what the pros and what are the cons?

-- Anonymous, June 05, 2001

Answers

assumption of purchase

-- Anonymous, June 05, 2001

pros--- young.fast.striker.sell on value.sunderland want him.

cons--- injuries,lack of goals for striker,1 club player (why do i think of Justin Fashanu?),loyalty,pedigree,arsenal want him

-- Anonymous, June 05, 2001

Well the last time we bought a striker for £8m from Everton it was a huge con ...

I read in The Mail today they reckon that Manu will get Dyer which will enable us to shell out £8m for Jeffers. As has been said elsewhere, I'd far rather have Dyer AND Jeffers in the team. The worst of it was that the valuation on Dyer was £15m which is WAY too low for a player of his calibre, age and nationality.

They also reckon that with Arse and Sh*t Sunderland in for Jeffers the price could be bid up to £10m. (I should have thought that Sunderland wanting him would drive the price down.)

The other aspect of this I dislike is Jeffers' avowed preference for Arse, which means that if we get him we will be his second choice at best.

On the plus side, Jeffers is young and if he's as good as they say then £8m is a very good price. Here's hoping that YBR's transfer dealings have a more positive effect on our fortunes than last Summer.

-- Anonymous, June 05, 2001

Was it worth us paying out £6m for Dyer ?

-- Anonymous, June 05, 2001

Undoubtedly it was Mac, but LKD had been showing more consistent, high form (albeit in a lower division) with Ipswich. Interesting that losing him didn't seem to do their progress much harm at all. No sooner had LKD arrived than he was in KK's England team. Nowt to do with NUFC as I'm sure he would have made it if he'd stayed put driving a tractor. Jeffers is someway behind that. Whether (football) inflation equates £6M then to £8M now, I doubt. I think LKD would have cost more than £8M at today's prices.

-- Anonymous, June 05, 2001

And to think that Spurs and West Ham though he wasn't worth £6m and pulled out.

I recall Jeffers being a canny player at times, although he has been out injured a while.

Not really injury prone, more just injured and still recovering, being brought back too soon - mirrors what happens here all the time.

-- Anonymous, June 05, 2001

Pros. Young . Mobile , Makes good run`s in the channnels (observation by Mr Bojangles), looks comfortable one on one with keeper(Buffs obs)

Cons, Needs a physical prescence alongside, Shearer/Cort , okay. He has been judged nationally from a few good games on MOTD where the pundits waxed lyrical , get more sense out of Toffee Web. In the envisaged rotational set up I can see an imbalance which is par for the course with Utd, for instance, we start say with Cort/Shearer up front which will dictate a certain type of game from an already one dimensional midfield , Cort is injured, step in Jeffers , does anyone in their right mind think our present midfield are capable of adapting to this phenomonon (sp), only Dyer I am afraid. got to look at the big picture, Shearer Cort, Amoebi - Jeffers ??????

-- Anonymous, June 05, 2001

Got to agree Buff - no overall logic that I can see either.

Our overall strategy seems little better than you would expect with an Infants School Team - that is, pick eleven players and tell them to "spead oot lads!"

-- Anonymous, June 05, 2001

Clarky, `spread oot lads`, true , ever so true and by saying the basics , cuts out the waffle , and puts this bb`s oot of comission :)) not excactly in Newcastles case, more of "will the players move to the right hand side of the bus/pitch please",

-- Anonymous, June 05, 2001

Well, I'll bow to the superior coaching/tactical skills of Sir Buffalo, but in the scenario you mention, this is no different from the likes of Liverpool, @rse or ManUre with options up front. True, it may highlight limitiations in midfield, but I think YBR is in "team building" mode rather than "fine tuning" an almost complete team (that, you may remember was supposed to be TSM's job).

Having a different type of player on the bench opens up alternatives in the style of play. This is by far the greater use of subs, rather than replacing injured players. Yes, of course it depends on the MF, but doesn't it always?

-- Anonymous, June 05, 2001

Screacher, please do not sell yourself short, remember I glean a lot of information from on here from the likes of yourselves and I value it, believe me. The point I am trying to get across and I will use Liverpool as a yardstick is this , my two most recurring posts are (a) the team , Jeffers as a single entity at this stage means nothing, (b) Me and Dan the Man pumping movement or lack of it in our case.

Liverpool...Owen/Fowler/Litamen/Smicer, all have good technical skill, they all have good movement, they all have a measure of pace. Heskey (who I am yet to be convinced by), is strong ,physical,has prescence, in all respects a good target man. When Houlier plays the big guy - little guy card, mainly Heskey/Owen he has a game plan , Heskey/Fowler he uses same game plan, varies a wee bit with Smicer. Obviously we all know this changes with Fowler/Owen up front from the start,spare the details, There is more to rotating your front players of that quality than saying ,which the supporters think , I am resting Robbie today, hard game last week, rubbish. Houllier studies the opposition, takes into account home or away , and a lot of other points, okay boys Newcastle away, Emile your in , keep the Greek busy at the back ,YMO on the shoulder of the last man , Steve/Pat?Gary one touch, look up hit em long. Now away to a good team in the CL, He will play Heskey up front with YMO lying a wee bit deeper, he will shag Heskey out in 60 mins, bring on Fowler who incidentally is the best provider for Owen , more mobility , stretches the opposition , makes em think. That is just one area of the team to think about , but they know what is expected from them and can deliver, as can midfield. Back to our team Cort/Shearer/Amoebi, Three pretty static forwards, receive, lay off, get on the end of a cross, we have discussed Jeffers above , my point is whether its injury / substitution or whatever it does not gell. To my mind the biggest insult to the great Geordie public last year was the 3 player substitutions, got lucky once,but Bobby get real

*BTW Screach I chose Liverpool, for a reason from your 3 - easiest

-- Anonymous, June 05, 2001

BTW there is nowt wrong with having Cort/Shearer up front as a pair, the only problem is you need wide men who can hit the line, Figo/Giggs to make it work , funny auld game

-- Anonymous, June 05, 2001

Buff - I think we're in violent agreement. The funny auld game is indeed aal aboot a game plan. Do you think YBR is incapable of this or is he just limited by the resources (or lack of) available to him? If the latter, then we'll have to live with what we have until they become available. If the former, then that is a lot more worrying, and whether that would improve with Shearer at the helm I seriously doubt - at the stage in his management career.

-- Anonymous, June 06, 2001

Bobby is a scholar of the game, a professor, it's the past four years that have done it for him. It's a financial thing.

-- Anonymous, June 06, 2001

We cannot play with two static players up front, it just blows my my mind to watch it. Bill it may be valid to do it if you have Giggs and Figo, or even say Ginola and Gillespie but we haven't got those players. I physically cringe at the thought of having Cort and Shearer standing in the centre circle waiting for a Barton clearance, desperately holding on to the ball while Speed and Lee storm out of defence to link up with him. No I can't go on, it's too upsetting.

-- Anonymous, June 06, 2001

When did the slant shift from buying Jeffers to go in the squad with Dyer, to selling Dyer to manure so we can afford Jeffers ?

Poxy sh1t-stirring Daily Mail w@nkers.

-- Anonymous, June 06, 2001

the mail have an agenda to sell dyer to the reds

-- Anonymous, June 06, 2001

So has Jonno for spreading it ;))

-- Anonymous, June 06, 2001

Pro: Everton have accepted our 8 million bid so it doesn't matter what other clubs bid over and above as long as Jeffers agrees to personal terms with us.

-- Anonymous, June 07, 2001

Has this died a LONESOME DEATH

-- Anonymous, June 12, 2001

hope so

-- Anonymous, June 12, 2001

Is he still on holiday?

-- Anonymous, June 12, 2001

Something tells me that if he wanted to join us this would have been done and dusted by now. If Jeffers is procrastinating waiting for The Arse to come in, we are simply being used, and should withdraw our offer. Screw him.

-- Anonymous, June 12, 2001

Surely we will get this situation with every decent player we go in for. If they are any good we will not be the only club interested in him. Looking at our position and lack of european football there is always going to be a more attractive option if we are targeting players who are coveted by major clubs.

If we aren't in Europe we are not a major player whether we have 52,000 a week or not.

-- Anonymous, June 12, 2001

I think NUFC knew that he wouldn't really be interested, but put a bid in showing the fans that they have atleast £8 million to spend at a time when we were starting to doubt .

Muggins here fell for it, parted with the cash for two season tickets .... and now we here that Dyer might be on his way.

-- Anonymous, June 12, 2001

DeB,
If the players we are attempting to sign don't think we are a "major player" then we shouldn't be trying to sign them.
Just think about it - if they don't think we are, or could readily become, a serious contender then why would they consider coming here? If the answer is purely MONEY, then frankly we can do without that kind of signing. We've made far too many already.

-- Anonymous, June 12, 2001