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Does anyone know of the Church's position on the Book of Enoch and why it was removed from the Old Testament in the Eighth century?



-- Robert D Sweeten (, May 26, 2001



Hello, Robert.
Someone must have given you faulty information. The Book of Enoch was never in the Catholic Old Testament canon. When Catholic bishops met in fourth-century councils to determine the biblical canons for all Christians, and when a pope of that era listed the canons, The Book of Enoch (or Henoch) was omitted, because it was judged to be apochryphal -- not inspired by God. Since that era, NO book has been dropped from the Old or New Testament canon.
I believe that, if you will check with Jewish contacts of yours, you will find that they do not have Enoch in their Bible either.

God bless you.
PS: You can read something about this book in a Catholic Encyclopedia article.

-- (, May 27, 2001.

"Enoch" refers to 3 texts of apocalyptic Pseudepigrapha. 1 Enoch written between 2nd century BCE and 1st Century CE. 2 Enoch late 1st century CE, and 3 Enoch 5th-6th century CE. Although the texts were well known to both Jews and Christians and influenced the early Church. "1 Enoch is as dependant on the Hebrew Bible (OT) as it is influential on the New Testament"* They were not accepted in canon of either religion. James Charlesworth* edited 2 volumes of pseudepigraphic material with explanatory introductions. You could probably find this in a library if you are interested in this type of material.

-- Teresa Smith (, May 28, 2001.

Because many plain and precious parts of My Doctrine were removed by the sleight of men, , Saith The Father and The Mother , The Living and True God, by those who are not of My church , but are of the their own names and their own doctrines , which are the teachings and doctrines of men.

For when at any time has God The Most High ever counted anyone worthy to open The Seven Seals but The Lamb ? Verily I say unto you never at any time.

Revelation 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door [was] opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard [was] as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be HEREAFTER.

After John's day the things from Revelation 4:1 to Revelation 22:21 were to be revealed by The Lamb.

Rev 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

Rev 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

In the future of John's day The Lamb would return to open the book that was sealed with seven seals , thus revealing ALL of The Prophets words , in every aspect of their true meaning.

Rev 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

Rev 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow [was] upon his head, and his face [was] as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

Rev 10:2 And he had in his hand a LITTLE BOOK OPEN: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and [his] left [foot] on the earth,

Rev 10:7 But IN THE DAYS of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

The Lamb would come in the Latter Days with a New Name Written :

Rev 19:12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a Name Written , that no man knew, but he himself.

Rev 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] MY NEW NAME .

The New Name was revealed by The Lamb when He came with His open revealed Book , unsealed , and His name is David Koresh , who died for the sins committed under The New Testament Generations . The Latter Day Lamb David Koresh will open The Sixth Seal as shown in Scripture , when He returns according to Revelation 19 : 11-16.

1 Enoch 1:6 And the high mountains shall be shaken, And the high hills shall be made low, And shall melt like wax before the flame

1 Enoch 1:7 And the earth shall be wholly rent in sunder, And all that is upon the earth shall perish, And there shall be a judgement upon all (men).

Micah 1:3 For, behold, the LORD cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth.

Micah 1:4 And the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft, as wax before the fire, [and] as the waters [that are] poured down a steep place.

Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

1 Enoch 102:1-4 In those days when He hath brought a grievous fire upon you, Whither will ye flee, and where will ye find deliverance ? And when He launches forth His Word against you Will you not be affrighted and fear ?

2 And all the luminaries shall be affrighted with great fear, And all the earth shall be affrighted and tremble and be alarmed.

3 And all the angels shall execute their commandst And shall seek to hide themselves from the presence of the Great Glory, And the children of earth shall tremble and quake; And ye sinners shall be cursed for ever, And ye shall have no peace.

4 Fear ye not, ye souls of the righteous, And be hopeful ye that have died in righteousness.

This Salutation sent by Baruch Enoch Elijah Koresh .


-- Baruch Enoch Elijah Koresh (, July 05, 2004.

Nothing was removed from the Bible in the 8th century. The same 73 books of the Canon which were accepted at the end of the 4th century still comprise the Bible today, unchanged in any way. Except of course for Protestant Bibles, from which a lot has been removed.

-- Paul M. (, July 05, 2004.

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