Buffy & Spike: True Love or True Ewwww!?!

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Let's get to the issues that really matter, eh?

Don't you think it's about bloody time that Joss & Co. got off the fence and just let Buffy and Spike make sweet monkey love rather than blathering about 'havng a chip isn't the same as have dumb hair, a protuding forehead and a soul'?

Don't we, the faithful viewing public, have a right to see James Marsters naked as often as possible?

Buffy & Spike 4-ever, yo!!!

-- Anonymous, May 15, 2001


My thoughts on the subject can be summarized in the following rap lyric:

I have you grabbin on your ankles and spreadin your toes Cause I'ma fuck ya till you get a bloody nose

(I posted this at VT and have not been able to get it out of my head since.) I forget the artist but it is an actual rap song - not just me being gross.

Well hell, I guess after dissin' the rap song I oughta post my favorite lyric: So now you know the deal I'm coming real Can we leave this place? And go back to your crib and you can sit on my face

-- Anonymous, May 15, 2001

It's not that I fail to grasp the point of your message, rudeboy, but rather that I don't know how appropos rap/hip-hop is to a series in which there have been but two personages of color in over five years.

The Swedish judge must deduct, therefore, 4 points from your cumulative score.

-- Anonymous, May 15, 2001

Gabby, perhaps the following rap lyric from the same song will help clear up the confusion:

I'm tired of askin nice, I'm about to be blunt

How would you like my dick in your cunt?

Oh god. I'm sorry I wrote that. I didn't mean anything by it. But I can't stop laughing for some reason.

-- Anonymous, May 15, 2001

really gabby - I apologize. It really is a verse in the song. Don't be mad k?

-- Anonymous, May 15, 2001

It's all Beth's fault anyway. She's the one who gave the greenlight.

-- Anonymous, May 15, 2001

Rudeboy, go stand in the corner. The grownups are trying to talk. No, put that back in your pants. I warned you.


Gabby, I've got mixed feelings. On the one hand, I agree about James Marsters naked. That's really a priority, and they should do something about it. On the other hand, I just can't get down with our girl -- strong female role model and all that crap -- doing it with a serial killer. You know what I'm saying? He's no Riley, sure, but I'll be really sad if Buffy turns into whatsername ... you know, that lady who married Richard Ramirez after he was already on death row. I kind of miss him being evil, anyway. Maybe they could find a way to make him evil but naked?

-- Anonymous, May 15, 2001

Perhaps he could build a robot of himself. That's good. Or gets hit by lightning, and turns magically good when his soul gets sucked into the machinery. Or some other television/movie convention or other. Though I could be thinking of Passions right here.

Anyway, so he builds the robot, and for some reason, the robot hates clothes, those being human conventions and all, and has to run around doing naked good deeds and doing sexy things with our girl Buffster.

See, it works out! It's genius! It's both magic, and comedy gold!

They should totally hire me to like, write for them.

-- Anonymous, May 15, 2001

Yes, they should! Totally!

There's an idea right there ... maybe Spike could move over to Passions. The reason: that's on five days a week, all year round. There's not a lot of nudity, but Ethan takes his shirt off a lot, and really, no one needs to see that. JM would be much nicer.

But only if he rips Teresa's throat out.

-- Anonymous, May 15, 2001

You know, i really do wish all of you would stop drooling over my future husband James. It's not very respectful.

Frankly, i can overlook the whole "Buffy knows he's evil and shouldn't be with him" situation. I want those two together more than i ever wanted her with Angel, and that was a lot at the time. Something about it just screams yes, and i hope Joss Whedon will give in. I have a bad feeling he won't though. He'll just tease us forever.

Of course if the teasing us involves Spike being shirtless and sexy, i can take that as the second best situation...

You know, i have NEVER liked blond men, natural or bleached. Yet i drool over him like there's no tomorrow. It's unholy. I read bloody FAN FIC just to read about him and Buffy together. I look at scanned photos on fan sites. I pray for him to come to a sci fi convention in Montreal like the one he's going to in Australia. I'm not well.

-- Anonymous, May 15, 2001

Dude: fan fic -


Of course, what I really want is a lot less PG and a lot more-like-Times-Square-used-to-be-like-back-in-the-day, know what I'm sayin, and I think you do.

I think Spike should indeed be more like his old saucy self, but this is a perfect foil for Buffy since she has, to date, fallen for really fucking boring, simpering guys - with the exception of the early eps with Angel, there was no heat. With Spike, they could have a total love-hate, tons of sex thing happening - they are mad for one another, yet drive each other up a wall. And have lots of sex. With James Marsters naked, like all the time. And when he's very naughty, Buffy could strip him and chain him to a wall. For like, half a season.

-- Anonymous, May 15, 2001

I thought this was just another thread parody like mine. But no, yall're serious. You guys are sad.

-- Anonymous, May 15, 2001

Oh Gabby you rock! I know what to read tomorrow. My journal entry sidebars will suffer - "what i'm reading" will no longer list novels, it will list tons of fan fic...

And if you're looking for a kick ass Spike and Buffy fan fic, check this out:


The first two stories, "Unexpected Twist of Fate" (i believe) and the sequel "A Child is Conceived" are wonderful. That's what made me fall in love with fan fic in the first place. You just have to get past the weirdness of Spike calling Buffy "Tiger". Sheesh.

Oh man. This is what i'm reduced to... being so desperate for a relationship between those two that i run to fan fic.

I love it.

-- Anonymous, May 15, 2001

Sad. So sad.

-- Anonymous, May 15, 2001

This is, naturally, very important.


-- Anonymous, May 15, 2001

Not that I don't like Spike, think he's hot, etc., but he's still gonna have to have more personality changes (i.e. NOT on the evil side) before I think Buffy'll go for him. I think he's working his way to redemption without a soul, and good going for him, but it'll probably take awhile. However, I've read the writers don't intend for them to get together because of the lack-of-soul thing, so I'm not gonna get any hopes for it.

-- Anonymous, May 15, 2001

Umm. Cordy and me.



(excuse me)

-- Anonymous, May 15, 2001

I think someone carved out his cheekbones with a high quality chisel. I mean really. Those are spectacular. Why did he get the beautiful cheekbones while i would require a special effects artist to mimic that with my own?

I uh, think i'll go read some Buffy fan fiction now...

-- Anonymous, May 16, 2001

At the risk of blasphemy: I find his cheekbones in that photo DISTURBING.

But, my neighbor the TV critic says J.M. is nice. And while the words are sort of wishy washy sounding--that's a huge endorsement.

-- Anonymous, May 16, 2001

Man.... that photo, mmmmm. You know, a friend of mine claims to know JM's fave breakfast joint, I may have to go check it out.

-- Anonymous, May 16, 2001

I was never terribly into the idea of a Buffy/Spike love affair, but if I had been, the godawful plot device that was the Buffybot would have spoiled that completely. I never thought Spike was really that attractive (I know, I know), but he was sexy. Now he's just pathetic. He has been forever ruined in my eyes. Besides, he was so much more fun when he was EVIL! Originally, what I really wanted was a Willow/Spike hookup. I saw a lot of potential when he tried to bite her last year. But now that he has had sex with a robot, he is not allowed to be with any of my girls.

-- Anonymous, May 16, 2001

I think the alternate-universe leather girl Willow and Spike would make a great couple.

But I'm just for anything that will lead to more naked James Marsters. And it's about time Buffy dated something interesting. Angel and Riley were and are utter bores to me and not attractive at ALL.

-- Anonymous, May 16, 2001

That's true, she doesn't exactly pick the most scintillating personalities to date. At last night's Buffy-watching party an insane set was saying "Ben and Buffy should get together after this," and I'm all yeah RIGHT, I don't think so.

As for the Buffybot (which I thought was hilarious), well, some people do damn strange things when they're in love. Like, you know, build a fuckbot, threaten to kill your ex, etc.

-- Anonymous, May 17, 2001

I can't decide if this photo of James Marsters with his real hair is a good thing or a bad thing. He kind of looks like an elf. A really hot elf, but still.

-- Anonymous, May 17, 2001

No question in my mind at all - just about any man looks better with some color of hair other than "modern chemical pseudo-blonde" tips. I mean, really. Well, that and I'm a sucker for the dark and mysterious look. Honestly, I find him totally NOT attractive on Buffy, but just the opposite with his real color. Yum.

-- Anonymous, May 17, 2001

The Day Buffy sleeps with Spike is the day that the the show Jumps The Shark. She is Buffy the Vampire [b]S[/b]layer, not Buffy the Vampire Lay-er.

-- Anonymous, May 17, 2001

I don't know Beth... He's certainly attractive with the dark hair, but i think i'm so used to the bleached blonde look that it bothers me to see him with anything different. I think though, with a bit of effort, i could get over it and accept his deliciousness no matter what color his hair is.

One thing that blew me away was finding out he's not really a Brit. Like i said, i never paid any mind to him in the beginning so i just assumed his accent was real. When i heard he is actually American i was shocked. Then i went of Napster and found an MP3 of him singing a cover song. He was talking for a bit before he started and he still has a really nice smooth voice but it's so weird to hear him without the accent.

I'll only be able to date him if he promises to always talk to me with his British accent and to call me "luv" and "pet". I'm still trying to figure out how to get George to call me "luv" without him wondering why.

-- Anonymous, May 17, 2001

Yep, he's a local boy ... Central California, just like me ... just a few weeks younger than I am ... and, like me, his first car was a '65 Mustang.

Clearly, we are soulmates, and clearly, the rest of you should just back off right now.

-- Anonymous, May 17, 2001

"... just a few weeks younger than I am ... and, like me, his first car was a '65 Mustang."

Beth! I had no idea you were a '65 Mustang!

-- Anonymous, May 17, 2001

Oh, I see. Making fun of my grammar. So that's how it is.

You are so not invited to the wedding. I asked James if I should ban you from the forum, but he pointed out that you're the queen of revenge, so we've compromised by crossing you off the guest list.

-- Anonymous, May 17, 2001

Um, technically she's already BEEN Buffy the Vampire Layer. Just not with Spike.

-- Anonymous, May 18, 2001

If that's truly a concern though, i'm willing to make a sacrifice and allow myself to be cast on the show. That way Buffy can be the Vampire Slayer, and Spike can become infatuated with my new character and i'll play the Vampire Layer.

Not all the vamps. Just him.

-- Anonymous, May 18, 2001

I think that buffy and spike should have gotten together a long time ago and I think when they resserect her that shes going to go for spike because on the season finale when spike said " I know you'll never love me etc..." She had a look in her eyes that said "Spike I love you but im just to afraid to say it" And They better get together in the 6 season or ill be so pissed off and I even think that they should get together in the season premier of the 6th season when spike finds out that shes alive again.

-- Anonymous, August 14, 2001

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