Batteries for M5 & CL

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What are people doing for batteries for the M5 and CL these days? I don't want to use alkaline batteries.

-- mark ackermann (mramra@qwest.net), March 10, 2001

Answers

You can try here: batteries My source here in the US has taken down his web page--oh well. Another option seems to be the converters available from various sources that allow the use of a common silver cell.

-- Andrew Schank (aschank@flash.net), March 11, 2001.

Batteries Try that one more time.

-- Andrew Schank (aschank@flash.net), March 11, 2001.

The MR9 and S76 silver oxide battery setup worked great in my CL. See http://www.criscam.com/ for details on the MR-9.

Godfrey

-- Godfrey DiGiorgi (ramarren@bayarea.net), March 11, 2001.


Here is an answer from the Leica-Users list (posted with permission):

from Jem Kime http://www.lpp.org.uk

'MERCURY FALLING'

Mercury PX625 PX13- 1.35 V are no longer allowed to be produced in the US or Europe. Those were the only countries with plants outside Asia. The last plant producing mercury cells was Varta in Ellwangen Germany. They were ceasing production in December 1999. The only place where their might still be production is China, but no-one there can find anything out about such production.

Alkaline PX625 1.5 V batteries are currently produced and available. The increased voltage can cause your meter to read incorrectly, but as long as the voltage in consistent, this can be accomplished by changing the ISO, or by a repair facility. Regardless, alkaline chemistry has a different discharge curve, meaning as the battery ages - its voltage is reduced.The mercury puts out 1.35 for a long period, but as it begins to die the voltage drops suddenly. Alkaline batteries put out 1.5 v then it declines through 1.35 and finally dies. There is no indication that your battery is putting out, say, 1.2v and thus your meter is giving you a poor reading. So a meter on alkaline properly adjusted, will be fine, as long as your batteries are fresh. The level to which the batteries voltage drop will affect your transparencies exposure is up to your level of tolerance.

Two common alternatives are the CRIS adapter and the Wein cell.

The MR9 'C.R.I.S.' adapter uses AgO2 (Silver Oxide) batteries and their discharge is somewhat similar to the mercury. The sleeve accepts a common 'Silver 76' battery and adjusts the output to the correct level through built in circuitry. The size is slightly taller than the old PX625 so your battery cover might live a little more proud than it used to. The cost is $30 and delivery from the US is not a problem.

http://www.criscam.com/mr9b.htm

The Wein cell is an adapted ZnAir cells, the equivalent for the PX625 is designated the MRB625. These cells were developed by Stan Weinberg and Bob Shell (editor of 'Shutterbug' magazine in the USA). They're manufactured in China for WEIN Products of Los Angeles and marketed by the Saunders Group in Rochester, NY., available here in Jessops and other stores, around a fiver a drop. They're supposedly the closest match for mercury having a voltage of 1.4V and a very similar discharge curve but with rumours of short life - up to 2 months. The battery also takes 30 minutes to arrive at operating voltage once the tab has been peeled off. If you buy this cell, when the battery dies, pop it out of the adapter, and put in a new ZnAir "76" cell. They don't last long once you open them, but they are quite inexpensive.

LEICA'S RESPONSE AND ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE

A couple of weeks ago I e-mailed Leica info service on the mercury battery problem for my SL and CL. Their response was some kind of standard letter, recommending the zinc-air button. In addition Leica service has bought some stock of mercury batteries which is expected to last for two years from now (but they did not quote their price). They did not mention the CRIS adapter at all.

Particular in bigger German stores, the mercury buttons are now difficult to find and their zinc-air replacements seem to be totally unavailable in 625 size, now I search small shops for old stock of mercury cells. Last week I stepped into a special shop for hearing aids. The owner understood my problem well and even said that mercury is better for hearing aids, too. But he had no mercury and no zinc-air cells in 625 size. At the end he gave me little "six-pack" of PX675HP 1.4V mercury buttons. He did not want money. The weird story behind it is that (a) he is not allowed by law to sell mercury cells, that (b) a photo dealer next door sold them to me for money, and (c) that on the other hand some of his clients (war veterans etc.) still get mercury cells for their hearing aids free of charge from the German government who seems of have a large stock.

I found that the smaller PX675HP 1.4V works well in both my Leica SL and Rollei 35 which both have a metal screw-in cover for the battery compartment. Despite the 0.05V difference to the PX625 the light meters are spot on. Unfortunately the small 675 cells do make proper contact in my Leica CL or my Yashicamat 124G.

STORAGE ADVICE FROM VARTA

In response to your inquiry concerning optimal storage of the mercury cell V 625 PX, the electrochemical self discharge in primary batteries is considerably low. For mercury cells the self-discharge is between 2% and 3% per year at room temperature. Under optimal storage conditions, such as a refrigerator, the self-discharge rate will be slightly slower. A range of 0?C to 10?C is a good temperature for storing batteries. To prevent oxidation it is recommended to store the batteries vacuum-packed, but do not store them in the freezing compartment, as inner structures of the cell would be destroyed upon thawing.

http://www.varta.com/

N.B. The web site information should be read with caution, as it suggests inserting an 'AA' battery into a Leicaflex SL. One would need either a large hammer or no brain cells to contemplate this...

HOW ABOUT RECHARGING?

These old 1.35v mercury batteries can generally be recharged, so if you've got a stash of the things, it now makes sense to do so for practical, environmental and economic reasons. And those (silver?) EXP76 as used in the Leica M6 and just about everywhere else - those recharge beautifully too.

I had forgotten to turn the M6 shutter speed dial back to "B" and ran the batteries down to the point that the meter no longer worked. I recharged them in my solar button cell charger and got another 8 months of use from the things until I made the same mistake again. And again. I can't say exactly how many recharges these batteries will take as I'm still using the same set. If anyone wants info on those button cell chargers, it's item #BC300 near the bottom of the page at:

http://www.jademountain.com/energyProducts/battery/smallcharger.html

It's very simple and tiny--it hangs in your window and charges one button cell at a time. I may get 3-4 hours of direct sunlight at my house, and typically charge a depleted EPX76 for around 4 days or until open-circuit voltage is near 1.56V, same as a new one. Though great for silver cells, it was especially designed for mercury cells. It's made in Colorado, and to the best of my knowledge, there are no alternatives on the market. Shipping overseas will be a bit higher than shown on the web order form, but it should still be pretty reasonable since it's so small and lightweight.

CONCLUSION

In summary, the two straightforward routes are either buying the MR9 adapter from CRIS (for PX625 use) or buying the zinc air cells ready made from Wein. The recharging idea sounds emminently sensible too. First thing though is to ensure that present supply of available mercury batteries is used up. For more information useful sites are:

http://acecam.com/magazine/battery2.html

http://www.photobattery.com/index.html

from Jem Kime http://www.lpp.org.uk

Cheers,



-- John Collier (jbcollier@home.com), March 11, 2001.


Cripes. I have a different solution: buy an old Weston Master IV or V silenium handheld meter and shoot mechanically. It's hardly worth the hassle anymore, and you'll learn a heck of a lot more about exposing film.

-- Ken Shipman (kennyshipman@aol.com), March 11, 2001.


The MR9 works very well. The Wein cells in my opinion are pretty useless unless in an emergency as they last such a short time. Using a Weston Master meter (if you can find a working one) seems overkill with a CL when the meter would be almost the same size as the camera.

-- Robin Smith (smith_robin@hotmail.com), March 12, 2001.

A standard MS76/SR44 silver-oxide battery as for the M6 works better than an alkaline due to the flat discharge curve. The MS76 is smaller in diameter than the PX625 but once the battery cover is screwed down the spring tension will hold it in place on the M5. With the CL, use the adaptor washer found on the Wein cells. Buy and use one Wein cell and when it dies (quickly!) save the washer to use with MS76's. The MS76 will put out too much voltage and the reading will be inaccurate unless you adjust the ASA to compensate. Just take a reading off a blank wall with another camera or meter you trust, compare, and alter the CL/M5 film speed that many stops from then on. Whenever you have the camera CLA'd, ask to have it recalibrated for Alkalines (they put out the same voltage as the MS76) and you won't need to trick the ASA dial any more.

-- Jay (infinitydt@aol.com), March 12, 2001.

Herte are some real mercury cells for sale for $6.00 each. I suggest you grab a few while you can!Mercury cells for sale

-- Andrew Schank (aschank@flash.net), March 12, 2001.

I also found out they are now making silver PX27 cells (for some Rollei 35 and Minox 35) and plan to come out with a silver PX13/625 cell soon. See, it just took awhile but we will still be able to use our old meters. Hopefully we won't be having a similar discusion 10 - 15 years from now on how to find decent film for our "old cameras".

-- Andrew Schank (aschank@flash.net), March 12, 2001.

John

Your info on jademountain battery charger is very useful.

I have stocked up mercury 5.6 V PX27 batteries, which may be already out of production. A charger will be handy Which charger is suitable for charging PX27 ( which is made up of 4 mercury button cells stacked up). The 12 v Omnicharger ?

-- martin tai (martin.tai@capcanada.com), March 17, 2001.



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