I was watching the learning channel the other night, and they said some people in Quebec were using a smartcard instead of cash to buy and pay their bills. It is biometric Identification. The card is suppose to have a mini computer memory chip on it. They said it has been used by some for awhile now. Is this true? Anyone know of this? I am very curious, all answers would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Love in Christ, Judy

-- Judy (allsmile@ctnet.net), March 16, 2001

Answers

If it's what I am thinking of, smart cards have been used in Europe and Canada for some time. The card looks like a credit card but has a tiny microchip in it that can store more information than can the magnetic strip of a credit card. Multiple types of information could eventually go onto the card, ranging from your address to all of your credit card numbers to a physical description of you. It can be used with biometrics, for example, by storing your fingerprint and then, when you purchase something, having a computer compare your real fingerprint with that stored on the chip. I think American Express's new Blue card has one of these chips (not sure though).

I have one at my house in my satellite dish receiver that the receiver reads and rights to whenever I call and change programming.

-- Michael Nuckols (nuckolsm@wildak.net), March 16, 2001.

Awhile ago I read that this is the start of what may perhaps be TOTAL control over people by the "powers that be (world governments)" - they start out by getting the people to us the "smart-card", or something similar. That gives them access to information on everyone's buying habits and financial situation. Then they lead you to believe that it would be so much easier to just put a micro-chip into YOU - into your skin somewhere, perhaps your finger or thumb - and,viola! They know your whereabouts at ALL times. My brother, who has worked for AT&T for decades, told me years ago that they (AT&T) had a micro-chip that could be inserted in the skin of every baby at birth.......where will THAT lead?? And are they already doing it without our knowledge? I don't believe the public is informed of 90% of what is REALLY going on with governments. That's why I haven't had a TV for about 20 years. In my opinion there's a lot of brainwashing going on without people being aware of how they're manipulated through the various media. Sick, ignorant people are lots easier to control.

-- Bonnie (chilton@stateline-isp.com), March 16, 2001.

Somewhere, don't remember where, they're using in skin chips for all purposes, testing the waters. Something like the chips implanted in animals. Read the books of Revelation and Daniel, if you want to keep track of what's going on and what will happen. Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Impe, Grant Jeffrey are experts on the subject, you might read or watch some of their reports/books.

-- Cindy (SE In) (atilrthehony_1@yahoo.com), March 16, 2001.

Mark of the Beast perhaps? Scarey but like Cindy said above, read the scriptures, it's all in there, especially Revelation. First credit cards, then debit cards, then smart card, then they will be implanted on our bodies. That frog didn't know that water was slowly starting to boil, did he? Also heard something recently that new cars will be implanted with a chip so we will be tracked in our comings and goings. Come quickly Lord Jesus!

-- bwilliams (bjconthefarm@yahoo.com), March 16, 2001.

Ho boy! I JUST love this type of subjects!

-- john hill (john@cnd.co.nz), March 16, 2001.

II Peter 3:3-4 "Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, and saying, Where is the Promise of His Coming"

-- bwilliams (bjconthefarm@yahoo.com), March 16, 2001.

The "security" of these Smart card systems is not as fool-proof as once hoped. In France, they broke the code fairly quickly. It will be coming, but probably not as quickly as first thought. There are pros and cons I know. But having your entire medical history on a card that a doctor/hospital can have at a moments notice is a quantum leap over some silly braclet.

We won't have to worry about these things being "forced" upon us until all the guns have been confiscated. Long live the 2nd Amendment!

Rickstir

-- Rick Powell (rpowell@email.ccis.edu), March 16, 2001.

bwilliams, not only tracking chips, but if you look at the streets/roads, you find octagonal shaped cuts, there's supposed to be gadgets there that will stop the newer cars instantly. And don't forget those cameras at intersections. More people should get those Kent Hovind tapes Doreen was offereing. Fascinating stuff, but scarey. And then there's the Left Behind series.

-- Cindy (SE In) (atilrthehony_1@yahoo.com), March 16, 2001.

There's a slot on my WebTV that says, 'smartcard,' but they have yet to add what it's supposed to be used for.

-- ~Rogo (rogo2020@yahoo.com), March 16, 2001.

Hey Rogo...I have a Smart Card that came with my webtv plus system and I use it quite often. It has many more web sites on it and also voice instructions for web dummies like me!! That's the only smart card I know of.

-- Marcia (HrMr@webtv.net), March 16, 2001.

In the early 1990's there was an experiment at a university near Atlant georiga, forgot exactly where, but the experiment was to cut down on abuse of cards. so what they did was tatoo a number and a chip in the back of the hand to use and it was scanned by a light at the cash register. All their pertinant information was contained on it and everything you would need to know. I say its only a matter of time. i like the idea of using money and not plastic. Its so weird nowdays that folks look at you weird if you say cash instead of charge, its almost an inconvience to them. Its interesting the direction we are headed in, won't be long and you can find anything out.

-- Bernice (geminigoats@yahoo.com), March 16, 2001.

== Hey Rogo...I have a Smart Card that came with my webtv plus system and I use it quite often. It has many more web sites on it and also voice instructions for web dummies like me!! That's the only smart card I know of. ==

Hmmmm, I have had the Plus for 3 years. Must look into that, Marcia! MORE websites? How, when we have the entire web before us!! If it's on the web, I can pull it up!

-- ~Rogo (rogo2020@yahoo.com), March 17, 2001.

Hey Judy, I watched that program too and it was a real eye opener, BUT... It is all in the Bible and since i personally know you,i know you read your Bible continually and study it throughly. We both believe this smart card deal is a sure sign of JESUS soon return,and not as the left behind series tells but... as the LORD our GOD says in scripture. Matthew 23:29 says it all He will come AFTER the GREAT TRIBULATION and then and only then will we (Christians) see him in the sky for all eyes to see,but until then don't worry we will be protected by the seal of GOD through the tribulation. I believe this is just a way for our government to try and take over starting with what most people treasure most "That Almighty Dollar" Satin works hard to detur our minds and IF... we let him he will get the best of it, So... don't worry If the smartcard does come into effect,it's just proof for all those NON Believers to be sucked in. I personally will Not have one,but i guess this may just be my opinion. Like they say it's like buttholes EVERYBODY has one.Some will agree and some won't, But my choice is to NOT have one. In His Name Love ya P.E.

-- Paula (guesswho@aol.com), March 17, 2001.

Pre-Mid-Post tribulation, doesn't really matter, what matters is your relationship with Jesus. The other makes for interesting discussion, books, movies etc. There's lots of subtle stuff happening that is conditioning(brainwashing) us for the really horrible stuff that's coming. "Like lambs to the slaughter"(btw, that's a good book don't remember the author, might be Johanna ?). The worst of which, it seems, is manipulating people into thinking that they can't think for themselves.

-- Cindy (SE In) (atilrthehony_1@yahoo.com), March 18, 2001.

Lordy, Lordy read your bible...

In my neck of the woods that would be pronounced "BABBLE"...

It is a perfect escape from reality, and there are over 200 versions and translations, so you can shop around until you find one that suits you...

Never mind the subject just BABBLE, BABBLE, BABBLE, and when all else fails (and it will) Babble....

-- Ed Copp (OH) (edcopp@yahoo.com), March 18, 2001.

Lord, I pray for those who do not believe the BIBLE is your word. May they see the truth before it is too late. I do not want to see anyone perish in hell forever and forever.

-- bwilliams (bjconthefarm@yahoo.com), March 18, 2001.

hahahahahaha....thanks Ed, this was getting way too serious for me.

-- jz (oz49us@yahoo.com), March 18, 2001.

Well, it's kind of a serious subject. Whether you believe the Bible or you don't, if you appreciate even the paltry amount of privacy we still have you should pay attention to all of this consolidation of information and biometric technology advancements. Aside from the fact that it might make you believe the Bible, it should open your eyes a tinsy winsy bit to the FACT that you are not anything more than a resource to the current system.

Personally, you will have to kill me to put a chip in me, you will have to arrest me and incarcerate me to get a digital fingerprint or retinal scan. I will not go willingly. It's all about control, folks. In our little burg we have a digital thumbprint scanner at the grocery store. In NY state they are scanning thumbprints on children to check out library books and to pay for school lunches.NJ now has biometrics linked to the strip on the driver's license. Texas does digital thumbscanning. They don't trust us to keep track of our own finances anymore. It's no hoax, it's about control of YOU and a cashless society where everything you do is monitored to keep the slaves nice and docile. Go ahead and laugh if you want to, but at least try to research it a little bit.

I haven't been able to thouroughly check this out, but reportedly at a Florida base of some branch of the military they have instituted a card for the service people that is actually called a "mark" card and they have direct deposit and all that happy stuff. Perhaps one of the military folks here would have a better idea about where to start looking for information on this rumor?

-- Doreen (animalwaitress@excite.com), March 18, 2001.

And to think, people actually believe it's good for all of us.....don't rock the boat.....we must do what's good for the world.....don't think outside the box.....don't believe what's right there in front of you eyes.....just because it's worked for all these thousands of years doesn't, mean that "we" don't know better.....let's add a little more chemicals to your water and food, cause we know it'll make it better-haha......Let's spend all that money on make up so we can all look natural.....Let's let the factories pollute and blame on woodburning stoves.....let's eat fake food instead of the real stuff.....Let's make plastic bottles so we can complain about recycling.....let's make people think they can't think for themselves so we can control their kids.....Let's put more sugar in kids food so we can make money on ridlin (or whatever's popular).....let's let the advertizers and insurance company rule our lives... and the list goes on and on. So why is it that all these people who think they have control have no control over they're own lives and why if they want control over the population don't be the first to volunteer to make room on the earth.

-- Cindy (SE In) (atilrthehony_1@yahoo.com), March 19, 2001.

Bernice, there IS a device to implant into your hand, or wherever. It's called "Digital Angel". Here's an excerpt from their web site (www.digitalangel.com): (By the way, I am normally very skeptical of conspiracy theories, and I am not exactly known as a bible thumper (not hardly!), but I do think it's pretty strange that almost all the Uniform Price Code doodaddies have 666 as a common denominator...I've been concerned about all this electronic money exchanging ever since I saw my first UPC scanner. I envision a day when you'll pull up to a gas pump, try to get gas, and have the pump flash "type in your destination". Or any other number of scary things along those same lines. How about "Sorry, our records show that you can't buy gas (or whatever) for a while, because of the non PC statement you made in your letter to the editor"

Applied Digital Solutions has developed a new technology that we believe will revolutionize E-Business security, emergency location and medical monitoring and commodities supply chain management (food safety). That technology has been named Digital Angel™.

ADS is actively seeking joint venture partners to develop and market this technology. We expect to produce a prototype of the device by the end of 2000. We believe the potential global market for this device – in all of its applications – could exceed $100 billion.

Basic Features of Digital Angel™

The idea behind the initial version of Digital Angel™ is to build a microchip that can be worn close to the body. This microchip will include biosensors that will measure the biological parameters of the body and store this information.

It will also have an antenna that will receive signals from GPS satellites. The geographic location of the chip can be derived from these signals. The antenna also communicates with ground stations. It will receive commands from the stations and will send the biological information and location data to the ground station. This could take the form of a distress signal sent to a monitoring facility when the unit detects a medical emergency.

The chip will be equipped with a micro battery. This battery will be self-rechargeable taking energy from the body or from its surroundings. All these components will be combined into a unit the size of a dime.

Digital Angel™ will remain dormant most of the time. It will only be activated by the wearer or by commands from the ground station. The purpose is to save battery energy and to avoid interference with other devices, such as medical equipment or airplanes.

The unit can be turned off by the wearer, thereby making the monitoring voluntary. It will not intrude on personal privacy except in applications applied to the tracking of criminals.

Digital Angel™ measures bodily parameters. It does not interact with the body chemically or biologically. Designed to be completely harmless, Digital Angel will not interfere with bodily functions in any way.

-- jumpoff joe (jumpoff@ecoweb.net), March 19, 2001.

Paula, thanks so much for your enlightening opinion. I don't understand though, why you said, "Like they say it's like buttholes EVERYBODY has one.Some will agree and some won't, But my choice is to NOT have one. "

It's up to you, of course, but I choose to KEEP my butthole. It's come in handy for shitting and farting, among other things.

Cindy, I think that you'll find that the majority of us sheeple will RUSH to get implanted with our Digital Angel chip. After all, we're so scared of all the drug dealers, robbers, and tax evaders, that we'll give up our freedom for the false sense of security that this type of system provides. For instance, if there were no money, and all transactions went through a central computer of some sort, why, no one could cheat on his taxes. And if there were a record of all transactions, and no money, why, you wouldn't be reading about all those terrible drug dealers with their bags of hundred dollar bills And if there were no money, why,no one would bother stealing your purse.

Of course, victims of theft would be easily identifiable by having only one hand, or no hands at all, if they'd been robbed twice...

JOJ

-- jumpoff joe (jumpoff@ecoweb.net), March 19, 2001.

Joe, I'd like to check out the digital angel site but cant with the address you posted for them. Would you please repost? Thanks, Julie

-- Julie (julieamc@excite.com), March 19, 2001.

Julie, the url is http://www.digitalangel.net/ Sorry, I got there by linking off of a search from www.google.com, and misremembered the url. Hope this helps. By the way, I didn't have time to read them, but there are other sites if you do the search. One of them is a fox news story called "Digital Angel, the new Eye in the Sky", and can be found at:

http://www.foxnews.com/vtech/101600/da.sml

JOJ

-- jumpoff joe (jumpoff@ecoweb.net), March 20, 2001.

bwilliams, there already is a system to track your travels, it is called on star or something like that. They have it in cars , the one you call when you get lost or have a accident. Now I am not sure of this but I heard they have been putting a chip in TV's that will be used to monitor people in their homes. The one for the hook-up so you can see each other when you talk. And of course you know of the satilite that can see where everyone is from out in space. There was a posting on this forum where you can get a good look yourself.

-- lexi Green (whitestone11@hotmail.com), March 20, 2001.

Pentagon Launches Smart-Card ID Badge

Source: Reuters
Published: 10/11/00 Author: n/a

Pentagon Launches 'Smart Card' ID Badge

By Jim Wolf
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Defense Department rolled out Tuesday a high-tech ID badge designed to control access to its buildings and computer networks as a prelude to a wider data-storage role.

ActivCard (NasdaqNM:ACTI - news), a Fremont, Ca., company founded in France, said its software would be the foundation for issuing 4.3 million $8 badges to department personnel worldwide.

The new ID is based on ``smart card'' technology that stores and processes information on a microprocessor chip -- a kind of passport to the electronic world.

Among the add-on functions being mulled are processing food service charges in military mess halls and updating data required before deployment, Pentagon (news - web sites) officials said.

Local commands are looking at putting individual medical and dental information on the card along with details on training and rifle range performance, officials told a news briefing.

``We're very excited about the seemingly limitless possibilities of smart card technology,'' said Bernard Rostker, under secretary of defense for personnel and readiness. ``We believe it will revolutionize the way we conduct business.''

Dubbed a ``common access card,'' the new badge is slightly larger than an average credit card and features a magnetic strip and two bar codes, chiefly for building and base access.

The target date for completion of the initial issuance is the end of September 2002.

It will be the standard ID for about four million people, including active duty military, selected reserve forces, civilian employees of the Pentagon and eligible contractors, the Pentagon said.

The card complies with identification rules in the Geneva Convention for the Uniformed Services. It displays name, rank and social security number, used for decades for identification in the U.S. military, as well as a photograph.

Thanks to a stored ``certificate,'' the cardholder will be able to sign digitally such things as e-mail and deployment orders. The technology will encrypt information and make Defense Department computer networks more secure, officials said.

Privacy Concerns

Paul Brubaker, the Pentagon's deputy chief information officer, said the card was expected to enhance privacy in the Defense Department ``as paper-based systems are replaced by computer-based systems.''

But privacy advocates voiced fears that the Pentagon, in fielding what will be one of the world's biggest deployments of digital identity for network computing, could be laying the ground work for the introduction of national ID cards in the United States.

``The military is frequently used as guinea pigs for proposals that would be too controversial to try among civilians,'' said David Banisar, a Washington lawyer and senior fellow at the Electronic Privacy Information Center, a non-profit group that monitors civil rights and high technology. He cited fingerprint and DNA databases as well as expanded use of social security numbers as a personal identifier.

``Ultimately, the danger is that people could be routinely tracked,'' he said. ``Their records could be routinely used for purposes other than those originally intended.''

Smart card technology is not entirely new to the Defense Department. Evaluations have been carried out since 1993.

``The results have clearly shown that, when coupled with business process re-engineering, these technologies save time, free money for use on other requirements, improve the quality of life of our people and enhance our mission capability,'' Brubaker said.

Mary Dixon, director of the department's access card office, said ActivCard was tapped for its role in issuing the cards because of its Java 2.1 architecture, a new global standard for ``open'' computing.

``This award, another validation of our technology's use and widespread applicability, is only the tip of the iceberg for us,'' Jean-Gerard Galvez, ActivCard's chief executive said in a statement.

It is important to note that this is not just an American phenomenon...

Students offered smartcard lure at 16

Source: Electronic Telegraph (UK)
Published: 29 September 1999 Author: Jon Hibbs, Political Correspondent

STUDENTS at school or college after 16 will be eligible for a smartcard next year giving cut-price deals on goods and services ranging from books to buses. The scheme will effectively become an identity card, recording their attendance at college and validating their entitlement to the £40 weekly maintenance allowances which will be paid to the poorest. Tony Blair gave the go-ahead yesterday to trials of a nationwide incentive designed to increase the numbers of teenagers in further education or training.

Setting the Government a target of half of all young adults in higher education in the next century, he said the smartcard would reward 16 to 18-year-old students with cheaper deals in shops, theatres, cinemas and transport. Mr Blair asked the Labour conference: "Why, if education is the key to success, do we allow so many children to leave school at 16 when we should be doing all we can to get them to stay on?"

The smartcard is modelled on the discount scheme run by the National Union of Students for universities and higher education colleges and intended to compensate students for the loss of child discounts after 16. BT, W H Smith, National Express Coaches, the British School of Motoring, the Odeon cinema chain and Letts study aids have agreed to join the scheme.

Different types of deals will start next month in Nottingham, Leeds, Tyneside, Northumberland, Durham, Humberside, Bradford and Essex. Ministers hope that local bus companies will join, to provide cheap transport to and from college.

David Blunkett, the Education and Employment Secretary, said the Youth Card would build on the Learning Card, issued to all in the final year of compulsory education with advice about careers and further education opportunities.

He said: "It would be an electronic key to personal information, it would be used for enrolment and attendance monitoring, it would validate the payment of educational maintenance allowances, and it would offer a range of discounts."

Officials believe that magnetic strip technology could also hold information about qualifications, work experience and sporting or cultural achievements, making the card an electronic CV. About 43 per cent go on to university-level education by the age of 30, well short of the proportion in America and Germany, although Scotland already exceeds Mr Blair's target of 50 per cent.

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-- William in Wi (gnarledmaw@lycos.com), March 21, 2001.

Source: World Net Daily
Published: 02/14/00 Author: Joseph Farah

Meet the 'Digital Angel' -- from Hell

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'Twas Lord Byron who said it first, I believe: "'Tis strange but true; for truth is always strange; Stranger than fiction." In the 21st century, I'm certain we will find that truth is even stranger than science fiction.

You had better sit down for this one, privacy fans. A company called Applied Digital Solutions has what sounds to me like the final solution. The NASDAQ-traded high-tech company is excited about its acquisition of the patent rights to a miniature digital transceiver -- which it nicknamed "Digital Angel (R)." Personally, I think it should be rated X -- or worse.

The product is billed as a versatile transceiver that can send and receive data -- and which can be implanted in humans.

It can provide a tamper-proof means of identification for enhanced business security, the company boasts. It can locate lost or missing individuals, say the proud owners. It can track and locate valuable property, they claim. It can monitor the medical conditions of at- risk patients. And it can slice, dice and destroy the last vestiges of personal privacy in an increasingly impersonal world.

The implantable transceiver's signals can be tracked continuously by global positioning satellites. When implanted in the body, the device is powered electromagnetically through the movement of muscles, and it can be activated either by the wearer or by the monitoring facility.

"While a number of other tracking and monitoring technologies have been patented and marketed in the past, they are all unsuitable for the widespread tracking, recovery and identification of people due to a variety of limitations, including unwieldy size, maintenance requirements, insufficient or inconvenient power-supply and activation difficulties," explains a company prospectus. "For the first time in the history of location and monitoring technology, Digital Angel(R) overcomes these limitations."

Oh, goody.

The company projects a global market for this technology in excess of $100 billion.

But the applications it discusses just don't add up to that kind of number. The math doesn't work for me. You decide. Here's what the company is talking about: business security, locating individuals, monitoring medical conditions, tracking and locating essential military and diplomatic personnel, tracking personal property.

The only way that adds up to a hundred billion in my calculator is if every human being on earth gets one of these implants. And maybe that's the idea.

On Jan. 31, APS accepted the special "Technology Pioneers" award from the World Economic Forum for the company's contributions to worldwide economic development and social progress through technology advancements.

And what is the World Economic Forum? It bills itself as an independent organization committed to improving the state of the world. It does this by "creating the foremost global partnerships of business, political, intellectual and other leaders of society to define and discuss key issues on the global agenda."

Now, I want you to use your imagination here, for a moment. Why would an organization committed to breaking down nationalist barriers and moving the world toward global government give a technology award to a company that just acquired the patent to a sophisticated, implantable identification device? Hmmmmm? And guess what one of the foremost goals of WEF is? You got it -- vaccinating every human being on the planet. How convenient! What a coincidence.

President Clinton recently addressed the WEF in Davos, Switzerland. He boasted about asking the Congress to give pharmaceutical conglomerates tax credits to make vaccines more widely available at low cost. He appealed for a similar effort from the World Bank, other nations and the corporate world to deliver the vaccines to the people who need them -- meaning everyone.

How could ADS ever hope to make $100 billion with this new technology? By implanting it in every human being in the world. And how could that be done? At vaccination time, of course.

Let's see now. The application is buying and selling. The technology is implantable. The plans are global.

This sounds remarkably like something I read in Revelation 16- 18: "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

Digital Angel? Sounds more like we could be entering the age of the Digital Devil.

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-- William in Wi (gnarledmaw@lycos.com), March 21, 2001.

Thanks, William. I am happy now...ha. I KNEW ther was a military program, but I missed the UK one. I also knew about the Applied/WEF connection, but didn't have an article on it and figured it was too much for most people to accept. But you get GREAT deals, they cry as they run to be implanted....no thanks.

-- Doreen (animalwaitress@excite.com), March 21, 2001.