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-- (test@test.here), December 24, 2000

Answers

(Wow -- good one!)

And I need to add Paula Poundstone and A. Whitney Brown to my list of favorites.

-- (testing@gain.here), January 14, 2001.


Don't know when this was written, but it's appropriate for this thread:

An interesting place to work

Can you imagine working at the following Company? It has a little over 500 employees with the following statistics:

29 have been accused of spousal abuse
7 have been arrested for fraud
19 have been accused of writing bad checks
117 have bankrupted at least two businesses
3 have been arrested for assault
71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
8 have been arrested for shoplifting
21 are current defendants in lawsuits
In 1998 alone, 84 were stopped for drunk driving

Can you guess which organization this is?

Give up?

It's the 535 members of your United States Congress. The same group that perpetually cranks out hundreds upon hundreds of new laws designed to keep the rest of us in line.

-- (testing@gain.here), January 17, 2001.


pleas from such conservative notables as former President George Bush Senior and Orrin Hatch that the law be kept intact, the Supreme Court struck down the portion of the Americans with Disabilities Act which provides for monetary damages against persons with disabilities who've suffered employment discrimination on the basis of 11th Amendment "states' rights." Those suffering discrimination would still be able to sue for injunctive relief or file EEOC complaints, but this is extremely BAD news and an in-my-view TERRIBLY UNJUST. Other parts of the ADA remain, but much of Titles II and III are eviscerated by the latest states' rights decision of the Rehnquist Court. As any of you who know me are aware, I feel devastated by this decision.

        Despite pervasive evidence of disability discrimination including forced institutionalization and sterilization, deprivation of parental and educational rights and employment discrimination, Rehnquist said (erroneously) that disability discrimination is not as pervasive as racial discrimination and that the ADA's remedies were not proportional with the discrimination.  Scalia, Kennedy, O'Connor and Thomas joined in this decision.

In his dissent Breyer vehemently dissented, lamenting that, ``The court ... improperly invades a power that the Constitution assigns to Congress.'' Breyer specifically is referring to the 14th Amendment equal protection clause.

Please e-mail me when you have a chance if you are concerned with this decision and desire to find out where we can go from here to repairing the damage done to the Constitution by this grievous decision. Feel free to forward this e-mail to others concerned about disability rights. We need to make sure that this is not the end of disability rights, but the beginning of a new movement to secure them in a way that courts cannot overrule.

Daniel Davis

Daniel Davis
UC Berkeley DSU  Vice President

Wednesday February 21 12:29 PM ET
Justices Limit Disability Law

By LAURIE ASSEO, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court limited the reach of the Americans With Disabilities Act, ruling Wednesday that state workers cannot file employment-discrimination lawsuits against their employers under the federal disability-rights law.

The 5-4 ruling, a further cutback of the federal government's power over the states, said Congress exceeded its authority when it let state workers file claims seeking monetary damages under the 1990 law.

The federal law does not trump states' 11th Amendment immunity against being sued in federal courts, the justices said.

``We decide here whether employees of the state of Alabama may recover money damages by reason of the state's failure to comply with the (employment discrimination) provisions of Title 1 of the Americans With Disabilities Act. We hold that such suits are barred by the 11th Amendment,'' Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist wrote for the court.

The ruling in an Alabama case added to the court's series of decisions that have increasingly tipped the federal-state balance of power toward the states.
Those decisions have all featured the same 5-4 split among the justices, and that lineup was repeated in Wednesday's decision.

Joining Rehnquist were Justices Sandra Day O'Connor (news - web sites), Antonin Scalia (news - web sites), Anthony M. Kennedy and Clarence Thomas (news - web sites). Dissenting were Justices John Paul Stevens (news - web sites), David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg (news - web sites) and Stephen G. Breyer.

Writing for the four, Breyer said, ``The court ... improperly invades a power that the Constitution assigns to Congress.''

AARP lawyer Laurie McCann said, ``We're losing a very important aspect of enforcement'' of the ADA against the states. The AARP supported two Alabama state employees who sought to sue the state.

Individuals still can file lawsuits seeking a court order without financial damages, and the federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission can sue the states. But McCann said it was unrealistic to expect either avenue to be used in many individual cases.

In January 2000, the justices barred state workers from suing their employers in federal court under the federal Age Discrimination in Employment Act. That ruling said the law could not override states' immunity against being sued in federal court.

The ADA is perhaps best known for requiring wheelchair ramps in buildings across the country.

The law bans job discrimination against the disabled, requiring employers to offer reasonable accommodations to disabled people who are otherwise qualified to perform a job. It also bans discrimination in the provision of government programs and services.
The law was signed by former President Bush (news - web sites), who filed a court brief supporting two Alabama state employees who sued the state. Bush said the ADA let disabled people ``pass through once-closed doors into a bright new era of equality, independence and freedom.''

Wednesday's ruling reversed a federal appeals court decision that let Patricia Garrett and Milton Ash sue over alleged bias in their state jobs.

Garrett had been a University of Alabama nurse for 17 years when she took a four-month leave to undergo surgery, radiation and chemotherapy for breast cancer. When she returned, she said she was ordered to take a lower-paying job or quit.

Her lawsuit said her supervisor made negative comments about her illness. She took the lower-paying job and later retired.

Ash, a security guard for the Alabama Department of Youth Services, said his severe asthma was aggravated by the agency's refusal to enforce its no-smoking policy or repair exhaust problems on a vehicle he had to drive.

The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals (news - web sites) ruled the two could sue under the ADA, saying the law canceled the states' constitutional immunity from being sued in federal court against their will.

The Supreme Court said Wednesday the appeals court was wrong.
Rehnquist said examples offered in the case of discrimination by states ``fall far short of even suggesting the pattern of unconstitutional discrimination'' to justify legislation based on the Constitution's 14th Amendment equal-protection guarantee.
``In order to authorize private individuals to recover money damages against the states, there must be a pattern of discrimination by the states ... and the remedy imposed by Congress must be congruent and proportional to the targeted violation. Those requirements are not met here,'' the chief justice said.

In contrast, Rehnquist wrote, Congress found a ``marked pattern'' of racial discrimination by states when it enacted the Voting Rights Act in 1965.

Breyer's dissent said Congress had found about 300 examples of discrimination by state governments. ``Congress expressly found substantial unjustified discrimination against persons with disabilities,'' he said.

The case is University of Alabama v. Garrett, 99-1240.




-- Cherri (jessam5@home.com), February 22, 2001.


Two Types of Sleep Paralysis


Sleep paralysis is disorder that is both common and terrifying. There are two major types of sleep paralysis: common (typical) and hallucinatory (hypnagogic) sleep paralysis.

Common Sleep Paralysis

According to most researchers ( in a 1992 Gallup poll ) nearly every adult will have an episode of Common Sleep Paralysis (CSP) every couple of years. In the 1950ies and 60ies researchers discovered that sometimes sleepers gain counsciousness finding their bodies temporarily "frozen". This temporary paralysation affects the gross motor functions and macro muscle groups of the body. This state lasts between 15sec to a minute ( though subjects report that it lasts longer.)

These episodes of paralysis baffled sleepers and medicals professionals for centuries. It was not until R.E.M. and its correlation to the dream state was discovered that the mystery of Sleep paralysis started to unfold. Researchers soon discovered that hormones were released during the R.E.M./dream state that paralysed the body and kept it from acting out the contents of the dream. During most regular sleep cycles the hormones begin to wear off even before the dream is completed and thus people wake with a full funcitionning body. In rare occasions the hormones are still actively suppressing the gross motor functions of the body and thus upon waking the individual finds its body temporarily paralysed.

Though waking to this helpless state can be disturbing for the individual, it is perfectly harmless and fairly common. There are rare cases were some people produce too much of the hormone and will suffer from frequent sleep paralysis. There are other cases, where people do not produce the hormone at all (see miscellanious.)


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Hallucinatory sleep paralysis

A more terrifying sister to the common sleep paralysis is the hallucinatory sleep paralysis also known as the hypnagogic sleep paralysis and the Hag phenomena.

There are three major differences between Hallucinatory Sleep Paralysis (HSP) and CSP.

Characteristics of sleep paralysis

1 Whereas CSP is common and universal HSP is rare and seems to be geographically episodic.

2 CSP is of raletively short duration where HSP can last as long as seven or eight minutes.

3 The major difference of course is that CSP maybe unsettling for the sleeper but the HSP is accompanied by a nightmarish hallucination.


There is evidence that HSP seems to affect an area (e.g. a village) much like an epidemic. A region that has had no HSPs reported may all of a sudden be innundated by sleepers suffering from HSP. Though this is relatively new research it seems regions stay infected for upwards to three years, with the most common being only a few months. There is of yet no explanation for this.


HSP also seems to run in families, but a hereditary connection is still to be found. A great deal of research is currently being conducted in Canada and Europe.


The most striking difference between HSP and CSP are the horrifying hallucinations that accompany the paralysis. The source of the hallucination has often been attributed to the hypnagogic state (the state between wakefulness and sleep.) An individual usually awakens either because they hear something or they feel something. The thing to remember is this occurs outside of a dream sequence/plot. The individual is wide awake yet paralysed like in CSP. Moments after the person is awoke they are startled by a terrifying visual hallucination. Almost inevitably, this hallucination takes on a stereotypical form. It is usually a vision of a small malevolent creature that straddles the victim. The creature then either compresses the chest or attemps to strangulate the victim. Most victims report that the creature is actively trying to kill them.


The visual hallucination has been variously interpreted throughout time and in different cultures as being: indigestion ("hippocrites" for the Hellenic Greeks), guilt for the Romans and the Egyptians, witchcraft for the Mexicans and Yoruba people, demons for Medieval Europe, djinn for the Arabs, vampires for Europeans, Hag for the Irish and Scottish, spectral foxes for the Japanese, cats for the Chinese, ancestral ghosts for South-East Asians, etc. Despite the various interpretations, the descriptions of the hallucinations are remarkably similar. There are hudreds of folk remedies to avoid HSP. But the most common is to not sleep on your back. Almost all attacks have been reported by people sleeping on their backs.


HSP like CSP appears to be physically harmless though there's current research looking at the connection between HSP and Sudden Unexplained Nocturnal Death Syndrome




-- Cherri (jessam5@home.com), February 22, 2001.



Two Types of Sleep Paralysis


Sleep paralysis is disorder that is both common and terrifying. There are two major types of sleep paralysis: common (typical) and hallucinatory (hypnagogic) sleep paralysis.

Common Sleep Paralysis

According to most researchers ( in a 1992 Gallup poll ) nearly every adult will have an episode of Common Sleep Paralysis (CSP) every couple of years. In the 1950ies and 60ies researchers discovered that sometimes sleepers gain counsciousness finding their bodies temporarily "frozen". This temporary paralysation affects the gross motor functions and macro muscle groups of the body. This state lasts between 15sec to a minute ( though subjects report that it lasts longer.)

These episodes of paralysis baffled sleepers and medicals professionals for centuries. It was not until R.E.M. and its correlation to the dream state was discovered that the mystery of Sleep paralysis started to unfold. Researchers soon discovered that hormones were released during the R.E.M./dream state that paralysed the body and kept it from acting out the contents of the dream. During most regular sleep cycles the hormones begin to wear off even before the dream is completed and thus people wake with a full funcitionning body. In rare occasions the hormones are still actively suppressing the gross motor functions of the body and thus upon waking the individual finds its body temporarily paralysed.

Though waking to this helpless state can be disturbing for the individual, it is perfectly harmless and fairly common. There are rare cases were some people produce too much of the hormone and will suffer from frequent sleep paralysis. There are other cases, where people do not produce the hormone at all (see miscellanious.)


Back to top


Hallucinatory sleep paralysis

A more terrifying sister to the common sleep paralysis is the hallucinatory sleep paralysis also known as the hypnagogic sleep paralysis and the Hag phenomena.

There are three major differences between Hallucinatory Sleep Paralysis (HSP) and CSP.

Characteristics of sleep paralysis

1 Whereas CSP is common and universal HSP is rare and seems to be geographically episodic.

2 CSP is of raletively short duration where HSP can last as long as seven or eight minutes.

3 The major difference of course is that CSP maybe unsettling for the sleeper but the HSP is accompanied by a nightmarish hallucination.


There is evidence that HSP seems to affect an area (e.g. a village) much like an epidemic. A region that has had no HSPs reported may all of a sudden be innundated by sleepers suffering from HSP. Though this is relatively new research it seems regions stay infected for upwards to three years, with the most common being only a few months. There is of yet no explanation for this.


HSP also seems to run in families, but a hereditary connection is still to be found. A great deal of research is currently being conducted in Canada and Europe.


The most striking difference between HSP and CSP are the horrifying hallucinations that accompany the paralysis. The source of the hallucination has often been attributed to the hypnagogic state (the state between wakefulness and sleep.) An individual usually awakens either because they hear something or they feel something. The thing to remember is this occurs outside of a dream sequence/plot. The individual is wide awake yet paralysed like in CSP. Moments after the person is awoke they are startled by a terrifying visual hallucination. Almost inevitably, this hallucination takes on a stereotypical form. It is usually a vision of a small malevolent creature that straddles the victim. The creature then either compresses the chest or attemps to strangulate the victim. Most victims report that the creature is actively trying to kill them.


The visual hallucination has been variously interpreted throughout time and in different cultures as being: indigestion ("hippocrites" for the Hellenic Greeks), guilt for the Romans and the Egyptians, witchcraft for the Mexicans and Yoruba people, demons for Medieval Europe, djinn for the Arabs, vampires for Europeans, Hag for the Irish and Scottish, spectral foxes for the Japanese, cats for the Chinese, ancestral ghosts for South-East Asians, etc. Despite the various interpretations, the descriptions of the hallucinations are remarkably similar. There are hudreds of folk remedies to avoid HSP. But the most common is to not sleep on your back. Almost all attacks have been reported by people sleeping on their backs.


HSP like CSP appears to be physically harmless though there's current research looking at the connection between HSP and Sudden Unexplained Nocturnal Death Syndrome




-- Cherri (jessam5@home.com), February 22, 2001.



Cherri, thankyou for posting the constitution. Please answer my question though. Please remember I am not trying to bash you personally, but I do think you are much a victim of propaganda as are the rabid right-wingers.

-- Dr. Pibb (dr_pibb@zdnetonebox.com), April 10, 2001.

Cherri - "All of this crap you claim Clinton did is nothing more than a bunch of negative "propaganda" that was blatantly aimed at Clinton from the time he first won the office. Your argument is pathetic, if you believe it you are a fool, if you don't you are scum. "

First off, I broke one of my rules, the last sentence was wrong of me, not the "Your argument is pathetic" part, but to put to give two choices as if they were the only ones, is. This is the type of "argument" some doomers used to give, and it was a form of non answer.

Second, There is a lot of evidence about the campaign that was waged to discredit Clinton by certain factions because his ideologies were not what they wanted and but mainly because he had prevented Bush sr from getting another four years to put their advance agenda. It cannot be denied that there was a constant stream of accusations that were lodged at Clinton, most of which were found to be baseless, but for some people believed completely. Yet Bush had a lot in his background that has been shrugged as if they were not important. Clinton had not yet diddled with Monica and stated he did not have (by the judges own definition) had sex with her.

Have you ever read any of the garbage you cut and paste? Yes, always. I didn't cut and paste the above article. Please understand that I do not take everything I cut and paste at face value. Some of them are an attempt to convey my beliefs in a manner of which I seem to be incapable, (I have difficulty putting my thoughts to words, unlike others who have a talent of getting their ideas across, others are just to pass on something that does not appear in the mainstream media.
Politics, unfortunately, is not an exact science like electronics and hardware. A lot of what it consists of is psychological manipulation. You are just as guilty of doing this to Bush, as any rabid right-winger is of doing it to Clinton. But I am just one person, I do not control major media like some groups of people, so I am harmless in the overall picture. The accusations against Clinton were investigated to death and never proven, although they are believed as true to many. The things I put here about Bush have not been investigated, they are being ignored or shrugged off with lame excuses. Please tell me you were joking when you typed this. No, I was not joking. I fail to see where Clinton has been found guilty of the accusations extremist right wingers spout as truth all the time. Except for Clinton saying he did not have sex with Monica, what charges have been proven-even with the millions of dollars that have been spent in the effort? Or are you so blind in your hatred for Bush that you cannot tell that you are being suckered by a bunch of propagandists?

I do not blindly hate Bush, I strongly dislike the methods and lies that were used to get him into office and the things he is doing to this country by his predisposition to cater to big business over the safety and welfare of the individual people of this country.

-- Dr. Pibb (dr.pibb@zdnetonebox.com), April 10, 2001.

-- Cherri (jessam5@home.com), April 12, 2001.


Cherri, thankyou for posting the constitution. Please answer my question though. Please remember I am not trying to bash you personally, but I do think you are much a victim of propaganda as are the rabid right-wingers.

-- Dr. Pibb (dr_pibb@zdnetonebox.com), April 10, 2001.

Cherri - "All of this crap you claim Clinton did is nothing more than a bunch of negative "propaganda" that was blatantly aimed at Clinton from the time he first won the office. Your argument is pathetic, if you believe it you are a fool, if you don't you are scum. "

First off, I broke one of my rules, the last sentence was wrong of me, not the "Your argument is pathetic" part, but to put to give two choices as if they were the only ones, is. This is the type of "argument" some doomers used to give, and it was a form of non answer.

Second, There is a lot of evidence about the campaign that was waged to discredit Clinton by certain factions because his ideologies were not what they wanted and but mainly because he had prevented Bush sr from getting another four years to put their advance agenda. It cannot be denied that there was a constant stream of accusations that were lodged at Clinton, most of which were found to be baseless, but for some people believed completely. Yet Bush had a lot in his background that has been shrugged as if they were not important. Clinton had not yet diddled with Monica and stated he did not have (by the judges own definition) had sex with her.

Have you ever read any of the garbage you cut and paste? Yes, always. I didn't cut and paste the above article. Please understand that I do not take everything I cut and paste at face value. Some of them are an attempt to convey my beliefs in a manner of which I seem to be incapable, (I have difficulty putting my thoughts to words, unlike others who have a talent of getting their ideas across, others are just to pass on something that does not appear in the mainstream media.
Politics, unfortunately, is not an exact science like electronics and hardware. A lot of what it consists of is psychological manipulation. You are just as guilty of doing this to Bush, as any rabid right-winger is of doing it to Clinton. But I am just one person, I do not control major media like some groups of people, so I am harmless in the overall picture. The accusations against Clinton were investigated to death and never proven, although they are believed as true to many. The things I put here about Bush have not been investigated, they are being ignored or shrugged off with lame excuses. Please tell me you were joking when you typed this. No, I was not joking. I fail to see where Clinton has been found guilty of the accusations extremist right wingers spout as truth all the time. Except for Clinton saying he did not have sex with Monica, what charges have been proven-even with the millions of dollars that have been spent in the effort? Or are you so blind in your hatred for Bush that you cannot tell that you are being suckered by a bunch of propagandists?
I do not blindly hate Bush, I strongly dislike the methods and lies that were used to get him into office and the things he is doing to this country by his predisposition to cater to big business over the safety and welfare of the individual people of this country.

-- Dr. Pibb (dr.pibb@zdnetonebox.com), April 10, 2001.

-- Cherri (jessam5@home.com), April 12, 2001.


Merv 'the Swerve' bludgeoned his way into early leads in every one of his earlier rounds. The final was the first game where he was put under early pressure himself. He struggled whilst David remained calm, cool and clinical. During the break Co Stompť and Barneveld (resembling a Dutch Laurel and Hardy) commented that in similar situations in the past King had swore his head-off and lost the plot. This time he practised, kept calm, and fought back and made a match of it.

However even after fluffing game-shots on his beloved double-tops David, not once, looked like he thought he was going to loose. He kept his concentration, kept his nerve, and didnít dwell on lost opportunities.

Unfortunately for him Australia is wise enough to ban all sports on TV sponsored by tobacco and thus his heroics will probably go largely unnoticed in his homeland. Yes Darts has an image problem, often looking tacky and cheap, and damaged by a split it cannot afford, but forget the gallons of lager, crap jewellery, DJ ÷tzi et al, this was gripping stuff and as heart-warming a victory as Iíve seen in any sport.

A highly personable Australian haemophiliac, limping to the ochť, fulfilling his dream of becoming world champion, and winning 20 years worth of his disability pension whilst heís at it.

Boomeran g back to win final battle

-- test (test@test.com), January 14, 2002.


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