Would you sell Solano if we were offered 8-10 million for him?? I would say yes AM

-- Anonymous, August 13, 2001

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On the basis that Robert cost circa £10M, I'd stick out for £10M for Nobby as well. I wonder what YBR has said to him that didn't get reported in the press. It would be interesting if he struck a deal with somebody for a part-ex (nah, not Reg V@rdy) while he's away.

I hear the arguments on both sides of the story. But in reality, he's not doing much for us right now. I'd sell if the price was right. Possibly 8 but definitely 10.

-- Anonymous, August 13, 2001

£10 million? Yes, I'd take it - we need more than 1 decent game in 5 from him.

-- Anonymous, August 13, 2001

Why 10 mill? Why not 15 or 20mill?

He's an asset to the club MD and if the club where to haggle using certain techniques I'm sure they could get more than a poxy 10mill

-- Anonymous, August 13, 2001

Why not £15-20M??? 'cos we wouldn't get it, that's why not.

-- Anonymous, August 13, 2001

Well, his availability problems are going to be as much a problem for his next club as they are for us which will reduce his value. The truth is, apart from the odd rumour, there were no firm bids for him in the close-season. That tells its own tale.

-- Anonymous, August 13, 2001

Ive had Solano in my fantasy team for the last 2 years and 2 say that he is inconsistent is bullshit.

Solano creates EVERYTHING for us and is true quality.

If uve forgotten this, i suggest u watch "United under Robson" again, and see where our goals come from.

Wudnt sell him for less than 15M

-- Anonymous, August 13, 2001

Solano creates EVERYTHING for us and is true quality

Ah! That rare thing - a Toon fan prepared to say something good aboot one of wor players!

I think you've got the wrong forum mate. This is the place to slag off anything that appears in a b&w shirt or to discuss the size of our defeat against Chelsea or whoever the next opponent happens to be.

Apparently

(Welcome anyway London Geordie) :-)

-- Anonymous, August 13, 2001

Did your fantasy points take account of two sendings off, his trips to Peru and his bottling tackles? Just wondering like. No, seriously, his value is significantly reduced by the trips back to Peru.

-- Anonymous, August 13, 2001

solano has created more goals than any other prem player in the last 2 years. To get rid of him is folly. It just needs a bit of diplomacy here. Selling our best, yep, best, player would be dumb. Dougs, you are letting emotion rule your heart...sounds like a line of a song :-)

keep him, or sell him for at LEAST 15 mil

-- Anonymous, August 13, 2001

Sorry folks. I just do not see any real consistency in Solano's performances. To ry to compare Opta stats (or CM) with reality is taking the Rennie. Nobby has one good game in 3 or 4 at best. I suppose on that ratio, he's due for a good 'un playing for Peru this week. Certainly his last 3 appearances in a Toon shirt have been distinctly unimpressive. OK, so he was in good company, but not many of our squad who played in those games could warrant anything approaching £10M. Jonno - I admire your loyalty to Toon players - but please, take your rose coloured specs off once in a while. Can you really say Nobby played well in those games?

-- Anonymous, August 13, 2001

Screach I think you'll find no matter how Solano play the next gam ein black and white he deserves complete support for. Even if he has played poorly/averagely for three games he has done so in black and white and you aren't allowed to suggest he was anything other than worht keeping. If he leaves for lots of money then that to is the right thing for the club to do.

-- Anonymous, August 13, 2001

Ooh - duly chastised (twice in one day!!). This time by Lord BBS himself. I'll take it all back. Nobby is class, shouldn't be sold for anything and YBR's a daft owd sod.

-- Anonymous, August 13, 2001

No Screach, you still aren't laarning. YBR is above reproach too. How can you criticise a man with his credentials, and who alwyas puts out the best team in black and white, even when like Dyer and Shearer it gets them injuries that take months to heal.

Please go the back of the class and sit quietly until you've something sensible to say

-- Anonymous, August 13, 2001

Swift, I love Nobbs but I don't think he's World Class and I don't think he is very consistent. If he played consistently, he would have a scarily good assist/scoring record. Also, Bobby having to push him back on the pitch to applaud us after the Anfield defeat sticks in my memory. Yep, I'm glad he's our player but he isn't Golden Bollox (and I don't think he'll be ours for much longer either).

-- Anonymous, August 13, 2001

Its painfully obvious that Nobby is a class act in a pitifull midfield , weve signed LR -no not that one- to help along the left, now we need a man of steel in midfield along side an attacking dyer.. I wouldnt sell nobby for less than 15mill.

-- Anonymous, August 13, 2001

it would be interesting if he did go as that would solve the 'where do we play KD' saga.

-- Anonymous, August 13, 2001

I think that this season will be the one to judge Nobby. FOr the last 2 seasons we have had no left midfielder and so all of our attacks have come down the right. I'm sure every team in the country has known this and has tried to defend accordingly. Now that we have shape we will be able to use both wings and Nobby will get more space and more time.

-- Anonymous, August 13, 2001

He will also have to tackle back more. If we are to play Robert, Dyer AND Solano that is. Looks very light weight. For the last two seasons Solano had 3 central midfielders next to him to track back. He will need to be more mobile, that's for sure.

-- Anonymous, August 14, 2001

Why does this bbs continually have this argument. Solan is our best player and has been for the last two seasons. This argument about inconsistency is laughable. He has consistently provided the ammunition for our strikers, he has scored goals from free-Kicks and from open play, he gives his all for the club every game and enjoys playing for NUFC and their fans.

As I have said before he saved us from relegation in the last two seasons and has stuck by this club despite a lot of back biting from the press remember the I would swim tpo Spain to sign for Madrid- a story dredged up from two years before.

Finally if you believe that we should sell him because he has good resale value then we are returning to the bad old days of selling our best players.

If anyone can give me a good reason why we should sell our best player I would love to hear it.

-- Anonymous, August 14, 2001

Bake, the reason we keep having this discussion is that not everyone agrees with you ;).

-- Anonymous, August 14, 2001

I see no reason why Barton, Lee and Speed should shoulder all the blame! :-)

Quite so, Bake and others. Nobby is absolute class as his goals and assists record proves.

-- Anonymous, August 14, 2001

Bake, he isn't our best player - I believe that Laurent Robert will be our best player by a stretch. It's academic anyway, because how many clubs will buy a player who has to go to Peru all the time and gets himself sent off twice in the same season for the same reason (giving away match-losing penalties at the same time). He isn't God: he's a very good player whose international commitments cause us considerable trouble.

-- Anonymous, August 14, 2001

He is our best player.....simple as that for me....he's not perfect but he's much better than anything else we've got....

-- Anonymous, August 14, 2001

Still not one good reason.

Unless you count not playing well for the last three games, despite the fact that he won us the game in the match before that.

Oh and going to Peru to play for his country. He was an international when he signed, he has played more games than many of our players despite internatiional duty and leans over backwards to get back ASAP to play for his beloved Toon

Oh yeah he had to be pushed back on to the pitch at Anfield to applaud the fans. I hate to see that as well Dougal but should we sell him for one lapse in an otherwise perfect clapping the fans record:-)

One good reason please.Based on his footballing talent would be nice :-)

-- Anonymous, August 14, 2001

Solano may be our best player, but he certainly is any use to us at all half-way around the world. That in itself is not Nobby's problem, tho if he indicated to YBR that his international days were over and has reneged on an agreement (tho hard to prove) then that is his problem. It copmes down more to the Toon's buying policy. I said it last week when we were linked with yet another South American (Brazillian this time I believe). If we're going to but players from that part of the world, we should expect them to be top class and hence in line for international call-ups. We wither have to accept that and factor it into the contract/wage/transfer fee or look elsewhere. At this stage, we don't have cover for Solano, and if we could get (say) £10M for him, we could probably get a very good player indeed. That's about the same as we paid for Robert, who will have far less disruption being a French international. Solano frustrates me. I know he could be world class if he could turn on his best form more consistently and be available a lot more than he is.

-- Anonymous, August 14, 2001

Worth to the team = f(ability to win games for team, availablity)

Duncan Ferguson has high in ability but low in availablity Marcelino is lower ability but very low in availability Given is fairly high in ability and very high in availability Solano is fairly high in ablity (on par with Given) and a high availablity if he doesn't play for Peru. Solano's ability is reduced if he is suffering from jet lag, and his availablity is reduced if he doesn't get picked because he is suffering from jet lag. His availablity is also reduced if he can't stop handling the ball.

We can debate the ability level of individuals as it is pretty subjective, but their availablity is easier to be objective about. Solano is choosing to compromise his number of appearances for us.

-- Anonymous, August 14, 2001

Baked, I missed 3 Newcastle games last season and saw him play really well in maybe 6 games. He was just good in about another fifteen. He was missing for say another ten. He was shite in the others. People seem to forget that we have won games without him (eg. Man Utd 3-0 the season before last). He is better than most of our other players: I'll accept that. When the club signed the new contract, he had told them he was never playing for Peru again. I don't care whether he plays for Peru. The point I keep trying to make is that his resale value will be reduced by his international commitments so we may as well keep him anyway.

-- Anonymous, August 14, 2001

Bake- I mentioned the clapping incident merely to indicate that I think he would have left us over the summer had a really good offer have come up. It had "last game for the Toon" written all over it.

-- Anonymous, August 14, 2001

Dougal, it just seems to me that there are plenty of players in the team who would not have managed more than one very good game, and a few who would struggle to have played one good game.

You may not feel he is our best player but many do, not just on this BBS.

All I am saying is that every problem that arises with Solano whether it be a two year old story about him once mentioning wanting to play for Real Madrid or a dodgy passport or international appearances we get the same old threads saying let's sell him.

We need to keep our best players and sell the others to build a team round the best players. I know that you don't want to sell him but many do. I am just pointing out that as one of our better players he does not deserve this constant sniping and that this club we love should be a buying club not a selling club.

-- Anonymous, August 14, 2001

Bake - was there ever any question that some people think he is our best player and some people don't? Both are legitimate viewpoints. In any event, it's a point of debate whether we should sell him, the same as it's a point of debate whether we should sell Dyer. The fact is, our feelings don't matter one iota and won't influence what the club does: that's why people come on here - to vent their opinions and frustrations.

-- Anonymous, August 14, 2001

Surely the point is whether we could get more value for money if we were to sell Solano and replace him with somebody else? Any possible sale would surely be influenced by his availability and likely drop the price. IMHO, if we were offered £10M, that would be a good figure and one we should take. But if so, we should buy a replacement who is at least as good and likely better VFM. Or lose Nobby's passport so he can't travel ;-)

-- Anonymous, August 14, 2001

Many wingers today (that's wingers not whingers) don't contribute a lot in the game but will still end up putting in two crosses that get two goals and win the game for their team. If we have someone like that in our team then we really must hold on to him.

For £10m though I'd probably sell him. :)

-- Anonymous, August 14, 2001

Sorry, forgot to explain that. I believe that Dyer on right wing would contribute as many assists as Solano as well as more tracking back and movement and more pace. If we can be sure of holding on to Dyer then Solano could go for £10m, as long as it is to a foreign club.

-- Anonymous, August 14, 2001