... Matthews: So, you're not gonna wait for those newspapers in Florida to get the facts?

Carville: Well he's already ahead. Gore is already ahead right now, with what we know. In Palm Beach County picked up 625 votes, in Lake County he picked up 130 votes. And in one other county, Hillsborough, he picked up 120.

Matthews: What are we counting in terms of ballots down there? What are we counting these days?

Carville: Talking about where somebody put Gore's name in then wrote Gore's name in, and the machine kicked it out. Now argue with me with a straight face. A guy puts a X by Al Gore's name, and writes Al Gore on the write in. The machine kicks the ballot out.

Matthews: Ok. Why is that?

Carville: Because the machine won't take a write in and another thing. Now, who did the guy intend to vote for?

Matthews: Gore.

Carville: Thank you.

Matthews: So the machines were in error?

Carville: Yeah.

Matthews: The machines were read by local democrats who control those counties.

Carville: No, I doubt if local democrats control Lake County. Matthews: Well they control all the targeted counties by democrats. Palm.

Carville: Let's wait and see.

Matthews: Miami-Dade.

Carville: Again, lets wait and see. Were gonna see. Were gonna see [crosstalk]. . Were gonna see that Gore won Florida by a substantial vote.

Matthews: When do ya think?

Carville: Your gonna have to ask your friends at the New York Times. Or at the Washington Post, or at the other one. Not only that, but I'll predict, we're gonna find out as the Florida story unfolds, and there's actually people down there working now... I think we're gonna find out a lot of things. We know that this President lost the popular vote bad. Somebody told me it's up to 700,000 now, did you hear that?

Matthews: Well it's rising, it was up to 580. Let me ask you a question. If Gore won the pop… had Gore won the electoral vote… Carville: He won both. He won Florida.

Matthews: and lost the popular vote, would you give the election to Bush?

Carville: If Gore would ... No. Gore won the electoral. Gore won Florida.

Matthews: Why did you yabber about it now?

Carville: He won Florida.

Matthews: Why did you just shift the attention to the popular vote? We know the election...

Carville: I just said, no, no I'm saying ... he won Florida ... don't you understand? Scalia had stop them from counting because he was getting ready to win. They called up there and said "you gotta do something hoss! We're gettin' ready to lose this thing!" OK. I mean. Do you think any Democrat in the country doesn't know what happened? We all know who won Florida.

Matthews: Let's talk about...

Carville: Wait a minute here [crosstalk]...Let me finish my point here. There's nothing to argue about. Al Gore won Florida. We're just beatin' our gums about nothing.

Matthews: It seems to me that there are two kinds of Democrats in this city, in this city you don't like now all of a sudden.

Carville: I didn't say ...

Matthews: You said Washington lost and all this stuff.

Carville: I said, yes, they lost the fight with Clinton but I still like living here.

Matthews: Let's talk about the Democrats here, in this town. It seems to me that you could easily cut a difference between the Democrats like Teddy and George Miller and other Democrats on the Hill, perhaps Gephardt, who want to deal with this new president.

Carville: They should deal with him.

Matthews: And other Democrats, who simply want...Black Caucus members and yourself...who simply want to protest ad infinitum. When you gonna stop [??] Florida? When are you gonna stop arguing about it?

Carville: Because...

Matthews: When are you gonna stop?

Carville: Let me tell you why...

Matthews: When are you gonna stop?

Carville: It's not your election to stop arguing about.

Matthews: I'm just asking...

Carville: When are you gonna let me answer the question? [crosstalk] Are you gonna let me answer your question?

Matthews: Let me tell you what question it is. James, the question is how long are you people gonna rap about Florida?

Carville: You know what? We're gonna find out the truth. You don't want the truth.

Matthews: No...I...

Carville: Would you please let me answer the question? Would you just let me answer the question and then interrupt when I get through? Cause if you interrupt me again, I'm just gonna stop talking.

Matthews: Ok. And try not to make any accusations while you answer the question.

Carville: Now, do I tell you what questions to ask me?

Matthews: No.

Carville: Then, don't...

Matthews: When are you gonna stop talking about Florida?

Carville: Don't ask me on your show and tell me how to answer the questions. You know what: I'm gonna stop talking about Florida when we know the truth. Because it is not yours . . . Right? And it is not anybody else's right to tell people who worked their hearts out, and when Al Gore won the election, to say we shouldn't know the truth.

Matthews: Right.

Carville: And you know what? I'm not gonna stop talking about it. Because I know he won Florida, you know he won Florida, and the Democrats know he won Florida and all of you people in Florida and around the country that went out there and you worked your hearts out, and you gave money, and you knocked on doors, and you did this, James Carville is gonna keep fightin' for you. And we're gonna find out the truth in Florida and we're gonna find out that Al Gore won by a lot. So no, I'm not gonna stop talking about it, ever.

Matthews: Right. Why did those counties stop counting down there when they were offered a chance by the Florida court to count. Why didn't Miami-Dade count? You had all the opportunity at the local level to count these...

Carville: Hold on a second...the Supreme Court stopped the count.

Matthews: Hmmm.

Carville: The count was going on, because they got word Gore was gonna win. You can't wish the outcome. You can't take a presidential election away from people Chris. That's not your right.

Matthews: Ummm.

Carville: And these people out here that worked their hearts out, you watch in 2002, you watch in 2004.

Matthews: Right.

Carville: These Democrats are not ... they are riled up. As they ought to be riled up. And they're gonna stay riled up. And you know ... Matthews: I know the principle of everybody voting.

Carville: No, you don't. But you don't want to count them. A lot of people voting but you just don't want to count it. I want to count 'em.

-- Carville Shreds Matthews (cable@com.com), February 11, 2001

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But GW Bush got on TV and accepted the victory so he won right? Oh did it matter that it was just a stunt to manipulate the unthinking masses into believeing he had won so the facts and truth would loose out to popular belief.

As in the case of TEOTWAWKI by failed embedded chips, believing something to be true and it being true are two different things. Saying it is so doesn't mean it is so.

-- Cherri (jessam5@home.com), February 11, 2001.

While we're at it, let's not forget about that lying Gore conceding defeat, and tricking us all into thinking he wasn't president. Sneaky devil he is. And let's not forget all of the events of the most recent two months, things like the fake inauguration, and the fake cabinet, and the fake residents of the White House, and all those other things the media are tricking us into believing, simply by refusing to cover the "real" change of power, almost as though it didn't happen that way at all. Gotta admire the verisimilitude, though.

As Ed Yourdon said, it isn't *real* power we're seeing, it's all being done with generators and nobody is admitting it yet!

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), February 11, 2001.

Good Point Cherri!

BTW, the California Energy mess is as well something which has been fed to the masses as one thing, and is almost completely the opposite.

Anyhow,,, we alls "know" Bush won and Gore was just trying to steal the election! Never was it lets have as fair a count as possible to ALL parties which was indicated and needed by the many problems involved and allowed for by Florida Law. But never mind, Bush won and Albert just had sour grapes.

Liberal Media? too funny.

-- (doc_paulie@hotmail.com), February 11, 2001.

Ah yes, some things are so predictable. Mere mention of James Carville, the all-time liberal spin-doctor and who should appear but Cherri and her idiot savant, S. Brown. Carville is a political hired gun who has worked for Clinton on two separate occasions. He also orchestrated the successful campaign for Ehud Barak against Benjamin Netanyahu. He is the last person on the face of this earth that you should believe about anything.

For Those Liberal Morons That Just Won’t ‘Get Over It’, I offer Carville as your champion of justice. He fits in so well with the rest of the Clinton group….liars to the core and totally void of any moral character.

-- Barry (bchbear863@cs.com), February 11, 2001.

How is James I AM A DAMN SPINDOCTOR AND I WANT YA ALLS TO KNOW THIS UPFRONT Carville devoid of moral character? Does he hide what he does Barry? Course not, man has built a career largely based on the fact he is THE spindoctor.

Chris Matthews on the otherhand is such an utter rookie he don't want ya to know he is as well a paid hack. Carville ate him as the tart he is.

Now do you have anything beyond the usual demonization dribble of the Whitewingers?

-- (doc_paulie@hotmail.com), February 11, 2001.

Don't waste your time Doc. Barry is just a meme. In fact they are all memes. You and me are the only non memes around here, and I am not sure if I am not actually displaying meme like traits myself. You are the sole defender of truth. Oh, I forgot CPR. You are one of two sole defenders of truth. Keep the faith.

-- save me from the meme (we're@all.memes), February 11, 2001.

I love my serpent-head man even if his politics are abysmally fucked up.

-- (MaryMatalin@White.House), February 11, 2001.

Carville: I'm never going to stop talking about Florida, its all I can talk about, all I can think about, I am Florida, I am the Eggman, scootscoottadoo, Did I mention Gore won Florida, he won man, wow, dude, like did I mention Gore won Florida, hehehaha, Bush is not president, did I like mention that Gore won Florida, its true, we might not know like for days or hours or did I mention Gore w..did I mentio...Did...scootscoottadoo, hehehaha

-- typical Gore supporter (t@g.s), February 11, 2001.

I always liked James. Still do. Faithfullness & meaningful gratitude are pretty rare commodities in politics and should be appreciated. Still, he's starting to worry me now. Me thinks that money may have overtaken what was once admirable dedication. If so, I look to Mary dumping him this year.

-- Carlos (riffraff@cybertime.net), February 11, 2001.

Realizing our whitewing friends around here are a little slow, and freak when presented evidence shattering their delusions, one link will do for now.

D emocrats to blame for California Energy Mess! Here is a nice graph showing this truth.

-- (doc_paulie@hotmail.com), February 11, 2001.

Blame for our current power problem rests squarely on the shoulders of William Keese. His inability to own up to his liberal left leanings has confirmed his culpability:>)

Hey Carlos, you lost any power yet? Nope, me neither. In the meantime the weather is great and the food is fresh.

-- Barry (bchbear863@cs.com), February 11, 2001.

Not for now or ever. Goofy link.

I'd never suggest that we talk about important stuff around here but still you need to stop smokin that stuff Doc.

Goofy talk linked to goofy links. Maybe my bad for guessing poorly but you could fool a fella.

-- Carlos (riffraff@cybertime.net), February 11, 2001.

Goofy? well at least that is a new one.

Ya real goofy! How in hell can it be the result of Democrats boys? It being the energy situation in California? From basically 1985 to 1997 the ENTIRE body in charge of Energy in California were REPUBLICANS.

You are being taken for fools and you could careless apparently.

I will appreciate not insinuating I am smoking something illegal.

BTW, that other thread is from the onion.com in case it matters or maybe you two like looking the parts of dolts.

-- (doc_paulie@hotmail.com), February 11, 2001.

You mean……that was ‘satire’ on that other post?:>) Once again, I should have put in a little disclaimer for the 'Doc’s' of the world:

“To recognize a tongue in cheek, one must remove head from rectum.”

-- Barry (bchbear863@cs.com), February 12, 2001.

Here I go again stating my opinion... But how could such a decent person as Mary marry a jerk like Carville? :)

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), February 12, 2001.

I saw that show.

Oversimplification by Carville. Case in point: ballots with Gore chosen and written in. Carville talks like these are the ones that should have been counted to give Gore the election. Two problems: There weren't that many of these and such a ballot is invalid by most statutes.

Matthews let him rant because he is tired of the subject.

-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), February 12, 2001.