At 4th density, they are still using technology, they are still learning para-physical things. They have subjugated us; they have implanted us; they have taken our DNA and manipulated it so we won't remember who we are and what we can really do. Barbara Marciniak's book, Bringers of the Dawn, covers much of that information. The Cassiopaeans have said that when Barbara communicated with her Pleiadians, she was communicating with - there is this thing out there called a Realm Border, it's a wave, a wall, a frequency of some kind that's like a doorway between the different densities - the Cassiopaeans, the Pleiadians, and whoever transmit through that - it expedites their ability to transduce from 6th density down to 3rd - at the time Marciniak was channeling her information, this wave was located in the region of space of the Pleiades, and they called themselves Pleiadians to give a reference point. As we perceive it, this window is now passing through what we call Cassiopaea. When it was in the region of Arcturus, they called themselves the Arcturians. At some point they were the Orions, though I don't remember what the order is. As it gets closer and closer, it gets stronger and stronger, and apparently, there are people destined to be these contact points. The closer the wave gets to us, the clearer the signal becomes. The next stop, according to the Cassiopaeans, is Leo. Of course, the stars in the constellations are not all the same distance, so we have refined the reference points to specific stars or groupings.

Anyway, the Lizards have created the Grays. They are 4th density also. They have no souls; they are robots. The Grays were created in such a way so that the Lizards could send them into 3rd density as projections, so to speak. They can project some portion of their own energy into the Grays so that when they are in 3rd density, they are not only a robot being controlled by them, they are actually "in it," so to speak, looking through it's eyes. It may even be that several Grays constitute the energy of a single Lizard portion. The whole purpose of the subjugation of humans by the Lizards is that they use us as food. The old John Lear/Bill Cooper stuff about the vats of body parts may have some truth to it. But, mainly, they take energy. They want our energy. That's what they feed on in 4th density because they are basically energy beings in 4th density. They feed on energy. There is positive energy, there is negative energy. Service to Self beings in 4th density feed on negative energy produced by 3rd density beings, and even 1st and 2nd density beings on occasion. They like us because we have emotions. Emotions generate energy. That's why you're always reading that the Grays seem to be "so interested in our emotions! Our love, our hate, our this and that." They control us and create situations that produce negative energy. The more negative energy they can create, the more food they have. That's what the whole purpose is.

There is another purpose also: they covet the idea of being 3rd density physical/material beings. They haven't done it in a long time, and the physicality of it is just so attractive to them because they are so hung up in Service to Self, that part of the plan is to create a new race for themselves.

What you have to understand is that we have so much information here, and we are still trying to dig through it and understand what it is they are telling us. They have given us a massive amount of information. It's to the point now, that when we do a session, not only do we ask questions, but it turns into conversations. It's not like what you normally do with a Ouija board - you know "am I gonna get rich?" "Yes." "Am I gonna be poor?" "No." "Am I gonna get in a car wreck?" "Yes." And that kind of stuff. It's really like sitting around with a bunch of people and talking. We talk. They will talk to us. We can ask a question, get an answer, and then be talking about the answer amongst ourselves, and they will comment on our comments, interject remarks, agree or disagree with our analysis.

What we are trying to talk about today - and this is the first time we have done this in such a large group - is that we are still trying to work through all this information. When you sit around the house talking about something: say you say "we're gonna talk about politics" and you're sitting there talking about politics - and somebody says something and you say "oh, that reminds: did you see the sale down at the store?" and the discussion goes off on the subject of the sale, and you say "yeah, I got a hammer," and that leads to "I was working on the house," in the way that conversations do - going off in tangents all over the placee. You may never talk about politics again after the first few remarks. Well, our sessions are like that, too. We may start with a topic, and one thing will lead to another, which leads to another, which takes us out someplace else, so the information we have in the raw transcripts is all jumbled together that way - like a free-form, stream of consciousness type thing, and we have to go through this and piece it together again. It's like a big jigsaw puzzle of questions and answers and comments and information that's all mixed together. We have to go through and transcribe all this information, it's all in notebooks and on tapes and Laura has spent a lot of time sitting there trying to transcribe the tapes and comparing what is on the tapes to what is in the notebooks. It's a long and tedious process because, when there is a large group, she has to identify the voices and put the right names in place so we know who is saying what. We have here 155 pages in 10 point type, and that's just up to over a month ago. We have to be able to sort all of it out and understand it ourselves so that we can go back and ask intelligent questions about points that have not been covered completely.

Jan: Yes, and they always remember when they have already told us something. We may argue, but if we go back and look, sure enough, it's there!

Laura: Yes, and if a question gets asked and then six months later, a different person asks the same question, the Cassiopaeans will tell us to go back and review. They will say "bring so-and-so up to speed."

Terry: Yes, they will us to go back and look it up.

Jan: One time they told us, NO! Stop! Listen! Wait! - trying to get our attention because we were off on a question spree - and they said: YOU have the answers! They told us specifically to stop channelling, sit there and talk the matter over. They told us that we could find the answers by "networking."

Laura: Yes, so we spent an hour or more talking about the subject and by the time we got through, we realized that we did, indeed, know the answer.

Terry: The bottom line of what they seem to be trying to tell us, which we are trying to "get," which "we" in 6th density are trying to help "Us" in the present to do, is to understand that, within the next 20 years or so, this Realm Wave, this window, so to say, is going to arrive. And, when it arrives, we will have the opportunity to move from 3rd to 4th density as a group, as opposed to individually, on at a time through any number of lives. If, and when, we are able to do this, the object is first: to get us to move, but second: this is part of the counterattack against the Lizards from the Service to Others beings who are trying to get us back in the realm of freedom. They can't interfere with Free Will, but if they can inform enough of us, and we can make a Free choice to move back, it will break the Lizard's hold on the human race. The object seems to be to break the Lizard hold on the human race. At that point, whether this works or not, whatever happens in 3rd density, happens. And then, the whole focal point of the campaign moves to somewhere else in the universe, because they are doing this in other places. This is NOT the only place that this is happening.

Laura: And don't get the idea that this is something terrible. Are you all familiar with the Yin-Yang symbol, the black half and the white half? This is really what this is all about. We don't need to look at it as though it is really an actual battle, though in some terms, expressed at this density, it displays that way as well as in Earth Changes. What it is is that for over 300,000 years we have been in the Service to Self realm, or the dark half of the circle. Now, the cycle is coming around. You have to remember that we are just doing this, as the Cassiopaeans say, "for fun!" [Laughter.]

Now, we are gonna take a break, and after the break we are going to try to demonstrate - I don't know if it is going to work - but we are going to try. We don't want any personal questions. Don't ask what house you are gonna buy next year. Try to come up with some good questions, write them down for us, and we will see what happens.

During the break we set up the board and arranged the chairs with everybody in their proper alignments according to the compass points. Laura sits at the East, Freddie at the North, Terry at the West, and the South position is open. I was really nervous when we sat down because I had no idea if things would work in a different location or not. But, after a few seconds of contact, the planchette began to spiral around in large circles, finally going to the word: "Hello."

Q: (L) Hello.

A: New location?

Q: Yes, it's a new location, indeed. Where do you transmit through?

A: Cassiopaea.

Q: Are you having difficulty operating in the new location?

A: Some but should stabilize.

Q: (L) We have questions from the audience. Shall we begin?

A: Sure!

Q: The first question here is: "In which density is our astral existence?"

A: 5th, density of contemplation, you did not explain that one, did you?

Q: Yeah, we forgot to explain that. Sorry.

A: Okay. Explain 5th now please.

Terry: 5th density, is where souls go when they die. When you leave your physical body in any one of the first 4 densities, your soul moves to 5th density. They call it the contemplation density. That's where you go, and you get to review the life you have had, and learn from it, and decide what it is you want to do next when you incarnate next. In the chain of densities, one through seven, the souls exist in 1 through 4 and in 6th, actively, and in 5th density passively. Did I get that right?

A: Yes.

Q: (Member of audience) What energy are they using to create the conduit?

A: Open frequency EM wave.

Q: (Member of audience) Is there a mathematica formula for creating the conduit? If so, what is it?

A: Create one at your leisure!

Q: (L) I guess if you want a mathematical formula, you are supposed to create one at your leisure! [Laughter] (J) That's humor, I guess.

A: Not totally humor!

Q: (Member of audience) Is it beyond our current scientific level?

A: Yes.

Q: (Question from audience) What exists in inner earth region as reported by Admiral Byrd?" Well, I think we should add "allegedly" reported by Admiral Byrd.

A: Cross awareness "window."

Q: (L) So, a window exists in the inner earth region?

A: Did for Admiral Byrd at that instance.

Q: (L) So, he passed through an awareness window?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) What is an awareness window?

A: You have been told.

Q: (L) Yes. It's in the transcripts.

A: Realms can be accessed at will if awareness balance is proper.

Q: (L) If awareness balance is proper, "cross awareness window" means that you can cross over in awarness to another realm. Is that right? Let me break it down: does this mean that if your awareness is balanced, you create a "window?"

A: Close.

Q: (L) Can this happen to a person spontaneously?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) It is not something that you necessarily have to work for, it can happen to anyone, anytime...

A: Unlikely.

Q: (L) So, it CAN, but without some preparation, is unlikely to happen. Okay, next question: "After seventh density is the Big Bang, and everything starts all over again?"

A: Close and partial. Grand Cycle access.

Q: (L) You mean that 7th Density is a "Grand Cycle Access?"

A: No, review.

Q: (L) Seventh Density is the Big Bang and it all starts all over again and that is the Grand Cycle? There is really no beginning or end, just an endless cycling?

A: No. Grand Cycle is self explanatory to 6 people here.

Q: (L) I guess I'm not one of them. (A member of the audience here gives an explanation, but it is impossible to decipher it from the tape as they were apparently in the back of the room. It sounds something like "at Seventh Density there is a window of Access to the Grand Cycle.")

A: Yes.

Q: (Question from audience) What is the true age of the Great Pyramid? (L) That's already been given.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) I believe the figure that was given was 10,600 years ago, more or less. (Question from audience) Where do alien craft go when seen going into water such as lakes, rivers, the ocean, etc. Where do they go?

A: Variable.

Q: (Member of Audience) Where did the one go that I saw at Longboat Key? Where are they going off Longboat Key?

A: Non-specific.

Q: (L) Different destinations? (T) Are some of them going to a base?

A: Not there, but remember, you are talking about dual density cross-transference, therefore "rules" for 3rd density do not always apply.

Q: (Question from audience) Are they using the ocean water as a conduit or window?

A: Maybe but not the only "method."

Q: (T) So, they could be doing about anything down there once they have entered the water.

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Including just sitting there waiting.

A: Why not?

Q: (Question from audience) Did you ever ask them who built the Great Pyramid? (L) Yes, we did. The response was Atlanteans.

A: Descendants of same.

Q: (Question from audience) Did they ever tell about the purpose for the pyramids?

(L) Yes, they did. First of all, the Atlantean civilization existed for a very long time and was quite extensive all over the globe, not necessarily confined to the semi-legendary "continent of Atlantis." Apparently, interplanetary travel was as easy for the Atlanteans as it is for us to take a trip to the store. They had bases on the Moon, bases on Mars; the monuments of the Moon and Mars are Atlantean in origin; they also had some of their giant crystals on the Moon and Mars, and these were used to collect Cosmic and Solar energy as a power source. We have talked about locations of such crystals on the Earth and why they were not destroyed in the cataclysms that destroyed Atlantis and the answer was that the engineered function of these crystals was such that massive amounts of energy interacting with them is absorbed and transmuted, so to speak. If you put an atomic bomb on one of them, it would absorb the energy and transduce it. It was the design function. When we asked if our present technology could decipher how to use these crystals, and the response was "would a Neanderthal know how to fly a 747." [Laughter] So, when we are talking about the Atlanteans, we are talking about a super advanced civilization and the descendants of them, after the destruction that occurred which destroyed this amazing culture, built these pyramidal shapes, which had a similar function as the pyramid shaped giant crystals, though much less effective. In other words, the Pyramids are simply gigantic machines. They were used to manipulate energy to control weather, power the many things that a civilization requires to be considered "advanced," to preserve and transmute or heal. Just a whole host of energy applications similar to what we do with electricity. But, still, it was a step down from the far more advanced Atlantean technology, and as time went by, other things occurred, and event his knowledge was lost.

(Question from Audience) Is there a giant pyramid, or a step pyramid in China?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Can you give us some information about this pyramid?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was it built by Atlantean descendants also?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) I think that the Atlantean civilization was much like our present one... it didn't really denote a specific place, though there may have been the equivalent of the "Western technological world" as is America, at the present time. In fact, when we asked about the population of the world at the height of Atlantis, the answer was that it was pretty much the same as it is now, over 6 billion. We then asked how many were left after the destruction and the figure was either 19 million or 119 million. I screwed up in the transcribing and will have to go back to the tape to get it right. Well, which was it?

A: 19 million.

Q: (L) That is a serious reduction from 6 billion.

(Question from audience) In all the varying transitions between 1st and 6th density, does any soul every perish, or become extinguished?

A: No.

Q: (T) We asked about this at several points. Apparently all souls began at the same point in "time," and all will be returned to 7th density at the same time. No new souls are being created, and no souls are ever destroyed, they merely change from state to state according to their "lesson profile," or what they have learned or need to learn and experience. (L) Yeah. That's the good news; here's the bad news: those that don't graduate to 4th density on this pass of the Wave get to do 3rd density all over again, in its entire cycle. [Laughter]

(Question from audience) Have you ever asked about why there is so much suffering here on earth? (L) Yes, and it's not Eve's fault!

(Question from audience) Well, I don't know about others, but if there is a utopia out there somewhere, I'd rather be there and never come back here again! And what you are telling me is that, even though we go back to 6th density, we have to come back again.

(L) No, that's 5th density - contemplation level. You make the decisions there, and if you are here, it's because you chose to be here. But, the only way to get out of the cycle of the 3rd density Service to Self level, the consumption level where you must feed on others - and that is really the bottom line there - you must transcend that issue, the physicality. You become an energy being who only gives conjoined with other beings who also only give, and in such symbiosis, no one ever lacks. But, yes, there is a very definite reason for the suffering at this level and Terry touched on it awhile ago - the dominance of the Reptilian beings who feed off of us for the past 300,000 years. They dumbed us down, implanted control impulses in us such as jealousy, greed, avarice and so forth, so that we would constantly generate negative energy while they are sitting there in 4th density with a straw just slurping it up! "Yummy!" So, when you feel yourself going into negative states, if you want to transcend it, all you have to really do is understand that it is not YOURS. You don't "own it." Yes, it is part of the physicality of this density, but it is a physicality that has been genetically tampered with so that such emotions will dominate. You can NOT act them out, you can refuse to be controlled by such states, you can CHOOSE to be other, even if it requires something of an inner struggle between the choice of the soul and the wants of the flesh which are pretty clever at being rationalized by the brain so that we don't see what is really going on very clearly at all.

(Question from audience) So, we actually chose to accept this state of being at some point, and now we can choose otherwise?

(L) That's exactly right. Each moment, we have the choice of accepting the Lizzie program, or to follow a different line of choices. The mass of humanity, the group - and we have been told that the Legend of Lucifer is the story of this choice and refers to the human race - made this choice. I don't know about you, but I've had enough. I think I changed my mind! [Laughter]

At this point, a member of the audience has taken Terry's place at the board. This was the "skeptic" who, at the beginning of the session had set up his little meter beside the board on the table.

Q: (L) Okay, we have a new person at the board...

A: Yes.

Q: (L) We have a question here from somebody about Walk-ins, and before I ask it, I would like to ask a sort of "pre-question." My question is: how often does something along the idea of a "walk-in" occur?

A: Rare.

Q: (L) Yes, it was a very popular idea, and still is. I mean, how easy can it be to say "oh, I didn't do that! It was the former occupant of this body!" Or, "I can do THIS now, because I have just taken over this body. I'm not a trashman, I'm really a brain surgeon, so hand me a scalpel!" and that sort of thing. People were creating all kinds of exotic and elaborate "backgrounds" for themselves, and as I heard these stories, they got wilder by the day! "I'm Prince or Princess So-and-So from the Planet Hoogabooga! Make obeisance, peasant!" How bizarre can it get?

(Question from audience) Have you asked about actual, physical life-forms on other planets, or is it just us here in the Universe?

(L) Yes, we have, but let's get in this question we have already. It says: "Are any of those who claim to be Walk-ins really so?" And, we sort of answered that already. Yes, it CAN happen, but is very rare. The question continues: "If so, who are they specifically? My friend in Longboat Key, Gail ____, is she one?"

A: No.

Q: (L) Well, so much for that. (Addressing audience member who is nodding her head vigorously) Did you know that already? (AM) Yes. I just wanted to make sure.

(Question from new participant at the board, AB) Given the amount of destruction the Reptilians have done to our DNA, what can we do to repair it? Is there a diet adjustment?

A: Maybe. It is open to the individual to experiment and discover.

I should note that the energy, at this point, was quite fractured with the new person at the board and the planchette was moving very slowly.

Q: (L) I think that the conduit has to be readjusted to the new energy.

A: Yes. Note Light waves in device.

-- SAR01 (rauch01@yahoo.com), April 20, 2001