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I guess I am permanantly gone from CS forever. Kinda breaks my heart.

Little Bit Farm

-- Little Bit Farm (littleBit@compworldnet.com), June 20, 2001

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What happened? I see that Dave is logged in and apparently trying to put down a new rebellion. I used to subscribe to American Survivalist but some whining yuppies didnt like some of the commentary and they went PC to try and gain a larger audience. The magazine tanked.

Might as well say your goodbyes because if Dave keeps this nonsense up he will have ground CS into the dirt in no time.

-- William in Wi (gnarledmaw@lycos.com), June 20, 2001.


I went over and posted an attention notice in several threads to alert people that hoot is being censured. I will probably keep it up for awhile, or till they lock my out. I was polite, w/o name calling or any of that. "Just the facts ma'am"

-- John in S. IN (jsmengel@hotmail.com), June 20, 2001.

William, you are right.

What a noodle-head (oops, is that name-calling?) well let me try this. Dave appears to lack the good sense jd had. In regards to conducting business. My decision had already been made, so this just tickles me pink, no need to second guess myself now!! Arrogant, condenscending and knucklehead keep popping into my mind....

The good thing about all this, is that the more this type of thing occurs, the easier it becomes to decide where to spend our money and expend our good will.

John, good for you!!

LB, at least your in good company!!LOL! But I do understand what you mean. Really, really pathetic and sad.

I wonder why someone would willingly subject themselves to the whim of Mr.Dave? I don't get it.

-- Wendy@GraceAcres (wjl7@hotmail.com), June 20, 2001.


Well they deleted all of the notices I put up. I'm so glad Dave took ownership for the deletion of Hoots post. His admission of responsibility for that makes it all a lot easier for me.

-- Johnin S. IN (jsmengel@hotmail.com), June 20, 2001.

Here's what I just posted on Ken's 'Take this for what it's worth' thread. I expect it'll be deleted in short order, since they can dish it out, but not take it.

I love this forum, I really do. But the way it's gone downhill lately, maybe it'd be better if you two go ahead and zap it so we can start over from scratch, fresh, free to speak our minds without being constantly censored. Right now we have to walk on eggs everytime we post something!

You point out that Dave does this for free, and constantly gets hassled for it. Please look at it from our point of view. We put in hours, days, months maybe, of work into this forum. helping other homesteaders out, asking questions, and just visitning and getting to know one another. We lend our experience and knowledge free of charge. then someone who hardly ever contributes to the forum came along and started dictating to us what we can and can't put on here. Why? Maybe he only wants stuff he can print in the magazine, I don't know.

That brings me to another point. We share everything we know here free of charge, expecting nothing in return but interactions with other homesteaders. It so happens that the forum does benefit the magazine, but whether it does or not really isn't of any concern to us. We're here because its fun. You ask doesn't Anne Marie select the material for the magazine? Well sure she does. We pay for the priviledge of having the magazine and there is only so much that will fit into each magazine, unlike this forum.

I don't know how great your losses in subscriptions from all this is going to be, probably some but not a whole lot. But what I do know is that if the friendly, sharing tone of the magazine deteriorates in favor of political correctness, the magazine will go downhill just like TMEN did.

It's also about respect. We respect JD,he earned our respect over the years that he was editor of Countryside. But respect has to be earned, not inherited. Most of us don't know Dave from Adam, he'll have to earn our respect if he wants it, and this isn't a good way to do that

-- Rebekah (daniel@itss.net), June 20, 2001.



I went over to CS to see Rebekah's post and ended up writing another one over there(not that it would do any good). I just read some of that stuff and felt I had to respond. Now I am making a clean break. For those who are interested here is what I posted, just in case it disappears.

I said this afternoon, that I was leaving and I am. I came over here to see the reaction to this whole debacle. There are a lot of people here asking why we are so upset. "The rules were clear" you say. I say that is not true. About two months ago the rules got changed. I have been posting on this forum off and on (mostly on) for 2 years. Someone said that this forum had grown, well it grew because quite of few of us spent a lot of time and effort to make it so. It certainly wasn't because CS was extremely involved in it. In fact they were pretty hands off until recently. Up until recently we all posted about whatever we needed to get off our chest. The former person in charge recognized that just because something isn't directly about homesteading, doesn't mean that it doesn't affect homesteaders. I for one, truly appreciated that, and I posted about that appreciation many times. This forum was built on the backs of christians and non- christians alike, who wanted to share their lives with one another. Dave I am sorry that you don't understand the problem, but ultimately free speech is important. I am a homesteader. I am a Christian. what happens next? Will you soon remove those who use pesticides. Or how about those who disagree over what kind of goats to milk. There are reasons for free speech. Throughout the world over the course of history, there have been men who didn't want to hear other opinions than their own. As Wendy said, this is your mag, but why choose one or two groups to discriminate against? This is discrimination, you know. Someone said this forum had been invaded by the Christian right. I say we were here all the time, and standing for exactly the same things we are standing for today. Many of you that posted came here after me. There was a wise man who left several months ago that warned me to watch my back. His name was Joel Rosen. He was right. Joel, if you are out there, Thank you. I came to this forum because I loved the mag. I'm leaving because somewhere in all of this greatness has been lost. We all have lost the ability to share all of ourselves with each other. There are some, including our forum maintainer, who feel that in order to understand one another we all have to agree. There are some, who only want to here their own side of any question. So both in our society and now in our forum they find their solution in sterilization. If you don't like it just get rid of it. It amazes me how Countryside, an arm of the media, feels that they have a right to free speech, but their readers do not. Dave you can probably say, it's my mag I'll do whatever I want. But free speech is not just the law given in the Bill of Rights, it comes down to basic human dignity. If you keep free speech for yourself, but deny it to others, then you must accept it when it is lost in the future to you also. Free speech is something you live, and something you preserve for future generations. If we cannot trust the very keepers of free speech (the media) to uphold it, then how can we expect to keep it. The answer is we can't. Free speech is not the right to hear only what makes you happy. Free speech is the right to say whatever is in your heart. When you hold a public forum within your realm of responsibility, and you deny some the right to speak, then you let all of us down. All of you who stay and support this forum need to remember that all of us stood for your right to free speech. When you lose it and they take your venue away then you will know how we feel. There are religious forums and political forums out there, but none of them could or will ever replace what this forum was. This forum at its best was a place where all things could be discussed and shared about. It was a place where people in trouble could ask for help and even prayer. It was a place where our views on politics could be shared and although we didn't agree something was learned by all, and all of the homesteaders learned from one another. It was a place where although many disagreed, they all had respect. It was a place where homesteading was about more than just keeping animals, and raising a garden. It was about true community, just like at the country store. When you go to the country store, nobody is censored. When you came to countryside, all were accepted, maybe not agreed with, but all were accepted. I will truly miss that, and I am so sorry to see that die, because someone just couldn't stand not to leave well enough alone. Little Bit Farm

-- Little Bit Farm (littleBit@compworldnet.com), June 21, 2001.



-- Little Bit farm (littleBit@compworldnet.com), June 21, 2001.


Little Bit, Thank you! You have written exactly what I feel, but could never have written it so well. I am very sad to see the end of the CS forum and, for me, Countryside mag. I have learned so much at both places. What we need to do now is just concentrate on this forum and turn it into the best there is. If we all share our thoughts and knowledge we can be even better then what we have left.

-- Deena in GA (dsmj55@aol.com), June 21, 2001.

Well guys hope you don't mind my post ! I am sick and tied of the bs on cs .I do not preach jesus but let me tell you when they say I cannot it ruffles some feathers . This is christian bashing plain and simple .I think Dave got into some funky weed as of late .I posted to cs wondering if the noticed most of us on the forum from the begining are gone , no response did't expect one .Thanks for letting me vent .

-- Patty {NY State} (fodfarms@slic.com), June 22, 2001.

I guess Dave forgets that JD also wrote, published and distributed some incredibly inflammatory political stuff... I've read it - I'm sure some of you have too. He also wrote and published religious articles -

I'm glad I buy at newsstands (when I can find it) - that way I don't have to worry about getting refunds. It may cost a little more to do things that way, and I may miss some issues - not just of CS, but it supports local shops and I get what I feel like.

With all the hype in the homesteading mags about supporting local businesses, I'm really surprised that so many people just sat back and watched as BHM and CS and others began refusing to deal with them!!

-- Sue Diederich (willow666@rocketmail.com), June 22, 2001.


Is it just me, or does that posting on the CS forum concerning the little girl that was molested not seem to be related to homesteading? I see that it wasn't deleted.

-- Terry - NW Ohio (aunt_tm@hotmail.com), June 22, 2001.


While reading posts later this evening I noticed that the above mentioned post has been removed.

-- Terry - NW Ohio (aunt_tm@hotmail.com), June 22, 2001.

Nope not homestaed related , but they are in charge remember .It used to be such a cool place to go .Ow well things change.

-- Patty {NY State} (fodfarms@slic.com), June 22, 2001.

Anyone recall who posted that? I went back to look at it and it's gone.

-- Rebekah (daniel1@itss.net), June 22, 2001.

Just sent this on to someone else thought I might as well post it. I couldn't believe that the CS forum might be gone soon. But maybe since it is being censored what good is it going to be anyways. What was wrong with the "Little Girl" story ?? These are things we ought to know about so we can learn and pray ( opps !! can I say that word?) for that family. Not every question has to relate to homesteading but your question just might interest someone else too. Didn't realize you couldn't buy CS on the newstand anymore. Just forgot to renew my subscription after reading CS for 20 years and now maybe I will think about it twice before doing that ? Guess times are a changing ?? For the better or worse ?? Will be checking into the other sites. Look for you all there !!!!

-- Helena Di Maio (windyacs@ptdprolog.net), June 23, 2001.

Helena,

I hope you didn't think that I thought the posting about the little girl should be deleted - I didn't mind it being there. I was just pointing out that if they keep removing posts because they say they don't have any direct relation to homesteading then why was that one allowed (of course, then it was pulled later).

-- Terry - NW Ohio (aunt_tm@hotmail.com), June 23, 2001.



For some people too much Christian posting is annoying. Someone trying to sell something they do not want. Cold calling, junk mail. People say if you do not like it then don't read it and others say why not post it on a board set up for that. I see no problem with CS saying cool it and delete a few post. Perhaps they could have had a Christian category and if someone posted off topic Christian material put it in there rather then deleting. Might have been a way to keep most people happy. Going over there to post something you know will be deleted and then blaming them for deleting it, why bother? There is a lot of good boards around to keep everyone happy ). No offence intended to anyone.

-- ed (edfhes@aol.com), June 26, 2001.

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-- john wach (blackbelt51@aol.com), September 22, 2002.

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