I was reading Job today, and I came across what looks like a prophecy about (or a desire for) Jesus. "Would there were an arbiter between us, who could lay his hand upon us both and withdraw his rod from me. Would that his terrors did not frighten me; that I might speak without being afraid of him." (Job 9:33-35) It seems to me that this desire of Job's is fulfilled in the loving and compassionate Christ, who became one of us, showed the perfect example of God's love, and brings us to the Father. Hey, maybe that also points to the intercessory prayers of saints! What do you guys think?

-Hannah

Mother Mary, pray for us. St. James, pray for us.

-- Hannah (archiegoodwin_and_nerowolfe@hotmail.com), February 09, 2001

Answers

To the top, please.

-- jackiea (jackiea@hotmail.com), February 09, 2001.

Sounds good to me. Ch. 10 seems to reinforce this idea as well.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), February 10, 2001.

Jmj

Hi, folks.
Upon reading the verses, I agreed with Frank and you, Hannah.
Then I went to see what others had to say.
A 19th-century commentary by Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown says this about the word in verse 33: "'mediator' or 'umpire,' the imposition of whose hand expresses power to adjudicate between the persons. There might be one on a level with Job, the one party; but Job knew of none on a level with the Almighty, the other party. We Christians know of such a Mediator ... -- the God-man, Christ Jesus."
An 18th-century commentary by Henry says this: "... there was no arbitrator or umpire to adjust the differences between [Job] and God and to determine the controversy ... This complaint that there was not [an arbitrator] is in effect a wish that there were... Job would gladly refer the matter, but no creature was capable of being a referee, and therefore he must even refer it still to God himself and resolve to acquiesce in his judgment. Our Lord Jesus is the blessed [arbitrator], who has mediated between heaven and earth, has laid his hand upon us both; to him the Father has committed all judgment, and we must. But this matter was not then brought to so clear a light as it is now by the gospel, which leaves no room for such a complaint as this."

I found your observation especially interesting, Hannah, in light of having read that some who have reflected on the Book of Job have seen Job himself as a "type" of Jesus -- an innocent man suffering greatly.

St. James, pray for us. O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to you.
God bless you.
John

-- J. F. Gecik (jgecik@desc.dla.mil), February 10, 2001.

Greetings Hannah: Do you know Jesus or you trying to justify a religious program. Job sufferd greatly and if he needed Saint he would have said so. Gods is very clear about everything for salvation? Do you know His truth? Are you saved from sin and death? I am and can rejoice in Jesus every breath I take.

-- Jesus saves (Jesusislife@Christianemail.com), February 13, 2001.

No, he didn't say he *needed* the help of saints. NEITHER DOES THE CHURCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE POSTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you have ever said a single accurate thing about the Church it got past me! Your foolishness just hurts your own cause. Others with similar philosophies who may come here later are discredited by you.

The best way you can help your message is to not let it come out of your mouth, leave it to someone who *might* actually know what they're talking about.

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-- anthony (fides_spes_et_caritas@hotmail.com), February 13, 2001.

"Jesus saves",

Seriously, chief, read what people post before YOU post. Why do you want to waste your time and ours with stuff like that? Hannah's point was,

It seems to me that this desire of Job's is fulfilled in the loving and compassionate Christ, who became one of us,

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), February 13, 2001.

My friends, pardon what is sure to sound like a snide remark. I have to wonder if this man is drinking, or on drugs. First of all, he's dislexic; sometimes he doesn't even spell Christ correctly! I think he's drunk. He never says anything new, only maybe when he insults the Church. Do we need any dialogue with him? AlexJr is a spectator just being obnoxious. Poor fellow, let's be charitable and say, ''OK, Alex. Yes, Alex-- Good Man, Alex!'' Jesus must surely understand. He's locked in a prison of his own making. We pray, and pray for Alex. Nothing else.

Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy! Virgin most Favored of God, we beseech your holy intercession; Amen!
Senor Santiago, Pray for the forum and its guests! Amen.

-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), February 14, 2001.

right again, but we have a problem in that 1) his posts will remain, and the views are popular. if they go unanswered, some may think we don't *have* an answer.

and 2) With such a weak foundation, I honestly believe it's only a matter of time before he's forced to admit to himself that this stuff he peddles doesn't hold water. Besides, he damages the same arguments for others. Nothing is more convincing of our POV than jr, and if he keeps it up, he may wind up convincing himself...

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-- Anthony (fides_spes_et_caritas@hotmail.com), February 14, 2001.

Greetings: They will slander you for my name, they will revile you and pesacute you because they dont know me or my Father. Can any of you say that Gods Word is not being used about "Jesus saves", until you come to the knowledge of Christ you won't ever be saved or be abile to understand what God is doing oy saying. Though having eyes they cannot see. Know this everyone these men will do anything to keep you from being saved.

-- Alex is saved, Alex Jr, Alex R just know that Im saved (Jesusislife@Christianemail.com), February 14, 2001.

Alex,

I read the end of your post, and spilled into your "handle". It came out like this in my (correct) interpretation:

Know this everyone these men will do anything to keep you from being saved.

-- Alex is saved, Alex Jr, Alex R

Yeah Alex, those men do seem like Trouble as far as giving INcorrect Christian teaching is concerned, and I must say, it's mighty big of you to admit you are the problem. Come back to the church, and receive the Truth.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), February 14, 2001.