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If anyone has a problem with me putting their threads in here I would like to extend the offer of deleting your comments on those threads....Please let me know. Thanks.

-- Doreen (animalwaitress@yahoo.com), June 21, 2001

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I have a major problem with it. I don't want anything that I have posted at all on CS or anywhere put on your forum or any other forum. I can put my own comments where I want them myself without any help. This is not right, and it won't be allright with allot of people.

-- Cindy in KY (solid_rock_ranch@yahoo.com), June 21, 2001.

Cindy, I had no doubts at all that you would feel that way and it is no problem with me at all to delete your comments just like it appears may well happen at CS.

The question I have for you is don't you think that an awful lot of that information would be helpful and informative for other people and don't you think that even though CS ran the forum...?... it wasn't CS who built the knowledge base nor contributed the majority of brainpower and time, was it? I would simply hate to see the library burned by the new regime and that is ALL I care about. Is it right to delete people's comments without speaking to them about it? Is it right to completely change the rules mid steam and then threaten to pull the plug and destroy thousands of hours of other people's thoughts and advice? I agree 100% that they have the right to do what they want at their forum, but before I see all of that info tossed away like nothing important, I want to preserve it. NOT for myself, but for everyone. NOT for profit, but for KNOWLEDGE.

-- Doreen (Bisquit@here.com), June 21, 2001.


Dave HAD to change the rules mid stream because of all constant bickering back and forth. He had no choice. 90% of the posts were nothing about homesteading for a while there. It was totally out of control and you know it. I know what's going on, I've read where you all want to put a verse at the end of every thread, and all the rest. It's not your place to do that. If you don't agree with the rules, then why does everyone keep going back? Do unto others. You certainly do not allow freedom of speech on your forum. You are making trouble on purpose, and if you keep this up you will ruin it for the rest of us who enjoy CS and respect the rules. My decision stands.

-- Cindy in KY (solid_rock_ranch@yahoo.com), June 21, 2001.

Cindy, I certainly do allow freedom of speech here. I have two rules, I have NEVER deleted a comment. I was forced to edit some comments because of foul language one time. I take exception to your accusation and admonish you to follow the Golden Rule as well. I have not accused you of anything. The censorship at Cside is their perogative. I haven't gone back since the last major snafu other than to check on some threads that were "problematic" and to look into the archives for info that I needed. That is my perogative. Please tell me how burning the Library is right? BTW, in case you didn't know, that is historically what invading armies did. Interesting, no?

-- Doreen (Bisquit@here.com), June 21, 2001.

Every forum has rules to follow and here is one of yours.

"but the site will not be used to promote religion". Can't you see you have the same rule CS does, and people are going out of their way to go over there and break it and then brag about it?

-- Cindy in KY (solid_rock_ranch@yahoo.com), June 21, 2001.



Cindy, it also says that one of the topics WILL be Christianity. Sorry to upset you, but I will allow Hoot to post as he always has and with whatever strength of preaching he desires to express. He was given a special honorary topic thread and then had the rug pulled out from under him for basically taking a poll, as I understand it. That's not right.

Would you feel better if a whole nuther forum was started with no responding allowed that just held the topics and that's it? It doesn't matter to me if anyone gets any credit or criticism for the stuff, just that it's saved. It is an amazingly valuable resource and I would hate to lose it. Also it would be like losing all your photgraphs in a house fire.....very sad.

Sorry, but I have a lot of work to do and I must get to it, so I can't sit here and debate on semantics all day. Please just think of the valuable information and whether or not it should be saved... ya know the way things were saved from the libraries was in direct opposition to authority???

-- Doreen (bisquit@here.com), June 21, 2001.


I have no way to prevent anyone from copying any old comments of mine, and I think I probably still stand by anything I posted previously. I think. Because I will not have time to recheck everything that might be copied and posted elsewhere.

However, I would PREFER that my last name and my old email address be deleted (you can leave just Joy or Joy F, your choice). If that is too much hassle without deleting my post, just go ahead and delete the post.

I've asked that CS not be closed, and if they do close it, that they just prevent new posts and allow everyone time to save any threads that they want. I want to save threads that I foolishly thought would "always" be there -- but I want the homesteading threads. While I have participated in political and religious and social issues discussions, I really don't care if those disappear forever.

-- Joy F [in So. Wisconsin] (CatFlunky@excite.com), June 21, 2001.


You did not upset me, I don't allow this sort of stuff to upset me. And no, I do not want any of my posts copied by this forum. You extended the offer of deleting them and I took you up on it.

I was in no way referring to what is posted on this freedom forum from Hoot. I was pointing out that you too have some rules about posting (about different religions) and they must be followed, and that blows the freedom of speech out the door. Freedom of speech as long as you go by the rules. So why is it ok for your forum to have rules and not for CS?

-- Cindy in KY (solid_rock_ranch@yahoo.com), June 21, 2001.


Hi Doreen. This isn't really a good analogy, but I feel like I'm at the circus and can't keep my eye on three rings at the same time! (CS, BTS, and here!)

Nice forum you have!

What is putting verses at the end of postings about anyway? Bible verses? How would that work? Related to the topic?

Thanks!

-- sheepish (the_original_sheepish@hotmail.com), June 21, 2001.


Sheepish, I don't know what Cindy was talking about there. I haven't been able to run around to the three ring circus all day as I had to sweat, but it seems to be irrelevant to this particular conversation.

Cindy, I will reitterate this one more time for clarity and then I won't repeat myself again....I HAVE NO problem with CS forum deleting posts that don't fit their criteria. What I do have a problem with is with changing rules mid stream, threatening to pull the plug on information that they had no large part in creating, although they did provide the forum...WHICH IS FREE... and with deleting someone's post that was just a poll when they had given the man special posting priveleges and honored him with a category all his own. That to me is wrong. They are doing nothing more than living out a power trip when they haven't invested the time and energy and in creating the data base.

I do not have a problem with following the rules of the house, when they are stated. My rules have been clearly stated. The rules at Cside change like the tide at the whim of any kind of offense. I choose not to go to someone's house who continually tries to make me read their mind. The owner of the house is new, but he is living in a place that he didn't build and evicting a bunch of previous tenants. That is his perogative. But if he threatens to blow up the house it seems that someone ought to save the valuables.

I am thinking and praying on this situation. I will let you all know what is determined.

-- Doreen (bisquit@here.com), June 21, 2001.



Wow... Doreen - I will try to take a subject and copy the posts but I don't have a lot of time either. I have to go look, but it'll be livestock related anyway. Of course... If they get wind of this over there, they may decide to delete everything anyway!! That seems to be the general mentality lately -

I will miss Cindy's posts from over there - lots of great info. Its a shame that most of us here were among those she answered there, and we can't have access to those answers. But, as I said before... It DOES sorta feel like stealing - even though there are no copyrights on any of the material. I guess I understand... but then its none of my business anyway.

Just because the pot has already been stirred:

There is a BIG difference between saying you can't PROMOTE religion and PREVENTING postings on the topic!!!

Semantics is a wonderful thing. So is Webster's.

-- Sue Diederich (willow666@rocketmail.com), June 22, 2001.


It looks as though it has been decided. And it wasn't me who did it.

Cindy, on the topics that I take I will honor your request and delete your posts. It may take some time, but I will do it. I can't make that promise for others who will be placing categories there.

Joy, I will of course honor your request as well, with the same exception...I can't nor do I want to control other people. It is possible to erase the addy, but it might take a little time as well.

-- Doreen (bisquit@here.com), June 23, 2001.


Aw nuts. I may have one or two comments in there from you guys that I forgot to take out before posting.(alternative energy threads) I forgot to remove them before hitting the submit. Please forgive me. I will be much more careful now. I am sorry if there are a few that I missed...TRULY.

-- Doreen (bisquit@here.com), June 23, 2001.

I really am not trying to be mean or anything. I just want these wars between the forums to stop, no good can come of it. Your site is about Freedom, and all the stuff the government does that is underhanded and sneaky. I want no part of that. I am proud to be an American citizen and live in the USA. Don't you get it? As soon as you put my posts on your site, you are infringing on MY rights, the very thing you all scream so loud about.

I joined Countryside Friends Pictures too. There was none of this government bashing over there when I joined. Did you ask me if it was allright before you plastered it all over that site? All of a sudden I am part of a site that talks bad about our government. That is not me and I would not join a site like that. You changed the rules over there in mid-stream, I told you I was not comfortable with it, but did it do me any good? NO, it was left there, on a simple picture site. Now you are pulling me in over here, and I want no part of it, slips or no slips. You scream about rights, where are mine! And don't try to convince me of all this undercover stuff, because I don't want to hear it. I am proud to be a US citizen. Don't you get it? It isn't about you or me, it's about your beliefs and my beliefs, they are not the same. I do not belong on this forum, and that is my right to choose.

-- Cindy in KY (solid_rock_ranch@yahoo.com), June 24, 2001.


Oh, and by the way, you said "irrelevant to this particular conversation." Look at your first response to me, it was a barrage of questions you wanted me to answer. I didn't start that. And you do too know what I am talking about. In fact, someone allready gave some of you a rubuke about it. Do unto others. Respect the rules of the CS forum just as you would want others to respect the rules of this forum.

-- Cindy in KY (solid_rock_ranch@yahoo.com), June 24, 2001.


Cindy....I was invited by Patty to put the stuff on the "friends" forum. If you try to remember, when you voiced your displeasure I posted that I agreed with you. Patty, who runs the site, left it up becuase she wanted to. I didn't coerce her, nor you in anyway.

I think that your stance is pretty clear and I have no desire to argue with you. Best wishes to you.

-- Doreen (bisquit@here.com), June 25, 2001.


Hi Doreen,

I have thought about this for a while. I really think I would like my posts deleted and not posted here. For me, it's more an issue of clarity. I started with Countryside and I'd like my posts to just stay there. If they chose to delete all the posts, oh well. It was fun while it lasted. It was fun, wasn't it?

I'll keep posting on BTS going forward anyway, and eventually I'll probably say all the same drivel that I said before! Just might take me longer. And folks won't have to be bothered to read it here again!! LOL.

Best wishes to you on Freedom.

-- sheepish (the_original_sheepish@hotmail.com), June 25, 2001.


I really don't care to go through all of this hoopla when you can just go and buy it and the thing WAS posted on Cside forum. You can buy your own words and no one else who doesn't know about it will be able to know what to do when they have an animal problem, or forgot how to make ice cubes. Then whine to me about how violated you are by having junk that you put on the internet on the internet...sheesh.

http://home.att.net/~ofuzzy1/cs-sale.htm

-- Doreen (bisquit@here.com), June 25, 2001.


Doreen, was that a reply to me? I haven't been following the discussions on Freedom much. It sounded like it was in response to something else said perhaps? Anyway, best wishes to you.

-- sheepish (the_original_sheepish@hotmail.com), June 26, 2001.

No Sheepish, it was to the nasty fake email addy dolt or dolts and anyone else who wants to whine...SMILE... cumulative totals, doncha know. Best wishes to you to!

-- Doreen (bisquit@here.com), June 26, 2001.

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