ranking issue

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Hello there, I have very simple propositions to make to the ranking problem

About the bogus or unconfirmed inps, there is no question about it,

they should be ignored. It may be tough for a player who didn't cheat, but you can't give any points until it is confirmed. You don't give Ben Johnson the WR if he is on drugs, do you? Instead there should be a penalty for someone that uses cheats, like ban him from the game. If you like the percentage system, that is fine. But you can't have too many positions, or too less. I think the top 10 would be best.

With that system you award someone that has made a super performance in 1st place compared to the second. e.g 1st place 100 points, second 70 points.

But when you compete in hundreds of games, the points in individual games don't make much sense. For an overall ranking you need the TOP 3 positions only! No need to mess with points at all!

The first position gets the Gold Metal, the second the Silver and the Third the bronze. So, the player with the most gold’s, silvers and bronzes wins. First priorities are the gold’s of course. If you have the most gold’s, then you get TOP 1 EVEN if you have less silver or bronze. That makes sense because if you have more gold’s, the others will have the silvers.!!!

As for removing the clones, I disagree. Some clones are different than the main game, and what if I have the hi score and my main set becomes a clone in the next version of mame?

What I propose is simple; A player can not be awarded with points more that 1 time in a game, either it is a parent of clone set.

I hope these make a lot of sense to you

PS. I think that there must be a limit to the number of games that are rated in the overall score. You can't expect someone to play 2000 games just to appear on the overall best. For example the GuRU is in the 4th place with 698 points, but he has an average of 21.0%, while ddr with more games and 65% averege is in 5th place!!. I rpropose a limit of 100 points, because many games are almost the same, e.g all the street fighters. If one is good at SF1, you would expect the same in SF2 etc...

Did you consider adding categories, like fighting games, strategy etc..

Grendal74

-- grendal74 (grendal74.geo@yahoo.com), June 05, 2001

Answers

I answer by points:

1->About the bogus or unconfirmed inps,

A>My answer is NO!The confirmers are few,some of them have already little spare time and some people like me have few INPs confirmed(I have a first place in Ninja Spirit:does someone have confirmed this?).I ALWAYS played without any cheat/autofire/slowdown,and the 75% of people in this site I think is like me.

2->But when you compete in hundreds of games, the points in individual games don't make much sense. For an overall ranking you need the TOP 3 positions only! No need to mess with points at all!

A>You are newbie,right?A time ago there was a system like giving the points only for the first 3 places(10pts 1st/3pts 2nd/1pts 3rd) .It was aborted due to:

-It is a penalty for games which have got too less people.Some INPs in the first 3 positions were/are really bad scores.

-It is a penalty for games which have got too much people(see Neo Drift Out:there is a ranking of 26 peoples!Getting the first 3 pleaces mean that you have played that game for years and years!)

If you make a 10th place you are awarded for what you have did;MAX 5 pts!And if that makes sense in the 400 place,don't make any in the first 50 surely!

You talked about Game Guru:see how many 0pts he have due to "does not playback" or DisQualified!They makes average!

3->What I propose is simple; A player can not be awarded with points more that 1 time in a game, either it is a parent of clone set.

A>So I have to give my Strider records to people who doesn't even able to finish level 4?Don't be so pathetic;ALL clones have minimum one difference regards to the parent set (graphic,sound,gameplay,patterns,even levels sometimes).Also your example of Street Fighter doesn't make much sense:sf1 is DIFFERENT from sf2;ssf2 is REALLY more easier than ssf2t and so on.If you talk about the hacks of Street Fighter 2,you are right:they have to be banned for "too easy" reason.

4->I think that there must be a limit to the number of games that are rated in the overall score. You can't expect someone to play 2000 games just to appear on the overall best

A>If you want to advance in the leaderboard you have to play a lot. Make all firsts or 10th places is up to you:)

5->Did you consider adding categories, like fighting games, strategy etc..

A>I agree,but as different boards...

PS I wrote a lot:tell me if something isn't clear...

[This message was edited by Zwaxy to add some HTML formatting - it was previously one big blob of text]

-- Kale (angelo.salese@tin.it), June 05, 2001.


Hi

If it ain't broke why try to fix it?

People have gone over this time and time again and I would vote to leave everything as it is.... :)

The administrators have lives too ;-)

Game Guru

-- Game Guru (gameguru@cableinet.co.uk), June 05, 2001.


Interesting ideas, many of them have been discussed at length before, The leaderboard system is definitly not "NOT broke". But there is not a solve all answer yet...

One thing to note: just because a recording is in a confirmed (orange) state, it does not mean this recording is cheat free. The Confirmed state is a flag to tell if the recording can playback properly with the settings specified. Recordings which have found to be using cheating means are deleted and a notice is sent to pat and the uploader; a few inps with previously confirmed states have been deleted for cheating purposes. confirming is only for playbackability.

-- Chad (churritz@cts.com), June 05, 2001.


just like to point out that lots of my scores were deleted for using autofire, when I first started here many years back autofire was not a banned technique......

GG

-- Game Guru (gameguru@cableinet.co.uk), June 06, 2001.


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