Having had a look at all the Lurker details I'd like to give you all a quick summary of what I have found.

The IP address of "all" the Lurkers this week have had an IP address which has the same first three parts to it, say 123.456.789. The last part of the subnet has ranged from 65 to 73. Now I'm not a TCP/IP type person but I am one for seeing patterns in numbers. To me the lurkers have all been the same person. The chance that two people have independently signed on to the internet, through the same service provider, at the same time, picking up IP addresses that are one or two different seems completely unbelievable. When the lurker has returned the next day the IP address has been still within the range of 8 digits. Clearly (well to me) all the lurker postings this week have been from the same person.

I have asked a pal who is a sad network security type person (apologies Scott if you see this !!) to now find out where these IP addresses come from. He has a qualification as a penetration engineer, which apart from being a great chat up line, means he has the skills used by banks and the likes to allow him to try and hack into their networks/systems. He believes he will have no problem finding out the source of our lurker.

I don't want to post the resuls on here, but I will if you insist.

I'm now off to Aberdeen for the weekend, I must have been naughty in my youth.

-- Anonymous, April 06, 2001

Answers

Thats Illegal, Duncan Read, your ISP & your employer will be informed if such happens

-- Anonymous, April 06, 2001

How do you qualify as a penetration engineer? Certainly sounds a more interesting job than mine.........?

The missus told me ask.

-- Anonymous, April 06, 2001

Isn't that what Gav does? ;-)

-- Anonymous, April 06, 2001

What's illegal? postings someone's details on the internet? don't be so silly....

-- Anonymous, April 06, 2001

I thought you could find out easier than that. Isn't there a site that can somewhere that can tell you the source of all ISP numbers?

BTW my number often varies by a few digits.

-- Anonymous, April 06, 2001

Exactly Rik, ISP numbers change all the time, or do they? (anonmizers)

Yes Gav, look at your ISP Contract, illegal

-- Anonymous, April 06, 2001

But I guess that it would only be illegal if you live in the UK - not for someone living in somewhere such as Japan.

-- Anonymous, April 06, 2001

I would rather not see any information about Lurker or any other user of this board for that matter. In my view having the occasional contributor from other clubs on here has on many occassions livened the board up no end, sometimes it goes wrong but in the main its a good thing. A bit of handbags last week but in the main Lurker seems quite capable of providing a bit of banter. The various threats that have been flying around the board are to me rather worrying and ultimatly would only end up in the board coming crashing down around our ears. Never been to the Sunderland board and have no desire to, some of you have and seem to get some kind of enjoyment out of it?! so as long as it doesn't resort to abuse and insults what is the problem with occassional comments from their lot? As to lurker's accusation that we are cosy complacent back-slappers: people here treat this place like a pub (as has often been said). In many cases the regulars have been coming here for years and most often know where each other are coming from. So yes, heated debate is rare, as it usually is among friends. Differences of opinion are not rare but are generally not expressed by trading insults or abuse. We like this, so what's the problem? If you want to go to the pub for a fight, you'll have to go to a rougher pub than this.

-- Anonymous, April 07, 2001

Well said Tom. (:o)

-- Anonymous, April 07, 2001

Dont worry, I shall inform my ISP of your future intentions Macbeth

Now let me f****** go will you?!

Stop starting new threads et all.

Tom is spot on

-- Anonymous, April 07, 2001

Tom,

I don't think you're saying anything that essentially everyone else has.
As a community I believe we ARE open to fans of other Clubs who want a little banter and debate, indeed would welcome it, and several people have already made this abundantly clear. However, it is surely not unreasonable for us to draw the line at mindless vitriol and four-lettered abuse of the kind that dominates boards like SAFC's RTG (Ready To Go) and The Strawberry, and is also prevalent on the NUFC Official Site BBS?
That is all some people are strongly reacting to - we have fought in the past to ensure this board's survival, and will not now accept the risk of it being destroyed.

It would terrific, and healthy for the bbs, to have a few fans of several other Clubs as regular contributors to our discussions - people who enter it in the same spirit as Lancaster Red - who certainly isn't a 'Toon patsy', vehemently fights his corner for the Reds, and is respected for that.

I have recently solicited the views of some of the most regular contributors off- line, and can tell you that is very much the concensus view.

So, my message to Lurker - for the 2nd time - is drop all the abusive nonsense, use a consistent and valid e-mail address, and get into some real discussion. Set about representing and defending all things related to SAFC - goodness knows we comment on them often enough.
It could get heated, but you might just enjoy it, and who knows it might just make a small contribution to breaking down the sheer unbridled hatred that presently exists between the two sets of fans - a situation that personally I find abhorrent.

-- Anonymous, April 07, 2001

Whatever the policy here, IPs are public and for the security. E.g. check http://www.ripe.net/cgi-bin/whois

-- Anonymous, April 07, 2001

Complete agreement with Clarky. If some of us seem a bit precious about this BBS its having seen how rapidly other boards have degenerated into forums where abuse seems the principle form of communication. IMHO other fans are welcome as long as they, and all of us, keep it civil. One of my best friends is a Mackem and we both have a lot of fun out of the rivalry (the name 'Clive Mendonca' still brings a smile to my face). Having said that I'd rather have this 'Mags only' than see it turn into the Strawberry or RTG.

-- Anonymous, April 07, 2001

I'm not in favour of posting IP addresses - mine or anybody else's. That's one of the reasons I don't frequent other boards where they automatically publish addresses.

I agree with Tom and Clarky (and a whole ot more).

Lurker - why not tell who you think will replace Sooper Kev when he leaves? Would you have Bridges back?

-- Anonymous, April 07, 2001

Jussi, I can't get any info from that site. It'll not even tell me who I am.

As for revealing IP numbers Screach, what's the problem with that?

-- Anonymous, April 07, 2001

well, it will be the first step imho to this place being like RTG (sinister with a bully type mentality) and we have to gt away from that and let this pass without getting our feathers ruffled anymore and letting ourselves seem bothered

-- Anonymous, April 07, 2001

The fact that something is in breach of a contract doesn't make it illegal in the sense Lurker imagines.

-- Anonymous, April 10, 2001

Mac where does an IP address come from? the machine or an ISP. I was struggling to connect using this mini pc but thanks to ukonline I am now ONLINE & in the UK as it happens. MSN asked me for an IP address and when I made one up it kicked me off - so what's mine.

-- Anonymous, April 10, 2001

IP address is assigned by your isp. Most of them use dynamic addressing. They have a pool of available addy's so you just whatever is available at the time you dial in. When you sign off, that addy returns to the pool. It's not that difficult to find out what isp a person is using from the address, but it takes a good hacker...errr, penetration engineer ;-), to trace it down to the actual user. I used to work at one of the internet pioneers and was amazed at what these guys could find out. And how ridiculously easy they made it look. We had one guy who drove management nuts cause he'd get bored, start hacking into the company's supposedly secure systems, then report the holes.

They eventually gave him a job, paying ridiculous sums of money, to spend his day hacking.

-- Anonymous, April 10, 2001

Sounds like one for Peyter Heed's transfer list ;-)

-- Anonymous, April 10, 2001

Tony the IP address against your message was 212.134.26.233 only two other people on this thread have 212 as the first part of their subnet, and they had 1 and 177 as the next part, where you have 134.

-- Anonymous, April 10, 2001

Do I have a FEW completly different ones depending on who I use to get an internet conection Mac?

-- Anonymous, April 10, 2001

Rik

you seem to have two, the first which I guess is your normal one has 195.92.67 as its first three parts, and then it varies, which I guess matches up with the earlier comment that ISPs apply random addresses once you're attached to them. You also have another which I saw somewhere which begins 212.1.133 which I guess must be another provider altogether.

No one on here seems to have a single address that is always theirs, everyone seems to have this range that must match up to their ISP

-- Anonymous, April 10, 2001

You can readily obtain your IP address from your ISP, Rik - if you feel it will be useful.

-- Anonymous, April 10, 2001

Yeah - I think most organisations (ISPs or companies) use "DHCP". I think that stands for Dynamic Host Connect Protocol or similar. Anyway, the important bit is "Dynamnic" ie not allocated permanently. The most significant part (leftmost numbers) are the organisation. That's the bit I don't like seeing broadcast publicly ;-)

-- Anonymous, April 10, 2001

Broadcasting it just takes a bit of the work out of finding out. It's pretty easy to do a DNS lookup of an ip(to get the organization info) or do a reverse lookup of the companyname.com to find out their primary ip address. Anything falling under that is part of the subnet. The only thing I'm not sure about is if you can do that lookup with a web browser. There probably is some way, I'm just not geeky enough to figure it out. Never had to, since we worked in unix at my last company, you could do the commands directly.

And to further confuse the issue, they can own a subnet completely unrelated to their primary ip addy. But it should still be relatively easy to find out who owns any given subnet.

Where are all the real geeks around here? You folks can probably explain far better. :-)

-- Anonymous, April 10, 2001

Ok, so curiosity got the better of me and I did a search on Google. For a bit of Ip/DNS/Traceroute fun via the web, go to: www.amnesi.com

They also have a feature that allows you to put in part of a domain name and it will return a list of similar names. Useful if you can only remember part of a url and want to try finding the right one.

Quite easy to use!

-- Anonymous, April 10, 2001

Well you`ve lost me......and there I was thinking I was doing well to remember my new e mail address! (;o)

-- Anonymous, April 11, 2001

That's precisely the problem Gal - some people seem to have difficulty remembering their e-mail address and entering the correct one in the box!

-- Anonymous, April 11, 2001

Clarky - you're not suggesting Gal is a closet Mackem, are you? Surely not. I'd be devastated if it were true (or even True).

-- Anonymous, April 11, 2001

Once logged on to the net you can find your IP address by running the IPCONFIG program ( assuming you are using Windows or NT ). Open up a DOS window and type ipconfig

For more detailed information you can do ipconfig /all

HTH

-- Anonymous, April 11, 2001

Screacher....how could you even think such a thing! (;o)

-- Anonymous, April 11, 2001

What Screach, our very own Cyberplank? Never crossed my mind - the guilty will know who they are.

-- Anonymous, April 11, 2001

What, me? I won't utter another word on this BBS.

-- Anonymous, April 11, 2001

Oh, go on then. If you insist.

-- Anonymous, April 11, 2001

You're one of the 'untouchables', Screacher - at least, that's what I've heard!

-- Anonymous, April 11, 2001

Dos ? Isn't that what people had on their Commodore Amigas? How do I open a dos window?

-- Anonymous, April 12, 2001

Rik - you should have something called MS-DOS prompt on your start menu. If not go Start...Run and type in the word "command".

-- Anonymous, April 12, 2001

Gal i think you and I should go to the bottom of the class for non- contribution on this thread . Anyway i used to think the Lurkers were a canny band in their day .

-- Anonymous, April 18, 2001

Teehee!..........my excuse is that I was a late starter! What`s yours Sting? (;o)

-- Anonymous, April 19, 2001