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Myers Briggs

-- Lars (larsguy@yahoo.com), April 28, 2001

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Scored as an ISTJ on Myers Briggs.

Not surprising but kinda hoped I'd have been a little more exciting.

-- Carlos (riffraff@cybertime.net), April 28, 2001.

It has me as an INFP.

INFP

"Questor". High capacity for caring. Calm and pleasant face to the world. High sense of honor derived from internal values. 1% of the total population.

-- (in@energy.news), April 28, 2001.

Keirsey scores me as an Idealist.

Myers Briggs scores me as INTJ.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), April 28, 2001.

Kiersey says I'm an artisan. go figure. :-)

Thanks lars, that was fun, onto the next.

-- sumer (shh@aol.con), April 28, 2001.

ESFJ wow, how interesting. It is pretty accurate of me.

again, thanks Lars.

-- sumer (shh@aol.con), April 28, 2001.

Huh? Tests that didn't tell me I was a man?

Keirsey said I was an Artisan, but when I read about the things I'm supposed to be good at, I wondered why I wasn't good at any of them.

Myers-Briggs labeled me INFP, but the percentages were 33, 33, 6, and 44 respectively, which looks to me like I have VERY little Feeling and maybe the higher Perceiving score threw me into this category.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), April 28, 2001.

INFJ

cin@cin.cin), April 28, 2001.

INFJ Counselor Idealist

pretty cool

-- (cin@cin.cin), April 28, 2001.

Anita, LOL...

Cin, hmmmmmm?

-- sumer (shh@aol.con), April 28, 2001.

Interesting. Kiersey said I was a Guardian and Myers Briggs said I was a Protector Guardian. Well at least I'm consistent!

-- Aunt Bee (Aunt__Bee@hotmail.com), April 28, 2001.

idealist and INFJ.

me, cin, and Ophra.

-- Lon Frank (lgal@exp.net), April 28, 2001.

That surprises me very little Abie.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), April 28, 2001.

Intj:

It says we make up less than 1% of the population Unk. Unusual that two of us are here.

-- Enlightenment (gone@away.now), April 28, 2001.

A lot of introverted intuitives on this board and I'm another one.

INTP - Architect on Meyers-Briggs.

Rational on Keirsey.

-- Debra (Thisis@it.com), April 28, 2001.

Forgot to thank you Lars...

Thanks for posting this Lars.

:)

-- Debra (Thisis@it.com), April 28, 2001.

On Keirsey I am an NF "Idealist".

On Meyer Briggs I am ISTJ, "Trustee". (booooring)

In 1987 on Meyer Briggs I was INTP, "architect".

I wonder how repeatable such tests are?

-- Lars (larsguy@yahoo.com), April 28, 2001.

I often found it difficult to chose between one or the other answer. For example, "do you prefer justice or mercy?" I picked justice, but could easily have picked mercy.

-- Lars (larsguy@yahoo.com), April 28, 2001.

Funny you should bring that up Lars. After I took this test I took out my PLEASE UNDERSTAND ME book. In that book was the test that I took nearly 15 years ago.

My results then were: ENFP - journalist

Although I still score as intuitive and perceiving I no longer score as extroverted and feeling. That score has changed to introverted and thinking.

I see this as a function of growth. If one's scores are 'repeated' years later it may not be such a good thing.

My intuitive and perceiving scores were strong 15 years ago and they are strong today. Maybe I should work on my sensation and judging skills. In other words, I need to notice what is real and plan and organize my life more.

My extrovert and feeling scores were weak then and my introvert and thinking scores are weak today. I'm not sure what this means.

I'll have to 'think' about it some.

Looks like you were me in 1987 (INTP-architect). I see that you have moved from intuitive to sensation and from perceiving to judging. You've already done what I need to do.

Looks like your sticking points are in learning a new orientation to the world and how you make decisions. Funny here I've done what you need to do.

-- Debra (Thisis@it.com), April 28, 2001.

entj

TRADEMARK: -- "I'm really sorry you have to die."

-- helen (ple@se.understand), April 28, 2001.

Debra--

Congrats on being an architect, an elite group (1%). I guess I couldn't maintain the fine edge of precision over the last 15 years. Something tells me that Flint would also be an architect.

If memory serves, and it probably doesn't, Meyer Briggs matches Architects with Sellers. That never made sense to me, I've never been attracted to salesgals.

-- Lars (larsguy@yahoo.com), April 29, 2001.

Good Morning Lars,

I don't know about Flint being an architect (INTP). I see him as having much more of the sensation function (S) than the intuitive function (N).

The following descriptions come from the book -

The person who has a natural preference for sensation probably describes himself first as practical, while the person who has a natural preference for intuition probably chooses to describe himself as innovative.

The sensation-preferring or 'sensible' person wants facts, trusts facts, and remembers facts. He believes in experience and knows through experience (history), both personal and global. He might be described as grounded in reality. When a 'sensible' person talks to people, he is interested in their experience, their past. For example, if a sensation-preferring employer interviews someone for placement, he wants to know what experience the applicant has had. This is important to this employer, because, if an applicant has had experience, the employer feels he has a sound basis for decision. The intuitive-preferring employer, on the other hand, is likely to have confidence not in what the applicant has done in the past but in what the applicant verbalizes about the future of the organization - what she would do in a hypothesized situation, what she might see as possibilities for growth for the organization, or how she would propose to handle a given problem.

The sensation types notice the actual and want to deal with that. They focus on what actually happened rather than worrying too much about what might have been or what will be in the future. These people remain in reality and, when work is the issue, tolerate no nonsense. They usually are accurate in observing details, perhaps because, when a sensible type approaches something, his eyes tend to pick up a specific element. This is quite different from the intuitive who, when entering a situation, seems to scan, glance, radiate at things and people, at times aware only of that which is related to her current preoccupation, missing details noted by the sensible.

The kind of language which inspires the intuitive has no ring to the sensible. The intuitive finds appeal in the metaphor and enjoys vivid imagery. The possible is always in front of the intuitive pulling on her imagination like a magnet. The future holds an attraction for the intuitive which the past and the actual do not. But because her head is often in the clouds, the intuitive can be subject to greater error about facts than the sensible, who pays better attention to what is going on around him.

The intuitive sometimes finds complex ideas coming to her as a complete whole, unable to explain how she knew. Of course, people who prefer sensation have hunches also, but they do not pay much attention to them, and after years of ignoring their intuitions, not acting on them, and not trusting them, the intuition is heard as mere static. The penalty one pays for ignoring that inner voice is that it diminishes. The penalty paid by those who prefer imagination - the intuitives - is that if they ignore reality too long, they end up out of touch with the realities of their enviroment.

If I were to guess, I would guess Flint is an ISTJ, just like you Lars.

Your memory serves you correctly. The 'architects' are attracted to the 'sellers'. Here is what the book says about that -

The 'architect' is not merely a designer of buildings. There is the architect of ideas (the philosopher), the architect of number systems (the mathematician), the architect of computer languages (the programmer), and on and on. In short, abstract design is the forte of the architect and coherence is the primary issue.

Why would this abstractionist find the ESFJ 'seller' attractive? Think broadly of selling. This amounts to persuading another to receive something of value to the receiver. The seller is essentially caring for the receiver (quite apart from the fact that the receiver pays). This is the essential attitude of the ESFJ 'seller', and this attitude is perceptible to the receiver (buyer); he feels this nourishing approach. That is what is attractive to the INTP architect-philosopher -- the nourishment which anchors him to the real world.

Who attracts the ESFJ 'seller'? The person who, like a balloon filled with hydrogen, is likely to escape the earth (in his abstract attitude). He needs to have a string attached so that he can be hauled down to earth now and then. In a sense, he needs to be 'sold on reality,' so indifferent is he to it.

You remembered that architects were matched with sellers but I guess you forgot that architects are also matched with pedagogues. Perhaps you were attracted to women like this? Following is a description from the book -

The INTP also has a second likely target to attract him: the ENFJ 'pedagogue.' What is a pedagogue? A catalyst of the growth process, someone who has that uncanny ability to 'bring out' the other, to activate the differentiation or 'unfolding' process in the learner. All NF's seem to have this capability in some degree and the accompanying desire to exercise it, but the ENFJ seems to have it in abundance. This relationship - the ENFJ-INTP - can be 'deep and meaningful' for the former and anchoring in a charismatic way for the latter.

But that was then and this is now. (smile) What kind of attractions do you have today Lars? Here is what the book says about the ISTJ's, the 'trustees.' -

Here is the paragon of insurance, preparation, and consolidation - a person with a strong desire to be trusted. Small wonder that he looks upon accounting, banking, and securities with a benevolent eye. Try to imagine him married to one of his own kind: Two Rocks of Gibralter, each steadfastly tempering the other's steadfast tempering! We can safely guess that this sort of relationship wouldn't work very well.

The attraction, rather, is for the 'entertainer,' for the vivacity and sparkle of ESFP, the opposite of ISTJ. ISTJ is the ultimate saver who is fascinated by, and frequently marries, the ultimate spender! Here is complementarity to the nth degree! Just as often, ISTJ finds his or her opposite on the intuitive side: the ENFP. (me, 15 years ago (smile) Perhaps he senses in the ENFP's desire to spread the word something similar to the ESFP's desire to put on a show. Certainly the vivacity and sparkle is apparent in both, an attribute which must be quite enchanting to the sober and careful ISTJ.

-- Debra (Thisis@it.com), April 29, 2001.

Your Keirsey Temperament is: Rational (NT)

Jung - Myers-Briggs Typology:

Your Type is INTJ

Introverted Intuitive Thinking Judging

Strength of the preferences %

44 11 1 11

-- Rich (howe9@shentel.net), April 29, 2001.

Too close for comfort

LOL

-- (uh@uh.oh), April 29, 2001.

Flint--

Have you taken this? I am curious. No cheating.

Debra--

So that is why I never found ny heart's desire. I was looking for love in all the wrong places. I should have been checking out my real- estate babe.

The good news is that I am now suited for Entertainers. I love vivacity. Not so sure that it loves me.

I think MB is amazingly accurate in its description of an individual. Not so sure I agree with its notion that opposites attract.

-- Lars (larsguy@yahoo.com), April 29, 2001.

I'm just noticing that some folks are stating that their "type" said that they only represented 1% of the population. I remember reading that about MY type, as well. I guess I don't hold much credence in these sorts of tests, but if we ALL represent only 1% of the population, who represents the majority? Did anyone find that their "type" said, '88% of the population is of the same type as you."

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), April 29, 2001.

Anita,

Go to Meyers-Briggs background using the link posted by Lars. Once there go to Section VII - The Sixteen Personality Types. Scroll down until you see all the personality types listed. Each one has what percentage of the population they are.

Seems a much larger portion of the population are extroverts. The introvert-sensation is a larger portion than the introvert- intuitive. A good question might be why so many of the smallest portion of the population found their way here.

-- Debra (Thisis@it.com), April 29, 2001.

Hi Rich!

As long as I have the book out ... (smile)

The mating and temperament of INTJ 'Scientist'

Wishing to control nature, the INTJ 'scientist' probably has more difficulty than all other types in making up his or her mind in mate selection. Even mate selection must be done in a scientific way. It may well be that the narratives, plays, and films impugning the 'rational and objective' approach to mating have as their target our thorough-going scientist INTJ. Nevertheless, when young, the INTJ is attracted to the free-wheeling, spontaneous, fun- loving 'entertainer' ESFP. But the INTJ requires that mating meet certain criteria, else it is not undertaken. So the INTJ doesn't often go through with what is begun by natural attraction. Since he or she proceeds in a rational and methodical way, the selection of a similar temperament is more likely than selection of opposite, following the assumption that those who are similar ought to do well together. The INTJ 'scientist' is also attracted to the ENFP 'journalist,' probably because of the enthusiastic, effervescent, and apparently spontaneous enjoyment and wonderment this type exudes - the very antithesis of the careful, thoughtful exactitude of the INTJ.

Rich, seems you got a tough one there! But the mating should well be worth the effort.

-- Debra (Thisis@it.com), April 29, 2001.

Spot on, Debra! Thanks for posting that synopsis. Experience with one ENFP was enough to convince me of its validity. Think I better use this test to filter out the "candidates" from here on out. :0)

-- Rich (howe9@shentel.net), April 29, 2001.

Well, I scored ENFP a couple of years ago when I did this... the first time I did a Meyers Briggs, I did the real thing with a psychologist and he was all bent out of shape because I came out right in the middle in E/I and J/P. This time I came out INFJ... I guess I'm still waffling around the middle. (And Rich... better stay away from me! ;-)

-- Tricia the Canuck (jayles@telusplanet.net), May 02, 2001.

Trisha, there are exceptions to every rule. :)

BTW, my mom was born and raised in Canada. And to give you more information about me than you'd ever wish to know, I was conceived on the U.S.-Canada border. Surely this negates at least a portion of our personality discord, eh? :)

-- Rich (howe9@shentel.net), May 02, 2001.

Guardian/Teacher

The Guardian Portrait All Guardians (SJs) share the following core characteristics:

Guardians pride themselves on being dependable, helpful, and hard- working.

Guardians make loyal mates, responsible parents, and stabilizing leaders. Guardians tend to be dutiful, cautious, humble, and focused on credentials and traditions.

Guardians are concerned citizens who trust authority, join groups, seek security, prize gratitude, and dream of meting out justice. Guardians are the cornerstone of society, for they are the temperament given to serving and preserving our most important social institutions. Guardians have natural talent in managing goods and services--from supervision to maintenance and supply--and they use all their skills to keep things running smoothly in their families, communities, schools, churches, hospitals, and businesses.

Guardians can have a lot of fun with their friends, but they are quite serious about their duties and responsibilities. Guardians take pride in being dependable and trustworthy; if there's a job to be done, they can be counted on to put their shoulder to the wheel. Guardians also believe in law and order, and sometimes worry that respect for authority, even a fundamental sense of right and wrong, is being lost. Perhaps this is why Guardians honor customs and traditions so strongly--they are familiar patterns that help bring stability to our modern, fast-paced world.

Practical and down-to-earth, Guardians believe in following the rules and cooperating with others. They are not very comfortable winging it or blazing new trails; working steadily within the system is the Guardian way, for in the long run loyalty, discipline, and teamwork get the job done right. Guardians are meticulous about schedules and have a sharp eye for proper procedures. They are cautious about change, even though they know that change can be healthy for an institution. Better to go slowly, they say, and look before you leap.

Guardians make up as much as 40 to 45 percent of the population.

-- Pammy (pamela_sue57@hotmail.com), May 06, 2001.