Keegan - Ch4 tonight

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9pm, should be good

-- Anonymous, May 10, 2001

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Is he going to reveal the second coming of the Managerial Messiah?

-- Anonymous, May 10, 2001

He's just joined 2nd Division "sleeping giants" Newcastle United. Incisive comments from Alan Oliver (not).

Yes!!! He's just scored (KK that is, not AO).

-- Anonymous, May 10, 2001


The Messiah has arrived. Toon safe from relegation. I predict promotion!

-- Anonymous, May 10, 2001

"He has a bandwagon going. People were clammouring to join Newcastle". Kleenex, please.

-- Anonymous, May 10, 2001

The Pied Piper - indeed.

-- Anonymous, May 10, 2001


I preffered "Newcastle were down to 10,000 before Keegan joined [both times])

Yes lads, thats when you lot supported Liverpool and Arsenal instead.

-- Anonymous, May 10, 2001


Obsessed.

-- Anonymous, May 10, 2001

Just realised when watching the programme, in his Liverpool days I never pegged him as Keegan the player, When discussing an issue I and probably others at the time automatically spoke "Toshack and Keegan", Other than that he knew where his hip pocket was located in all his moves, ££££££££££ ,

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001

Actually, the Placca Makem raises a good point. I looked the stats up after Oliver's statement and attendances were far better than that. Check Niall and Biffa's site for our full attendances (and, if you're interested, those of the SMB - makes an interesting, if not surprising point).

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001

Overall, I felt pretty robbed by last nights programme. As nufc.com point out, illustrating KK's highlight in NUFC management as the Tino vs Barca game was a bit of a joke.

Where was the famous explanation to the fans of Cole's sale to Manure on the steps of St James Park? Where was the world record breaking signing of Alan Shearer? And the where was the 5-0 game?!?!?!?

The programme set out it's intentions from the start - Keegan "walking out" on England, and then set the rest of the hour establishing the case that he "walked out" on every club he's ever been with. None of this can be denied, but it strikes me as mealy mouthed to only show a few of his highlights both as player and manager.

As for those chosen to comment on the man, I doubt few would be invited to the Keegan family Christmas. Only Tenants-Super-Mac was missing. Alan bloody Oliver...FFS

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001



why do people still blindly follow his every bloody move as if it's a sign of some dramatic prophecy or something???? He steps in a pile of horse crap and people think he did it on his way back to SJP...

get over it... the man's NEVER coming back....and I thank GOD for it!!!!

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001


Disappointing. I thought there would be more on the Toon and the players he brought in. Showing Tino's goal was just sloppy programming.

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001

I am over it (medication helps) but you can't deny it was a magical few years and Newcastle United had a very good team. No harm in reminiscing is there?

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001

Watched a recording of it after coming back from the pub and I'm not sure whether it was the alcohol or the crap programme but I can't remember anything of note on that programme!

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001

dream all you like mate, I'll remember the important things...the fact that the man quit on us...twice

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001


Spraxx mate - KK had a well proven track record of doing whatever he fancied whenever he felt like it well before he joined us as player or manager. No argument. However, I also think the important facts are that he saved us from the mire of lower league oblivion twice and made Newcastle United a team to admire across the world. Are you really saying that on the day of "Keegan Quits" you told all your mates 'told you so, thank god he's gone'?

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001

I hate to correct you Bobby, but it was more credit the Halls than Keegan, and while I will credit him from saving us from Division 3, after that it was the money that turned this around, not Keegan himself.

The moment we went from a big spending chairman, to a PLC, we saw the real man for what he was, a boy tired of playing with his toy, and since daddy wasn't buying him a new one he went out and got a new daddy....

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001


After watching lastnights programe I've come to this conclusion. KK and NUFC are one in the same, they promise so much and just when they are about to deliver, they shit on you from above. Keegan the man was just like most of us are, he spoke from the heart and to be honest, from his point of view made some very good decisions. Who here wouldn't like to walk into another more prestegious job, just because they were that good? He did it everytime, and you can't blame the man for that. At the time he said he did as much as he could for us and felt he couldn't take us any further, so he'd let someone else try. I say, fair enough. If we had appointed someone who built on the keegan legacy then we would be heralding him as the man who rebuilt the toon, rather than some of us slagging him off, for no apparent reason. Yes, he made some mistakes, no reserves, etc..but who here can honestly say that they didn't love it, just love it when he was our manager. As for that night at SJP against Barcelona, I was there and it was one of the best night's I've ever spent at SJP and for that alone, I salute you Kevan Keegan, master of his own destiny.

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001

SJH must have been one of the most 'hands-on' Chairmen in the League, what with all that scouting, player purchases, player sales, team selection, coaching and half time team talks to do.

I never saw him do the after match press conference very often though!

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001


oh BTW, and was I surprised he'd quit us as manager, no I wasn't surprised, and those who know me know I predicted he'd do the same thing as England manager. That's all he is, and ever will be, and I hope Southampton do the right thing and stay clear of him....

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001

if YBR had the money Keegan had I'm positive we'd have won the double by now....oh and DeB.... don't be silly, If Keegan had YBR's funds would Ginola Tino and the rest have been here?

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001

Keegan is a legend - one of the most influential men ever to become involved in NUFC. He did things wrong but the club did more things wrong - like using the money he generated like pennies from heaven and not investing it in infrastructure (youth policy, training facilities etc). Yes, he walked out on us - but that adds to his legend. He was a superstar and like most superstars, was much too big for the firmament. I don't know where his critics think this club would be without him.

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001

Keegan paid the same for Ginola that Robson paid for Lua-Lua give or take hundred grand. Keegan paid the same for Tino that Robson paid for Carl Cort.

We'll have to disagree on this one mate, you're obviously looking at the same glass as me but we differ on how full it is.

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001


blind faith, that's all, he made us the highest spending team in the country, paying out HUGE salaries (not what the likes of Cort or Lua Lua are currently I'd imagine) and when he was all said and done delivered naught...pretty football is all well and good, but when I look at the cabinet, it still looks like old mother Hubbards....

empty.... just like that glass!!!

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001


Surely memories of a great team are better than a bit of silverware like the Worthington Cup, the culmination of a series of indifferent matches ending in a lacklustre affair that everyone has forgotten all about come the end of the season, let alone the next season.

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001

No,no,no. If it's blind faith then how come I, and some others don't hold Daglish and Gullit in the same light. If it wasn't for keegan first as a player and secondly as a manager, along with Sir John Hall, I'm convinced we would not be playing in the Premier League. I personally think the problem with Keegan was, as long as what he was doing worked, then everything was fine. As soon as things went wrong he didn't know how to change them. It was as if he was saying "hold on we've got to the top of the table playing my way, so why change that. If worked before, then it will work now".

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001

DB - Because of the rampant inflation in the transfer market over the past decade it's unfair to equate 2.5M spent on Ginola by KK in 1995 with 2.5M spent by BR in 2000 on LLL. In '95 it took 7M to break the English transfer record; by last September when LLL joined the transfer record was up to 15M (Shearer). Using this as a rather crude adjusting factor we can probably say that LLL would have cost 800K in 1995 whilst DG would have cost 7M in 2000.

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001

Had the argument countless times , last nights programme confirmed two things, we are easy pleased, easy conned and guys like Keegan and to the same degree Souness always like yer man Sparx say`s always go to a club with a sugar daddy presiding, although RIP Jack Walker a real football man. We slag off Fergy on here, we have to get real, the man served his time, took even Aberdeen all the way in Europe, remember who they beat in the final to get something in their cabinet? , what do we have, a bliddy video of a 5-0 match , see Arsenal this season ,that game is long forgot, 5-0, its bliddy called professionlism. I repeat we never had a better chance through Sir John and Keegan and he let us down and created a legend for himself while doing it, I despair. Sparx I am with you on this one mate.

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001

if YBR had the money Keegan had I'm positive we'd have won the double by now....

Sparx, Keegan won the right to spend the money by doing well in th ebargain basement, Killer, Sheedy, Venners, Bez, Lee, Cole etc.

How Alan Oliver can come out with so much crap is beyond me, lucky to get 10000? If he goes on the previous match at SJP vs Wrexham in div 2 on the last game of the season hw's right we got just over 9800 but thathwas the lowest corwd for eons.

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001


All I can tell you is that I have supported the Toon for nigh on 40 years, and during that time the only period we have been regarded as legitimate contenders for anything other than the 2nd Div Championship was during Kevin Keegan's period.

I'll admit his 'success' was relative and transient, but for three or four season you looked forward to every single game, and those visits to SJP were simply magical - you knew you were going to see something special, a team going out to steam-roller the opposition with all-out attacking, fluid, pass-and-move football.

IMHO, Keegan left, as he left England, because he was honest enough to realise he'd reached his limit and that he simply wasn't capable of taking the team any further. I see no reason to rubbish the man for admitting to his limitations.

Anyone who seriously believes THAT team, and THOSE magical moments they gave us, had more to do with SJH than Kevin Keegan must be smoking something highly dubious. So please, do the 'dreamers' and the 'easy-pleased' among us a favour, and just allow us to wallow in the only period in the last 40 years that the Toon have been consistently worth watching - at least until something comparable comes along. It could be a very long wait.

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001


well said buff....

Dave - come on son, "won the right" buying bargain basement players??? These players were good enough for the Premiership eh? So he won the right to send our wages through the roof by buying "bargain" players. He won the right to dismantle a reserve system, to offset the cost of his top flight team... oh and then what, he walks out. What right did he have to do that? What right did he have to crush the supporters dreams, just walk away from it... not once but twice!!!!!

Please tell me how glorious Sir Kevin is... please tell me how we should have our sons look up to a man whose greatest ability was the ability to QUIT!!!!

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001


yes Clarky, he did produce a side of wondrous ability, but it was a side devoid of depth and devoid of longevity. the money ran out and so did he...excuses bar none....

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001

The money ran out? The money ran just at about the time Gullit was joining. Fact - Keegan took us into Europe for the first time in twenty years, he gave us a wonderful team and memories that we will all keep forever, was ultimately responsible for us being able to buy Alan Shearer after years with the likes of Micky Quinn and is the only reason we are still in existence now. No one thinks he's perfect but he lit a spark that saved NUFC at the time.

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001

4 and 2 half seasons, ran out as soon as it got difficult, wish we could find another manager who could go 4 and 2 half seasons before it got difficult, especially if "difficult" means second in the League and European football a certainty. A career spanning 6 seasons...virtually Captain Scarlet these days.

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001

If Daglish had to win the right to spend a lot of money, we'd be in a much better position now - Claky put it as well as anyone, I've been a fan since I was 4, we played Arse & MacDonald was playing, I got back to my Grandad's & was told supermac was going to the Arse. I should have realised then it#d be a hard slog, the Keegan years were the bright spot in that slog, looked forward to every game, home & away.

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001

ooooohhhhhh that's lovely innit.....Keegan....what a lovely boy.....4 and 2 half seasons.... yes lovely innit.....really...really nice boy... lovely footie....oh don't say a bad word mind....we loves our Kevin... what wonderful memories.... never lost the plot that boy....

man do I feel ill in this lovefest.......

-- Anonymous, May 11, 2001


God this thread brings back memories.....you never change Sparxx and that's fair enough :))

At the end of the day though a lot of us are happy with Keegan and what we BELIEVE he did for the club, you might not like it and you've got a right to disagree with it....but you shouldn't knock people for it either.....

-- Anonymous, May 12, 2001


And perhaps, therein lies (one of) The problem with NUFC. 24 managers in 106 years (one of whom was in charge for nearly one third of that whole time) and only 4 lasted longer than 5 years.

It would be interesting (honest, I'm sure it would) to compare that with other clubs and to see when each had it's most successful years.

-- Anonymous, May 12, 2001


I feel the only reason to have a go at Keegan is that he didn't actually take us from 2nd to first.

Purely on League positioning he is our most successful manager since the 1920s. His 3rd in 1994 was better than anything post war. His cup record wasn't very good, but his Eurpean record has only been bettered by one Newcastle manager.

If you take the Keegan years out, and average out what came before and after, to fill the space then we would be somewhere between 14th and mid First Division. We would be like Boro, Sunderland, Bolton, Man City just yo-yoing between mediocrity in one leage and slightly better than mediocrity in the other.

Keegan cannot be separated from Hall in their times at Newcastle. They depended on each other and fed off each other.

The football played at St James Park during the last full Keegan year was the best I've ever seen, and it happened to be from the team I support. 38 goals in our 19 home games.

I feel I am realistic in saying I don't just go to see Newcastle to win trophies. (The glorious Texaco Cup victory from 1976 is a very distant memory now). I want to see good football. Once in a while through my first 20 years supporting we played well and won a few games. Through the vast majority of games played by Keegan's sides at St James Park we played sparklingly exciting football.

Those of you who feel negativity about Keegan have to think what the alternative would have been. Not many teams win things these days (Quick question ..... name the last team apart from Man U, Arsenal or Chelsea to win either the FA Cup or Premiership ? ) we came as close as anyone, playing joyous football, I am so pleased I was around to see it.

-- Anonymous, May 12, 2001


What is lovely football without the silverware behind it? Oh it was great to watch, but it's gone and we have nothing but memories of what was. No cups, championships nothing, when people look back on it, it doesn't matter at all because we have NOTHING to show for it.

Watch your Tino v barca and 5-0 against Manure tapes, I'm sure the scousers have got enough 4-3 tapes to shut us up.

-- Anonymous, May 12, 2001


YOU clearly have nothing to show for it, sparxx. I would have thought that by now you would have realised that many Mags are happy with their memories of a wonderful period - so just give it a rest will you.

We've all got the message, you hate Kevin Keegan more than the mackems do - fine, just quit rubbing our noses in our nostalgia.

-- Anonymous, May 12, 2001


That table just goes to show Ardiles wasn't given enough time.

Or money

-- Anonymous, May 15, 2001


If I hadn't had the Keegan years what would I have. (I was first allowed to go to a game on my own in August 1974.)

-- Anonymous, May 15, 2001

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