understand completely and agree with wholeheartedly.

I am very glad, however, that one with your talent, intelligence, ability and most importantly your deep faith in Christ has not only shown support for the idea. But also has offered to participate provided that you know the objectives, the plan and the nature of such a commitment and all that it might entail before making a firm commitment. For we would all be greatly blessed if you would use your talents and your resources to give the kind of excellent expositions of the word of God, which your writing in this forum has shown you to be capable of giving.

Brother, I sincerely thank your for stating your support for this idea. Hopefully I will finish “fleshing out” the details this week and provide it for our consideration in a new thread by Saturday of this week if not before. And I will contact you via email concerning it as well. So, stay tuned!

Your Brother in Christ,

E. Lee Saffold

-- Anonymous, September 11, 2001

Sister Teresa:

You have asked:

“Would those involved read certain chapters/books then asks questions and discuss thougts with an assigned "expositor?" Many of us are involved in this type of study on Sunday AMs and Wednesday PMs already. Maybe it is the "labor" of writing and typing that makes this job more laborious than the fellowship we have inperson when studying the Word together.”

As I have explained to Scott. I intend to provide a thread explaining all the details of how I envision that we will proceed with this project. And it will cover the question that you have asked in more detail. But I do not want you to wait for an answer to your question. So I will give a rather brief answer, if that is acceptable to you.

WE envision that we will have expositors who will write there expositions, uninterrupted and unfettered, in threads with the title including the Book they are writing about and the portion of that book which they are covering in that thread. And then we will have a “response thread” wherein anyone who wishes to talk directly to the expositor and ask questions of him or add information they deem helpful or to disagree with him outright. He will respond as freely as he chooses in order that he might control the situation and not be diverted from his primary task of writing his expositions.

We will seek to encourage understanding of the fact that the number of questions and the extent of them must not be such that he would be prevented from continuing his work on the book. For that reason we will set aside what might appear to be a lengthy and protracted controversy for another time to be discussed as we say in the business world “off line” between interested parties. But all questions will be answered and any debate will be taken up in an “off line fashion and published in another thread if the parties to the debate chose jointly to engage in such. The reason for this is to prevent ourselves from becoming entrenched in controversy to the point that we fail to achieve our objectives. The response thread will be for all to ask questions and raise objections to which the author of the exposition only will be allowed to answer questions or respond to objections raised concerning the exposition itself. For he is the expositor and since it is his exposition that will be the subject of those threads and anything not related to the subject we will ask the “sheriff to delete.

I think that this might be one of the very first “commentaries” written on the scriptures where the readers are able to actually ask questions directly of the expositor as he is writing. It could be very interesting and even unique.

Your Brother in Christ,

E. Lee Saffold

-- Anonymous, September 11, 2001

E.Lee, Your idea sounds WONDERFUL for the reader/"question asker," but NOT for the EXPOSITOR. Whew! To commit to the job of an expositor is to commit to a BIG job! I'll be interested to read the "fleshing out" summary! God bless!

-- Anonymous, September 12, 2001

Sister Teresa:

You have said:

“E.Lee, Your idea sounds WONDERFUL for the reader/"question asker," but NOT for the EXPOSITOR.”

I agree with you entirely that the exposition of God’s word is indeed “WONDERFUL” for our readers. But it can only be “wonderful” for them if it is the result of the HARD WORK of a faithful Christian expositor of God’s word. For it is the superficial, shallow, and quick "sixty second sound bite" approach to the word of God is all that many of our readers have ever known. Such is indeed “easy” for the “would be expositor” though it is useless the spiritually hungry reader. Indeed there is a famine in the land!

And any one who is presenting himself as one who would explain the word of God to others must be one who will commit himself to the hard work of thinking, reasoning, and researching the facts. For we are, after all, dealing with the word of God which must be "rightly divided". (2 Tim. 2:15). And this is the reason that those who "preach the word" are commanded to "GIVE THEMSELVES to reading, to exhortation, and to doctrine". No one is fit to expound upon the word of God who is not in harmony with the doing of God’s will and sacrificing himself in the effort. For we are dealing, as far as our readers are concerned, with the eternal destiny of the souls of men.

Then you say:

“ Whew! To commit to the job of an expositor is to commit to a BIG job!”

In this you are also correct. And I submit to you also that those who will do this work will be greatly blessed in their deeds. For are we not promised, “But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.” (James 2:25). And those who chose to be teachers of God’s word do take upon themselves a great and awesome responsibility and superficial expositions of God’s word can only be written by those who do not sense, or comprehend in the least, that terrible responsibility that they must bear.

Let us have the spirit of our master who said, “For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.” (Matt. 10:45). For this is the very essence of those who would follow Christ. If we “walk in His steps” we will sacrifice of ourselves in the service of others. For those who were inspired by the Holy Spirit to give us the word of God often did so at great anguish to themselves. Notice Paul said, “For out of much affliction and anguish of heart I wrote unto you with many tears; not that ye should be grieved, but that ye might know the love which I have more abundantly unto you.” (2 Cor. 2:4). And again he said that he did his work that he might “save others”. “Even as I please all [men] in all [things], not seeking mine own profit, but the [profit] of many, that they may be saved.” (1 Cor. 10:33)

We have too many men who, “Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.” (1 Tim. 1:7). And we do not want any of those to be among the one’s who will write expositions of God’s word for our readers, do we? And it is WORK that is the natural discriminator between those who simply “desire to be teachers” and those who have made the appropriate sacrifice of themselves in diligent prayerful study of the word of God to actually become genuine teachers of the word of God.

There is a time when men “ought to be teachers” and a time when they “ought not to be” teachers. “For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which [be] the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.” (Heb. 5:12). Those who are such as have need of milk and not strong meat are among those who “ought not to be teachers”. And there are those among us who have been Christians for sufficient time that they “ought to be teachers” but they have so forgotten the very “first principles of the oracles of God” that they have need that someone teach them AGAIN. These men should not be among our expositors of the word of God for our readers.

As it was in the days when the Children of Israel had been taken into captivity and they were facing adversity so shall it be among us. For it was during that time that God made them “see their teachers”. For prior to the their being taken into captivity the Children of Israel had consigned their teachers to sit in the “Corners” so that only a few could hear their teaching. But when they went into captivity their eyes were turned to their teachers. The ones who had been faithfully teaching God’s word all along and had, in times of prosperity and adversity, never wavered. But now they would be put in front of the Israelites when they could be seen and heard once again. Listen to Isaiah’s prophecy concerning them. “And [though] the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers: And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This [is] the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.” (Isa. 30:20,21). These are the kind of teachers we must have who will say, “this is the way walk in it”. We do not need teachers who have not studied sufficiently to know “the way” who constantly and with little confidence say, “this could be the way it is up to you whether you should walk in it or not”! For this is the old false notion of “doing that which is right in their own eyes” rather than doing that which God taught and commanded in His inspired word.

So, I admit that this is a lot of work for the expositors but I can assure those that “give themselves to it” that they will not only save themselves but those who hear them. And just think of how wonderful that would be for the expositors!

Your Brother in Christ,

E. Lee Saffold

P.S.

You have shown interest in the summary of how we will proceed with this work as follows:

“ I'll be interested to read the "fleshing out" summary! God bless!”

I am thankful that you have this interest and it is my hope to provide this information this weekend.

Your Brother in Christ,

E. Lee Saffold

-- Anonymous, September 28, 2001