I drink a couple of glasses of wine on occasion and always wondered if this qualifies me as an alcoholic. I was relieved to find out I am not.

test

-- (test@time. Get your pencils out.), May 02, 2001

Answers

The abuse of alcohol or street drugs is a problem that effects an estimated 10% of the population.

define abuse...

-- Uncle Bob (unclb0b@aol.com), May 02, 2001.

I took the test and it told me that if I prayed hard enough, keep a positive mental attitude, and set goals and work hard to achieve them that all of my dreams would come true, and that I am not a drunk.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), May 02, 2001.

I dont abuse alcohol or drugs. I, in fact, abuse nobody :-)

BTW, why did you feel the need to single us out? And not give yer name?

If you are a known member, I'd have no prob w/you asking. Are you?

-- sumer (shh@aol.con), May 02, 2001.

Took it. No problems here.......move along......

I do have a couple 'bad' habits but they don't seem to interfere with anything.

If they ever do, hopefully I'll be able to handle it.

Deano

-- Deano (deano@luvthebeach.com), May 02, 2001.

I refuse to take the test on the grounds my answers may tend to incarcerate me.

-- Rich (howe9@shentel.net), May 02, 2001.

Co-workers tell me that I should drink and take drugs!

-- kb8 (kb8um8@yahoo.com), May 02, 2001.

There, I just took two Advils. Does that count for anything? They make me high if I take them on an empty stomach and chase them with a Dew.

-- kb8 (kb8um8@yahoo.com), May 02, 2001.

Results for me....

Your Score Is 0 of a possible score of 30

You do not have a problem with addiction to drugs or alcohol.

-- Ain't Gonna Happen (Not Here Not@ever.com), May 02, 2001.

Your Score Is 3 of a possible score of 30

You do not have a problem with addiction to drugs or alcohol.

hmmm.

-- sumer (shh@aol.con), May 02, 2001.

I couldn't get into the test. I'm pretty sure it would have said, "You're not an alcoholic, but you're DEFINITELY a man!" Heh. My cousin was raised by a mom who was SUPER anti-alcohol. If her dad received a bottle from a work acquaintance as a Christmas gift, my aunt would pour the stuff down the sink. This always left my cousin feeling guilty, because [much like you], she enjoyed a few glasses of wine on occasion with her husband.

Karen never knew about our Uncle Ole. I spent several days with him, my folks, my oldest daughter, and his sister and her family in their home in Oslo. This guy could drink! I don't remember WHAT he drank, but I remember him drinking to the point of throwing up and his sister and her husband having to help him up the stairs to bed every night. He seemed bright-eyed and bushy-tailed early each morning and took us all over Oslo site-seeing. ONE morning, however, I peeked into the kitchen. His sister and her husband were providing him with a few shots of "the hair of the dog that bit him the night before."

Of course this experience gave me the impression that my Uncle Ole was an alcoholic, and for all I know he was. However, IF he was, he sure managed to maintain a VERY productive life until his death. He ran a business that made a GREAT living for his family here in the States, paid the tuition for his girls to go to very expensive schools, and left my Aunt with a very comfortable nest-egg for HER retirement years.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), May 02, 2001.

Your Score Is 0 of a possible score of 30

You do not have a problem with addiction to drugs or alcohol.

But then I knew that. I never tried street drugs except pot a few times at 18, and twice after the AirForce, 1 puff-I'm on my ass, have no tolerance and don't like not being in total control of my mind.
I can drink if I want to, or not, Haven't in over two years because I had responsibilities that needed my attention 24 hours a day, and definatly have no desire to drink when stressed or upset, which has been the case in the past 6 months. I would drink now if I felt like it, I can hold my likker real well, daddy tought me how, I used to drink the guys under the table in the military.

I do enjoy a drink or two in the evening and more when out. Just haven't really though about it.

Why was I asked? Do I act like I dring too much or do street drugs?

-- Cherri (jessam5@home.com), May 02, 2001.

Test,

Nope,it said moi is okie-dokie and then presented me with 2 fer 1 coupons at Hooters,thanks.

A little totty is good for the body : )

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), May 02, 2001.

I am legally dead.

-- (nemesis@awol.com), May 02, 2001.

OK, I took the bait.

Your Score Is 3 of a possible score of 30

You do not have a problem with addiction to drugs or alcohol.

I've never liked pot -- this has always seemed very strange to me since so many others love it. It's made me paranoid every time I've tried it so I stopped trying.

If I have a couple glasses of wine or a gin and tonic I'm fine. I'd not make a very good alcoholic. It doesn't take much alcohol to make me puke my guts out esp. now that I am older. I used to be quite the party-er. I knew that it would end with my head in the toilet bowl, though.

How someone can drink every day without getting violently ill and wishing they were dead is something I cannot understand, but we is all different folks. I think I got a glimpse of it as I do remember drinking for 3 days non-stop at fraternity weekends. I think the trick is to never try and sober up, then no problem. Heh.

-- Debbie (dbspence@usa.net), May 02, 2001.

"test@time" -

I'd be happy to take your test but unfortunately I can't. As luck would have it, the ceiling-high pyramid of empty beer cans I've been stacking on my desk for the last 14 hours just collapsed and crushed my computer's mouse. If I can ever sober up long enough to remember where I parked my car, I'll drive to the store and get a replacement. Check back with me in a week or two. Thanks.

Debbie!- Where ya been? Ya never write, ya never phone, ya never come over to my house for romantic candle-lit dinners. You rarely even ever post here anymore. I'm beginning to think you're trying to avoid me. Say it isn't so! By the way, I feel exactly the same way as you do regarding pot. I too never could get past that miserable paranoia effect. I don't care for it at all.

-- CD (costavike@hotmail.com), May 02, 2001.

CD, the only beer can I can think of sturdy enough to do damage to a mouse is Foster's "Oil Can". Am I right? Huh? Huh? Huh?

BTW, this week's issue of Time magazine contains a fine article written by Patti Davis on drug addiction. A peek into the potential dangers of 'hard' drug use.

Regarding comments on folks not enjoying the effects of pot: This is an argument I've made for a looong time. Legalization of marijuana WILL NOT lead to a society of potheads. No drug is appealing to everyone. Those who would choose to abuse legal marijuana on a daily basis are a tiny percentage of the population, IMO.

Legalize it.

[The preceding message was brought to you by one who does not use marijuana now, but would use it medicinally if afforded a legal option to do so.]

-- Rich (howe9@shentel.net), May 02, 2001.

Agreed rich.

Also, as one who USED to consume MASS, and I mean MASS quantities of pot, I can tell you from first had experience that many people hate the effect, some people love it, some are just plain old indifferent to it. As time went by I found myself enjoying the high less and less, and one day I just stopped smoking it. I don't miss it. It is not addictive in the common sense that tobbacco is, is not responsible for tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of deaths each year, and yet tobbacco is the darling of the Conservative's "free to choose, let folks be responsible for their choices" charade.

What a joke.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), May 02, 2001.

No, Rich. My pyramid was built exclusively with Anheusier-Bush product. I'm too patriotic to buy that Australian swill. I'm a firm believer in the policy of "Drink American!"

Regarding comments on folks not enjoying the effects of pot: This is an argument I've made for a looong time. Legalization of marijuana WILL NOT lead to a society of potheads. No drug is appealing to everyone. Those who would choose to abuse legal marijuana on a daily basis are a tiny percentage of the population, IMO.

Good point. Never looked at it that way before. Makes sense to me.

-- CD (costavike@hotmail.com), May 02, 2001.

Hear,Hear!!! CD, Bud-heavy,Bud-light or....?

As much as I like to imbibe,if given the choice between one or the other I'd have to go with the reefer.If for no other reason because of the long term health risks associated with alkeehaul.

A bottle of red,a bottle of white.....

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), May 02, 2001.

"It all depends upon your apetite..." Great song, capn.

Unk, I too consumed massive quantities. Once I understood that with marijuana one can keep tolerance quite low while maintaining the quality of high, I cut back from an ounce a week of good quality sinsemilla (when I could afford it) to between an 1/8th and 1/4 oz. depending on how many folks I was turning on. I stopped smoking just as you did. It was time and I put it down without a problem.

Toxic levels of marijuana are unreachable through smoking or eating. One cannot overdose, unlike with alcohol, cocaine and derivatives, opiates, barbituates, etc, etc, etc.

CD, in support of Eve, Killian's is a Coors product. I remember when Coors 'invaded' Northern NJ back in the 1980's. They were (and maybe still are) a non-union brewery. As a bartender I was quite aware of the bias. Capn knows my thoughts on Budweiser. I'll not insult you publicly. :)

-- Rich (howe9@shentel.net), May 02, 2001.

Regarding the pot thing, I think I'm one of the people who WOULD use it if it were legal. I pretty much gave it up in 1980 because I was traveling to Norway and I didn't know the drug laws there. I've used it since in countries where it WAS dealt with in an over-the-counter sortof fashion [like Amsterdam, Jamaica, Hawaii, etc.] Well, it was still illegal in Hawaii [and Hawaii isn't another country], but my brother-in-law made a "buy" of some pretty terrific Maui Wowee and shared it with us.

Overall, however, I agree with you. During the years I'd used it, my Ex tried it and only fell asleep. He was more into alcohol and tobacco. We actually complemented each other for a number of years, as I'd toke up at home before a party, he'd drive to the party and drink all night and by the time it was time to go home, I'd be totally straight. It was also a lot of fun to drink milk and eat cookies while everyone else was sucking up alcohol.

IMO, there hasn't been a test yet on how society would react. I know some of you have used the Netherlands as a test-case, but the Netherlands is a very small country and drug users have moved there from all over Europe [and even the U.S.] due to their lax drug laws. I've seen the country slide downhill as a result. You may remember my oldest daughter's desire to visit Christiania [a suburb of Copenhagen]. It was a hell-hole. She'd heard from some young men from Houston that she met in Berlin that Christiania was BEAUTIFUL. It may have been beautiful to them AFTER they bought the drugs, but what WE saw was a community totally lacking in repair. She couldn't wait to get out of there and said, "Mom...let's get out of here before we get mugged."

I had some interesting discussions with #2 while she was here this past weekend. All three of my kids have tried Marijuana. We discussed that one, Ecstasy, and many of the others being pushed to kids today. #2's current boyfriend is a fitness trainer who was involved in a Cocaine bust when he was 15. He's 19 or 20 now and I think his drug bust and the consequences of six months in boot camp, refusal by the Marines, etc. has discouraged him from doing drugs in the future. As I said in another thread, I think it sucks that he's ineligible for a student loan due to something he did in his middle teens. It strikes me as cutting off all his future options due to a dumb mistake he made as a kid. I haven't met him yet, but he sounds like a fervent anti-drug type. I even heard the term "gateway drug" used over the weekend, and I hadn't heard THAT one since my youth.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), May 02, 2001.

"I am legally dead."

Nemisis - goddmamn, you are one funny mother effer....

Not the 1st time you've mad me laugh out loud. Could be Lars, but I ain't got that fancy software....

Too funny! Deano

-- deano (deano@luvthebeach.com), May 02, 2001.

Coors~~~Ah, the memories. It is refrigerated from the time it is made until you drink it, unlike other beers. I got it taht way when stationed in Texas. I had a bicycle for transportation and left a six pack in my basket one hot day after work. I took it in the next day and refrigerated it. When I took one of them out after it had cooled I ended up spitting it out in the sink, it was gross.

Places Washington State where I now live, has laws about ?pasterization (homoginization?), where beer had to be heated to a certain temperature somewhere in the timeframe of beginning to make it until it was sold in state. That ruined it. people whined about Coors not being sold here so they went to court. The company tried to explain that the quality would suffer and people wouldn't want it. They were forced to sell it here anyway. In the tiny hope it was not true I bought some (this is somewhere in the past 25 years~). It was bad, I could tell it had not been kept cold. I notice now that it gets stacked so it reaches room temperature even now. I don't know if our laws have changed, we had an ecoli outbreak from fruit juice a few years ago so they may have. If I could find a source of never warmed Coors I would enjoy it emensly.

Asfor POT, I have always wanted to spoke some and watch fantasia. Maybe some day..when I don't get parinoid. The first time I tried it I was so parinoid, I thought I was breathing too fast so I slowed down, then thought it was to slow so I hyperventalated, it didn't help that my friend crashed leaving me to deal with it by myself. Her brother came in later and I told him the problem so he destracted me with a psychadelic poster. Throughout the years I would be strait, around people who were high and I would play little mind tricks on them *grin*. At one stage I had a little box of it on my mantle with papers for guests, although I never touched it myself. I would offer it the same as offering a beverage. Things are different these days I think. Maybe not~don't know I guess.

Coors was great for the dry heat of Texas, Miller was good for the humid beach life in Florida. Depends on my enviroment what I like to embibe.

-- Cherri (jessam5@home.com), May 02, 2001.

Cherri--

I'm surprised that you would patronize Coors. Adolph is a villian to the Left.

OK, I get it. Beer transcends politics. I agree.

-- Lars (larsguy@yahoo.com), May 03, 2001.

It is important to answer the questions honestly, denial is very typical of alcoholism.

-- cyber freud (you know @ who. you are), May 03, 2001.

You're right freud. Saying never was so easy! heehee

-- (cin@cin.cin), May 03, 2001.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Never say never unless you are a liar, in which case you can say you are never completely honest.

-- cyber freud (honesty @ best. policy), May 03, 2001.

for the record there cyber, what was your score? :-)

Denial, it is just a river in egypt.

My son knocked over a bottle of beer and said "alcohol abuse", therefore, via his definition, I have Not abused alcohol. LOL.

-- sumer (shh@aol.con), May 03, 2001.

Geez, this is a damn good test. It called me a liar and said that as an alcoholic I can't be trusted with classified information. It said I wasn't woman and only dreamt about my life so far. Hmmmmm Maybe I do need to sober up.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), May 03, 2001.

LOL Maria!

-- (cin@cin.cin), May 03, 2001.

I had some pot back in the late 70's that was laced with something, probably Paraquat. I started getting numb in my hands and feet and feeling like I was maybe going to die. My breathing got labored and shallow. After another similar but less intense experience soon after, I gave it up and never got started again. Damn Feds!

-- Ex-Toker (glad@to.be.still.alive), May 03, 2001.

Ex-Toker, it may have been laced with PCP (Angel Dust). I had a couple similar experiences with Buddha Thai weed I purchased regularly in Brooklyn. It was 'dusted' by the jokers who sold it. Not pleasant.

-- Rich (howe9@shentel.net), May 03, 2001.

Thanks for your input.

Anita, I've heard of enablers before but your aunt takes the cake. I guess helping the ol boy into an early grave made that nest egg more fun.

Aunt Bee is that how you manage to wake up early after drinking hard all night?

Cherri, Yes, you act like you dring too much. We know it stems from your prescription drug addiction. (Clever how you mentioned street drugs to avoid the issue.)

lol nemesis!

Thanks for sharing, Deb S.

CD your words speak for themselves.

Rich and Uncle, I agree it should be legalized. I think everything should be legalized because I recently converted to Libertarian. (It's a long story but Unc and Jose showed me the light.)

cyber freud, good points.

-- (test@time. Get your pencils out.), May 03, 2001.

CD your words speak for themselves. Well thank you, "test". I really try to make them do that but, alas, I am not always as successful at it as I'd like. I have particular difficulty in having them correctly interpreted by the sanctimonious. But then again, I guess if a person having that type of personality mattered to me, I'd try harder huh.

-- CD (costavike@hotmail.com), May 03, 2001.

Anita, I've heard of enablers before but your aunt takes the cake. I guess helping the ol boy into an early grave made that nest egg more fun.

I think you misinterpreted what I said. My aunt wasn't on the trip, and I don't really know if she was aware of his drinking habits. He WAS on vacation, so it could be that this wasn't something in which he normally engaged. I'd agree that his sister and her husband were quite the "enablers."

I think there's a big difference between what folks do daily while engaging in the "get up and go to work" routine and what they do on vacation. Most of the folks that visit places like Hedonism I and Hedonism II spend the entire year doing the "straight-laced, societally-approved" thing and spend a week blowing off steam. I don't think one can judge a person based on their actions while on vacation.

Then again, I don't think it's MY job to judge others at all, and it's beginning to look like you started this thread to pass judgment on folks based on the fun they had while on vacation.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmal.com), May 03, 2001.

Then again, I don't think it's MY job to judge others at all, and it's beginning to look like you started this thread to pass judgment on folks based on the fun they had while on vacation.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmal.com), May 03, 2001.

Now remember, I do leave for Madiera Beach tomorrow....

Drink

Drank

Unwind.

And NOT ashamed either. Will I party? Yes. Bigtime. I do enjoy meeting new people and am looking forward to a -----fill in the blank drink wise while dipping my northern way to white toes in the sand by (this ones for you capn) the outdoor tiki bar.

YESSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

-- sumer (shh@aol.con), May 03, 2001.

Sumer!!!!,

You are makin' moi jealous and more than likely Deano too.Wish I were off to lounge in the sun and sand,lollygaggin round the tiki bar.

In June,almost a month from now,we will be off to the MB adventure,hope things change and youre able to make it.

If I can find enough palm fronds I'll build my own damn tiki bar on the beach,just fer shits and giggles.I can hear it now,cold beer!,margarita's!,step right up,step right up!!!

No cover-no charge for the Wild Wild West folks!!!

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), May 03, 2001.

"CD your words speak for themselves"?

Huh? Well it was a worthwhile thread, but for someone to ruminate over exactly when MY physical or psychological addiction begins is meaningless and dishonest. Such activity is used to bolster egos and fund the livelihoods of the entire legion of counselors, therapists, researchers, and government "experts" who are all too ready to slap a label on you.

There is only ONE valid point, complete self-honesty. Substance addictions are specific experiences that we have trained ourselves into believing are "more needed" than other experiences. The more we pay attention to ALL experience, the less we are attached to specific experiences.

If one thinks of "society" as something that plays a part in molding the consciousness of the individual, we be in much more trouble than that.... What of America's love/hate affair with drugs? I used to sit in school and stare out the window, and that's all it was. Now people enter into agreements with authoritative "experts" and become the labels affixed to them. ADD, Dysthmia, Social Phobia, indeed. If there isn't a pill to take for it, yet, you can be sure the world's #1 profitable industry is working on one and the professionals are lining up to prescribe it to you. It's enough to make you want to chill out with a .... whatever

-- Debbie (dbspence@usa.net), May 03, 2001.

Sumer,

Yaw'll have a safe and mucho FUN trip,oh and watch out for the land sharks! : )

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), May 03, 2001.

CD, Unk, some people hate the effect? (of pot) In all honesty I did NOT know this. Thank you for that information, it's really quite reassuring, somehow.

Hi CD, Dare I say it, I think you must be mixing me up with the other Deb (Debra). That is, if I remember things right from last year... Great to see you anyway. ;-) , haven't you been away too? Anyway you seem to bein doing exceptionally well and very articulate these days.

Good point Rich. The idea that all pot smokers become enslaved, out of control daily users is WAY overblown. Most people simply ARE self-regulating (one way or another) in the substance department, and this is about the soundest "general" argument that I can think of, in the LONG run, in favor of legalization.

-- Debbie (dbspence@usa.net), May 03, 2001.

Hi capn, long time no hear from ya...

The ONLY reason I cant make it in June is because my boss enlisted me to attend a business function in Columbus ohio june 4th - 7th...Dammit.

OTOH, all expenses are paid for business, and I get to 'play' in the evening. But, I wanted to meet you all in Myrtle. BTW, I did get my money back from the hotel I had already booked.

Hey Capn: What IS a tiki bar? Call me dumb, but my sister told me bout it, i've heard you talk bout it, but have little clue on what it is....how bout I get some pics too?

-- sume (shh@aol.con), May 03, 2001.

A tiki bar is an open bar with wood stools, a grass roof, and lots of cold beers and tropical drinks!

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), May 03, 2001.

Sumer,

A tiki bar is a lil bar usually made out of bamboo and dried palm fronds,decorated with island,ocean paraphanelia and is VERY laid back.And is ideally next to the ocean.

The MB trip is the 6th through the 10th,so,you *could* hop in the car and come on down,some will be coming in on the 7th as well.If not,you know I'll send you the pics.Think about it?

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), May 03, 2001.

sumer

Have a great trip down here! Gulf Coast is extremely nice where you're headed. Gauranteed you'll know a tiki bar when you see one. It's like when you smell someone smoking pot for the 1st time - you just 'instinctively' know what it is!

capn

Although I'm only a mile or so from the beach, I'm jealous of anyone going on vacation when I'm not!!

Deano

-- Deano (deano@luvthebeach.com), May 03, 2001.

Deano,

Now you've really went and done it,1 mile!!!??? I AM JEALOUS!!!

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), May 03, 2001.

Sumer,

Drop me a quick E and I'll show you a Tiki bar,you'll love it.

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), May 03, 2001.

OK, enough is enough. This forum has been captured by the dope fiends. Please, dear people watch this film. It will explain your drug addiction. It may be too late to save yourself but it is not too late to save your children from reefer madness!

-- (nemesis@awol.com), May 03, 2001.

capn

OK, maybe 2 miles (that better?? :-). I'm right on the NW corner of US90 and the Intracoastal Waterway (that's about 16 blocks and a river to cross). Has its ups and downs. Low tide on the ICW on a hot day up here can, sometimes, be a lil' funky smelling with all the oyster beds exposed.

On the other hand, I can walk over to the marina and rent a jet ski for an afternoon.

Deano

-- Deano (deano@luvthebeach.com), May 03, 2001.

Yeah, life's a bitch here in FL huh Deano? The shit we have to deal with on a daily basis, LOL, just awful!

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), May 03, 2001.

JET SKI,,,,,,,MY FAVORITE.

Deano, where is the cheapest place to rent where i'll be?

Going rate?

Thank you........hey, we could always meet for a cold one, you and the mrs, and my hubby, IF you want?

-- sumer (shh@aol.con), May 03, 2001.

Nem,

Oh what memories,I was shown that film in a health & PE class in high school and the teacher was serious about us watching it.The hillarious thing about it was,I was higher than 90 when the film started rolling,I could hardly contain myself,the teacher was NOT amused.

Deano,

2 miles eh? Well,I'm not soooo distraught now but still jealous none- the-less.Oyster beds? You just keep rubbing it in don't ya? Have you no mercy my friend?

One day (SOON) I will trade in my land locked ways and permanently migrate to a more tropical clime,until then,at least I have the summer.

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), May 03, 2001.

Unk

Yep. It sux alright;-) Being a native, I'm still trying to get used to July-August, sometimes it just gets downright HOT!

Sumer

Honestly do not know the rates over there. Been to Madiera (sp?) once and that was a long time ago. It is beautiful!! Around here, you can rent one for about 10-20 an hour, maybe 30-50 for all day. Really depends on the time of year also. You're hitting the Gulf during the 'prime-rate' season. Regardless of cost, you'll have a blast!

capn

We could use another fine, upstanding citizen. Know anybody?? ;-)

Deano

-- Deano (deano@luvthebeach.com), May 03, 2001.

Debbie (dbspence)-

My apologies for having confused you with Deb/Debra. I assure you I have it straight now. Good to see you again too. Your absence has indeed been noticed. BTW, thanks for the kind words. I can't imagine where you could have found any scribblings of mine that would warrant the term "articulate", but the compliment is none the less much appreciated. (Hmm... are you sure you haven't confused ME with somebody else? ;-)

-- CD (costavike@hotmail.com), May 03, 2001.

Cherri, Yes, you act like you dring too much.And how do people who drinG too much act? As for acting like I drink too much, it's funny, when I do drink I don't have as many problems expressing myself through words. I really would like to know what actions people think "shows" (in an on-line forum) that another poster is "drinking TOO much, anyone have opinions on this? We know it stems from your prescription drug addiction. Guess I'm BUSTED here, I must be addicted to the coumandin and HRT (premarin) I take on a daily bases (Clever how you mentioned street drugs to avoid the issue.) The questions referred to street drugs, nothing "clever" there, except your attempt to "find out" details of people's lives by process of elimination and "quizzes" so that information can then be used to attack them (at a later date?). Like LL did by emailing people with phony exaggerated compliments, asking for phone numbers so she could "talk" to people, trying to get their guard down by pretending to be a sympathetic listener, just to take what she learned and use it later to publicly attack those same people.

Hmmm, a LOT of quizzes being posted lately, the results of and comments by those taking them which could be used to compile a "database" of information which a not-so-nice person could use to attack and (in her own mind) expose them publicly.

Just because you aren't paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you

Most people here know each other well enough to not be influenced by anything said by some person who would do such a thing.

Pretty good attempt at manipulation here too, writing comments to specific people in such a way as to elicit a response revealing even more information, such as in my case, where it shows I do not have a problem with drinking or street drugs, so I am accused of hiding a prescription drug abuse problem, which I would be forced to deny so it would not be assumed true by a lack of defense on my part. The games some people play....

-- Cherri (jessam5@home.com), May 04, 2001.

Get a grip woman. I could care less what you do and I would like to point out YOU said "drinG" and YOU are the one that types and acts like youre drunk. I would also like to mention I started this thread to have those I thought *might* drink too much take the test so they might be pleasantly surprised like I was.

Clue train here, Cherri. You you didn't have to post to this thread to begin with.

-- (test@time. Get your pencils out.), May 04, 2001.

I driijjl a libitr ebrrrry nooooowwq anbs agooiinn.

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), May 04, 2001.

I started this thread to have those I thought *might* drink too much take the test so they might be pleasantly surprised like I was.

LOL. I'm afraid you're far too transparent for anyone here to buy into that bit o' backpeddling.

Why not just admit it, "test". Hoping to share your "joy of discovery" with us heathens was never your intent. You initiated this thread in order to "set" specific people up so you could take cheap shots at 'em. The only question I have left is what name you normally post under, either here or on EZboard? I doubt that you'll 'fess up to that though. Anonymous cowards never do.

-- CD (costavike@hotmail.com), May 04, 2001.

Jackass. I did start this thread for that reason. My wife has been giving me crap about my drinking and I was starting to think I had a problem. Some of you idiots chimed in with stupid statements and I had to comment afterward.

-- (test@time. Get your pencils out.), May 04, 2001.

Honey, I don't think you're an alcoholic! I just want you to cut it down until we get the bills paid, that's all.

-- Mrs. Test (a@b.c), May 04, 2001.

CD I don't know why I singled you out for that. This board is full of people I find highly articulate, keeps me coming back,

Articulate people, on a message board?..Course maybe that is no more amazing than finding food in a restaurant.

Knowing people, that's what makes the difference. That's where the folks with 'revolving handles' (great term, Rich) are defeating themselves. They never get to take more than a single pot-shot, or have someone else know them, to the extent you can do this online.

Actually CD, it was the selfishness/friendship thread. I thought the subject rather a no-brainer and was going to pass it by. I found your persistence with the issue, quite thought-provoking.

I think some do not appreciate Cherri's style. Visual pattern recognition is a dominant style of thinking for some (often in programmers), words are secondary. They may take the scenic route in getting to a point, or leap canyons where others fear to tread. It is quite different from discursive thought or expression and is not irrational, just the emphasis and expression is different. This does not mean they are 'on' something - very rash conclusion. Not flattering myself, I have a tough time with words or even zeroing in on the rational component of what I'm thinking at times, and it can be a huge handicap. Yes we all can do with practicing in those areas we are less strong in.

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capn, ditto that sentiment. today your speshully artik. tikk tickle what was that?

-- Debbie (dbspence@usa.net), May 04, 2001.

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-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), May 04, 2001.

I see everyone started the party without me.

-- Debra (Thisis@it.com), May 04, 2001.

Hey All. I have arrived. Maderia, Actually tonite I'm in Reddington Shores.....BEAUTIFUL....Cd, It is soo nice here, we did pick a good time. Went to the hotel earlier, but am at sis's for tonite, the REAL vacation starts tomorrow. We shall then be alone.

Long ride. Deano where you at?

We shall meet w/our exotic pet dr friends tomorrow. Am having a great time. the gulf is nice.

Deano, if your close, lemme know, i'll be checking here from time to time.

Capn: Me thinks me LOVES them tiki bars. Live entertainment and tomorrow is Karoke.....YES!!!!! I luv to peeep watch.

4give the spell errors, am very tired.......

-- sumer (sh@aol.con), May 05, 2001.

Hi I'm sumer, its late, and I abuse everything this week, cuz I'm on vacation. :-)

Cherri, you are right it does unnerve me a bit re: personal quizzes @times especially w/annon's. The one test Kersey, I didnt mind, we all know the one who started it.

But baits, if that is what it is, is unnerving and I've been accused of enough bull anyway.

Honestly time@time, do you REALLY think anyone would tell you if they were having any probs? None of us have ever heard from you before, think about it.?

-- sumer (shh@aol.con), May 05, 2001.