" This is the true joy in life-being used for a purpose recognized by yourself as a mighty one; being thoroughly worn out before you are thrown on the scrap heap; being a force of nature instead of a feverish selfish little clod of ailments and grievances"

George Bernard Shaw

I like this qoute because it is the way I have lived my life. Fortunately, I can say that I take action on my beliefs. I have been involved in some "crusades" which bore fruit. I write to my members of congress. I am involved in my community through attending town meetings. This is not to toot my horn, it is just to say that, whatever your beliefs, even if they are diametrically opposed to mine, I would hope you pursue them vigorously, and not just talk about them.

All the political rhetoric, the junk science, and tax protester stuff of the last few weeks made me post this qoute.(Syd made me do it, really).

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), January 04, 2001

Answers

FS, I disagree. The true joy in life is to be a feverish selfish little clod of ailments and grievances.

-- (nemesis@awol.com), January 04, 2001.

Nemesis,

I disagree. The true joy in life is to be an opinionated egotistical feverish selfish little clod of ailments and grievances.

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), January 04, 2001.

Not bad for a guy who's 11-3. :-)

>> All the political rhetoric, the junk science, and tax protester stuff of the last few weeks made me post this <<

Actually, the tenor of Unk's has been so unrelentingly right-wing and (dare I say it?) reactionary that I have been considering moving on (as have others before me, such as Anita). The "dialogue" appears to have become more futile than not and I do not enjoy being treated like a tin duck in a shooting gallery or like a stop sign in rural Alabama.

If I do kick out of the traces and head for the hills, your persona will be one of those I will miss most. I wonder what the regulars will do with themselves when there are no liberals or moderates left here to heap abuse on? Wait. Who am I kidding? They'll just heap abuse on each other. As Empedocles said, character is destiny.

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), January 04, 2001.

Brian:

You have to admit that W has brought the country together and there are now no hard feelings. On the other had someone torched his boat Arson

Ok, maybe I was wrong with the "bringing the country together thing" *<))

Best Wishes,,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), January 04, 2001.

Brian, sure you enjoy it. Would you want to be on a forum where everyone agrees with you? Preaching to the choir, how boring. Think of Unk's as a missionary thinks of a country of "savages" who have not yet received the Word. God wants you to enlighten the benighted reactionaries who reside here. We may not always be appreciative but you know you are doing God's work.

Anyone know where Anita hangs these days?

-- (larsguy@yahoo.com), January 04, 2001.

Brian,

I think it would be a shame if you pulled up stakes and moved on,just as I am sorry Anita vamoosed.If all the moderates and lefties evacuate, the flavor of the melting pot is diminished and to me that is one of the beauties of the forum,just as I believe it to be one of the beauties of America,diversity is a strength not a weakness.

And all in exchange for what? a world full of agreeance? where we all pat each other on the backs 24/7? To me it is better to vehemently argue while at the same time agree that at the end of the day we can sit and drink a beer and be Americans pure and simple,people who are all going their seperate ways *together*,rejoicing in our differences instead of becoming complacent in our commonality.

I hope you stay Brian,I for one do not like a bland stew.

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), January 04, 2001.

Brian, you said,

Actually, the tenor of Unk's has been so unrelentingly right-wing and (dare I say it?) reactionary that I have been considering moving on

Really? I thought I'd fall into the right-wing side of the spectrum, and people sure don't agree with ME. :-)

It's pretty "cool" to be a leftist SOMEwhere,

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), January 04, 2001.

Brian:

Actually, there is a current thread quite intelligently discussing the nature of taxation and suggesting (and discussing) various alternatives. Why not join in more, rather than lament the mindlessness of the tax protesters? With almost no effort, you can tune them out.

I doubt anyone expects anyone else here to swoon in abject appreciation of their brilliance. Not even yours. I notice you aren't shy about dishing it out, but then you recoil in horror when your efforts are reciprocated. You are quick to call others right-wing reactionaries, whose character is to be abusive and who just can't help it. But when anyone questions your perfection, why, you stick your tail between your legs and whine about "being treated like a tin duck in a shooting gallery"! Our failure to respect your double standard is just intolerable, right?

Yes, the political rhetoric gets a bit thick. I wouldn't mind except the pictures take so long to load. Nearly all of those pictures are mocking Bush, but somehow these glaring exceptions to your "unrelenting" pattern just don't get noticed for some reason. How very curious.

As a suggestion, try making your own points and defending them, rather than crying that mean people are treating you shabbily. Even the most mindless tax protesters are willing to give and take like grown-ups.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), January 04, 2001.

Lars, I'm not sure Anita is currently hanging in cyberspace. She has a lot of work to do in college, and it's a lot more fun having debates in person, so I suspect she's reserving her energy for those face-to-face encounters. She has written on several boards that she has moved on. You could always email her or leave a message on her People are people EZ board (No, I don't have the url).

-- (kb8um8@yahoo.com), January 04, 2001.

Flint:

Even the most mindless tax protesters are willing to give and take like grown-ups.

Really; according to my records I have seen the article [something about two ex-IRS agents] posted more than 127 times since 1997 without further comment from the poster.

Best Wishes,,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), January 04, 2001.

Well said capn. Brian I always read your posts and often learn from them (altho it pains me to admit this). I especially have enjoyed the long shoot-outs between you and Flint.

But if you truly feel that uncomfortable here then I guess you should move on to wherever the right-thinkers go. I don't mind be called a reactionary but I did not appreciate "Anita's" reference to Fascists. I put her name in quotes because I still don't believe she wrote that. If she did, then good-riddance to her.

-- Lars (larsguy@yahoo.com), January 04, 2001.

Playing the role of don Quixote, each with our own twists & eccentricities, can be fun - no, SHOULD be fun. I say have at it. Just don't forget to smile periodically along the journey. And please tip your waitress.

As an experienced dumpster diver, I know all too well that one person's garbage is another's valuable asset. This applies to communications also. Personally, I don't see much of value here, which is why I rarely check in any more. This has nothing to do with political bent and everything to do with the offerings of the participants. I'm sick to death of anons. What else is new?

If anyone cares to recommend a forum or two where discussion and debate approaches that of last year's *Uncensored* - prior to October - please send me an email with the URL(s). Thank you very much.

Brian, I'm not sure why you've hung on here this long. I want you to know I have greatly appreciated your contributions over the past couple of years. I will always think of you as one of Ken's thoughtful pessimists (chuckle). And more appropriately a man who incorporates his heart's guidance into his being AND is not shy in revealing this through his writing.

Best -

-- Rich (howe9@shentel.net), January 04, 2001.

Lars:

People are People

No one seems to be posting there.

Best Wishes,,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), January 04, 2001.

Brian,

I would miss you. Sure we disagree on many things political, and many of the posters here are to the right of center, but as Cappy pointed out so well, we need yin to balance the yang.

-- feverish selfish little clod (unkeed@yahoo.com), January 04, 2001.

>> Brian, sure you enjoy it. Would you want to be on a forum where everyone agrees with you? <<

Lars, it isn't so much a matter of agreement vs. disagreement, but of tone. In the Congress, there is a reason why speakers traditionally refer to their opponents as "my distinguished colleague from X", instead of "that imbecile over there who couldn't find his ass in the dark if he used both hands."

A certain amount of decorum is needed to grease the wheels of discourse. This applies equally well to the trashy anti-Bush trolling that has been going on here, mostly in the form of doctored-up pictures, as it does to the nasty verbal sniping done by Ain't and Barry. The habit of demonizing one's opponents has taken over this forum so completely that no one can be heard over the hooting and japing.

And no, I do not enjoy constantly being shrunken down to a stereotype. From being stereotyped it is a hop, skip and a jump to being dehumanized, then demonized, then scorned. What fun! If this were occasional, then I could overlook it and get on with the discussion. But it isn't occasional, it is the rule with few exceptions.

I can't fool myself that my participation changes anyone's mind. Even the most civil of those I disagree with rarely acknowledge the slightest merit in any of the points I have made. Instead, each and every point must be challenged, defeated and dismissed. No compromise is possible. The aim seems to be total conquest and total submission - a jihad.

While I may have earned a bit of grudging respect for myself as a person, any such respect has been rigorously witheld from any opinion of mine that was not already accepted beforehand. Under those rules of engagement, what is the point? It becomes war for the sake of warfare, not for any rational end.

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), January 04, 2001.

By my reckoning, there are Nazis who could rightly claim to have lived according to Shaw's ideal. Is it really a life "well lived" to have worked very hard doing very bad things?

Brian,

A glass for your whine? This forum can be rather rough and tumble, but times are tough all over... particularly for the Greens. While Flint and others may not share your political views, there is usually a grudging respect for a solid, well-reasoned argument... from some regulars.

To your credit, you can parse a sentence and seem fairly well read. A clever paragraph and a keen literary reference, however, do not earn you any free passes... as Flint and I learned on the old TB 2000 forum.

I have enjoyed enough of your posts to regret your potential departure. I also hope you are something more than a "parlor pink," St. Brian. It is getting more and more difficult to find leftists to quibble with these days.

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@att.net), January 04, 2001.

Rich,

Obviously you haven't abandoned the board completly and lurk often enough to join in when compelled(as per this thread).So what gives? On one hand you say you don't want to reside where there are so many anon's(everyone is really anon on the net) but yet you say you'd rather not post at all,I don't GI?

Seems to moi,in my simplistic way of looking at things,that the best way to combat what you disdain is to counter it with what you wish to convey.Kinda like that living by that example thing,just call it a cyber-example,maybe that would be a good way to affect changes you seem to desire.There is no utopian playground that will suit us all,all of the time : )

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), January 04, 2001.

Brian,

And do explain how "decorum" functioned on the old TB 2000?

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@att.net), January 04, 2001.

Ken:

As I remember it, Invar served as Miss Manners. *<))

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), January 04, 2001.

>> As a suggestion, try making your own points and defending them, rather than crying that mean people are treating you shabbily. <<

Flint, it is typical of you to imply that meanness and shabbiness are totally irrelevant to the process of making points and defending them. This is the creed of a street fighter, where fairness is irrelevant because everything is fair. Did I sucker punch you? So what? Go run to mama before I lay my boot upside your head, you crybaby.

When I am treated meanly and shabbily, it matters to me. Why wouldn't it? If my only recourse is to become meaner and shabbier than my opponent, then I am going to step back from that arms race at some point. The Golden Rule means something to me, even if I do not always keep it, and just giving myself permission to get down and dirty will just make me dirty and get me down.

As for your implication that I regularly dish out doses of nastiness, but I can't stand to have my own delicate toes stepped on... I suppose I can only stand by my record and let others decide if this is a fair characterization, or just a dollop of shit. I'll abide by that jury.

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), January 04, 2001.

In my long held tradition of talking to myself, I will continue. Brian makes a good point in his characterization of his treatment. Looked to me like personal attacks rather than an attempt to discuss ideas. And I am not limiting that characterization to the moron class like RA.

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), January 04, 2001.

Rich--

I have noticed your absence but am glad to know you still lurk. I thought maybe you had left due to some very hostile, anonymous attacks on you awhile back. I would not have blamed you.

Brian--

I hope you hang around a while. This place needs to redefine itself now that the election is past. Let's give it a chance. If it doesn't shape up, I'm outta here too altho I don't know where. I know I don't want to be on a forum that is totally conservative.

Z--

Thanks for the link. I had forgotten about Anita's EZ Board forum. I have never liked the EZ Board format, no matter who participates. I prefer Greenspun. I like to scroll past everyone's answers and I don't enjoy the cutesy, flashing emoticons. I'm afraid they will give me grande mal seizures.

All--

Yeah, I don't like the trashy stuff here either. It would be great to have an uncensored forum that is not abused. I'm not sure that is possible.

-- Lars (larsguy@yahoo.com), January 04, 2001.

>> a glass for your whine <<

So happy you could make it, Ken, to brighten my day. If this is supposed to be reverse psychology - umm, it's not working. It kinda reinforces my premise.

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), January 04, 2001.

Brian,

You seem used to being the smartest kid in the class. Your style is less building an argument and more coming from the Mount with the Truth as writ large onto stone tablets. You are nice, perhaps to the point of having a bit of a Messiah complex. I enjoy your sense of humor, but some might find it mocking at times.

For one, I am willing to consider cogent liberal arguments. If you plan on convincing anyone, I respectfully suggest you will have to work a bit harder. More grit, less glib.

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@att.net), January 04, 2001.

Yeah, I don't like the trashy stuff here either. It would be great to have an uncensored forum that is not abused. I'm not sure that is possible.

Lars,

I have actually been surprised that this place has not been overly abused. I have not had to delete anything, my Sheriff activities have been limited to HTML repairs so far.

I guess that if people know that you will not silence them they "behave" to a greater extent than they might if they felt that they are being singled out for censorship. Yes the place gets messy and cluttered at times, but that is a small price to pay for the ability to speak your mind.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), January 04, 2001.

Am I on the left or the right?

-- a very worried helen (b@r.f), January 04, 2001.

Helen, your considerable charms make you nonpartisan in my book.

Unk, it seems we have lost the Lady Logic/CPR-type forum dominators, at least for now. I find the tax protestors and other fringe posters mildly entertaining. It does seem a shame that we don't have a few more the EZB lunatics visiting more often.

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@att.net), January 04, 2001.

capn,

I visited Bok's last night for the 1st time in a good while. I enjoyed discussion, debate, disagreement - all of it civil, much of it interesting TO ME. I learned, I shared, I cared for those involved. I had a blast. I retired for the evening satiated, my hunger for communion more than satisfied. I, I, I. Enlightened self- interest. This is at the heart of everything I do.

I continue to drop in here as I did on Uncensored towards the end of its life in hopes I will find a community, however disjointed on the whole, in which I can provide an occasional puzzle piece, receive feedback, be introduced to different angles from which I can approach issues of interest, have my imagination stimulated. It ain't happening.

Perhaps my capability to suffer fools gladly has shrunken to microscopic levels. I no longer have the desire to wade through layer after layer of crap posted by people with sigs that change with every new breath. When I read a Lars' (or Eve, FS, you, Unk, flora, Brian, Flint, Patricia, Cin, AB...) post I do so taking into consideration all that I have read from him/them over months & years. Context. Familiarity. I carry small pieces of these folks within me. I know a few voices, a few faces, locations, spouses names, illnesses, kids, hobbies, etc. This is a beautiful thing.

Community.

I perceive anons with revolving handles as two-dimensional. Presumably they have hearts and souls but I can't seem to find them. Combine this with the typical hit and run postings crafted with every ounce of their 7-year-old mentalities and you begin to understand from whence I come. These people have every right to play games, to foul threads with inanities, to spew partisan bullshit, to reveal themselves to be as the goldfish who live in tiny unsanitary bowls fouled with years of bodily elimination. They swim in their own shit and don't even know it - or just don't care. Worse, they sling their shit at others and call it the finest fragrance.

Lastly, I realize I have contributed next to nothing in the way of new threads for quite some time. Anita (I miss her presence greatly) chided me this past summer for my lack of stewardship on Uncensored. She was correct & I made the effort to create new threads.

FWIW, the fact is I faced the prospect of homelessness the past few months. Two last minute one-month lease extensions kept a roof over my head in November and December. It wasn't until Christmas Eve that I secured new shelter with a lease good through this coming spring. So I've been a bit preoccupied.

Flint, I read Brian's posts and do not see what you see. I do not understand your harangues precipitated by, as you call it, his whining. I've had a few folks ask me what the source of your bitterness is with regards to Brian. I tell them I haven't the foggiest notion. Could it be your frustration with the Rangers front office and their utter lack of understanding that pitching wins championships?

-- Rich (howe9@shentel.net), January 04, 2001.

Ken--

Surely you jest. CPR nearly destroyed this place last September or thereabouts. Not even "Ain't" has come close to CP[R's obsessive posting at that time. And I don't rule out the possibility that "ain't" is CPR.

-- Lars (larsguy@yahoo.com), January 04, 2001.

Z,

I like it. Mind if I talk to myself in parallel?

Brian,

Looking up to the Purpose of the thread, why did you post this here instead of starting a new thread for yourself? I've sidetracked a few threads myself, but usually it's AFTER the thread has gone somewhere in its original direction.

Is there a connection between your original post and the thread topic that I missed?

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), January 04, 2001.

"I've sidetracked a few threads myself, but usually it's AFTER the thread has gone somewhere in its original direction."

PURPOSE

PORPOISE

-- flora (***@__._), January 04, 2001.

Back to the original subject: The purpose of life is to provide food for worms. We are the livestock tolerated by the worlds dominant species; worms, bacteria, fungi and insects. Everything else is folly. Anon

Best Wishes,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), January 04, 2001.

Fauna,

WHALE.

WAIL.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), January 04, 2001.

[Sheepishly:]

FS, I didn't mean to hijack your thread. Sorry. I just found over the past month that I was not much enjoying visiting Unk's. (Nothing against you, Unk D. When your name is in the forum title, it is hard to avoid the personal reference.)

Rich, let's just say that the animosity between myself and Flint has been earned several times over. The truth is that I find few of his actual opinions to be antagonizing. But I have found his methods and his mannerisms to be well beyond the border of acceptability and consistantly flirting with verbal abuse and intellectual dishonesty.

Flint may be superficially polite, but in my view he is a bully through and through. I spent most of my childhood being psychologically bullied by my older brother (who, believe me, is just as smart as Flint). Grow up with it in your face every day and you get to know it and recognize it and despise it. When Flint pushed, I pushed back.

He apparently sees it merely as a contest of who can flatten the other verbally. For Flint, this is a legitimate pastime, a harmless recreation with little or no larger meaning. But the tricks he pulls raise my hackles and no mistake. For me there is nothing harmless in it. Since my only presence on this forum and in this community are my words, I take it very ill to have my words twisted, distorted and undercut as if they were a fly to pull the wings off of. I was the first to put my dislike on a personal footing. I did it publically. I don't like his personality or his persona as revealed on this forum and I don't mind who knows. He is merely responding in kind - and in character.

Ken, study the difference in approach between your first "glass of whine" reply and your second "messiah complex" reply. There is nothing in that second reply I find offensive. We could trade barrages on that level all day without your inflicting an iota of personal distress. However, your first reply was the very model of nasty intellectual bullying. It was beneath your better nature.

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), January 04, 2001.

Whoa. What happened to my thread? Well, it is not really my thread- every thread is OUR thread. Anyway, I have had some feelings of "what's the use" myself, lately. I have had thoughts of moving on, but I will definately stay. In all my months here, it is a rare occassion when I have heard anyone, including myself, change their position in the middle of a thread based on new information from an opponent in the debate.

The forum has been in danger of becoming all black and white; at least in legislatures there are moderates, folks who "vote" based on the subject matter at hand and not necessarily party line. We, for better or worse, are a group, at least many of us, of extremists; I think the idea best served for all of us is this:

All of us contain within us a degree of all possibilities-an example would be this-if someone said to me that I "do not have a conservative bone in my body" they would be wrong. Conversely, if someone were to say Barry did not have a "liberal" bone in his body, THEY would be wrong.

I think that there is a part of me in all those who oppose my positions, and a part of mt opponents within me. I stay here as I know that it changes me at some level for the better-even if it is to learn how dark my "dark" side can be. One of my favorite sayings is "nothing is wasted in this universe"-matter is neither created, nor destroyed. I cannot come here and leave unchanged-listening to those who diametrically oppose my point of view, which at a conscious level may appear to my to be an exercise in futility, really is not. I learn what other people think-and open-mindedness is key.

Rich came closest to my feelings, in a real way there is a part of every one of you in me, and I am in everyone of you-get used to it. I am here to stay, because the weirdness always abates. When CPR went haywire, I suggested those of us who pray should pray. Whatever he had to work through, he worked through. It is amazing to see people morph and change-amazing to see the cycles of anons and fringies-same thing happened at the beginning of uncensored. This too shall pass.

Have a good night all.

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), January 04, 2001.

Decker, we're both having a good day. The lackey, Poole finally admitted that he has known all along that the misapplied income tax is illegal and a violation of our constitution. Now, if I can just get him to confess why he steers the public to sites that try to hide that fact, we might make even more progress.

You, on the other hand, can at least plea ignorance. (so far)

FS, Thanks for bringing it up; I really do like fun with a purpose.

Helen, when we group hug, will you bang Decker and Pooles heads together? (And put some tape over Flints mouth)

-- KoFE (your@town.USA), January 04, 2001.

KoFE:

Now, if I can just get him to confess why he steers the public to sites that try to hide that fact, we might make even more progress.

From the use of the word Z1X4Y7@aol.com), January 04, 2001.

Lime, please go away.

-- David L (bumpkin@dnet.net), January 04, 2001.

Sorry, Brian, but I had not thought your feelings so fragile. Perhaps I am a bit thick-skinned given my time on TB 2000. Of course, you were there and on the spinoff forum. I wonder, Brian, how it is that you were so tolerant of both places... and find this rather mild forum so disturbin? There is a difference, I suppose, between the arena and the box seats.

FS, I was a bit disappointed when you faded away on the welfare issue.

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@att.net), January 04, 2001.

David L:

That lime is for you.

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), January 04, 2001.

Lime green? Funny, it was blue on my browser.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), January 04, 2001.

Oh, immaculate virgin, my eyes behold a heavenly rainbow, a prism of light surrounding a cartoon of words. Dear Lady, please reveal all.

Help, help, I am wiggin' out. Before me a forum unfolds, implodes, scolds itself scalding.

I reload, prepared to disappear.

-- (nemesis@awol.com), January 04, 2001.

Unc:

You are probably using Netscape. Upgrade to IE5.x so you can be annoyed too.

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), January 04, 2001.

Ken-things came up-reprint that url and I will respond.

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), January 04, 2001.

No, it must be some sort of genetic defect, since I use IE5.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), January 04, 2001.

I like you, Brian.

-- helen (b@r.f), January 04, 2001.

FS,

Cool,your last post about summed it for me too,except for mayhaps leaving the board,I couldn't quite put my finger on it,thanks.

I have changed my stance on a couple things,although I won't say which ones and feel like the board has added something positive to my life,even though at times I might be dis-heartened during a down cycle.Either way it is FUN,good/bad,thick or thin it's excellent entertainment and downright stimulating at times,not to mention a great outlet for a world(at least mine sometimes)that is entirely too friggin' serious.

While I enjoy the serious discussions and debates I truly do love the community aspect that Rich referrs to,only I think it *is* here,to me this place mirrors real life to a large degree,only in a more concentrated way.It seems to a large extent we get back only what we put into it.

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), January 05, 2001.

Cap'n,

I agree. My mindlessly arguing with Flint over Klinton has gotten me to reread the Constitution, and probably taken me back 20 years. Fun & internally useful, if pointless to others.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), January 05, 2001.

We were listening to the latest recession talk on NPR this morning. I asked my husband "...if a Republican in the Whitehouse always seems to be accompanied by a recession, how does a Republican ever get elected?" He said it's because all the straight-laced conservatives are afraid the Democrats are either not Christian enough, or they're too Christian because they try to feed the poor and take care of the homeless, etc.

-- helen (b@r.f), January 05, 2001.

Not only do I appreciate the community here but the discussions here have frequently led me to research an issue to inform myself before opening my yap. Also, the opinions here have influenced my own opinions frequently. No, there have bee no sea-change, but definitly a broader view.

Now, if you ladies would only publish more pics, then I would have an even broader view./

-- Lars (larsguy@yahoo.com), January 05, 2001.

Either way it is FUN,good/bad,thick or thin it's excellent entertainment and downright stimulating at times,not to mention a great outlet for a world(at least mine sometimes)that is entirely too friggin' serious.

So capn said ^^^^ and so I agree wholeheartedly. A world that is too friggin serious.

Now, IF I could only figgure out if I'm an abuser or rightwinger.

Wrings hands and proclaims "which am I?"

-- sumer (shh@aol.con), January 05, 2001.

Flint, do you brush all the enamel off your teeth? When you make a point it is so correct there isn't any flavor. We are human and enjoy different tastes. You may find life a pleasant place if the people in your life are included rather than analyzed.

Your "win's" seem so lonely?

-- name (anass@okwithit.com), January 06, 2001.