Dyer Gone?

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Just heard via Sky that Manure have offered £24 million for the wonder kid. Hope it's not true, but if it is, at that price he's gone. Freddie will snatch their fingers off. Glad I heard before I renewed the season tickets. I can do without a fortnightly round trip of 600 miles to watch cack.Better start checking out the Nationwide grounds, boys. Terry

-- Anonymous, May 05, 2001

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Well that's very interesting considering the following article in tonight's Ronnie (extract only):

Kieron Dyer will not be allowed to leave Newcastle United in the close season. This is the decision from the top - from chairman Freddie Shepherd.

Shepherd has stayed silent since The Chronicle revealed a week past Tuesday that United had turned down a £15 million bid from Manchester United for their prize asset, and that Sir Alex Ferguson was coming back with a £20 million bid in the summer.

However a United insider told me today: "Ferguson is wasting his time. And so is anyone else thinking they can get Dyer away from here. For there is no way the chairman is even thinking of selling Kieron Dyer. It was the chairman who brought Dyer to the club and he wants to build a team around him.
He has made no comment on the Dyer situation because he does not talk about any transfer business and certainly not about what bid the club may or may not have had for one of our players. But even £20 million would not tempt us to part with Kieron Dyer. Make no mistake about it Kieron Dyer will be playing for us when he recovers from injury at the start of next season
."

When I relayed this message to Dyer he said simply: "That's fine by me. That's what I want."

United know it would be difficult for them to hang onto Dyer if he knocks on their door and says he wants to go - even though he still has three years on his contract - and they also accept that it would be difficult for them to turn down silly money - say £30 or £40 million for Dyer.

How about £24 million then? This bid - if of course real - has clearly been pitched at a level Manure will believe we cannot realistically turn down.
This is perhaps the biggest ever test of our ambition - and frankly, it's a decision I don't envy FS having to make.

-- Anonymous, May 05, 2001


Thanks for giving me some momentary relief (you know what I mean!) Clarky, and I hate these stories as much as the next bloke, but I'm not looking forward to tomorrows papers, and I don't just mean because I'll end up reading yet another poxy match review. I just don't think we should hold our breath, that's all. With their money, and much as I would like them to disappear down a very large hole, what Manure want Manure eventually get (except Al, that is/was). Terry

-- Anonymous, May 05, 2001

I understand exactly where you're coming from Terry - and share your concerns.

To be fair to Freddie Shepherd, if Manure have/do offer £24 million for YKD, it puts him in an extraordinarily difficult position as Chairman of a plc. In every respect this is the biggest ever test of our ambition.

-- Anonymous, May 05, 2001


(sorry, I meant to add).......especially as the player himself is putting no pressure whatsoever on the Club in making its decision.

-- Anonymous, May 05, 2001

At £24M, I would be very tempted. Make no mistake, I'd love him to stay, but we need a lot of rebuilding, and £24M would go a long way to doing that. Ignoring "emotive" aspects, we could get the likes of Petit, Bridges (if fit) and a decent defender and still have change left for anoth good player - not to mention the money Dougie "promised". Oh, hang on a minute........£100M over 3 years. That's only another £9M to find then for this season's installment.

-- Anonymous, May 05, 2001


heard nowt on SKY regarding Dyer

-- Anonymous, May 05, 2001

£24m is what you roughly get in one season off Sky from now on.

Would we prepared to spend the £24m on a similar level player - 22 year old, blistering pace, several international caps. If we aren't prepared to do that then sell him. If in the future we'd contmeplate spending all our money on one player then lets pretend and spend it on Keiron Dyer now.

-- Anonymous, May 05, 2001


Are Manure really going to offer that for a player who is currently recovering from injury?

-- Anonymous, May 05, 2001

There would be strings attached to the offer Steph such they could get out of it if he didn't prove his fitness.

-- Anonymous, May 05, 2001

Sell Dyer for £25M, buy Thuram for the money. Barton can stay...and polish his shoes.

Seriously 24M is a lot of money but I still dont want them to sell....i think. Agree with you, a really hard decision for F to make. I dont envy him.

-- Anonymous, May 05, 2001



I've never been any good at estimating the "worth" of stuff and normally come out with shit like "49p for a tin of soup?, you should be wearing a mask" but at £24m well thats a big lottery win, I would not blame the bloke if he caved (I reserve the right to change my mnd when I'm sober)

Cheers for the info on the Zoo Mac, went today in the glorious sunshine, castle tomorrow all being well.

-- Anonymous, May 05, 2001


Every

player has his price. If a price is offered in excess of what we consider him to be worth, and if we think we can do better with the money, then he shoud go. Else, keep him. Dyer is very young and will still be worth £20m+ in 2-3 years.

It broke our hearts to sell Alan Suddick in the 60's. St Joe Harvey bought 3 players with the £60k haul and they were instrumental in saving us from relegation. It broke our hearts to see Andy Cole sold a few seasons back. The following summer we were in a position to buy Sir Les, Ginola and Barton and launch a title challenge. Selling a player does not necessarily signify lack of ambition.

If Dyer is to be sold (and I hope not), then the first thing we should do would be to notify the likes of Real Madrid, Barca, Juve etc, pointing out that Man Utd want him - would they be interested instead? Wherever possible we should try and avoid selling star players to direct competitors, although obviously, it should be an objective to make the likes of Real, Barca etc our competitors also.

One further thought - if Dyer was sold for £24m would you want to see YBR spending the cash after Bassedas, Gavilan, Quinn? I must say I'm concerned about recent decisions. If we can decide that Quinn is worth £800k and Glass can go for nothing, then I think that serious errors of judgement are being made.



-- Anonymous, May 05, 2001

A lot can be given away by the choice of words somebody uses. When Bobby was talking about this the other day he said it was a problem in this country due tothe Godlike status Man Utd enjoy with the press.

He said that the media look around the country and decide who should be playing for their darlings and then go about making it a reality. What was interesting about this though was that he said, "When they've got Dyer the media will start looking around for a centre half for them." Maybe a mountain out of a mole-hill, but that simple "when" would be enough to end a political career or get you a trip to jail under other circumstances.

-- Anonymous, May 06, 2001


Things have moved on since the days of Alan Suddick Jonno, and while sympathising with FS in having to make what would be a very difficult decision, I stand by my original statement that "if Manure have indeed offered £24mm.....this is the biggest ever test of the Club's ambition".

Why? Because players like this are so incredibly difficult to get hold of these days. In this ludicrously inflated market I'm not certain even £24 million is "an offer we couldn't refuse", and I'm less than convinced we could buy three players from the proceeds who would really make a massive difference to our squad.

In my mind, if we truly are in the position that Joe Harvey found himself - wherein there really was no other way of funding the acquisition of players necessary to keep us in the division - then we should accept the £24mm, and use it wisely. However, if the financial situation is as Douglas Hall was recently bragging about, then we should keep him and buy the other three players as well - that way we might really improve the squad overall.

That is why I see this as a test of our ambition, and perhaps integrity. If the situation is the former one - ie. we really need to sell YKD to finance other moves - then Douglas Hall's lying @rse should, if necessary, be forcibly removed from SJP!

BTW, Wayne Quinn IS worth every penny of £800k - that's precisely what you get for £800k these days. Indeed, Bassedas is also about what you can expect for £3.5mm!

-- Anonymous, May 06, 2001


The problem is that no player of Dyer's calibre would join us so we couldn't replace him: make no mistake, any lack of transfer activity this summer won't be just stinginess on the part of the board. Imagine you're Figo, would you join a side that wasn't in Europe and hadn't even been in the PKL top ten for 3 seasons?

-- Anonymous, May 06, 2001


Luis Figo, and that world-class quality of player would laugh in our face at the very suggestion, but at the next tier - still representing top-class - money talks.

Anyway, DH reckons he can bring "players of the quailty of Rivaldo" to SJP - so bloody well get on with it, Duggy babe.

-- Anonymous, May 06, 2001


Clarky, I agree that money talks but when it talks really loudly, you tend to find you et stuck witrh mercenary gets rather than people who want to play for NUFC.

-- Anonymous, May 06, 2001

So we are told that the Chairman brought Dyer to Newcastle -- I am unclear as to whether that means he paid for him out of his own pocket or was the chauffeur. I wonder if the Chairman was also responsible for bringing the highly paid under performing bunch of mediocrities that make up most of the current team and the rejects we had to offload at below cost. On his own admission according to the notorious reports of his escapades in Spain, he was responsible for driving out Kevin Keagan. What about the other stars that made up that team -- did him drive them out too. It was the only team to provide us with five years of great football and high placing in almost two generations. As for Dyer leaving at 20 million plus. On the evidence of our buys since Keegan left, does anyone really have confidence in how the money would be spent?

-- Anonymous, May 06, 2001

If inflation dictates that a player who cost us 7mil and still exhibits nothing more than potential to be truly great can cost 24mil 2 years later then we ought to sell him and build a state of the art Academy and training facilities, because we won't be able to afford anyone to complement him and would be better off putting ourselves in a position to breed/train/mould/produce them. It's going to cost a damn site more than 40mil to fix our current problems and Dyer will be walking away for nowt by then anyway. Smell the coffee: we're shit and he needs at least 4 players around him good enough to get the best out of him. That's 2 mobile, clinical finishers ahead of him and 2 ball-winners along side him.

-- Anonymous, May 06, 2001

If i was to sell Dyer at 24 million (i´m imagining i´m the chairman) i would do it knowing (based on the facts of history) that i´d probably be able to buy three or four average players who would probably get injured, suffer loss of form, get fed up etc... I would also know that the fans would get seriously disgruntled, perhaps not renew tickets, buy new shirt etc, which leads me to believe we are most likely to sell Dyer around about September when a) he´s fit b) his replacement is bought and his name is on shirts c) (its the big C) season tickets are bought... subsequently we suffer a worse season than this years crap due to severe disgruntlement. To summarise we´ll sell Dyer in the autumn - i´m convinced and his replacement will be Mr Sikora, Mr Who?

-- Anonymous, May 07, 2001

Swift,

I have feeling Sikora is coming here. What are the chances of him becoming JDT MarkII?

-- Anonymous, May 07, 2001


I know the board appear not to have a clue but surely they wouldn't be clueless enough not to make sure as many season tickets as possible are renewed by having two or three new faces (hopefully known big(ish) name) already signed up before the season ticket cut off date.

If there are no new faces prior to cut off date, I could see me trying to call their bluff by delaying my renewal and taking a chance that there'll be a lot more thinking along the same lines I am.

When a manager states categorically that so-and-so will be sold only 'over my dead body', and then adds the rider that however strongly he feels about it, it's taken out of his hands if somebody offers really daft money and so-and-so ends up being sold, it worries me that that's exactly what's going to happen - unless you're manure.

We've got to start thinking big when something big is at stake. Why should we (and most of the rest of the premiership) appear to be little more than feeder clubs for the likes of manu?

I agree that the least that should be done in those circumstances is to ensure that the player sold can't come back to haunt us by selling only to a foreign club.

I must admit that I'm still naive enough to think we're a football club first and a business second - no matter how well run a business is, if the product is crap, it won't sell.

If the business is not very well run but the product is world class, it seems to me you'll only end up making less profit than you could if the business was better run.

Or are the two mutually inclusive - you can only have a good product if you have good management ? I'm not convinced about that.

-- Anonymous, May 08, 2001


What if Leeds Offered Ian Harte, Micheal Bridges and £5 million?

-- Anonymous, May 08, 2001

Make that £10 million and I'd be very tempted.

-- Anonymous, May 08, 2001

Rik
If Leeds did that they'd be as daft and useless as we are.

-- Anonymous, May 09, 2001

The last dopey rumour I saw was Harte, Bridges AND Alan Smith for Dyer!

-- Anonymous, May 09, 2001

Tell them to chuck in Rio Ferdinand and we can start negotiations.

-- Anonymous, May 09, 2001

I think we're all missing the point. If Leeds offered, say, Harte and Bridges for Dyer we should just buy Harte and Bridges and keep Dyer. Clearly there offering would imply a tacit sign that these players are available, so bloody well get them.

-- Anonymous, May 09, 2001

That would project a belief of ambition within the club and a well thought out approach to the upcoming transfer system ruling.

Not ever likely in this century is it?

-- Anonymous, May 09, 2001


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