According to nufc.com we have signed Wayne Quinn for apparantly something around 800k.

Personally i think it's an ideal short term solution. Nice that he is english by the way. Reactions?

-- Anonymous, February 12, 2001

Answers

:-)

-- Anonymous, February 12, 2001

Without wishing to sound unfair or prejudgemental - he was by far the worst player on the pitch yesterday. I won't judge him on one game though.

-- Anonymous, February 12, 2001

Agree that Quinn wasn't good yesterday but to say he was the worst was a little unfair, especially as Barton and Marcelino turned in dreadful performances. I don't think Marcelino won a header at the back all day, and guess what? Whenever we got a corner it was aimed for him!!!!! The only players who could escape criticism in my book are Given, Gallacher and Ameobi who did his best with no support whatsoever.

-- Anonymous, February 12, 2001

on yesterdays evidence, any more english bargains like this and we'll be in the NW league in 2 years.

telling that we can't find any words other than "english" "bargain" and "short term" to describe him.

-- Anonymous, February 12, 2001

'by far the worst player'

Me thinks the right back had a far poorer game than the left back. And he might have been our captain.

-- Anonymous, February 12, 2001

I believe it's £750 k plus £250k appearance money which is OK for a squad player. I believe that after the transfer system is decided on Friday, Newcastle will actively seek world class players for not just left back but for many positions in the team. I don't begrudge Quinn signing as I think he's a dam sight better than his predicassor Domi, but he has to be thought of as back up fopr the top International left back that we don't as yet have.

-- Anonymous, February 12, 2001

Decent signing, I hope. But he still needs a left winger to link up with.

-- Anonymous, February 12, 2001

"I thought at Newcastle that people would move off the ball when taking a throw in, but against Charlton I spent half the match with this same expression, hmmpphh"

-- Anonymous, February 13, 2001

So you also saw that bit where he was looking thoroughly frustrated cause no one would get into position when he was trying to take a throw in. It was Harper having to physically yank the wall into position (against Leeds) all over again. Supposedly he hasn't officially signed, still has to discuss personal terms. That may include the club supplying hearing aids for his team mates. ;-)

-- Anonymous, February 13, 2001

It happened on more than one occasion!!

-- Anonymous, February 13, 2001

Must have had my head in my hands by then. ;-)

-- Anonymous, February 13, 2001

I must have been dozing off half the time- most times I saw Quinn with the ball he was pinging in nice balls with his left foot. Admittedly he wasnt far enough up the pitch to get them across the face of goal but he certainly has great potential in terms of crossing. Pity he wasnt just a bit faster though. Defo a good signing- Bobby can work on his defensive duties while he adds quality passing/crossing from the left.

-- Anonymous, February 13, 2001

Last night, I tried to do some web searches to dig up any opinion/info about Quinn. Not much out there but some write up on a Blades fanzine site saying he's played pretty much all over the place, but seemed to have found his niche at left wing back. Said he does enjoy getting forward and managed a fair number of assists from his crosses. If we can get the rest of the team used to having someone useful on the left side, maybe he'll start getting the support he needs to shine. I did notice hesitation on his part to move forward/back at times on Sunday. Seemed more like he just didn't know where he should go because all around him were headless. Not absolving him of criticism in that I'd have preferred he'd just done something, but I'll still give him benefit of the doubt for now.

-- Anonymous, February 13, 2001

Quinn would probably look great playing behind a good left winger who can create space for Quinn to overlap onto and ping the crosses in.

Sadly we have no left winger and the left back has always been charged with the sole attacking responsibility down the left flank. Quinn is not the type of player Domi was in terms of pace but his crossing looks better, combine the two and we have an excellent left winger!! Strangly enough!

-- Anonymous, February 13, 2001

By his own admission. he can't defend.

-- Anonymous, February 13, 2001

Hang on a minute lads and lases, we go on about only signing quality players, then we sign Wayne Quinn for £750k. Hardly a Roberto Carlos is he?

-- Anonymous, February 13, 2001

Robson has labelled him "not a bad player" which sounds like a squad player to me, with plenty to work on.

What about Carl Serrant!?;0)

-- Anonymous, February 13, 2001

...so he should fit in well with wor back fower then.

-- Anonymous, February 13, 2001

What I've read on Quinn has said that he isn't really a FB, but a wing back, as he isn't strong enough defensively - ie. Domi MkII (!)

This begs the fairly obvious question of if we intend to play with a back four, why have we signed a LWB? I also wonder if is fast enough for a WB in the PL?

I still keep coming back to thinking BR intends playing with a back three - this is the only way I can see him playing what he has confessed to wanting, with AS & CC up front and not-so-YKD behind them, viz:

Goaly

Hughes........Caldwell........Dabz

RWB (Griffin?)...................................Quinn

Bassedas........Acuna.........Speed

YKD

AS.........CC

The midfield looks hopelessly weak to me, and it also raises the question of who would play RWB - surely not Solano? To complicate things further, Griffin is a RB not a RWB - better defensively than going forward - although I'd rather he played there than either Solano or Barton.

Seems to me we'd be better off starting all over again!

-- Anonymous, February 13, 2001

I can see your point Clarky. If we were going to play that formation, I'd be tempted to have Nobs in for Bassedas - at least until Bass strikes some form. He's done nowt so far. I'd have Griff as RWB with Nobby ahead. But centre MF is pretty week we need a battler.

-- Anonymous, February 13, 2001

Screacher,

This is what we discussed at the Riverside. Just try it - try drawing up a team with a back four, and AS/CC up-front supported by NSYKD "in 't 'ole".

If we play with two big guys up front we must have width: if you play two wide men you are left with only one player in central m/f. It just doesn't work - unless you either play on wide m/f player, presumably Solano, and stick with the unbalanced formation we've had for two seasons now - or go to three at the back plus two WB's who's job is to provide crosses for the big guys.

My personal view is that we cannot play with two big target men, and that NSYKD has to support only one of them in the Beardsley role. I've come to believe that that is his only viable role in the team, as he simply isn't strong enough to play in m/f. You could then play 4-4-2 with two wide m/f players and two in central m/f.

Make any sense?

-- Anonymous, February 13, 2001

Yeah - as I said at The Rivorside, I know where you're coming from. So, does YBR have an alternative plan then to play AS and CC up front together? Will he start to rotate AS? Will he move AS deeper into MF as his career heads towards its twilight?

Actually, I believe 4-42 is a more dependable formation. Occasionally, when hit with a 5 man MF, we may need to adaptlest we lose out numerically where the action is. But for most games, 4-4-2 is more suitable. Most of the successful teams play that way. ManUre have that formation, just that they have 6 players on the oitch capable of playing in MF anf 6 up front (slight exageration, but you get my drift). Above all, they have fluidity - something we lack (along with most other EPL teams).

Maybe all will become clear when AS and CC are fit together - don;t hold your breth bonny lad!

-- Anonymous, February 13, 2001

I'd love to see us play with clarky's formation above. Purely for the fact that we'd have 12 players on the pitch. :o)

-- Anonymous, February 13, 2001

Clarky

Keiron Dyer is just turned 22, maybe you don't view that as young any more but I do, and for a footballer. When we signed Peter Beardsley in 1983 he was 8 months older than Dyer is now. It took him 3 years to get a cap, therefore three years to be that good. Beardsley also joined us in a lower division. There can be no comparison of their abilities at 22. Beardsley went on to greatness but Dyer has shown a huge amount more at a comparable age.

-- Anonymous, February 13, 2001

Well that just confirms my point BM - or does it? I think not. I knew I should have taken that FA Coaching & Basic Numeracy course!
Just strike Bassedas - I didn't want to play him anyway.

;-{)

-- Anonymous, February 13, 2001

Divven be so prickly macbeth - I was only jesting man! He's in aal me teams isn't he?
Anyway, it is incontrovertible that he's not as young as he was when we christened him YKD.

;-{)

-- Anonymous, February 13, 2001

The reason Manure get away with the four in midfield is Giggs works his socks off and is a good form of defence. Teams are scared of him hitting them on the break so they don't commit players orward on that flank. We would need Solano to do that job and he isn't up to it. I still believe, firmly, that Kieron Dyer should be stuck on the right wing. At the moment we place so much dependance on him. He's only twenty two. I bet Manure don't expect as much of Giggs and he's four years older with more talent!! Dyer could make himself England's right winger for the next 5-8 years easily and I reckon we'd get more out of him, bringing him into the match in patches as wingers do, not expecting every one of our forward movements to go through him. Solano doesn't defend away from home. Robson has said about Ginola that he needs to be compensated for, well so does Solano but we can't afford to do that. Solution: Buy a decent left winger who can track back and we have a solid midfield with attacking potency.

Goalie

Griffin-Hughes-New Experienced Centre back (Southgate?)-Quinn.

Dyer-Acuna-Bassedas-New Left Winger

Cort-Shearer

Acuna does the donkey work and we finally get to see Bassedas controlling the direction in midfield (what he was bought for) Lets face it the inadequacies of the front players this season has meant we need both Solano and Dyer in the side. Next season I don't think it will be necessary.

-- Anonymous, February 14, 2001

Midfield still looks p*ss weak to me DB - even with Luis Figo on the left wing!

-- Anonymous, February 14, 2001

Mmmm. Lacking a bit of height on reflection. More work than anticipated then!

-- Anonymous, February 14, 2001

Coming back to Quinn - and not meaning to p#ss on anyone's bonfire - but one thing he can never be is a quality wing-back. He's as slow as a carthorse. At best he's a 2nd choice left back who needs to work on his positional sense, heading, distribution, fitness etc. Let's not place an overburden of expectation on a player with a dodgy injury record who was released by Sheff Utd for peanuts eh ?

-- Anonymous, February 14, 2001