Jesus is life eternal! J. F. Gecik (jgecik@desc.dla.mil) responded to a message you left in the Catholic bboard: Subject: Response to Are catholics Christian? Alex, baby, you mean well, but you have lost touch with reality.

Obviously the answer to the question that you used to name this thread is "YES (with a capital 'C' in 'Catholics')."

While Catholics were and are the original Christians, the religious body to which you belong is, at most 484 years old -- and more likely less than 200. But we don't mind if you too call yourselves Christian. We are happy to share many beliefs with you, and we know that you too will be Catholics one day -- even if it is on the last day of your life. (Even those who hold out against conversion to the end become Catholics after death, because they find out that Catholicism was the Christian religion that Jesus founded.)

Man, Alex! That "testimony" sounded incredibly familiar. I was about to ask you if anti-Catholic fundamentalists have a special book with about 100 "stock phrases" from which they can choose 25 to 50 for their canned script -- phrases that we Catholics keep hearing over and over again.

But then, it turned out that I did not have to ask you that question. You accidentally left the answer on the screen:
"This page was generated by ezhomepg.cgi found at manny juan's script page."
Phony computerized fundamentalism. What will Old Nick think of next?

May God forgive you, chico.
John Greetings: Praise God for Cathy and others who desire Gods truth. Im not of man Im of God and in your own words Im saved because of Jesus Christ. If you had Gods Spirit you would know that he allowed this to happen. Jesus rose on the 3rd day how many souls agreed about Gods truth 3. I do not fear man I fear Him who can destroy both body and soul in hell. John you didnt once mention Gods word, those who know God will always speak according to His word wich gives eternal life in Jesus Christ. Those who follow John follow a man who does not have the Spirit of God. he like many is seperated from God because of his sins. Those who follow him and the catholic doctrine in ignorance may God have mercy on you, those who purposely teach false doctrine stand condemed. Jesus and eternal life or sin and satans way wich leads to death its up to you. I put this on here because there is a pattern when a soul speaks according to the Spirit of God they are slanderd. All the the knowledge in the world cant save you only Jesus can if you are disobediant to Gods word you are under the sway of the evil one. By Ggods grace he set me free, not Johns snide remarks of man. Im in the body of Christ because I came to God in Jesus name confessing my sins and He declared me rightous because of my clear concioness before God about sinning against Him. Gods word condemes the catholic doctrine and those who hold to it, unless you sincerly ask Jesus Christ into your hearts you will never know His truth and stand condemded. Jesus Christ has been there forever and John tells me my faith has only been there for 430 yrs, John doesnt know the God of Jesus Christ, unless he repents of his sins he never will. Romans 8:9-11 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you . And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. But if your if Christ is in you, your bodyis dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of rightousness. Whoever opposes this does not have Gods Spirit but is carnall, for a carnall mind is enmity against God. All the praying to priest, saints, dead people, beads, idols will never save you, nor set you free from sin Jesus alone can do this.Jesus loves you, the testimonies site wich John is speaking about I left there on purpose so that you can see others who have hope in Jesus, changed by him. Who has been around longer the earth or God? Is the catholic church of God? Or is it of the earth? Gods word says grass withers flowers fade away but the word of God abides forever, thats why Gods word is kept from catholics. Why did Jesus rebuke the religious leaders because they set aside Gods word for the sake of the their traditions. Who is the savior? Do you know him? Thats why im thankful for Jesus the authour and finisher of life.

-- AJr (Jesusislife@christianemail.com), January 16, 2001

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Greetings: i just wanted to say that the part at the top of the page was John referring to me that God may forgive me and chico, according to Gods word I am forgiven and saved from liers, demons, sin, thank you Jesus-also that John never speaks according to the Spirit wich is love,peace,joy,longsuffering, only a relationship with Jesus Christ can give you this. The acts of the sinful nature are obvious:sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idoltry and witchcraft; hatred discord, jeolosy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissenions, factions and envy; drunkeness, orgies and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who love like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. Jesus alone can set you he set Mary free the mother of James and Jesus. Mary is thankfulfor the savior just like all who have wrote about Jesus. Apostle Paul who seen Jesus, Paul the one that was in Rome aroun the same time Catholics say Peter was there yet Paul speaking by the holy Spirit never mention Peter visiting him Romans or anywhere. Paul called to preach to the gentiles, Peter called to preach to the Jews. Jews Jerusalem, Greeks Rome and those who arent physical Jews. Paul also rebuked Peter for Hypcrosy its all in Gods wonderul word. Jesus saves

-- AJR follower of Jesus (Jesusislife@christianemail.com), January 16, 2001.

Jesus saves: i just wanted to say that the part at the top of the page was John referring to me that God may forgive me and chico, according to Gods word I am forgiven and saved from liers, demons, sin, thank you Jesus-also that John never speaks according to the Spirit wich is love,peace,joy,longsuffering, only a relationship with Jesus Christ can give you this. The acts of the sinful nature are obvious:sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idoltry and witchcraft; hatred discord, jeolosy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissenions, factions and envy; drunkeness, orgies and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who love like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. Jesus alone can set you he set Mary free the mother of James and Jesus. Mary is thankfulfor the savior just like all who have wrote about Jesus. Apostle Paul who seen Jesus, Paul the one that was in Rome aroun the same time Catholics say Peter was there yet Paul speaking by the holy Spirit never mention Peter visiting him Romans or anywhere. Paul called to preach to the gentiles, Peter called to preach to the Jews. Jews Jerusalem, Greeks Rome and those who arent physical Jews. Paul also rebuked Peter for Hypcrosy its all in Gods wonderul word. Jesus saves

-- AJR follower of Jesus (Jesusislife@christianemail.com), January 16, 2001.

Dear Alex-- You don't have much faith in Jesus at all. He promised His Church that He would be with it ''All days-- even to the end of the world.''

Yet you maintain the Church of the Holy Apostles was not able to survive these 2,000 years, without going ''carnal.''

Take a visit then, to Saint Peter's Basilica, Rome. Go and discover how Christ's promise was kept to His Church. See how His name is above ALL names, in the Church of Peter, our first Pope! See the enormous happiness and love all Christians have for His Vicar on earht, John Paul II-- a great and holy man! What's the matter with you, Alex? Go investigate. You were brought up in a family of eight who knew Jesus' Church. Why did you abandon them and Jesus Christ? To be a Jimmy Swaggert? A Jimmy Bakker? A Morris Cerullo? Why not just be Alex again; the child Jesus loved?

-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), January 17, 2001.

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Alex has assimilated my e-mail address in order to use it in our forum. This is something unexpected. Is it an accident of our server here iin Greenspun; or is it intentional? I'm not that strong on how the search engine works. --? If it's intentional, then Alex is having fun with me. Or being dishonest; a blot on his character to go with his other sins.

-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), January 17, 2001.

I hope that it was a one-time joke, Eugene, because it was deliberate. He obviously was pretending to be you, but I knew that it was phony, because you know how to spell the word "response" [not "responds"]. I think that he is just a junior high school kid.

If Alex does that again, here or on another thread, you probably should write to the Forum's Moderator about it. (I will give you his name and e-mail address privately, if you need it.) As you know, I have done some inappropriate things here, but I have never signed off with another contributor's name and e-mail address -- with an intent to deceive.

God bless you.
John

-- J. F. Gecik (jgecik@desc.dla.mil), January 17, 2001.

Have you anything useful to add to the thread. ''withheld''o@o? Besides a slap at John? Why are you worried that we might see your real name?

-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), January 18, 2001.

Thank you so much, "withheld" (whose real name I believe I know), for that profoundly vicious, amazingly unjustified, self-contradictory, and unhelpful comment.
I have never crossed any "line of deception" -- unless you want to call posting messages anonymously a "deception" -- in which case you have just "deceived" us all by posting anonymously!!!
I have posted exactly 700 messages here as "J. F. Gecik (jgecik@desc.dla.mil). That is more messages than anyone else has posted in the three years of this forum, as the s tatistics page will show you. I have broken my back here for you and others. Have you done the same? For the most part, I have not shied away from controversy. I have left myself open to public (and private e-mail) ridicule -- and also to friendly private conversation -- at least as much as anyone else. I'll be darned if I'm going to take any criticism from an anonymous and illogical person like you today.

Under special circumstances, I have posted about 150 messages anonymously -- but not to "manipulate discussions." I now regret having posted those messages anonymously, particularly because some of them were done in anger and with a mean spirit. I have apologized for them and confessed my sins. That is why I criticized myself just now, saying that I had done some inappropriate things here. Since I just accused myself, it is the most gutless and offensive thing imaginable for you to further criticize me -- and anonymously, to boot. Please don't make a habit of "kicking a man when he is down."

I have not posted an anonymous message here since the first week of December, and I intend never to post another anonymous message here. I have never posted any message under the name "atila," so don't assume that you understand the situation fully, because you don't.

Finally, what Alex did -- if it was not a joke -- is of a class by itself, much worse than anything I ever did. I never posted a message with another REAL person's name and e-mail address attached, stating something that that other real person would never have stated. Alex did just that. Please put your "thinking cap" on and realize the huge difference. Where the heck do you come off, accusing me of "judging" Alex. I gave the poor kid the benefit of the doubt, suggesting that he may have done it as a joke, but letting him know by the spirit and letter of my words that he had better avoid the same action in the future.

All right. Let's move on. I ask God to bless you.
John

-- J. F. Gecik (jgecik@desc.dla.mil), January 18, 2001.

Just a note to ''with held''o@o-- John Geck hasn't tried to manipulate any discussion. He mostly supplies answers to many questions others ask. Usually with a documentary source, or a biblical cross-reference and the proper Catholic interpretation. Is it the Church's interpretation in John's message's that has been the motive for your apparent animosity? Why blame the messenger? By your feeble attack on him, you show just how shallow you are. I hope you have the class to apologise to him.

-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), January 18, 2001.

--And I should have enough class to apologise for calling you ''Geck'', John! Gecik, --GECIK ! ! ! -Haha!

-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), January 18, 2001.

Don't worry about it, Eugeen.
(Thanks for your support!) JFG

-- J. F. Gecik (jgecik@desc.dla.mil), January 18, 2001.

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Eugene,

I let the prior post from Alex (8/13) stand trying to be "just" to him as he originated the thread prior to having his fate sealed on this board, but if people respond to him in an antagonizing fashion, it would similarly seem "unjust" to let their posts stand and not his rebuttals.

Therefore, I have deleted both his prior benign post, and your reply.

Moderator]

-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), August 14, 2001.

Top.

-- moderator ("catholic_moderator@hotmail.com"), August 14, 2001.

Can't complain, Moderater. The title of the thread is infalammatory. Wish IT were gone.

-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), August 14, 2001.

Dear Moderator,
The only people who have posted on this thread are Alex, Eugene, and me.
If I am understanding Gene's last statement correctly, he would not mind if the entire thread were deleted.
I "second" that motion. (I don't think that Alex deserves a vote.)
Please feel free to "deep six" this useless crud.
God bless you.
JFG

-- (jgecik@amdg.ihs), August 14, 2001.

John,

I appreciate your and Eugene's feelings on this, but this thread was started before we started the (slightly) more rigid enforcement of deleting threads for content.

When I first posted the "moderator's note", I said I wouldn't be deleting things retroactively, and I feel I should live up to that. Hopefully, this thread will fade back into obscurity in a week, and not be heard from again.

-- moderator ("catholic_moderator@hotmail.com"), August 14, 2001.

Yes, we understand. The best recourse is not to post in it; nor the other ones being presently invaded by wall-to-wall biblical quotation. Madison somebody. I won't.

-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), August 14, 2001.