Regarding Patricia: Has everyone noticed...

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She asks stupid questions and when someone gives her an answer she hounds them to give her another answer?

Has everyone noticed she said she was going to post less and go into lurk mode, and she hasn't?

Has everyone noticed she says people are "non-entities" to her and yet she continues to write to them?

Does she ever really mean what she says?

-- (Richard@richardjackamo.don), April 11, 2001

Answers

Richard, you're a dick...

-- Uncle Bob (unclb0b@aol.com), April 11, 2001.

>>>you're a dick... <<<

Yes, but haven't you noticed?

-- (Richard@richardjackamo.con), April 11, 2001.


Why are you engaging in such petty gossip?

-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), April 11, 2001.

He has nothing better to do.

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), April 11, 2001.

Regarding Patricia: Has everyone noticed...

"Everyone"? Is "everyone" supposed to chime in here? LOL.

She asks stupid questions and when someone gives her an answer she hounds them to give her another answer?

Not that I've noticed. I DID notice that she's asked a direct question of YOU but you chose not to answer until pressed a number of times.

Has everyone noticed she said she was going to post less and go into lurk mode, and she hasn't?

Come to think of it, I DID notice that. But necessity demands otherwise, I suppose.

Has everyone noticed she says people are "non-entities" to her and yet she continues to write to them?

Well, I DID notice that she told YOU that YOU were a "non-entity" on another board because you decided to start two threads simply to bash another person. And then I DID notice that she DID continue to ask you to answer her question.

Does she ever really mean what she says?

Absolutely. She was the one who first called you Dick.

Have a nice day, Dick.

-- (GuessWho@lasvegas.com), April 11, 2001.



I don't post gossip. Everything I post I can back up with proof. (Unlike Tarzan.)

Patricia

"BTW, I never wanted to post at SLEZ Board (just not attracted to that "thought control" thing) and with the influx of new posters, it's slowly becoming that. So I will return to lurk mode.

-- (PatriciaS@lasvegas.com), April 11, 2001.

"Heh, guess it really isn't the "principle" of the thing.

-- back to lurking..... (PatriciaS@lasvegas.com), April 11, 2001"

non-entity remark

"I ignored your post because you are a non-entity in my eyes. "

Then, she continued talking to me in this thread.

Just pointing out she isn't a woman of her word.

-- (Richard@richardjackamo.con), April 11, 2001.


Love the jab. If I call you a non-entity, will you call me names? Here's a few ideas to get you started:

Boney (I've been underweight most of my life, especially when I was on chemo)

Baldy (I'm still waiting for some of my hair to grow back)

Geek (That's what they call you when you become a code jockey)

Motor Hips (Wait, that's a private Jane nickname)

Godless Communist (I have a great aunt who calls me that)

Pizza Face (An oldie but a goodie- I had a skin problem when I was a kid)

N***** Lover (I get called this one a lot since my girlfriends black and I'm, well, not)

Taaaaarrrrzzzzaaaaaaaannnnnnnn (My bratty cousin used to say my name just like this when we were eight, and man, it bugged the heck out of me!)

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), April 11, 2001.


Godless Communist (I have a great aunt who calls me that)

Smart lady....she sure has you pegged! :-)

-- Ain't Gonna Happen (Not Here Not@ever.com), April 11, 2001.


Godless I may be, but Communist I am not.

She also calls me a N***** Lover. Do you think that's a good nickname too?

BTW- I contacted the IRS about Darrell Scott. I haven't heard from him yet, and it's past the 30 day mark. I also contacted the state AG office in Denver. I'll let you know if I hear anything.

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), April 11, 2001.


She also calls me a N***** Lover. I have a brother who called me that, the same one that my parents chose not to associate with except out of necessity. The same one who is trying to take everything my parents left, although he did nothing for them. Let him have it, I had their Love and RESPECT, something he cannot not take me to court and lie about to take away from me.

I hate lies and liers.

-- Cherri (jessam5@home.com), April 11, 2001.



If you had attended the vegas get-together, then you would know one thing for certain...

Patricia rocks!

-- (cin@cin.cin), April 11, 2001.


He has nothing better to do..

-- dudesy (dudesy@37.com), April 11, 2001.

Has everyone noticed she said she was going to post less and go into lurk mode, and she hasn't?

I'm glad she sticks around!

So we don't all agree about every subject, whoop-dee-fricking-doo!

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), April 11, 2001.


What cin said.

-- Dan the Power Man (dgman19938@aol.com), April 11, 2001.

Yeah, what cin and Dan said.

-- Peg (pegmcleod@mediaone.net), April 12, 2001.


I despise your tactics, jerkoff. For sake of brevity and to limit the flow of bile which my responding to a jerkoff such as yourself triggers, I'll sum up my take on Patricia thusly:

Beauty - Brains - Balls - Brooklyn

Order them as you wish, jerkoff. Those who've met her IRL know the above are accurate characteristics of Miss Patricia.

I'd rather endure a forum full of preaching Christians than a handfull of jerkoffs like yourself, thread starter. Fortunately, your attempts at whatever it is you (and other jerkoff, cowardly anons) wish to achieve here serve to pull the community closer together.

I tried always to take being addressed as Nigger Lover as a compliment. Few things funnier than looking the guy(s) who called me that in the eyes and saying "Thank you! I am a Nigger Lover!"

-- Rich (howe9@shentel.net), April 12, 2001.


When I first met Jane, she knew I volunteered as a clinic escort. She said that sounded interesting and she'd like to come along. I said, "Okay, but these people can get pretty scary sometimes, just be prepared,"

That Saturday was pretty hairy, lots of anti-choice extremeists screaming and haranguing. She didn't seem bothered by it at all. One of the men walked up to her and shouted that she was a murderous black bitch. She just stood her ground and laughed right in his face.

I knew then that it was love.

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), April 12, 2001.


A 'Beauty' Rich? You need to cut back on the nitrious boy.

-- Phat (pat@is.that), April 12, 2001.

LOL -- maybe you want to learn to *spell* nitrous first.

-- (guesswho@lasvegas.com), April 12, 2001.


Fatty Patty, two by four,

Couldn't get through the bedroom door.

Along came a spider,

and sat down beside her,

and said, "don't come "round" here no more!"

LOL!

-- Jack Sprat could eat no fat (Patty c@n eat no .lean), April 12, 2001.


Patricia isn't fat. idiot

{major eye roll}

-- (cin@cin.cin), April 12, 2001.


Yes she is YOU STUPID FUCKING IDIOT. We saw her picture.

-- cin belongs (with @Fatty .Patty), April 12, 2001.

I don't know or care what everyone else has noticed,especially a fucking anon.

But I do know Pat is a friend of mine,we had a great time IRL in Vegas,I respect her and her differences of *opinion* as much as I know she respects mine,what a concept.

HI Pat!!! : )

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), April 12, 2001.


Pictures….PICTURES? lets see um, let us decide.

-- Please (post@the.pics), April 12, 2001.

We saw her in person.

Did you ride the short bus to school?

-- (lame@lame.lame), April 12, 2001.


"We saw her in person."

Well ladi fucking da. The rest of us were spared the visual agony but some pics will do just fine.

-- Post (the@fucking.pics), April 12, 2001.


why don't you go first

cmon lets see YOUR pic

-- (cin@cin.cin), April 12, 2001.


Be careful what you ask for! I remember seeing some pictures from the Las Vegas gathering and it wasn’t too pretty. Here’s my take:

DOC…….Looked like he had been wheeled in on a gurney. Scrawny little weasel, nodding out like a horse head.

PATRICIA….Nice tent you were wearing. Give my regards to Jaba.

CAPNFUN…..Charlie Manson look-a-like

RICH…..Not much, about what you would expect from a tea leaf reader.

CIN…..Now here is the pick of the litter.

-- Quick (burn@the.film), April 12, 2001.


LOLOL

woof woof

-- (cin@cin.cin), April 12, 2001.


Here I am, cin



-- Post (the@fucking.pics), April 12, 2001.


Here are pics of the fat drunken slob.

-- (heres@the fucking.pics), April 12, 2001.

Bingo/Rich,

You really DO look like an uneducated homo.

-- I'm (Going@home.now), April 12, 2001.


ANON..YOU ARE A FUCKING SORRY EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN..ESAD!

-- Peg (pegmcleod@mediaone.net), April 12, 2001.

Oh my! I tried to warn ya. I think pic #5 wins the cupie doll.

PATRICIA, What was the freight charge from NYC to LV?

DOC, are you stoned or just trying to keep warm?

ANITA, the Vikings left a few years ago. Hiedi you ain’t.

CAPNFUN, nice to be out for the weekend huh.

BINGO/RICH, Tell us again about your pets…ROTFLMAO

-- Quick (burn@the.film), April 12, 2001.


I think Heidi was Swiss, but I miss the point on the pics. The person in the front ALWAYS looks the biggest. Check out the sizes of the heads compared to those of the folks in the back. They're 4-5 times the size. In the picture where *I*'m in the front, *I* look the fattest.

The comments remind me of someone being pictured laying on the beach with the FEET at the forefront. Folks are saying things like, "Have you EVER in your life seen anyone with such Goddamn BIG toes?"

Some of you obviously have nothing better to do.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), April 12, 2001.


"The person in the front ALWAYS looks the biggest."

Spin of the day winner.

-- Dum (de@dum.dum), April 12, 2001.


I have better things to do but this is just too funny to ignore. Dare I ask who snapped these classics?

-- Just (curious@is.all), April 12, 2001.

A question for any of you fine people that were at this party:

Who are Carlita, Flash, George, and Melissa? Are they regular posters to this forum? Are Doc and Patricia married to each other? Just being inquisitive.

-- So (cr@t.es), April 12, 2001.


Since this is MY photopoint album that the anon links to, I'll answer a few of the questions. Dan the Power Man and Capn took the pictures. I don't remember who took which. Carlita is the daughter of Carlos. Flash posts occasionally, but he's been working too many hours of late. George is a friend of Flash. Melissa is a friend of Patricia.

For more fun, I'd encourage you to click on "family" and GO. You can look at the pictures of me and my kids and have a REAL laugh. Stare intently, as Photopoint is now charging to keep pictures on the internet, and I have no intention of paying them to keep them there. Too bad, actually, as I'd been saving some pictures to download....or is that upload?

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), April 12, 2001.


To the trolls (you know who you are): You know, in a way, it's actually nice that the nurses allow you access to a computer once in a while -- well, with an attendant or two nearby, of course. I mean, they obviously couldn't allow you to have anything sharp to write your "thoughts" down with.

-- Eve (eve_rebekah@yahoo.com), April 12, 2001.

Thank you Ms. Anita for your input. So then, those are also your pics numbered 7 through 9? Somehow, it reminds me of a Texas Hill Country hide-a-way. Could those folks be part of Willie Nelson’s band of rouge pot farmers? You forgot to answer the Doc and Patricia question.

-- So (cr@t.es), April 12, 2001.

Dang, I take a coupla days off to work on my taxes, and come back to find these new anny posters spewing hatred towards some of the old forum members. The annys were obviously not around last year, or even the year before, based on their ignorant remarks. However, they decided to make judgements on people they know little of, much less take the time to get to know them. For those of us who were in LV, we ALL had a GREAT time!! We are not shallow enough to judge people based on their looks, or their politics. We ADULTS in these parts treat each other with respect. That means listening to what they say, and offering our views. But the gutless one(ders) who judge the superfical will not change. BTW annys, I'm GLAD you weren't in LV and I bet the others are TOO!! Please feel free to keep your hate in your own community and don't bother bringing it to this one. As friends, we stick up for each other when attacked. Remember that the next time BOZOS!!

-- Aunt Bee (Aunt__Bee@hotmail.com), April 12, 2001.

Soc:

Those last pictures were from Hardliner's picnic in June of 2000. He's not in any of the pictures, and the folks pictured don't post here, so I thought it would be rude to caption their handles. We DID have fun, though. The picnic was several hours away towards Waco, maybe, but I'm not sure anymore. I had to pee so bad by the time I got there that I never even exchanged pleasantries with anyone, NOR asked if I was at the right house. I simply said, "Where's the bathroom?" I ran into Hardliner coming out of the bathroom, and he didn't ask who I was, either.

I didn't FORGET the question about Doc and Patricia. I simply chose not to answer it. If you want information, go to the source.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), April 12, 2001.


Actually, the ladies are a nice looking bunch. Nothing shabby there.

-- KoFE (your@town.USSA), April 12, 2001.

No problem here Ms. Anita. Seemed like a simple question but apparently it has a complex answer. I certainly don’t need to know, but thanks anyway.

-- So (cr@t.es), April 12, 2001.

Here's whistlin at ya Anita!

-- Boswell (cjseed@webtv.net), April 13, 2001.

"Dang, I take a coupla days off to work on my taxes, and come back to find these new anny posters spewing hatred towards some of the old forum members"

Damn, this shit goes on all the time! There's been a few people from the old TB2000 forum whose been atttacked here, but I didin't see any of you coming out to defend them. Are you all pissed because Richard's accusations were true, or you do you feel you must defend certain members of the pack to save face? Your all acting like a bunch of school kids, and we as adults wonder why kids pack a gun.

-- woolly bully (wollybully@wollybullyy.bull), April 13, 2001.


woolly bully or is that wollybully (please decide on a handle, at least for one post, will ya?) tell us how typing words in response to other typed words translates into children bringing guns to school? I can just about guarantee you, that not one of the forum members here, ever even THOUGHT about taking a gun to school, when we were that age. We were taught the power of words, by our teachers, and parents, and learned to use them as our weapons. Hey woolly, is school out for you tomorrow?

-- Aunt Bee (Aunt__Bee@hotmail.com), April 13, 2001.

AB, if words were weapons, yours would be as effective as a loaded feather.

People who shack-up: anita and her black lover, cherri and her black lover, patricia and doc and her black dog, Deb S., Maria

People who no one will live with: Kofe, cpr, capnfun, carlos, cin

-- (wully@bully.2), April 13, 2001.


You've forgotten me. I shack up with my black lover and have for a number of years.

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), April 13, 2001.

First I apologize to Patricia for prolonging this thread. But I gotta say that some of the anons here remind me of JBD from the old forum, that kind of sick humor that usually makes me chuckle.

And in response to Aunt Bee. No offense, I respect your "defense" of your friends. But when you really come down to it, it's no more than typed words on the screen. Someone posted on another thread that he or she hoped that I would find happiness. Well I do have happiness IRL. This forum on the other hand is NOT real life. Some think of it as a little community, great for them; I don't. I think of it as an exchange of ideas. It's great when the cyber people can be civil but c'est la vie! I don't take it too seriously when it's not.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), April 13, 2001.


Why in hell are yall being so goddamned mean?!?

Fat and ugly???? Who gives a good crap??

I've got a team of 11 twelve year old boys that act more grown up!!

Bailiff (Unk)?? Whack his peepee!!!!

Deano

-- Deano (deano@luvthebeach.com), April 13, 2001.


You like whacking peepees don't you Deano? 11 year old boys are your favorites I hear.

-- (wully@bully.2), April 13, 2001.

“You've forgotten me. I shack up with my black lover and have for a number of years.”

Male or Female?

-- A (little@monkey.business), April 13, 2001.


I'm male, she's female. We're getting married this spring.

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), April 13, 2001.

Maria, I think we agree on some things again. DANG...what a week!

Happiness IRL is the big one, IMO. I'm happy as a fly on a manure pile with that black lover of mine. His picture was one I was ready to download/upload when I learned that Photopoint was going to start asking for money to keep them. I may load it anyway, as at least my kids can scoop it off before Photopoint starts asking for money.

I haven't heard the term "shacking up" since 1970. We've been living together since 1988, I think. We toyed with the marriage thought, but we'd both been there before and at this point in our lives we value our independence more than a legal commitment. In addition, we both have grown children from our previous marriages and think ahead to death and how those children would benefit if we didn't make our relationship legal. We're happy, our parents are happy, and our kids are happy. Anyone else is just blowing in the wind.

Patricia has a black dog? Would this be a fourth dog that never showed its face while I spent several days at her home?

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), April 13, 2001.


Is that your final answer?

-- A (little@monkey.business), April 13, 2001.

wully bully - FYI, your name sounds queer as hell dude.

You're talking about my ballteam there, sport. Good kids, great ballplayers. You familiar with sports (hint - they happen outside your bedroom in real life)? I'm gonna guess not as your mind is obviously on fondling children. Pretty perverted shit there "wully bully". Not even close to funny.......

Deano

-- Deano (deano@luvthebeach.com), April 13, 2001.


Tarzan: I'm glad you answered that question before I ever had to ask. It seems like FOREVER that you've referenced Jane as your fiance, and I was beginning to wonder how long engagements these days lasted. I got married in 1968 after only knowing the guy 3 months. I mentioned to my dad once that I would have preferred living with him for a number of years before "tying the knot", but he [not my dad, but the guy I married] pushed for the marriage thing instead. I'll never be sorry for marrying him. I have three beautiful children as a result. But I'm not at all tempted to make the same mistake again.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), April 13, 2001.

I'm male, she's female. We're getting married this spring.

-- Tarzan the Ape Man

I've been thinking about you recently Tarzan, what with the threads directed at you and all. Here's what I've come up with:

You are the child of a surgeon, (a very demanding specialty in a demanding profession). Several of your siblings are doctors, but you are not. You mention you have always been skinny, so your father has not even been able to respect you as an athlete. Basically, I think you've ALWAYS been a disappointment to your father, never being able to live up to his standards. As an adult, you've turned to being a cynical iconoclast as a way of getting self-esteem, in a twisted way saying you are above the society you could in reality never measure up to. This outlook has led to most of your strongly held views including your choice of a mate -- one that society would not necessarily approve of, but you "know better" about.

The point of this is that your unresolved emotional issues are fine as long as you are only deluding yourself, after all it's your life. But before you drag this poor woman down with you, take a deep look at yourself, and why you really do what you do. Actually, I've started to wonder whether or not a few of the anon. "Tarzan" threads haven't really been STARTED by you, as without something to rail against, what do you have to live for?

-- Interested (in@your.welfare), April 13, 2001.


without something to rail against, what do you have to live for?

Great words, Interested. The same can be asked of Cherri. I think Tarzan and Cherri (and maybe Patricia) are using this forum to vent their opinion because no one wants to listen to them in real life. After all, would you put up with someone who stands in front of you, day after day, year after year, spewing opinion without credible substantation? Most people have closed their doors and unhooked their phones to get away from these types. I suspect having us for their audience keeps them from being committed.

I suppose, in our own way, we are a cyber-support service for these freaks. When do we get funding?

-- (Richard@richardjackamo.con), April 13, 2001.


"...are using this forum to vent their opinion because no one wants to listen to them in real life."

I'll assume you somehow exempt yourself from this charge.

-- Eve (eve_rebekah@yahoo.com), April 13, 2001.


Hey Dick,

You reason for venting here is?

-- Jack Booted Thug (governmentconspiracy@NWO.com), April 13, 2001.


Hey, when you guys get a minute would ya analyze me? I'm always interested in my faults, and how I might improve them.

Thanks in advance!

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), April 13, 2001.


would ya analyze me?

Sure, my analysis is: You're very cool.

-- (Richard@richardjackamo.con), April 13, 2001.


LOL, Unk. I was thinking the same thing.

Oddly enough, however, this whole thread started when Richard [now the psychologist] stated that Cherri was "Oriental." MOST of us saw the picture Cherri posted a year or so ago of her parents. Patricia had the "nerve" to ask him if he thought she was "Oriental" due to the pictures Poole had posted. Richard's response was that he'd seen Cherri STATE that she was "Oriental." Patricia then asked him WHERE she'd stated this and Richard [not having a CLUE where Cherri stated this] started this thread.

He now goes on to say, spewing opinion without credible substantation? while discussing Tarzan. Don't ask ME what substantation means. My suspicion is that he means substantiation, of which he had NONE when he claimed that Cherri was "Oriental."

Back to your post, however, Unk, these new folks ARE amusing. I wouldn't mind undergoing the nickel psychological exam that might be provided. Wasn't it "Lucy" who used to set up those booths in the comics?

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), April 13, 2001.


lol, Anita. My opinion is worth a nickle to me ;)

I probably did get the wrong idea that Cherri is oriental. What matters is that regardless of what race someone is, arguing and spamming opinions such as: religion, sex or politics on the Internet like she and Tarzan does, is symptomatic of someone out of touch with reality. People rarely change their views regardless how many times someone tries to shove an opposing view down their throat.

Other subjects, such as bicycling for example, are worth discussing when one has the time!

-- (Richard@richardjackamo.con), April 13, 2001.


Anita, you think your opinion smells sweeter than any other opinion because somehow you arrive at it through a time-honored methodology. You go as far as to say that your opinion *is* fact. This is your way of presenting yourself as someone above all others, inflating your own ego.

-- Lucy (wheres@my.five.cents), April 13, 2001.

Rodney Dangerfield: I recently went to a psychiatrist for a few months. He finally concluded I was crazy. I said, “Wait a minute! I think I want a second opinion!”

He said, “Ok. You’re ugly, too.”

-- Eve (eve_rebekah@yahoo.com), April 13, 2001.


Richard,

About bicycling - have you heard from Gordy?

-- flora (***@__._), April 13, 2001.


Hey, flora -- you're not angling for a position in line for an instant analysis, are ya? I was here first, you know. I just thought a bad joke was worth the nickel I didn't have.

-- Eve (eve_rebekah@yahoo.com), April 13, 2001.

Well, several posters have commented on the analysis of Tarzan, but no one has said it's off-base. I guess that says something.

Richard, thanks for providing this useful service.

Who wants the "Rich (as in Bingo)" analysis?

-- Interested (Tarzan's@fiancee's.welfare), April 13, 2001.


“Who wants the "Rich (as in Bingo)" analysis?”

Now that could turn into quite the project.

-- Sigmund (says@lay.down), April 13, 2001.


Flora,

You know i've been wondering about Gordy too. Has anyone heard from him since his grand departure from this board on his lonely quest to bicycle around the world?

-- Jack Booted Thug (governmentconspiracy@NWO.com), April 13, 2001.


Richard: People rarely change their views regardless how many times someone tries to shove an opposing view down their throat

I agree with this, but I don't think anyone on this forum tries to do that. We have the folks obsessed with Clinton, the folks obsessed with Bush, and everything inbetween. We even have the folks petty enough to post lies about other posters and claim that everyone must agree because no one bothered to take the lies seriously and post a rebuttal.

Folks disagree on VERY fundamental things. There's nothing inherently bad about disagreement, IMO. Al-D is our resident Christian "philosopher" [and I use the term philosopher loosely there]. His posts are as predictable as Ain't Gonna Happen's. Every single poster provides input to what Maria referenced as the "Community", and whether WE choose to discuss religion, politics, sex, or whatever, is OUR choice. YOUR back button works as well as mine.

Iff the day comes when the folks you think you disagree with today STOP posting, or the day comes when someone on the forum who has followed you around to annoy you stops posting, you may just wonder if they're feeling okay or wonder if they're dead. I know this happened to ME when a poster calling himself Ray on TB2000 followed my every post asking who paid me to post. I was a Polly and Ray was a Doomer. After a time, I EXPECTED Ray to follow me around. When he didn't, I grew concerned. I knew he was an old guy and didn't want anything to happen to him.

The beauty of life lies in the diversity of us all. It may not be a beauty that elicits whistles, but it's a beauty that reflects the wonders of the world.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), April 13, 2001.


Sorry Anita. You're not going to change my mind ;) (Get the humor in that?)

I do think anyone who spends much time here posting long, drawn-out essays about religion or politics has a screw loose.

Seriously, I'd been wondering how many of these people have ADHD (attention deficit hyperactive disorder). I understand that illness makes people over-focus on subjects and unfortunately, they can't control their focus.

Anyone here willing to admit they've had that diagnosis? (Come on, Cherri and Tarz, confess.)

-- (Richard@richardjackamo.con), April 13, 2001.


"I'm male, she's female. We're getting married this spring."

-- Tarzan the Ape Man

Why buy the cow when you get the milk free? Tarzan, the jungle hasn't taught you much has it?

-- bullywooly (bullywooly@wollybully.bull), April 13, 2001.


"wully bully - FYI, your name sounds queer as hell dude."

I happened to be listening to the song at the moment I was typing my first thread. The sax in the song is great! Rock on!

-- wooly bully (rockon@woolybully.rock), April 13, 2001.


Hey, when you guys get a minute would ya analyze me? I'm always interested in my faults, and how I might improve them.

Thanks in advance!

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), April 13, 200

Okay, I'll take a shot but first, I have a question to ask you Unc. Are you any relation to The King of Spain aka the mudwrestler? I think you two are the same person.

-- wooly bully (woolybully@woolly.bull), April 13, 2001.


I like anita's idea

Let's talk about SEX!

{Here comes the psycho-analysis}

-- (cin@cin.cin), April 13, 2001.


Wooly bully, I seriously do not think Unk is KOS.

Cin, I seriously think you are a cyberslut. Are you the same in real life?

-- (Richard@richardjackamo.con), April 13, 2001.


I've got say, the following thread was one of the most unusal ones I have ever read. My jaw dropped to the floor when I saw it, my pussy did tail spins and I haven't fully recovered yet! Is there something wrong with me?

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=004qep

-- lost the urge (losttheurge@lostit.sob), April 13, 2001.


What exactly is a slut?

Go here for the definition

-- (cin@cin.cin), April 13, 2001.


OK, I got that. Will you do me a "service"?

-- (Richard@richardjackamo.con), April 13, 2001.

Sorry Dick

You're in a self-service zone

LOL

-- (cin@cin.cin), April 13, 2001.


No wooly, I'm not KOS. I much prefer hot oil wrestling over the mud variety, and I also prefer to be a participant rather than an observer.

Now, have at me. I am in need of deep psychological insights into my being, please oblige.

Thank you.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), April 14, 2001.


Unk,

I'm in need of deep psychological insights

Pull my finger and receive ONE (1) free analysis. :)

-- Stephen M. Poole (smpoole7@bellsouth.net), April 14, 2001.


LOL!

Hey Stephen, that provided a deep olfactory insight into YOUR being, hee hee.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), April 14, 2001.


Bullywooly-

Marriage isn't a financial transaction, women aren't farm animals, and sex isn't milk.

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), April 14, 2001.


“Marriage isn't a financial transaction”

Spoken like a true novice.

-- Bend (over@monkey.boy), April 14, 2001.


Well, it shut his food-hole for one day at least...

-- Saddened (The_day@was.so_short), April 15, 2001.

moooooooooooooove over and make room for Teeny-Bopper poster toots...................

-- here she comes (at@teeny.bopper), April 15, 2001.

Wooly Bully is the super-fag- Already Done Happened, who called me sweet, creamy, and overrated, and then invited me to his hotel, which just happens to be very near the Iwo Jima Memorial, a famous fag cruising location. BTW ADH, you fizzed like a pepsi on that thread, but no surprise.

-- KoFE (your@town.USSA), April 15, 2001.

The following is re-printed from a Washington D.C. travel guide and I draw your attention to the foreboding warning at the end. Am I the only one outraged at this situation? Here we have one of our national landmark memorials to the brave men that sacrificed their lives in combat, and it is overrun with motherfucking butt fuckers when the sun goes down. Time to send in a wet team and wipe these sick ass reamers off the face of the earth. So KoFE, you might look for another spot to cruise for fresh meat. Oh, don’t forget to send in your taxes tomorrow. ____________________________________________________________________

U.S. Marine Corps War Memorial

The image of five marines and a navy corpsman raising an American flag atop Mount Suribachi during World War II is known to every American school child. Seen in person, the bronze 78-foot statue is sure to stir emotions.

The sculpture near the Arlington National Cemetery commemorates the 6,800 soldiers who died during World War II in order to capture the tiny Japanese island of Iwo Jima. Today, the Memorial is dedicated to all U.S. Marines who died in battle.

A Marine Parade is held at 7pm Tuesdays throughout the summer.

Note: It is best not to visit this Memorial after dark.

-- Rump (rangers@must.die), April 15, 2001.


Very lame spin, rump.

BTW, I'll send "MY" taxes when "I'm" ordered to do so.

Now, you be a good boy, and send "yours", even though you weren't. Mental case.

-- KoFE (your@town.USSA), April 15, 2001.


Consider yourself ordered.

-- W (the@tax.collector), April 15, 2001.

"Wooly Bully is the super-fag- Already Done Happened,"

Nope. Not me, Latte.

"who called me sweet, creamy, and overrated,"

Yes, you are, Latte. Just like a Starbucks latte, which is my new name for you. You're not strong enough to be called coffee. Although you are bitter like coffee.

"and then invited me to his hotel,"

I sure did. You didn't want to present your "evidence" that we don't have to pay taxes -- at least, you didn't want to present it where everyone could see -- so I told you where you could find me so we could discuss it. Like the punk bitch you are, you didn't turn up.

"which just happens to be very near the Iwo Jima Memorial, a famous fag cruising location."

Well, I didn't know it was a cruising spot for gays. How, exactly, do YOU know about it, Latte? Is that where you meet your boyfriends?

"BTW ADH, you fizzed like a pepsi on that thread, but no surprise."

Actually, after you and Flint kissed and made up, I didn't see much purpose in persisting. You failed to present your proof, refused repeated demands and requests for that proof, and then claimed you had won.

The fizzler would be you, Latte.

"BTW, I'll send "MY" taxes when "I'm" ordered to do so."

The Fed has issued a standing order for you to do so. Once again, you refuse to present your evidence. I predict you will continue to do so.

"Now, you be a good boy, and send "yours", even though you weren't."

More unproven and unsupported assertions from the Queen of Sweet Creamy Caffeine Drinks, Miss Latte.

-- Already Done Happened (oh.yeah@it.did.com), April 15, 2001.


Funny how you show up, Super Fag. When you deny that I offered the proof that you asked for, then a debate with you is a definate waste of time.

I'm gonna give up trying to educate this crowd. Some are just unteachable.

It's dark out; I'm surprised you're in.

Go ahead and quote me.

-- KoFE (your@town.USSA), April 15, 2001.


"Funny how you show up, Super Fag.

You're the one that knows where the gay hangouts are, not me. Come on, Latte, come out of the closet. I promise to protect you from Dense Olson, Ain't, Maria and all the other people who would call you names.

"When you deny that I offered the proof that you asked for,"

You offered no proof. Prove me wrong. Cut and paste your alleged offer. Go ahead. I'm waiting, liar.

"then a debate with you is a definate waste of time."

Because you have already lost it. You were repeatedly asked for proof, and you repeatedly refused to give it.

"I'm gonna give up trying to educate this crowd. Some are just unteachable."

Especially when you refuse to give us your notes or textbook, lying dirtbag.

-- Already Done Happened (oh.yeah@it.did.com), April 15, 2001.


Advantage Already Done Happened

-- ScoreKeeper (fifteen@love.com), April 15, 2001.

Game, Set, Match...ADH

-- Time4 (KoFE@2.pout), April 16, 2001.

"Wooly Bully is the super-fag- Already Done Happened,"

BAAAHHHAWAHHHHHHHAAAAAAA! You would never guess in a million years who I am! I'm married, I have grandchildren and.......

-- Wooly Bully (WoolyBully@yehnow.heynow), April 16, 2001.


.......I'm a flaming homo chump, still waiting at the hotel...

-- WoolyBully (yehnow@hey.now), April 16, 2001.

Ah. I thought so. Wooly Bully must be Latte. I checked out of that hotel last week. Latte must still be hanging around the lobby, looking for some action.

Hey, Latte! The Iwo Jima memorial is about a half-mile away! Stuff your pecker in your pants and walk outside to the taxi stand, and you can be there in three minutes!

-- Already Done Happened (oh.yeah@it.did.com), April 16, 2001.


Already Done Happened, I can see the progress we made with your shock treatments is starting to fade. We will now start therapy again. Take 4 of these red pills, and three of the blue ones. Okay?

-- The Professional (just@helping.out), April 16, 2001.

Normally, I'm enough of an egoist that I eat this stuff up with a spoon, but somehow I missed this post.

You are the child of a surgeon, (a very demanding specialty in a demanding profession).

Nope. He's an ENT guy. My mother's an artist.

Several of your siblings are doctors, but you are not.

One of my siblings is a doctor, one is an intern, I'm a software guy and my youngest brother hasn't really settled into a career yet. So far, you're 0 for 0.

You mention you have always been skinny, so your father has not even been able to respect you as an athlete.

??? I think you're projecting here.

My father suffers from rather severe asthma and was a bookish, kind of geeky kid. He has never really cared for sports and forbid my middle brother from playing football when his grades began slipping. I ran varsity track in high school and swam, but I gave it up when I went to college.

Basically, I think you've ALWAYS been a disappointment to your father, never being able to live up to his standards.

LOL! My father and I are actually quite close and always have been. He was very demanding academically, but I managed to do pretty well in school. We're all pretty close actually.

BTW- is this more projection on your part maybe?

As an adult, you've turned to being a cynical iconoclast as a way of getting self-esteem, in a twisted way saying you are above the society you could in reality never measure up to.

Nope. I'm actually something of an idealist. But thanks for playing!

This outlook has led to most of your strongly held views including your choice of a mate -- one that society would not necessarily approve of, but you "know better" about.

Actually, since my father and my mother are of different races themselves, they have never had a problem with my "choice of a mate". And since, by virtue of being mixed race, every relationship I've ever been in has been one that "society would not necessarily approve of", my only other choice would be to have never had a relationship. But perhaps this is what you were getting at in the first place. Since I am the one who must live with my partner, and not society or you, it is certainly accurate to say that in this case, I know better than society.

Did you let society pick your spouse or significant other? Would you?

The point of this is that your unresolved emotional issues are fine as long as you are only deluding yourself, after all it's your life. But before you drag this poor woman down with you, take a deep look at yourself, and why you really do what you do.

I think the only unresolved emotional issues here are yours. To imagine the kind of issues you've attributed to my life would take a certain amount of experience. I imagine you probably have a rather demanding father yourself that you couldn't deal with, and as a result, you believe that all demanding fathers are alienated from their sons. I imagine that you probably have the expectation that doctors are at the top of the societal foodchain and that all children should aspire to do better than their parents, or in this case equal them. As anyone who's ever had a parent in the medical field will tell you, it is definately NOT glamorous and considerably less well-paying than it was in the days before managed care.

Actually, I've started to wonder whether or not a few of the anon. "Tarzan" threads haven't really been STARTED by you, as without something to rail against, what do you have to live for?

You're kidding, right?

Great words, Interested. The same can be asked of Cherri. I think Tarzan and Cherri (and maybe Patricia) are using this forum to vent their opinion because no one wants to listen to them in real life.

Hey Richard, can you deduce our races by our politcal opinions? You get a gold star if you can!

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), April 16, 2001.


Tarzan,

You are the child of a surgeon, (a very demanding specialty in a demanding profession).

Nope. He's an ENT guy.

An ENT IS a surgeon you retard. Usually they do one year of general surgery, and four of ENT nowadays. Why don't you ask your dad?

My mother's an artist.

Most surgeons marry dumbos, surgeons tend towards being control freaks.

Several of your siblings are doctors, but you are not.

One of my siblings is a doctor, one is an intern, I'm a software guy and my youngest brother hasn't really settled into a career yet. So far, you're 0 for 0.

One is a doctor, one is an intern (a first year out of medical school doctor)? Let's see that's one, maybe two if you don't mean a corporate volunteer? Good enough for me. And since you don't even know what your father DOES for a living, I'd say I'm two for two, I know more about an ENT's job than his "close" son.

You mention you have always been skinny, so your father has not even been able to respect you as an athlete.

??? I think you're projecting here.

My father suffers from rather severe asthma and was a bookish, kind of geeky kid. He has never really cared for sports and forbid my middle brother from playing football when his grades began slipping. I ran varsity track in high school and swam, but I gave it up when I went to college.

Sure thing, "pizza face"! I know LOTS of athletes that were called "pizza face" as a kid (sarcasm, tarzan).

Basically, I think you've ALWAYS been a disappointment to your father, never being able to live up to his standards.

LOL! My father and I are actually quite close and always have been. He was very demanding academically, but I managed to do pretty well in school. We're all pretty close actually.

Actually, I can believe the part about being close to him *now*, he's probably pleased as punch you *at least* didn't come out of the closet. OTOH, this is the father you are so close to you didn't even know he was a surgeon! Nice try with the imaginary happy life though.

As an adult, you've turned to being a cynical iconoclast as a way of getting self-esteem, in a twisted way saying you are above the society you could in reality never measure up to.

Nope. I'm actually something of an idealist. But thanks for playing!

No you're not. You have got to be the LEAST idealistic poster on this board since INVAR, and even HE had a goal to shoot for.

Actually, since my father and my mother are of different races themselves,

You said you were white before, what does the word "race" mean to you? Having different "ethnicities" but still "looking" white doesn't count tarz. On the other hand, if like you were raised by a monkey, it probably counts for something.

I think the only unresolved emotional issues here are yours. To imagine the kind of issues you've attributed to my life would take a certain amount of experience. I imagine you probably have a rather demanding father yourself that you couldn't deal with, and as a result, you believe that all demanding fathers are alienated from their sons. I imagine that you probably have the expectation that doctors are at the top of the societal foodchain and that all children should aspire to do better than their parents, or in this case equal them. As anyone who's ever had a parent in the medical field will tell you, it is definately NOT glamorous and considerably less well-paying than it was in the days before managed care.

No, I think you didn't live up to your father's expectations (I'm talking about the surgeon, in case there's more than one potential candidate). Medicine is not glamorous for surgeons, they work hard. OTOH it is still very well paying (I would be shocked if your dad made less than 250,000 per year, 350,000 if in private practice), and since they are respected, they are near the top of the societal food chain as well. Somewhere you've fallen quite far from.

You're kidding, right?

No.

Nice Try tarzan, but the reason no one came to your defense is that the profile actually fits pretty well. Don't torture the poor woman tarzan, get help for yourself first.

-- Interested (Tarzan@doesn't.know.what.an.ENT.is), April 16, 2001.


but the reason no one came to your defense

I'm getting tired of hearing this one. Do you REALLY think that every poster on this forum reads EVERY thread and pays attention to what every anonymous crackpot says? My guess is that MOST folks ignore these posts, as in scrolling past them.

Amateur psychologists are a nickel a dozen.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), April 16, 2001.


An ENT IS a surgeon you retard. Usually they do one year of general surgery, and four of ENT nowadays. Why don't you ask your dad?

Nope, not as such. There is some surgery involved occasionally, and like any other doctor, Dad is capable of it, but it doesn't go much beyond replacing the occasional ear drum or fixing a hair lip. For anything beyond "see spot run" surgery, he'll refer you to an expert, though he did have a recent stapedectomy that he observed. To comapre him to a full-time surgeon would be like calling yourself a truck driver because you drive a pick-up to work.

Okay, here's another analogy for you. My fiance's father does payroll for a small company. He is capable of doing taxes. Does this make him a CPA?

You're about as much of an expert on medicine as you are on my family, Interested.

Most surgeons marry dumbos, surgeons tend towards being control freaks.

Just how many surgeons do you know?

One is a doctor, one is an intern (a first year out of medical school doctor)? Let's see that's one, maybe two if you don't mean a corporate volunteer? Good enough for me. And since you don't even know what your father DOES for a living, I'd say I'm two for two, I know more about an ENT's job than his "close" son.

You're getting sort of desperate now, aren't you? I can understand. You've been obsessed with me for so long that you thought you had me pinned down only to find out you are wrong on virtually everything you thought. But by all means, keep guessing- I'm getting a kick out of this!

Sure thing, "pizza face"! I know LOTS of athletes that were called "pizza face" as a kid (sarcasm, tarzan).

Hey, it's not my fault if you don't have much experience with the outside world.

Actually, I can believe the part about being close to him *now*, he's probably pleased as punch you *at least* didn't come out of the closet. OTOH, this is the father you are so close to you didn't even know he was a surgeon! Nice try with the imaginary happy life though.

Actually, my dad's brother is gay and he's never had an issue with it. I'm pretty sure that if I had been gay, they wouldn't have batted an eye. Mom and Dad set a good example for us when it came to tolerance. They even taught me to tolerate morons like you.

No you're not. You have got to be the LEAST idealistic poster on this board since INVAR, and even HE had a goal to shoot for.

Good heavens, this is almost as penetrating an insight as "Your father is disappointed in you," and "Your father couldn't respect you as an athlete,"

Not only do you claim to have some secret insight into my family, but you also now claim to be able to read my mind.

You said you were white before, what does the word "race" mean to you? Having different "ethnicities" but still "looking" white doesn't count tarz. On the other hand, if like you were raised by a monkey, it probably counts for something.

You seem to have a real problem with this race thing. First you deride me for choosing a spouse who is what you would consider "societally unacceptable,", then you say that since I am half-white, I am all white, and therefore, am not of mixed race, no matter what race my parents are.

No, I think you didn't live up to your father's expectations (I'm talking about the surgeon, in case there's more than one potential candidate). Medicine is not glamorous for surgeons, they work hard. OTOH it is still very well paying (I would be shocked if your dad made less than 250,000 per year, 350,000 if in private practice), and since they are respected, they are near the top of the societal food chain as well. Somewhere you've fallen quite far from.

And now you have a secret phone line to my accountant! I LOVE it!

Just one question, though: with all this time, attention, and effort you've spent spying on my family, my fiancee, my accountant, and me, where do you have time to actually have a life of your own?

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), April 16, 2001.


I went to an ENT when my family doc thought I might have cancer of the larynx. I had to get surgery on my throat to remove the nodules. When I got out of the hospital I was surprised to see my bill mention a doctor I'd never heard of. I went back to my ENT for the check up and asked him about it. He said that he doesn't do complex surgery just the light stuff like tonsils and such but that he "assisted" the other doctor (meaning that he was in the room). I think this is probably what Tarzan is talking about, my ENT guy wouldn't call himself a surgeon either. In fact, he said, "I'm not a surgeon I'm just a doctor,"

-- FWIW (forwhat@its.worth), April 16, 2001.

Once again my apologies to Patricia for prolonging this thread but it's just too funny.

Tar, in case you didn't realize you didn't need to defend yourself against the cyber psychoanalysis. In fact, providing the "defense" made you look more foolish. "But thanks for playing". (ENT is not a surgeon?! LOL - then who operated on my son?!)

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), April 16, 2001.


Surgery's a speciality, Maria. ENT's like my dad are capable of it but doctor's who do it full time are given the title of surgeon. For instance, an ENT can do rhinoplasty but a plastic surgeon probably won't diagnose your strep throat. An ENT wouldn't spend his whole day doing surgery, like, say a neurosurgeon would.

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), April 16, 2001.

I think you guys are talking past each other. Doctors have different practices. I think you guys are talking types of doctors and Tarzan's talking about what his dad actually doies.

-- FWIW (forwhat@its.worth), April 16, 2001.

An ENT IS a surgeon you retard. Usually they do one year of general surgery, and four of ENT nowadays. Why don't you ask your dad?

Nope, not as such. There is some surgery involved occasionally, and like any other doctor, Dad is capable of it, but it doesn't go much beyond replacing the occasional ear drum or fixing a hair lip. For anything beyond "see spot run" surgery, he'll refer you to an expert, though he did have a recent stapedectomy that he observed. To comapre him to a full-time surgeon would be like calling yourself a truck driver because you drive a pick-up to work.

Well, I'll give you this, you truly are ignorant of medicine. ENTs can perform maxillofacial surgery, etc. They are surgeons and to become boarded have performed procedures that no internal medicine/fp doctor would even be exposed to. Some may not practice those skills, but that doesn't mean they can't claim them. As an example, if all your father decided to do was lecture to students, would he stop being a doctor because he wasn't practicing? If you're going to argue about something, don't make it a definition you don't know the meaning of.

Just how many surgeons do you know?

More than you obviously!

Not only do you claim to have some secret insight into my family, but you also now claim to be able to read my mind.

I have insight into your family because of what you posted. I have insight into your mind because of what you posted. Not mind reading, just observant. And you are LYING here saying I claim to be able to read your mind. I never did.

First you deride me for choosing a spouse who is what you would consider "societally unacceptable,", then you say that since I am half-white, I am all white, and therefore, am not of mixed race, no matter what race my parents are.

I didn't deride you for your choice of spouse, I think you chose her in part because of unresolved issues in your life. For all I know she's a fine woman. On race, if you LOOK white, you won't be discriminated against in the same way a black person would. Why don't you try asking your fiancee about it before making such an asinine statement?

No, I think you didn't live up to your father's expectations (I'm talking about the surgeon, in case there's more than one potential candidate). Medicine is not glamorous for surgeons, they work hard. OTOH it is still very well paying (I would be shocked if your dad made less than 250,000 per year, 350,000 if in private practice), and since they are respected, they are near the top of the societal food chain as well. Somewhere you've fallen quite far from.

And now you have a secret phone line to my accountant! I LOVE it!

Tarzan, in case you've already forgotten this was in response to your saying how miserable doctor's have it, not a comment about you. Nice try diverting the topic though. You haven't responded to my main points which were 1. surgeons like your father have a great income compared to most of society 2. they are also respected 3. these two things do place them at the high end of society - everything you asserted earlier was wrong. On you personally, call it a hunch ;-)

An ENT wouldn't spend his whole day doing surgery, like, say a neurosurgeon would.

Some do. Some neurosurgeons aren't in the O.R. much. Why not ask pops before making ridiculous statements like this?

If the shoe fits Tarzan, wear it. Get help.

-- Interested (Tarzan@slip.on.banana), April 16, 2001.


Well, I'll give you this, you truly are ignorant of medicine. ENTs can perform maxillofacial surgery, etc. They are surgeons and to become boarded have performed procedures that no internal medicine/fp doctor would even be exposed to. Some may not practice those skills, but that doesn't mean they can't claim them.

I think I'm beginning to see why you believe my father would be disappointed in me for not becoming a doctor.

Just so we're clear on this, an Otolaryngologist chooses a speciality, such as audiology (like my dad), pediatric audiology, neurosurgery, reconstructive surgery (a plastic surgeon), etc. You can become a certified otolaryngologist without becoming certified in every area of otolaryngology. In fact, if you're going in for a nose job, I would hope to hell you would seek a board certified RECONSTRUCTIVE SURGEON and not an ENT generalist or any other speciailty.

For the record, my father doesn't call himself a surgeon, he calls himself a "head-hole doctor". I guess he can claim being a surgeon. But he doesn't.

As an example, if all your father decided to do was lecture to students, would he stop being a doctor because he wasn't practicing?

He's a doctor because he's an MD, but if he spent four years lecturing to college students, would you want him poking around your ears?

Just how many surgeons do you know?

More than you obviously!

Since I only know one, then yeah. But the one I know isn't my father.

I have insight into your family because of what you posted. I have insight into your mind because of what you posted. Not mind reading, just observant. And you are LYING here saying I claim to be able to read your mind. I never did.

Claiming to know the reasons why someone does something (such as posting here) and how they feel about events in their life which they have not revealed is nothing BUT attempted mind-reading.

I didn't deride you for your choice of spouse, I think you chose her in part because of unresolved issues in your life.

More mind-reading. You said I chose a spouse who society would find unacceptable but that I "know better". I ask again, who would know better about a choice for spouse than the person who will be married to that spouse?

For all I know she's a fine woman. On race, if you LOOK white, you won't be discriminated against in the same way a black person would.

What makes you say I look white? And you are aware there's more races than black and white, right?

Tarzan, in case you've already forgotten this was in response to your saying how miserable doctor's have it, not a comment about you.

I didn't say doctors are miserable. But I do say that medicine isn't glamorous and isn't as highly paid as you might think.

Nice try diverting the topic though. You haven't responded to my main points which were 1. surgeons like your father have a great income compared to most of society

Dad's pretty comfortable money wise, yes, but unlike me, he's seen his income potential almost literally get cut off at the knees. Granted, I don't make as much money as my father, but my income potential is considerably more robust than his, even accounting for age.

2. they are also respected

Eh... depends. Patients respect doctors, administrators, insurance companies, hysterical family members and the assorted other people they have to deal with do not.

3. these two things do place them at the high end of society - everything you asserted earlier was wrong.

What, exactly, did I assert, other than medicine isn't glamorous and not as well-paying as it once was? Both of these points you've already conceeded. Do you regret that now?

On you personally, call it a hunch ;-)

It's a hunch alright, but one based on desperation rather than inspiration.

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), April 16, 2001.


I guess he can claim being a surgeon. But he doesn't.

Point one for me. He is a surgeon. Thank you.

He's a doctor because he's an MD, but if he spent four years lecturing to college students, would you want him poking around your ears?

He's still a doctor. Thank you.

More than you obviously!

Since I only know one, then yeah. But the one I know isn't my father.

A little of the ol' West Virginia in the family tarz?

Claiming to know the reasons why someone does something (such as posting here) and how they feel about events in their life which they have not revealed is nothing BUT attempted mind-reading

Bwahaha! No, you said, " you also now claim to be able to read my mind. " I never ****claimed**** that, you LIED. Point two for me.

I ask again, who would know better about a choice for spouse than the person who will be married to that spouse

In many cultures throughout the world marriages are arranged by the parents, who know better through wisdom of years than their impetuous children. Your parents for one therefore know better than you. Don't assume your idea of culture is the only valid one tarzan!

What makes you say I look white? And you are aware there's more races than black and white, right?

You have made a big point of this on a prior thread how you "looked white, while your spouse, well, didn't" (paraphrase of what I believe your statement was). If you care to dig up the thread (since you replied to it I'd hope you remember which it was) you can show me the real writing, who knows, perhaps my memory's faulty.

I didn't say doctors are miserable. But I do say that medicine isn't glamorous and isn't as highly paid as you might think.

And I pointed out about how well (actually I'm lowballing a bit) doctors in your father's field are. They therefore ARE paid as well as I think. Another point for me.

he's seen his income potential almost literally get cut off at the knees. Granted, I don't make as much money as my father, but my income potential is considerably more robust than his, even accounting for age.

Some specialist MDs have seen their incomes go way down, from say 600k to 300k. It's still a good living by american standards, and probably in the top 1-3% of the world's in overall income. Not exactly the bottom rung on the food chain. You don't make as much, you said so, remember this further down. And income POTENTIAL? Who cares? You also have the potential to be President or win the Lotto! Is that what you are referring to? You play the lotto and he doesn't so your potential is higher? In case you haven't figured it out, potential = 0. Results = 1.

2. they are also respected

Eh... depends.

If you were an idealist, you might agree, a cynic would try and find the negative side of a noble profession. Good job in finding the negative angle.

On you personally, call it a hunch ;-)

It's a hunch alright, but one based on desperation rather than inspiration.

Remember what I asked you to earlier? Where you said you didn't make as much as your father? I was right in my hunch doofus! I guess in tarzanspeak "desperation" means "correct", and "inspiration" means "wrong".

To use the same language as everyone else really is helpful in communicating ideas tarzan. Try it sometime. In common-speak, I was correct, you were wrong. You can twist this into whatever translation you require to understand it, but the fact still stands.

Man, that poor girl...

-- Interested (Hopefully@no.kids.after.chemo.though), April 16, 2001.


Point one for me. He is a surgeon. Thank you.

Semantics. The man doesn't consider himself a surgeon, yet you are somehow more knowledgeable about him than he is. Getting desperate again, huh?

He's still a doctor. Thank you.

Sure he's still a doctor, in the same way that any other PhD is a doctor.

Bwahaha! No, you said, " you also now claim to be able to read my mind. " I never ****claimed**** that, you LIED. Point two for me.

Dennis?

Sorry, you engaged in the act of mind-reading, both in my case and my father's case. This makes you an attempted mind-reader. The point is mine.

In many cultures throughout the world marriages are arranged by the parents, who know better through wisdom of years than their impetuous children. Your parents for one therefore know better than you. Don't assume your idea of culture is the only valid one tarzan!

LOL! I love watching you squirm!

Do you think society can pick a better spouse than the person who will be married to that spouse or not? If you have a spouse (and I sort of doubt it, given the amount of time you've spent observing my life and my family), did you let society pick that spouse? How about your parents?

You have made a big point of this on a prior thread how you "looked white, while your spouse, well, didn't" (paraphrase of what I believe your statement was). If you care to dig up the thread (since you replied to it I'd hope you remember which it was) you can show me the real writing, who knows, perhaps my memory's faulty.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I love watching you squirm!

Here's how this works: you make a point, you back it up with facts. It is not up to your opponent to make your argument for you.

And I pointed out about how well (actually I'm lowballing a bit) doctors in your father's field are. They therefore ARE paid as well as I think. Another point for me.

Even MORE squirming! You lied when you claimed I said doctors were miserable, then, when faced with your lie, you claim that they are better paid than I believe (without presenting anything to back up your claim, BTW) and declare victory.

ROFLMAOWPIMP

Some specialist MDs have seen their incomes go way down, from say 600k to 300k.

Do you have a citation for that? Surely someone with such high standards of proof(LOL) as yourself wouldn't pull numbers out of the air now would you?

Whatever your source is you might want to share it with, the AMA. Unfortunately, they are under the mistaken assumption that the average mean income for all doctors was barely $200,000 in 1996. E & Y sets the median income at 215 K. To be frank, I make $150 K as a director of development for a software company. I'm not trying to brag here, just saying that IT pays better than you think, and medicine doesn't.

You don't make as much, you said so, remember this further down. And income POTENTIAL? Who cares? You also have the potential to be President or win the Lotto! Is that what you are referring to? You play the lotto and he doesn't so your potential is higher? In case you haven't figured it out, potential = 0. Results = 1.

Actually, all I have to do is remain in IT and I should be able to match a doctor's income in under five years, including bonuses.

If you were an idealist, you might agree, a cynic would try and find the negative side of a noble profession. Good job in finding the negative angle.

No, I'm just too familiar with this particular point. Lots of people would love to believe that everyone respects a doctor, but most folks who deal with doctors often, and those who don't but who are under a lot of stress, can get downright abusive.

Remember what I asked you to earlier? Where you said you didn't make as much as your father? I was right in my hunch doofus! I guess in tarzanspeak "desperation" means "correct", and "inspiration" means "wrong".

Uh-oh, looks like someone's medication gave out! What you actually said wasYou haven't responded to my main points which were 1. surgeons like your father have a great income compared to most of society 2. they are also respected 3. these two things do place them at the high end of society - everything you asserted earlier was wrong. On you personally, call it a hunch ;-)

I have never claimed to make as much as my father. However, as the evidence I posted points out, doctors make considerably less than you think, they are not as respected as you think, and you have already conceeded that I was correct in my assertation that medicine isn't as glamorous or as lucrative as it once was. I imagine it must be difficult when the rest of the world doesn't buy into your delusions. I can understand why you have the need to lie and misrepresent my statements, however, doing it on the same thread where those statements were made just makes you look foolish.

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), April 16, 2001.


Semantics. The man doesn't consider himself a surgeon, yet you are somehow more knowledgeable about him than he is. Getting desperate again, huh?

Nope. Ask him whether ENT is a "surgical specialty" or a "medical specialty" and see what he tells you. (I've asked you several times to ask him what he's in, you keep giving your uneducated opinion). The point is still mine, you are incorrect. Why do you keep using words like "desperate" and "squirm" anyway? They don't add or subtract anything from your being incorrect, you know.

Sure he's still a doctor, in the same way that any other PhD is a doctor.

EEEEEP! Wrong again. Assuming he kept up with his CME's as an MD he could still treat patients, even after teaching, a Ph.D. can't.

Sorry, you engaged in the act of mind-reading, both in my case and my father's case. This makes you an attempted mind-reader. The point is mine.

Sorry. If I ENGAGED in the act of mind reading, that would mean I was successful, and would BE a mind-reader. If I attempted to engage in mind reading (but was unsuccessful) I would have been an attempted mind reader. You can't even make up a good cover for your lies. The point is not yours, you are wrong again. The point is mine, and you are still a liar.

LOL! I love watching you squirm!

There's that word again. I guess it helps your state of mind to visualize someone as being uncomfortable when you are consistently being proven wrong. It's o.k., with therapy this desire will leave you.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I love watching you squirm!

Yes, you keep saying it, over and over and over. Tarzan, look up "projection" in one of your father's psychology books (he probably had to take a class in psychology in college or med school). It fits you like a glove.

Even MORE squirming!

tarz, try looking up "fixation" as long as you've borrowed pop's (maybe) book. You seem to take up a lot of definitions in a psych text BTW.

Whatever your source is you might want to share it with, the AMA. Unfortunately, they are under the mistaken assumption that the average mean income for all doctors was barely $200,000 in 1996. E & Y sets the median income at 215 K.

This is pathetic, even for you. Seriously tarz the AVERAGE income for doctors? That would include low income specialties such as pediatrics and family practice would it not? The same specialties that are on the high end of numbers of practitioners compared to the relatively few high paid specialists like your pop? Why not post something useful like the average ENT's salary. That would mean something. This statistic is worthless and proves nothing. "Here's how this works: you make a point, you back it up with facts." You have done neither.

Actually, all I have to do is remain in IT and I should be able to match a doctor's income in under five years, including bonuses.

You haven't yet found out what an average ENT's income is, so this statement is completely incorrect, whether by accident or intent. Back to the drawing board.

and you have already conceeded that I was correct in my assertation that medicine isn't as glamorous or as lucrative as it once was. I imagine it must be difficult when the rest of the world doesn't buy into your delusions.

Actually tarz, this is the first time you've claimed that medicine used to be glamorous but now it isn't as much as it used to be. The hard part about keeping up with YOUR delusions is that you keep changing what they are every post! (Although I do thank you for attempting to speak using a set of vocabulary definitions that most people can understand for once, that much at least was helpful, the rest rubbish).

I don't know why tarz, but I like watching you the same way some people slow down to look at traffic accidents. You just don't seem to realize the difference between true and false. It is a morbid curiosity I suppose, but you really are interesting.



-- Interested (Tarzan@needs.one.more.fry.in.his.happy.meal), April 16, 2001.


What a crock of shit! Tarzan, or whatever the fuck your name is, I doubt if you have ANY female companionship…black, yellow, pink..NONE. What woman would put up with a dink like you that spends so much time on Internet forums? You are just another bullshitter that hasn’t been laid in so long you forgot what it smells like.

Same for Anita. She raves on about her black SO but where is this dude while she is traipsing all over the country to meet friggin’ ‘Internet friends’ and spend countless hours blabbing away on the Net?

If you two are lonely, no problem. Take your fantasies out here but don’t expect everyone to bite on this crap. Now I must go before the little woman starts bitchin’.

-- More (monkey@boy.bull), April 16, 2001.


Tarzan >>>Sure he's still a doctor, in the same way that any other PhD is a doctor.

Interested >>>"EEEEEP! Wrong again."

Nope, YOU are wrong, Interested. My agriculture-professor dad is DOCTOR to you, even though you wouldn't want him to take out your tonsils.

"Assuming he kept up with his CME's as an MD he could still treat patients, even after teaching, a Ph.D. can't."

That PhD is STILL "Doctor," like it or not. You're arguing semantics.

-- Already Done Happened (oh.yeah@it.did.com), April 16, 2001.


My my my. You certainly are obsessed with me. While the act is getting a bit boring, I do love attention!

Nope. Ask him whether ENT is a "surgical specialty" or a "medical specialty" and see what he tells you. (I've asked you several times to ask him what he's in, you keep giving your uneducated opinion).

You said he's a surgeon. He says he's not. Whom should I believe?

EEEEEP! Wrong again. Assuming he kept up with his CME's as an MD he could still treat patients, even after teaching, a Ph.D. can't.

Oh come on. You don't believe that every state has the same licensing requirements, do you?

Sorry. If I ENGAGED in the act of mind reading, that would mean I was successful, and would BE a mind-reader.

Nope. You failed in your mind-reading, but this did not prevent you from engaging in the act.

There's that word again. I guess it helps your state of mind to visualize someone as being uncomfortable when you are consistently being proven wrong. It's o.k., with therapy this desire will leave you.

LOL!

An amusing answer, but you failed to address the question. Here it is again:

Do you think society can pick a better spouse than the person who will be married to that spouse or not? If you have a spouse (and I sort of doubt it, given the amount of time you've spent observing my life and my family), did you let society pick that spouse? How about your parents?

You have also failed to provide proof that I once said I looked white. Should I take this to mean you conceed this point as well?

tarz, try looking up "fixation" as long as you've borrowed pop's (maybe) book. You seem to take up a lot of definitions in a psych text BTW.

Interesting. This was in response to my comment, You lied when you claimed I said doctors were miserable, then, when faced with your lie, you claim that they are better paid than I believe (without presenting anything to back up your claim, BTW) and declare victory.

Not a word about projection. If you're going to misrepresent someone's statements you really should do it on a different thread. You're making this to easy.

This is pathetic, even for you. Seriously tarz the AVERAGE income for doctors?

Hey, if the AMA isn't good enough for you, I give up. After all, they wouldn't know a thing about how much doctors make, now would they? You are welcome to provide some documentation of your point. Otherwise, your salary figures will remain unfounded.

"Here's how this works: you make a point, you back it up with facts." You have done neither.

On the contrary, I have provided well-documented facts from a source that any reasonable person would accept. Your problem is that they disagree with your statement. If you would like to support your statement with facts, please do so. If not, well, then I'll do it for you, and I'm afraid you won't like it. So I'll give you a chance to support your own argument.

Actually tarz, this is the first time you've claimed that medicine used to be glamorous but now it isn't as much as it used to be.

More semantics, the last refuge of a losing argument.

Ad hominems snipped.

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), April 17, 2001.


Already done happened,

No, your dad isn't a medical doctor, and could not take out my tonsils even if he wanted to. If you can find ANY example of an ag. Ph.D. with ENT hospital privileges (one that's not also an MD, obviously) I'll concede you were right. You aren't though, you are full of shit.

tarzan,

I'll do you the courtesy of not reading your post, seeing as how you bit again. I got to thinking about this exchange yesterday afternoon, and started feeling guilty. At first it was kind of fun, but now I feel more like the town delinquent picking on the local handicapped kid.

Have fun tarzan, blessings to your upcoming nuptuals.

Best Wishes,

Interested

-- Well (At@least.I.feel.sorry.now), April 17, 2001.


How is it that having a father who is a doctor is supposed to reflect badly on the son who is not? I doan get it.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), April 17, 2001.

Unk-

I get this a lot. To people whose only view of medicine comes from television and movies, being a doctor sounds like a dream career. They don't understand the financial and social burdens of medical school and residency, and the later burdens of administrivia, all they see is the mirage. A lot of people think they'd like to be a doctor, but something (money, family, organic chem, whatever) stood in their way. They imagine that being the son of a doctor means you were born with a silver caduceus in your mouth and they can't understand why someone wouldn't want to be one themselves. I went to a very good private university where there were more than a few of us who were doctor's kids who took quite a bit of flack for it, mostly from stressed-out pre-med majors. One of my friends was fortunate enough to have both parents be doctors. Neither he nor his sisters do anything even remotely tied to medicine. Now that I think about it, other than my brother and my sister, I can only think of one doctor's kid I've ever met who went on to be a doctor.

I think this person believes that anyone who doesn't do better than their parents financially, or at least equal to them, is a de facto failure, never mind whatever else you accomplish in life. Maybe s/he wanted to be a doctor but couldn't hack it, maybe s/he had a parent s/he felt was over-demanding, maybe s/he's just digging. Whatever. It's not an uncommon notion, but fortunately one that I've never been afflicted with. My folks raised us to make ourselves happy, not to please somebody else.

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), April 17, 2001.


I guess I am a de facto failure too then.

Funny thing is, I'm still happy despite it.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), April 17, 2001.


Wow, welcome to the club. Just out of curiousity, what does your parent(s) do?

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), April 17, 2001.

Dad was OBGYN, he is deceased, mom is (was) RN, she is retired.

Perhaps you and I should form the "Self-Inflated Underachievers Assn", then we too could put fancy letters after our names on our bidness card;

Unk D, SIU

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), April 17, 2001.


:-)

Dinner time at your house must have been boring as shit, with both your folks in medicine. All parents naturally talk about their jobs, but since my sister went to med school (about the time I was in high school) every family get-together has been like reading the Cliff Note's version of Gray's Anatomy. I love them, but sometimes they bore me to tears.

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), April 17, 2001.


"Already done happened,"

Yes?

"No, your dad isn't a medical doctor, and could not take out my tonsils even if he wanted to."

I know that. I said that already.

"If you can find ANY example of an ag. Ph.D. with ENT hospital privileges (one that's not also an MD, obviously) I'll concede you were right. You aren't though,

No, I'm right. You are arguing semantics, and doing a pretty poor job of it. Watch closely as I borrow your lame tactic.

"you are full of shit."

No. You have failed to demonstrate that I am full of shit. If you can get a doctor to open me up and confirm that I contain at least 80% feces by weight AND volume, then I'll concede that you are right on that point. You aren't, though, and you could possibly be full of shit yourself. Perhaps my dad will consider opening you up on a pro- bono basis.

"tarzan, I'll do you the courtesy of not reading your post,"

Because he is kicking your obstinate, proof-less ass.

"seeing as how you bit again."

You certainly seem to be biting over and over again. That speaks more to you than to Tarzan.

"I got to thinking about this exchange yesterday afternoon, and started feeling guilty. At first it was kind of fun, but now I feel more like the town delinquent picking on the local handicapped kid."

Delinquent and handicapped are right. Look in the mirror. For all your shrieking and bluster, you haven't ONCE presented cold, hard evidence that Tarzan was wrong about medical income figures. In fact, the only person who has presented confirmable data was Tarzan, not you. Somehow, you fail to recognize that your claims and opinions do not constitute evidence, and your argument with Tarzan to this point consists of "no, you're wrong. No, you're wrong. No, you're wrong."

As you have utterly failed to prove your points (assuming you have any), the argument thus far is Tarzan's. Your schoolyard argumentation style is a complete failure. If you want the argument, it is yours to win. However, you will have to bring some hard data to the table, instead of simply disagreeing with everything Tarzan says. If you won't, then all your contradictions are void.

YOU made the assertions. It is incumbent upon YOU to prove them. Otherwise, they're just so much hot air.

-- Already Done Happened (oh.yeah@it.did.com), April 17, 2001.


Kofe,

"near the Iwo Jima Memorial, a famous fag cruising location."

I've heard about this too. When I was in Rosslyn a while back the folks that I was working with warned me about this. They said to not go out around there at night. A real shame that such an important monument should be despoiled like this.

What part of D.C. do you hail from?

-- Traveler (miles@to.go.before.I.sleep), April 17, 2001.


"Same for Anita. She raves on about her black SO but where is this dude while she is traipsing all over the country"

More, I think that Anita's S.O. is Hispanic.

While you are at it quit being such an asshole.

-- Troll Detector (TD@trolls.are.braindead.idiots), April 17, 2001.


Richard - Do you know how to limerick?

-- Wonderin (if@it's.you.or.just.some.jerk), April 17, 2001.

"I think Tarzan and Cherri (and maybe Patricia) are using this forum to vent their opinion because no one wants to listen to them in real life."

"I suppose, in our own way, we are a cyber-support service for these freaks."

"-- (Richard@richardjackamo.con), April 13, 2001."

Or maybe they just enjoy baiting idiots like yourself.

-- That must be (why@I'm.here.too), April 17, 2001.


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