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Pat, I should have kept my opinion to myself. As I stated in the other thread, I'm sorry I made it public but I still have that opinion. I would tell my friend the same thing, if I thought she was making a mistake. Too bad your so called friends, Peg and Anita, didn't tell you. But I had noticed that this very kind and generous person has becoming more and more bitter in her posts. I concluded that this man of your "dreams" was influencing this type of behavior in you. Take it as you like, the gum under your shoe.

Anita, you ignorant slut. I think you lack so many qualities where do I begin? First, you are full of yourself. That post on "many women hate me because I had an easy childbirth" was just one example. Women don't HATE you. I couldn't believe you would think it, let alone say it, let alone write it down for all eternity (or til the storage ran out). I never heard any woman say anything close to that in any of my Lamaze classes. You reminded me of that stupid advertisement, "Don't hate me because I'm beautiful" for some hair color or other "feminine" product.

Then you ask me how long ago I was in the military. What difference would it make? Ten, twenty, thirty, who cares? I still have more experience than you in military matters. But of course, you know better. You KNOW that society has changed since I was in. You KNOW that women should be in combat because… well, you know… and I don't. You who wouldn't recognize a mission if it bit you on the arse. What bullshit you tried to impose. Oh and my opinion doesn't count. Yours of course does.

Then you ask about my changing jobs "again". What does that mean? You didn't have a job for over two years. You still don't have a job. I was working Y2K. And since you know everything, then you know that on 1/1/00, Y2K jobs go away. BTW, I have never been unemployed, unlike you.

And finally let me make a Wild Wild West analogy. Pat comes blasting into the saloon, a gun in each hand. She asks "why don't you chicken liver yellow bellies tell my why the chicken crossed the road?" As people try to answer the question, she fires off rounds. Doc, backs her up with a shout, "you chicken memes, why can't you think for yourselves?" Maria had enough, she raises her shotgun and with Pat in the crosshairs, shoots. Hearing Pat's cries, Anita comes to the rescue, fists raised, bemoaning, "I left this saloon because you're so mean, Maria". The sheriff wants to hear from the witnesses before making an arrest.

-- Maria (maria947@hotmail.com), February 08, 2001

Answers

Uh, don't you think this should be resolved privately?

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), February 08, 2001.

Sounds like a troll to me.

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), February 08, 2001.

Maria, Too bad your so called friends, Peg and Anita, didn't tell you. But I had noticed that this very kind and generous person has becoming more and more bitter in her posts. I concluded that this man of your "dreams" was influencing this type of behavior in you.

Let me say this loud and clear...

PATRICIA HAS A MIND OF HER OWN!

And your dislike/hatred of Doc is all too aparent.

My suggestion to you would be, if you can't stop the personal attacks don't respond to her posts...plain and simple.

-- Peg (pegmcleod@mediaone.net), February 08, 2001.


Tar, here the link, to see the dispute

Peg, so let me get this straight. A friend of yours is starting to drink heavily or get into drugs, and changing her life and personality. You would just sit by and say she has a mind of her own. Hmmm I guess, I take my friendships a little more seriously than that.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), February 08, 2001.


Maria, jeez, you have my damn email address; you had to start a brand-spanking new thread?

Just drop it. It's ridiculous at this point.

-- (PatriciaS@lasvegas.com), February 08, 2001.



Sorry, but I have to ask: And you thought MY "analogy" was BAD?!?!

-- (PatriciaS@lasvegas.com), February 08, 2001.


Shaking my head in disbelief.

-- Peg (pegmcleod@mediaone.net), February 08, 2001.

Maria they would like you to drop it at this point. don't do it. I haven't always agreed with you, but you seem to be the only one willing to stand up to dysfunction happening right before your eyes. Youre a little late, but at least now you're willing to speak up.

Maria this place is a toilet. Filled with bloody hemoroids like doc. It is also filled with sluts and cysts and the lowest denominator of human beings. You have the hard-core unemployables like Anita and drunks and drug addicts like Capn and Peg and Anita and Unk and Carrie and Rich and Patricia. We are then left with people who are just boring and fruity like FutureShock.

Maria you are probably fighting a losing battle arguing with Pat and Anita because they have so much in common. they like each other so much they even met in she stayed at her house! You won't ever win a verbal battle with those gals. they share the same memes.

Just a last point. these women will never forgive you. they are so thick from breathing Mad Dog fumes they cant tell they're discentegrating. You can't win on this board because you're to normal. But you can take solace that in the battle of the survival of the fittest they will be worm food soon.

-- (Just @ quick. observation), February 08, 2001.


Please forgive Maria, she is the dumbest of dumb cunts. She has the unique privelege of being the only person in the country with an IQ below 40 who is not institutionalized. Now you can see why it is utterly ludicrous to take her comments seriously.

-- cyber freud (maria@for.entertainment.purposes.only), February 08, 2001.

this place is a toilet

Just @ quick...welcome to our little humble commode, here in cyberspace.

How nice of you to join us with your amazing insights..

Feel free to stick your head in anytime...the flush is on us!

-- Peg (pegmcleod@mediaone.net), February 08, 2001.



Peg...lol! As soon as I caught your pic, I heard "Thus Sprach Zarathustra" and "The Blue Danube" (for the "2001: A Space Odyssey" fans).

And hmmm...brings a whole meaning to "Open the pod bay door, Hal..."

Hey, y'all -- please try to lighten up on each other -- we all have our bad days (weeks? months?); and life is too short for this stuff.

-- eve (eve_rebekah@yahoo.com), February 08, 2001.


Who left the aslyum door open? Who let this DOG out?

Maria you are a cliche. Your arguments can be had by switching on Rush any day of the week. I respect your right to share your "opinion". However do not be surprised when others call them for what they are,,,tapes.

You have yet to comment on the Colin Powell remarks directly. What you have done is what you have done prior. You have a personal problem, you were mislead. Hey it happens everyday, learn and move-on. If you think it better to bash others to avoid facing an inner conflict, I feel sorry for ya and hope you tire of it so you can benefit from the love of the Father above.

-- Stephen Brown (stephenrb@earthlink.net), February 08, 2001.


Maria:

I am not part of this argument but, you said: "Then you ask me how long ago I was in the military. What difference would it make?"

I think that it depends on whether you are discussing the technology behind black powder rifles or development of the best aerosol pattern for distribution of a biological agent. So it seems. *<)))

Cheers,,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), February 08, 2001.


On another thread, Anita tells us:

“*I* need to spend my internet time planning with other liberals.”

Do tell. Care to share these ‘plans’ with the rest of us political heathens? Let’s see….what could liberals possibly be planning……………..

(1). Forming a search party to locate Jesse Jackson.

(2). Forming a search party to locate a viable candidate for 2004.

(3). Establish guidelines for living on reduced levels of public assistance.

I’m sure that others can add to this list.

-- Barry (bchbear863@cs.com), February 08, 2001.


LOL!

Too funny, Barry!

-- tired of this shit (lazy-assed@welfare.cheats), February 08, 2001.



Maria-

I took a look at the thread you linked to. I'm sorry I did. It's nothing more than a particularly long, particularly petty, excuse for a series of personal attacks. It's like watching kids play the dozens. I can't believe you, or Anita or Patricia, would even waste your time with this adolescent behavior.

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), February 08, 2001.


Pineapple or Orange?

Funny, I do not even like fruit.

But seriously folks, if Maria really cared about Patricia as she said she does she would NEVER air this out publically. Friends do not do that to friends.

Just:

By the way, why are you hanging out with Hemorrhoids(correct spelling), sluts, and cysts. You are the company you keep, right?

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), February 08, 2001.


I'm not one to get in the middle of a catfight. Hey, what man with an ounce of common sense would want to??? :-)

I have one question. Who the heck is Stephen Brown???? In all my years (yes, it has been YEARS) on this BB, your handle does not ring a bell. Of course, there was all that drug abuse stuff in the 70's and all........

Just curious

Deano

-- Deano (deano@luvthebeach.com), February 08, 2001.


pssst.. Deano

Stephen Brown=Doc Paulie

-- (little@birdie.tweet), February 08, 2001.


FS, you don't think this is funny. I find it extremely funny.

Tar, She started it. (nahnee, nahnee, boo, boo) I know this is like high school. I thought that came across with my analogy. Pat starts out very abrasive and became increasingly so with each successive post. I happen to blurt out what was on my mind and all hell breaks loose. Someone watching from the outside should be laughing hysterically, exactly because it looks like high school.

Stephen, what did you do with Doc? The heavenly Father knows me well. And as I said on Poole's if you think I'm going to bother to answer your question just to get a bashing from you, you're more stupid than I thought.

Deano, that's Doc.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), February 08, 2001.


And for those who didn't know Doc's apparent dislike for me (Peg take note), here's how he asked for my opinion yesterday.

"MariaMeme, is that your comment on what Colin Powell said yesterday?

Great answer, shows how well versed you are ya dingbat, get the f*ck outta here. "

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), February 08, 2001.


Regardless of who started it, you're all covered in mud now.

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), February 08, 2001.

Geez.....

Everyone knew but me.

Preesh!!

Deano

-- Deano (deano@luvthebeach.com), February 08, 2001.


I don't even KNOW you Maria. What I dislike is the behavior presented by one calling themselves Maria. An entity who for months spewed the "we need to get out of the Balkans and Junior will do exactly that". Who when asked for opinion on apparently more of the same-old in the Balkans by Bushie, flys off the handle and attacks others who have revealed a bit more than "I am a programmer who worked Y2k and live in Colorado". Never even coming close to answering what is apparently a BOLD FACED lie by their candidate.

-- geelikeitreallymatters? (doc_paulie@hotmail.com), February 08, 2001.

Patricia and Anita, take heed of the wise old pygmy saying: You can always insult a rhinoceros, but it will never know.

Maria, take heed of the wise old American saying: Chewing gum may lose its flavor pretty quick, but when it comes to working your jaws, one piece can last a lifetime.

-- Break out the cookies and milk (aimless@national_raffle_association.org), February 08, 2001.


Deano-

I didn't know either. Now that I do know, I don't particularly care. However, it's interesting that Maria apparently felt she had to change the direction of her attack from the political to the personal. Come to think of it, since the attack was on Patricia's "significant other" it doesn't even qualify as a personal attack. I'd be curious to find out what made her choose that route, but I fear I'll drown in flames first.

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), February 08, 2001.


Whoops Deano! I thought you were talking about the Patricia/Doc Paulie thing. Must be the smoke getting to me from all these flames...

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), February 08, 2001.

Are you guys ready for a Nazi censor yet?

LOL!

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), February 08, 2001.


Fake Unk alert!

-- (little@birdie.tweet), February 08, 2001.

I doubt that the fake Unk can do this, lol.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), February 08, 2001.


Maria, the only reason you started this thread was because you saw that this place needed some fireworks! Looking back at the "Debunking Y2K" site, you never stirred the pot there, but you certainly stirred it at TB2000, and you were 100% right in your estimations of things. Like all the previous forums before this one, it ended with arguing and hurt feelings and god knows how many "new" forums sprang up. In the big picture of things, none of this really matters does it?

-- idunnoknow (idunnoknow@ohwelll.dom), February 08, 2001.

Maria should just moon us and be done with it.

-- (Weeble@wee.ble), February 08, 2001.

Hey gals!!!

Weeble is onto something,why don't yaw'll just moon each other? Post the pics and we'll be the judges as to who wins,based on the criteria of who has the best,worst,most creatively displayed ass ie,little costumes,drawings,written messages and such,it'd be FUN : )

Oh yea,j@qo,

I might like to party,I might like to party a little,I might like to party alot,but ya see,it ain't really none of your business.You don't pay my bills,buy my lunch or give me or the kids I don't have a dime. You should probably stick with taking care of minding your own life and getting a hold on your cowardice problem and while your at it maybe some help for your God(wannabe)complex,unless you sir/maam are perfect in all ways,with of course the exception of being a coward and hiding behind a bullshit handle(s).

But then again,IT MIGHT MATTER IF I GAVE A FUCK!!! : )

You might have cabin fever,it'll be ok,hell,I'll buy ya a couple few beers and a shot,mayhaps you'll feel better???

And fer ALL the rest of ya's.......Get nekkid and have a great weekend!!!!!!!!!!!! : p

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), February 09, 2001.


This one's for you, capn.

mooning contest

O:O (woman mooning)

( ):( ) (fat woman mooning)

[]:[] (muscular woman mooning)

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), February 09, 2001.


I guess I should respond to this because I've been getting E-mails about it for a day or two now. Anita, you ignorant slut. I think you lack so many qualities where do I begin? First, you are full of yourself. That post on "many women hate me because I had an easy childbirth" was just one example. Women don't HATE you. I couldn't believe you would think it, let alone say it, let alone write it down for all eternity (or til the storage ran out). I never heard any woman say anything close to that in any of my Lamaze classes. You reminded me of that stupid advertisement, "Don't hate me because I'm beautiful" for some hair color or other "feminine" product.

This actually came up on the old TB2000 forum, Maria. You must have missed it. It seems that someone didn't want people to know that SOME women had easy childbirths, and several other women chimed in with disdain towards anyone who suggested that women had done this for centuries just climbing down off their horse and squatting in the woods. Then you ask me how long ago I was in the military. What difference would it make? Ten, twenty, thirty, who cares? I still have more experience than you in military matters.

Of course you do, but you've been telling folks that you know the CURRENT status of countries like China. You may have known their status ONCE, but it DOES make a difference when you left the military, because the world HAS changed. Then you ask about my changing jobs "again". What does that mean?

It means that you're at least two jobs past knowing the CURRENT status of countries like China.

You didn't have a job for over two years. You still don't have a job. I was working Y2K. And since you know everything, then you know that on 1/1/00, Y2K jobs go away. BTW, I have never been unemployed, unlike you.

LOL. True story there. Actually, you missed a year when I was unemployed and going to school full-time when the kids were little. Heck...if it weren't for the fact that I've been supporting my mom's stay at an assisted- living facility for the past several years, I'd still have enough money to keep going to school and complete the certification for that low-paying job as a school teacher here in Texas. I've been well paid all my life, and I never really found a need for all that money, so just socked it away. It came in pretty handy, dontcha think? I'll soon take another job, continue to pay for my mom's assisted-living facility, and when she dies, I'll probably even finish that teaching certification thing and spend my "downhill slide" teaching high-school. I actually enjoy teaching, and with summers off, SO and I can tour the world, which we've done for many years as contractors. Peg, so let me get this straight. A friend of yours is starting to drink heavily or get into drugs, and changing her life and personality. You would just sit by and say she has a mind of her own. Hmmm I guess, I take my friendships a little more seriously than that.

Patricia is very happy with Stephen Brown. He doesn't mistreat her; she doesn't drink heavily, and she isn't into drugs. [What was the point here again?]

On another thread, Anita tells us: “*I* need to spend my internet time planning with other liberals.” Do tell. Care to share these ‘plans’ with the rest of us political heathens? Let’s see….what could liberals possibly be planning…………….. (1). Forming a search party to locate Jesse Jackson. (2). Forming a search party to locate a viable candidate for 2004. (3). Establish guidelines for living on reduced levels of public assistance. I’m sure that others can add to this list.

Barry, I LIKE Jesse. I grew up with the guy in Chicago. Everyone knows where he is. (2) has some credence. I wouldn't mind having some input into who is running in 2004. I suspect that the "viable" adjective will have changed its meaning by 2004, but...yeah...I'd like to see someone "viable". My concentration, however, is on 2002 at this point. 2004 concerns will be dealt with at the appropriate time. (3) ASSUMES that liberals see "public assistance" as a mainstay. Hell, Barry, I've been unemployed for 2 years [as Maria correctly stated.] *I*'m a liberal. I've never used any of YOUR money to support myself OR my mom.

Just to finish this off, I noticed in another thread that a poster named Boswell said something about folks posting from work. Never in my life have I ever spent time on the internet from work. I was raised with a strict "dollar's pay for a dollar's work" mentality. I understand that some of you have employers who don't care about how you spend your "free" time, but [to me.....the liberal, I would be using the company's resources to communicate.] That, to me, is ... well...stealing. I just wanted to point that out maybe to indicate that ALL liberals don't feel the same way on things, much like ALL conservatives don't feel the same way on things.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), February 09, 2001.


I'm sorry. I should have checked my HTML more closely.



-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), February 09, 2001.


“Barry, I LIKE Jesse. I grew up with the guy in Chicago. Everyone knows where he is.”

Not anyone that I’ve talked to knows where Jesse is. If you were to randomly ask 100 people on the street where he is, I doubt that you would get 1 person that could tell you.

I know where he ISN’T and for that I am most grateful.

-- Barry (bchbear863@cs.com), February 09, 2001.


Barry:

If I were to randomly ask 100 people on the street who was President, they wouldn't know. I DO thank you, however, for your response. It indicates that you were able to "weed your way" through my poor HTML response and find what I addressed to you. I didn't want to do this over again, because I've been capable of "weeding my way through", as well, and I'd always felt it a waste of time and space to reformat when others have felt the need to do so.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), February 09, 2001.


Anita:

After this last election, I would bet that MOST folks could tell you the name of the current President. That’s assuming you were not taking this poll in downtown Los Angeles, where you would be hard pressed to get anyone that could speak your language :>)

-- Barry (bchbear863@cs.com), February 09, 2001.


Barry:

I'd agree with you on this, except I actually watched someone query the folks on the street on one of those silly T.V. news programs of late.

I suppose they could have edited out the folks they interviewed who actually knew, but what news would there be in that? The end result was nothing short of hilarious.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), February 09, 2001.


Anita this one's for you,

From the other thread 1) You don't attack my momma. 2) You don't attack my mate. What? We didn't have any such rules; it was pure survival that had "Rodney King" riots as common place. An insult about "yo' momma" was like an episode of "Leave it to Beaver". You know nothing about my poor neighborhood and my childhood experiences, so don't even go there sister. You claim, I started this because I insulted Pat, give me a break. My argument "lost credence when" I started with the insults. LMAO! Pat HAD no argument, just some twisted question about conspiracy, so similar to her mate's that I wondered about it. I was going to ignore it but she kept coming back and insulting all those who tried to answer her twisted question. This is just too funny!

I commented on your post on "many women hate me because I had an easy childbirth". Let me make this clearer to you. Someone who believes that other people hate them because of a trait or capability, seem (to me) to have an ego problem. They sense that those around them are jealous and therefore hate them. I don't hate you because you're beautiful, a great athlete, smart, or had an easy childbirth. (Again similar to the advertisement, "Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.") Hate is a very strong word and I really can't think of many people whom I hate. I dislike a number of people but not hate.

You respond with, "…other women chimed in with disdain…" as if to confirm that yes indeed, women hate me. Now I didn't see the thread you referenced, so your account of the discussion is inadmissible. But from this response, you seem to confirm that you think you are full of greatness, enough to have other women jealous of you, which grew into "disdain".

It means that you're at least two jobs past knowing the CURRENT status of countries like China. That may be so Anita, but still light years ahead of any other person on this forum talking about nuclear capabilities. Let me say this, I have never used the word CURRENT. I *do* know about China and can speak confidently about their status. I have read intelligence reports and know of their capabilities as of a few years ago. Since then I have heard news reports and I can put two and two together to surmise (basically that's how one gathers intelligence information) to know where they are today. Again still light years ahead of Doc and you.

Patricia is very happy with Stephen Brown. He doesn't mistreat her; she doesn't drink heavily, and she isn't into drugs. [What was the point here again?] I didn't say Pat was drinking or into drugs. I asked Peg hypothetically (I know, forgive me I didn't take the time to write out the word), if her friend was changing in a bad way, then Peg would ignore the problem and not tell her friend her concerns, saying that "she has her own mind". That's not how I treat my friends. If my girlfriend were changing in a negative way, I would tell her my concerns. I wouldn't ignore what I perceived to be a problem. If you or Peg ignore Pat with "she has her own mind". That's fine with me. Yes, she absofuckinglutely has her own mind. But I would tell my friend that I think she may be headed down the wrong road.

Now, this is why I think Pat is changing. The old Pat would have never responded to the first one answering her question with, "The Hard Of Understanding Crowd". Poor Jason offered an explanation (which was NOT at all abrasive) and she hit him hard. The old Pat was too kind, generous, and non-confrontational. Even Flint noticed this changing behavior and you didn't. Great friends you are! Anita, I didn't say that Pat's "mind was somehow influenced". I implied her behavior, her reaction to and treatment of others has changed.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), February 10, 2001.


Better late than never....presto chango.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), February 10, 2001.

Thanks, Unk.

Maria:

If I thought that Stephen was affecting Patricia in a way that would be destructive, I'd be the FIRST one to step up to the plate and let her know. Right now, I think you're confusing a political assertiveness with your previous perceptions of "doormat" Patricia.

I communicate with the woman on almost a daily basis, and I haven't seen this change you mention. Is she more assertive on political issues? You betcha. Did Stephen have something to do with this? He could have, ONLY insofar as that he loves the woman enough to encourage her to be who SHE chooses.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), February 10, 2001.


Maria:

While I did notice this change in Pat, I consider it an artifact of participation rather than simply a decline in general sanity.

Remember that Pat never entered the y2k fray on the old board. She confined herself (as did Doc Droolie and CPR) entirely to the debunking boards, where everyone agreed with her. A person can be abusive and thoughtless, and hold opinions by rote rather than analysis, and if those opinions are never challenged you have no way to tell. You can only see what someone is made of when they wade in where some capable people don't swallow everything they've been trained to think, and see how they respond.

And Pat's constitution is illuminated as a result. She presents self- ratifying opinions and supports them with personal attacks. She claims all attempts to represent her opinions in different words fail to represent them at all, by anybody. She complains that all disagreement must result from lack of intelligence, while NEVER addressing the specifics of this charge. The instant the subject is examined in any depth at all, she abandons it entirely in favor of personal accusations. If you politely ask her to explain what she meant, she simply drops the subject and vanishes.

By now, the record is sufficient for the pattern to be indelible. She posts a claim, can't explain it, can't support it, can't defend it, attacks anyone who disagrees, acts persecuted, and stomps off.

But I also have to laugh when Anita trots out a bunch of "rules" from nowhere, and chides people for not following them. Of course, if you created rules for Anita to follow instead, she'd reject them without ever seeing the irony.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), February 10, 2001.


Flint [and Maria]:

I hadn't realized that some folks grew up thinking it was okay to 'dis someone's mother or mate. I knew some people did this, but I didn't know they thought the behavior appropriate. Sorry.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), February 10, 2001.


Anita:

Come off it. We are dissing the most stridently incoherent poster currently active. We are observing that Patricia lives with this poster, and speculating that they sometimes talk to one another. We are NOT dissing anyone who does NOT post here.

I won't dis your mate unless and until he does something that deserves it. Nobody else will either. If he decides to start posting, and sounds invariably like a shrill and blithering moron, we will naturally wonder about any matching opinions you may express. If he sounds thoughtful and informed, then this reflects positively on you. But BOTH of you must post first.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), February 10, 2001.


Funny, I thought Uncle Boob was the most stridently inchorent poster currently active on this board.

I think that the real point is that both Maria and our man Flint know that by attacking Patricia and her choice of companions they really get to her. When you want to attack someone you find their weak point and go in for the kill. This should be most apparent by their continued jabs concerning Patricia's choice of Doc without even acknowledging that what they are doing is rude and offfensive by most civilized standards.

What surprises me is that Flint seems to find this behavior appropriate. I have never noticed that personal attacks were part of his modus operandi. Then again I didn't completely read all of his posts because they usually were so mind numbingly long. I guess he had to have some trait that got him banned and perhaps these extremely personal insults are the reason. That or the complete lack of remorse for being a horse's ass.

Most insulting personal attacks in response to a persons posts are the standard such as: "You are a dumb fuck" or "You idiot cunt" or the most horrendous "Blank is Lady Logic." To attack someone's personal relationship in real life is slightly different. At least to me.

I also notice that often when a person has been out pointed on a topic they often resort to personal attacks to draw attention away from the fact that they have been bested. People are also seldom eager to admit that they are wrong.

I think it is most telling that Maria has completely ignored the challenge regarding the hypocricy of Dubya's campaign promise to withdraw from Bosnia and they policy statement issued by his General of State. Instead she questions Patricia's sanity by her choice of a man that obviosly she loves and is happy with. I guess that sometimes it hurts when your ideological hero turns out to be just another opportunistic politician and you have to lash out at someone to make yourself feel better.

My only hope out of all this is that Maria actually finds herself a man so she won't be so bitchy and that Flint's wife shoots him for being a jerk.

-- Friendly Ghost (heain'tc@asper.com), February 10, 2001.


Flint:

What you seem to be suggesting is that you're the judge, jury, and executioner on a relationship based on your opinion. These people get along together and love each other. They don't need YOUR opinion and they don't need YOUR approval. What you're doing is driving one [or both] of them off this forum, and I suspect that was by design.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), February 10, 2001.


Anita:

You are letting your emotions override your intelligence. I regard Patricia and Droolie as two different people. I often agree with Pat, though I think we can agree to disagree about politics. I have found, both on this forum and privately, that about anything else we can converse politely and find almost universal agreement. We find each other's political convictions unreasonable, but that doesn't bother me, I'll continue to agree with what I find agreeable, and explain (at mind numbing length) why I don't agree with what I don't find agreeable.

As for Droolie, I suppose it's possible I agree with him now and then, but I can so rarely even guess what he might be driving at that I can't know for sure. However, I suspect that any agreement would be coincidence, since I have never seen his opinions backed by aything I'd consider logical thought, nor have I ever sensed that he's found any opinion to be a close call because multiple competing viewpoints each have some force. He's an all-or-nothing, binary thinker (bearing in mind that I can't make a whole lot of sense of his posts).

If either one of them takes the words on their screen so seriously to heart as to be driven off, this is an artifact of their own devising, neither intended nor desired on my part. If their relationship satisfies both of them (and posted evidence suggests they are right for one another), this is all to their benefit. Good for them!

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), February 10, 2001.


Flint, you are incorrigable.

It would be lovely if your wife made an appearance on the forum - I think CD said something to the effect that she was gorgeous & cooked a mean steak. At the very least, we've kept you off the streets, & outta the pool halls & her hair for quite a spell now.

My guy & I have been together for much, much longer than Pat & her beau have. Yet, I am still stupified by the fact that he could vote for Jesse not only once , but TWICE! *Sheesh, almighty* I am also thankful for the opportunities to cancel his votes out. Once everyone is of age in this household, I figure we'll cancel each other out nine ways 'til sunday. {Future Orwellian doombrooder alert}.

{& here I thought I was in the running for the 'Most Incoherent Poster' crown. *sniff*}

-- flora (***@__._), February 10, 2001.


Flint:

My oldest daughter has been dating the same guy for six years now. MY picture of him is FAT, LAZY, STUPID. HER picture of him is CUDDLY, SECURE, NON-DEMANDING. We both agree that the guy has a smile that lights up an entire room. She's spent 6 years with him, and I've probably spent 6 hours with him.

YOUR criteria for an appropriate mate seems to be 1) keyboarding skills 2) spelling skills or ability to use a spell-checker 3) ability to think fast on one's feet [as we'll be having a test once your post is complete] 4) ability to put YOUR thoughts into MY head [despite blocks I may put up], 5) agreement with MY opinions.

Patricia may not have a need for ANY of the above. She may love Doc because he's the anti-Flint. [grin] Maybe he just rubs her back in a way her back has never before been rubbed. Who knows why we pick the people we do as mates? There's just something about them that we love. Others can't see it, and that's a good thing, or we'd all be vying for the same mates. It isn't a logical process, and it isn't a process to be determined by a poll of how others see it.

As I told Maria above, if I thought that Stephen would harm Patricia [either physically or emotionally], I'd be on the telephone in a flash, but "using" him to get to her is wrong in my opinion. My own mother never interfered with my relationships. She made it clear that she'd prefer I'd marry a Norwegian, but she was happy with the Swede, and she's even happy with the "Beaner."

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), February 10, 2001.


flora:

I'm afraid my wife considers this forum a childish waste of time. Just a bunch of mostly grown people and a few adolescents all acting like the adolescents, while real life passes them all by. Can you believe such an attitude?

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), February 10, 2001.


Flora:

I think we all know that although we TALK to our mates, there's no real influence. We didn't pick our mates to influence them. We chose them because we liked them for who they were/are [warts and all.]

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), February 10, 2001.


Pat, I should have kept my opinion to myself. YesAs I stated in the other thread, I'm sorry I made it public Like hell you are, and you are using this opportunity to repeat what you said but I still have that opinion.And you still think you need to give your opinion, even when it is not appropriate, because it is YOUR opinion after all and THAT is the most important thing to you isn't it? I would tell my friend the same thing, if I thought she was making a mistake. Perhaps you should stick to giving your friends your opinions, and stop giving them to everyone else. Too bad your so called friends, Peg and Anita, didn't tell you. Oh, so now you are perfectly correct in those opinions and presume to question Patricia's actual friends' lack of "friendship" for not telling her YOUR opinion? As if by it being yours it is correct and they should give it to her even though it is not their opinion? But I had noticed that this very kind and generous person phoney psychology-give a compliment to make the insult look sincere, and show the divide between what you claim she was to what you claim she is now, it does not work on rational moral thinking people who are not as stuck on the high opinion of you that you yourself are. *smirk* has becoming has become or is becoming -my spelling isn't so great, but I can keep my tenses strait more and more bitter in her posts. Geez you can take a hint, but you evidently STILL need to have it spelled out for you to understand it. I concluded YOU CONCLUDED don't flatter yourself, you are not some all knowing, all seeing little goddess that this man of your "dreams" was influencing this type of behavior in you. judging Patricia's actions by the only example you know, yourself? So you are saying that Patricia having a strong opinion about something you do not agree with is due to the fact that she is so emotionally insecure that she would abandon her own thoughts and beliefs and change them to what he believes just because she loves him? That for some reason which you are not making clear at all, she does not have the ability to think and reason on her own and is now required to think what he thinks and reason and use his logic over her own. Are you stating he demands she allow him to do her thinking for her, to dictate her thoughts and opinions?

This speaks volumes about how YOU think and how your mind works, it explains why you cannot come up with any arguments on your own but parrot the words of anti Clinton/Gore and pro Bush media. This is a good example of judging the actions of another by that which you, yourself act.

I can picture you in a small crowd of people, discussing politics, you speak loudly and constantly, seldom allowing someone else to get a word in, and when they do, you are tapping your toe, not listening to their words but thinking of what you will say next, as soon as you can force your way back into the center of attention. Totally ignorant of the eyes rolling and smirks being given in your direction. You have a lot to say, after all you have picked up some "good ones" from the media and have repeated them so many times you don't even have to think about what you are going to say. Of course there isn't an original thought from your own mind in the bunch, that would entail opening up your mind enough to think and reason which could cause you discomfort if in doing so logic dictated you were incorrect. But why bother, you have enough quips and clichés to choke a horse. And you could not possibly be wrong, your ego demands you must be right, after all you not only know everything, but know everything about everything.
Assuming you assume something, that boils down to fact for you too, it is so easy to put things (or people) in little boxes with labels so all you have to do is stick a person in a box and the label on the box tells you all you need to know about them.
Take it as you like, the gum under your shoe.
And others will take you as you show yourself, like the dog shit under your shoe, which smells the same as your pseudo apology.

Next we get your Jerry Springer guest persona;

Anita, you ignorant slut. You call her ignorant? And define slut here.... is that part of your moral republican conservative behavior? Is this what we are to expect from the party in power when they disagree with us, personal slander? Or are you defining Anita's character?
You seem to have a definite problem with women who appear to be sexually active and satisfied. Do you have a little problem with being frigid? Is that why you resent the females who have enough confidence in their sexuality that they feel free to address it publicly?
I think There you go thinking again, as if you actually believe anyone considers what you think of any importance. you lack so many qualities where do I begin? please do us a favor and don't even start. First, damn, you started anyway you are full of yourself. Why does it piss you off when a woman is confident in herself? Jealousy? Envy?

That post on "many women hate me because I had an easy childbirth" was just one example. Geeze get over yourself! That is normal social interplay between people who have gone through similar experiences, I probably would have told her I hated her for it if I had had the chance, after all, who wouldn't want to have easy labor and delivery instead of having your insides ripped out systematically over and over for hours, or as in my case, getting cut open across the belly with the anesthetic only working on one side. This is normal~sorry you cannot comprehend normal social interaction between females.... Women don't HATE you. Well, DUH!!! You do, but then you did say "women" though didn't you, so that didn't include you anyway. *smirk*
I couldn't believe you would think it, But of course you couldn't believe it, so it is just impossible, deary, you must be mistaken Anita.... let alone say it, let alone write it down for all eternity (or til the storage ran out(with a big toothed cheesy, knowing smile)). etc,etc, infinitely etc....*GROK*
I never heard any woman say anything close to that in any of my Lamaze classes. Well there you go!!! it must be absolutely true then that no woman has ever said that to another woman! And Anita is lying through her teeth!!! She just goes around telling EVERYONE not to hate her because she is so beautiful, although not one woman has EVER resented her for her looks, no man or woman has ever assumed she was brainless and used her good looks to get whatever she wanted instead of earning what she recieves.
You reminded me of that stupid advertisement, "Don't hate me because I'm beautiful"

BLINK ..BLINK.. DAMN BUT YOU ARE TRANSPARENT! You are the epitome of what I dislike in typical phony "social", non-ferminist women. If Anita has ever had to say "don't hate me because I'm beautiful" she probably had a pretty damn good reason for it. Too many superficial women hate beautiful women, just for being beautiful, for the same reasons some men are attracted to beautiful women and think the woman should be with them just because they want her. I've seen it many times, the pure hatred superficial women have over the looks of others. As if it is a personal affront to them. It exists, and it is real. But then Marie, you couldn't admit to being so shallow now could you? And since you have obviously never had that kind of problem, it does not exist, couldn't be any other reason it hasn't happened to you now could it? And I'll bet you're not prejudiced either are you? Some of your best friends are probably colored and I bet you even worked with one or two negro's in your day and they worked hard and did a good job, so if they can do it why can't all those people get their asses off of welfare and stop selling drugs and do it too? How very white of you! You parrot the party line on everything else, why stop at dictating the actions
for some hair color or other "feminine" product. Hair coloring as a "feminine" product? Or is that how YOU use it?

Now we get down to the really serious stuff, where you show your unique reasoning power and unquestionable superiority~~~~And a distinct similarity to Laura Lady Logic's personality. This is where you take what another says and put your own spin on it, twisting it around and manipulating it into what you want it to the audience to "see".

First you repeat what she had written, then you challenge the relevance of the question, next you avoid the question and end up telling the viewer how much better you are in the subject although it has nothing whatsoever to do with why she asked the question. Which of course you know full well, but this is where you manipulate the entire post into a subject she, you and I discussed..what?? a year ago? which has absolutely nothing to do with the content of this thread. But it does allow you the opportunity to show your audience your supposed superiority over her, at the same time allowing you to insult and belittle her. You finish up the paragraph by putting words in her mouth and insinuating she has the attitude that she believes her opinion is always right, period.
As I said, this shows a LOT about you and your attitudes and beliefs, you are description of her comes from your knowledge of yourself. God, you're boring, so pathetically common in your pettiness, and your way of twisting and manipulating what is said mixed with what has not been said, which you manage to insert anyway, is exactly what many of us find so disgusting with GWBush and the group who bullied him into office. You all use the same methods of manipulating "facts". You like to make statements as if by the mear stating of them they will become reality. Such as when they put Bush on TV accepting the office of president before it had been determined that he had legally won, causing the masses in their ignorance to believe he had been elected. This was done strictly as a method of manipulating the thinking of the American people. Unfortunately this country has gotten so lazy that large portions do not bother to think for themselves and sucked it up as fact when all it was was a form of mob mentality manipulation. Something the CIA is well known for doing. Just like the lie that Gore said he invented the internet. You claimed that piece of bullshit a few times yourself, never bothering to listen to the reports that told the truth that it was a reporter who had stated it, not Gore. Yet it continued to be repeated by Bush and his people when they knew it was a lie. Yes, they knowingly lied, over and over and like the doomers with a Paula Gorden "report", the repugs and Bush followers closed their minds to the facts and continued to perpetrate the lie. Exactly the same way you have done here, you tell your little opinion and "spin" it as if it were fact. Fortunately there are a lot more of us out here that do our own thinking and see you and your kind for what you really are. A bunch of phonies. And all this hatred you show for others, from Clinton to Anita and Patricia? It is nothing more than a symbol of your own self hatred. You are barely worth the bother to explain, except you are getting louder and more obnoxious every day. It's women like you that cause me to be insulted to be called a "typical" female. You, like Lady Logic, pretend friendship to gather personal information about someone else and later use it, usually publicly, to try to belittle them. You feel so little about your own person that you need to put someone else down to build yourself up.

Then you ask me how long ago I was in the military. What difference would it make? Ten, twenty, thirty, who cares? I still have more experience than you in military matters. But of course, you know better. You KNOW that society has changed since I was in. You KNOW that women should be in combat because… well, you know… and I don't. You who wouldn't recognize a mission if it bit you on the arse. What bullshit you tried to impose. Oh and my opinion doesn't count. Yours of course does.

Then you ask about my changing jobs "again". What does that mean? You didn't have a job for over two years. You still don't have a job. I was working Y2K. And since you know everything, then you know that on 1/1/00, Y2K jobs go away. BTW, I have never been unemployed, unlike you.

This is an analogy? Nope, just a bunch of garbage intended to distort what others have said. And it ain't even "cute". *yawn*

And finally let me make a Wild Wild West analogy. Pat comes blasting into the saloon, a gun in each hand. She asks "why don't you chicken liver yellow bellies tell my why the chicken crossed the road?" As people try to answer the question, she fires off rounds. Doc, backs her up with a shout, "you chicken memes, why can't you think for yourselves?" Maria had enough, she raises her shotgun and with Pat in the crosshairs, shoots. Hearing Pat's cries, Anita comes to the rescue, fists raised, bemoaning, "I left this saloon because you're so mean, Maria". The sheriff wants to hear from the witnesses before making an arrest.

Oh poor littel Maria, is be called a meanie, it's soo bad the "law" has to come in and decide the truth. Or should we say you are "trying" the the truth about you being a "meanie" in the court of public opinion?
You are such a joke.

-- Cherri (jessam5@home.com), February 11, 2001.


If Maria's hatred of Clinton is a symbol of her own self hatred, what is your hatred of Bush a symbol of?

Golly I love a good cat fight, I'm going for more popcorn, anyone else want any?

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), February 11, 2001.


Unk -

You get the popcorn. I'll keep score.

Pat - Right

Anita - Right

Cherri - Right

Maria - Wrong

Flint - Wrong

-- Debra (Thisis@it.com), February 11, 2001.


Cherri, when Maria said, "Anita you ignorant slut", it was a line from the original Saturday Night Live. Dan Akroyd would say it to Jane Curtin in one of the recurring skits (can't remember what it was....), "Jane, you ignorant slut". It was a take- off on the Point/Counterpoint kind of show and his rebuttal to her would start with that same line every time.

-- does anyone care that I'm still here..... (PatriciaS@lasvegas.com), February 11, 2001.


of course we do

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), February 11, 2001.

(I just think it's kind of funny, Unk. Normally, people wait until you leave the room before they talk about you.)

(I'm finding out so much about myself; well, sort of. According to Maria, I'm losing my sanity. According to Flint, I'm probably not. I wish someone would tell me so I'd know what action to take, if any.)

(Pass the popcorn please.)

-- this is better than the XFL..... (PatriciaS@lasvegas.com), February 11, 2001.


Patricia...what a wonderful attitude ya got about this, girl!! That in itself ought to change some hearts.

-- eve (eve_rebekah@yahoo.com), February 11, 2001.

Hey, Patricia!

-- Cherri (jessam5@home.com), February 11, 2001.

Patricia:

Unless you dream of miniature animals, you've probably got a handle on the sanity thing [although I, personally, find insanity a lot more fun.]

I really came to enjoy this thread. It got me thinking about how folks pick their mates, how others SEE the mates they pick, etc. My dad once told me a story about his first love. He was really young [maybe about 17] and still lived in Bergen. There was something about his choice that didn't sit well with his family. He never really went into what it was, but he made it clear that he'd never interfere with my choice. Some years later, I asked him what it was about mom that attracted him to the point of proposing. He said, "I loved her laugh." 53 years of marriage based on the love of a laugh.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), February 11, 2001.


Have you noticed pollys are just plain mean people?

There are no wise pollys for miles of this place.

From the Wisdom of the Ages

and when to mind your speech.



Experience teaches us that there is a small

but important difference between

keeping your chin up and sticking your neck out.


Caution:  Do not ask for advice, you might get it.


A lot of trouble in this world is caused

by combining a narrow mind with a wide mouth.


The person who toots his own horn

has everyone running to get out of the way.


Some people hold the key to the situation,

and then are too lazy to turn it.



A successful man is one who can earn

more money than his family can spend.


The mind is a scheme engine.


The trouble with these smart, modern pollys is

that they don't smart enough in the right places.


He who laughs last

probably intended to tell the story himself.


The early fish gets hooked for the same thing

the early bird gets credit for.


There is nothing remarkable about love at first sight.

It's when people have been looking at each other

for years that they become ugly. (Reminds me of forum members.)


The difference between a rut and a grave

is their dimensions.


Prayer is a time exposure of the soul to God.


There is just as much horse sense as ever,

but it seems like the horses have it all.


Luck is a lazy person's estimate of a worker's success.


Death is more universal than life;

everyone dies but not everyone lives.


A lot of people are smarter than they look,

. . .and they ought to be.


No one is as busy as the person who has nothing to do.


Say what you will about the devil,

...he's a hustler.




-- (Just@passing through.with guitar in hand), February 11, 2001.

Cherri, wow you said a mouth full, sorry I didn't find any of it coherent. Maybe you can break it up into chunks so my "littel" mind can absorb it.

Pat, sorry didn't know you were still in the room. Thought you left after Anita took over. Look as I said, I think you are a wonderful person but that you have been changing. Nothing to do with your mind or intelligence (I always thought you were intelligent), just to do with your behavior. Sorry, I speak my mind about my friends' mates if there's something wrong, unlike Anita's father. It seems we avoided each other since the thread on Bush's election. I guess I'll try to keep my opinions to myself. Truce?

Sorry Unk, cat fight over. Unless of course I start in again with Anita. She said she left this forum but I've seen her around alot these days, what's up with that?

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), February 12, 2001.


One other thing before I leave this thread, Pat. Next time Doc says, "ya dingbat, get the f*ck outta here" or something similar, don't get upset when I respond with "you mental drawf".

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), February 12, 2001.

Speaking of mental "drawfs", when is your "littel" mind going to learn to spell?

-- (maria's mouth moves @ faster. than brain), February 12, 2001.

Off

-- (clean@up.crew), February 12, 2001.

Cherri, where were you at 11:30 on Saturday night in the late 70s? Nevermind, but I'm surprised that you didn't recognize the "ignorant slut" line. It was a classic. Here is a typical Weekend Update script (with Point/Counterpoint) from 11/11/78. I can hear it now.

Dan Aykroyd: Hello. I'm "Weekend Update" Station Manager Dan Aykroyd. This week, the Shah of Iran declared martial law, in an attempt to put a stop to the violent writing which has paralyzed his country. The Shah is the subject of tonight's "Point/Counterpoint". Jane will take the Anti-Shah Point, and I will take the Pro-Shah Counterpoint. Jane?

Jane Curtin: Dan, I know exactly what you're going to say: "Jane, you ignorant slut! The Shah is our friend, he sent us oil during the 70's re-embargo. He's a fighter against Communism." Maybe so, Dan, but what happened to the human rights you scream about every time a Saranski gets sentenced to some Soviet jail? Why is it wrong to torture a dissident and freezing Siberian Gulag, but okay to wire a leftist student's genitals in a baking Tehran dungeon? I only hope that someday someone wires your genitals, Dan. Then you'll be singing a different tune!

Dan Aykroyd: Jane, you poor, misguided scrag! Sure, the Shah's a jerk, but he's all we've got! Just look at the map. To the north, the Soviet Union; to the east and west, Afghanistan and Iraq. Both leftist radical states; and in the south, the Persian Gulf. Any idiot can see that Iran would be a prized stepping stone in an eventual Soviet takeover of the world. And when that happens, Jane, those Cossacks will be coming over here with their broom handle, and we'll see how you'll feel then! Of course, you'd probably love it, you ignorant slut!

Jane Curtin: That's the news. Good night, and have a pleasant tomorrow.

-- Lars (larsguy@yahoo.com), February 12, 2001.


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