-- (The Advent @ of. The 4th Reich), December 16, 2000.
The Bush/Nazi Connectiongreenspun.com : LUSENET : Unk's Wild Wild West : One Thread |
The president of the Florida Holocaust Museum said Saturday that George W. Bush's grandfather derived a portion of his personal fortune through his affiliation with a Nazi-controlled bank.John Loftus, a former prosecutor in the Justice Department's Nazi War Crimes Unit, said his research found that Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, was a principal in the Union Banking Corp. in Manhattan in the late 1930s and the 1940s.
Leading Nazi industrialists secretly owned the bank at that time, Loftus said, and were moving money into it through a second bank in Holland even after the United States declared war on Germany. The bank was liquidated in 1951, Loftus said, and Bush's grandfather and great-grandfather received $1.5 million from the bank as part of that dissolution.
"That's where the Bush family fortune came from: It came from the Third Reich," Loftus said.
Loftus made his remarks during a speech as part of the Sarasota Reading Festival. The author of "Unholy Trinity: The Vatican, The Nazis and the Swiss Banks," Loftus documented the Swiss bank accounts that harbored funds confiscated from Holocaust victims and the participation of Italian priests in smuggling Nazi war criminals to safe haven in Canada, Central and South America and the United States after the war.
Although he said he had a file of paperwork linking the bank and Prescott Bush to Nazi money, Loftus did not provide that documentation Saturday.
Loftus pointed out that the Bush family would not be the only American political dynasty to have ties to the "wrong side of World War II." The Rockefellers had financial connections to Nazi Germany, he said.
Loftus also reminded his audience that John F. Kennedy's father, an avowed isolationist and former ambassador to Great Britain, profited during the 1930s and '40s from Nazi stocks that he owned.
"No one today blames the Democrats because Jack Kennedy's father bought Nazi stocks," Loftus said. Still, he said, it is important to understand these historical connections for what they tell us about politics today. The World War II experience points out how easy it was then -- and remains today -- to hide money in multinational funds.
That money flows into American politics today, he said, from "a series of multinational corporations behaving like pirates. They don't care about ideology; they care about money."
Loftus' speech left many in tears.
"I am absolutely shocked," said Nancy Krauss of Punta Gorda. "I wish this would have come out before the election. My husband voted for Bush. I don't think he would have voted for him if he would have known." http://www.newscoast.com/headlinesstory2.cfm?ID=35115
-- KeepDigging (you@will.find.dirt), December 16, 2000
-- (The Advent @ of. The 4th Reich), December 16, 2000.
Bush's grandfather put money in a bank that was secretly owned by the Nazis. The word secretly means nobody knew. This is like saying anyone who had money in that bank was "affiliated" with the Nazis. The word "affiliated" is used LIBERALly here, wouldn't you say?Considering THIS to be "dirt" is piss poor...
Now..if you had women accusing him of rape, or he was getting sucked off in the oval office, or selling secrets to the Chinese, or auctioning off a night in Lincolns bedroom...now that WOULD be awful.
-- kritter (kritter@adelphia.net), December 16, 2000.
-- Good Ole'Sweaty (hic@cup.hic), December 16, 2000.
Kritter:If you read enough of the history of the era, you will find that many of what is called the "old wealth" on the East coast were strong supporters of Hitler and the Nazi party in Germany [and in some cases its extension to the US]. This is much worse than anything that you mentioned.
The relevant question at this point is "what does this tell us about W". Not much that I can see.
Best Wishes,,,,,
Z
-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), December 16, 2000.
Oh look! Sherri Nakken is here from EZ board!
-- yea (yep@yep.yep), December 16, 2000.
Kritter's homework assignment for today...THE BUSH-DULLES-NAZI CONNECTION
"George Bush's problems were inherited from his namesake and maternal grandfather, George Herbert 'Bert' Walker, a native of St. Louis, who founded the banking and investment firm of G. H. Walker and Company in 1900. Later the company shifted from St. Louis to the prestigious address of 1 Wall Street. . . .
"Walker was one of Hitler's most powerful financial supporters in the United States. The relationship went all the way back to 1924, when Fritz Thyssen, the German industrialist, was financing Hitler's infant Nazi party. As mentioned in earlier chapters, there were American contributors as well.
"Some Americans were just bigots and made their connections to Germany through Allen Dulles's firm of Sullivan and Cromwell because they supported Fascism. The Dulles brothers, who were in it for profit more than ideology, arranged American investments in Nazi Germany in the 1930s to ensure that their clients did well out of the German economic recovery. . . .
"Sullivan & Cromwell was not the only firm engaged in funding Germany. According to 'The Splendid Blond Beast,' Christopher Simpson's seminal history of the politics of genocide and profit, Brown Brothers, Harriman was another bank that specialized in investments in Germany. The key figure was Averill Harriman, a dominating figure in the American establishment. . . .
"The firm originally was known as W. A. Harriman & Company. The link between Harriman & Company's American investors and Thyssen started in the 1920s, through the Union Banking Corporation, which began trading in 1924. In just one three-year period, the Harriman firm sold more than $50 million of German bonds to American investors. 'Bert' Walker was Union Banking's president, and the firm was located in the offices of Averill Harriman's company at 39 Broadway in New York.
"In 1926 Bert Walker did a favor for his new son-in-law, Prescott Bush. It was the sort of favor families do to help their children make a start in life, but Prescott came to regret it bitterly. Walker made Prescott vice president of W. A. Harriman. The problem was that Walker's specialty was companies that traded with Germany. As Thyssen and the other German industrialists consolidated Hitler's political power in the 1930s, an American financial connection was needed. According to our sources, Union Banking became an out-and-out Nazi money-laundering machine. . . .
"In [1931], Harriman & Company merged with a British-American investment company to become Brown Brothers, Harriman. Prescott Bush became one of the senior partners of the new company, which relocated to 59 Broadway, while Union Banking remained at 39 Broadway. But in 1934 Walker arranged to put his son-in-law on the board of directors of Union Banking.
"Walker also set up a deal to take over the North American operations of the Hamburg-Amerika Line, a cover for I.G. Farben's Nazi espionage unit in the United States. The shipping line smuggled in German agents, propaganda, and money for bribing American politicians to see things Hitler's way. The holding company was Walker's American Shipping & Commerce, which shared the offices at 39 Broadway with Union Banking. In an elaborate corporate paper trail, Harriman's stock in American Shipping & Commerce was controlled by yet another holding company, the Harriman Fifteen Corporation, run out of Walker's office. The directors of this company were Averill Harriman, Bert Walker, and Prescott Bush. . . .
". . . In a November 1935 article in Common Sense, retired marine general Smedley D. Butler blamed Brown Brothers, Harriman for having the U.S. marines act like 'racketeers' and 'gangsters' in order to exploit financially the peasants of Nicaragua. . . .
". . . A 1934 congressional investigation alleged that Walker's 'Hamburg-Amerika Line subsidized a wide range of pro-Nazi propaganda efforts both in Germany and the United States.' Walker did not know it, but one of his American employees, Dan Harkins, had blown the whistle on the spy apparatus to Congress. Harkins, one of our best sources, became Roosevelt's first double agent . . . [and] kept up the pretense of being an ardent Nazi sympathizer, while reporting to Naval Intelligence on the shipping company's deals with Nazi intelligence.
"Instead of divesting the Nazi money," continue the authors, "Bush hired a lawyer to hide the assets. The lawyer he hired had considerable expertise in such underhanded schemes. It was Allen Dulles. According to Dulles's client list at Sullivan & Cromwell, his first relationship with Brown Brothers, Harriman was on June 18, 1936. In January 1937 Dulles listed his work for the firm as 'Disposal of Stan [Standard Oil] Investing stock.'
"As discussed in Chapter 3, Standard Oil of New Jersey had completed a major stock transaction with Dulles's Nazi client, I.G. Farben. By the end of January 1937 Dulles had merged all his cloaking activities into one client account: 'Brown Brothers Harriman-Schroeder Rock.' Schroeder, of course, was the Nazi bank on whose board Dulles sat. The 'Rock' were the Rockefellers of Standard Oil, who were already coming under scrutiny for their Nazi deals. By May 1939 Dulles handled another problem for Brown Brothers, Harriman, their 'Securities Custodian Accounts.'
"If Dulles was trying to conceal how many Nazi holding companies Brown Brothers, Harriman was connected with, he did not do a very good job. Shortly after Pearl Harbor, word leaked from Washington that affiliates of Prescott Bush's company were under investigation for aiding the Nazis in time of war. . . .
". . . The government investigation against Prescott Bush continued. Just before the storm broke, his son, George, abandoned his plans to enter Yale and enlisted in the U.S. Army. It was, say our sources among the former intelligence officers, a valiant attempt by an eighteen-year-old boy to save the family's honor.
"Young George was in flight school in October 1942, when the U.S. government charged his father with running Nazi front groups in the United States. Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, all the shares of the Union Banking Corporation were seized, including those held by Prescott Bush as being in effect held for enemy nationals. Union Banking, of course, was an affiliate of Brown Brothers, Harriman, and Bush handled the Harrimans' investments as well.
"Once the government had its hands on Bush's books, the whole story of the intricate web of Nazi front corporations began to unravel. A few days later two of Union Banking's subsidiaries -- the Holland American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation -- also were seized. Then the government went after the Harriman Fifteen Holding Company, which Bush shared with his father-in-law, Bert Walker, the Hamburg-Amerika Line, and the Silesian-American Corporation. The U.S. government found that huge sections of Prescott Bush's empire had been operated on behalf of Nazi Germany and had greatly assisted the German war effort." (1)
-- History Teacher (read@and.weep), December 16, 2000.
Teacher:Kritter KNOWS who she's dealing with. She's already acknowledged that she has friends [and supports] the Free Republic Movement.
Kritter ALSO still has the keys to this forum, which might explain why some liberals [as myself] have stopped posting here.
-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), December 16, 2000.
Anita so what if Kritter still has the keys. What is your point? Do you expect her to do something devious?
-- yea (yep@yep.yep), December 16, 2000.
The point is that [as a liberal] I have no business being on a Nazi forum. I could tone that response down a notch or two, but the bottomline is that I haven't agreed with so many on this forum for such a long time that I think both this forum and I are better served if I move on.I don't think you can dispute that you're better off without me.
-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), December 16, 2000.
That doesn't prove that Bush is a nazi supporter any more than all people of germanic ancestry are nazi supporters. It's over. Get on with your lives
-- me (yes@you know.me), December 16, 2000.
Point taken Anita.Adios:
Z
-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), December 16, 2000.
Me,The records show that the Bush family have been supporters of the Nazis, as part of their long-standing agenda to advance global fascism under the guise of a "New World Order". Daddy Bush even publicly proclaimed his desire for this ideology. There is every reason to believe that Daddy is still pulling the strings, even though his son is the puppet. There is also no reason to assume that Junior will not continue to advance the NWO agenda long after Daddy is gone. He was not manipulated into attaining the power of the presidency just so his parents could be proud of him, he is going to be used to forward this agenda.
-- History Teacher (don't @ be. naive), December 16, 2000.
I stepped down from having a key to the forum awhile ago, fyi. I told Unk up front that I just wanted to start up the forum for him, and if anyone had a problem with me, he could just change the password, and he did. It is stated in a thread from about two weeks ago.While I am a strong supporter of Republican issues, I only argue them in political threads. And half the time I don't bother to argue them, because no one is changing their mind on issues here. I have often "agreed to disagree" with liberal forum members. I'm not the sole conservative here, and I don't wish to be the spokesperson for conservative issues. I just like sticking my two cents in when Hawk posts flaming Bush diatribes.
The only thread I ever started on the subject was about education, where I stated I thought both candidates missed the mark. I never rammed my politics down peoples throats...(even I'm sick of Uncle Bob, okay?)
FreeRepublic is a forum for conservative republicans. Why is any conservative movement labeled as Racism or Nazism by the liberal left? I will stand against that remark. As a Jew who has lost ancestors to the Holocaust, it's beyond offensive.
Anita, I always considered you a friend, happy to see you in chat and enjoying your posts and replies here. I've defended you to people. I've done nothing to warrent this "attack" on me. It is out of left field from my point of view, so I can only gather that while you smiled in my face, you were wearing a mask. I will no longer consider you a friend.
-- kritter (kritter@adelphia.net), December 16, 2000.
Having sex in the Oval Office is worse than finiancing the Nazis? Kritter, you are one wacked out bitch.
-- my2cents (@ .), December 16, 2000.
Z:I'd like an answer to this one before I leave. It began on Poole's forum, but you never came back to it.
Kritter: I'd always considered you a friend, as well. I hadn't known that you were a freeper "patriot" sortof person. You, in turn, might not have known that I was a liberal. I think that your statement about how you "really wanted to fix the HTML in a thread" indicated that you still had the keys, despite the fact that you'd said you wouldn't use them.
You might want to look into the roots of the Free Republic, [and their sister, Sierra.] Personally, it makes no difference to me that you threw yourself onto the streets for these people, nor does it make a difference that you consider me a non-friend.
-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), December 16, 2000.
Hey Anita, don't let the screen door hit you in your liberal ass.And take Droolie (Paulie) and the Meathead (Patricia) with you too.
OK?
-- guess who (kiss.my@ass.com), December 16, 2000.
See what I mean, Krit? This forum has no tolerance for folks who see life other than they. My only "hang around" is a curiosity on how "Z" will respond. He claims to ge a geneticist, yet he's not once answered a question to him presented on genetics.
-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), December 16, 2000.
Kiss my ass:Yep. Small minded urchin who cannot bear to have an opposing point of view on this board. It is your ilk that make any non-fascist rightwing redneck like yourself the reason why we do not want republicans running the country. You are no better than a thug.
Oh. And by the way-NOT HAWK
-- KeepDigging (you@will.find.dirt), December 16, 2000.
The point is that [as a liberal] I have no business being on a Nazi forum.Oh and you are a wellspring of tolerance, Anita.
Fucking hypocrite bitch.
-- guess who (kiss.my@ass.com), December 16, 2000.
Cut your sniveling little holier-than-thou act, KeepDigging.You're no different than the right-wingers who persecuted Clinton for eight years.
-- nonehere (none@to.give.net), December 16, 2000.
Anita "I think that your statement about how you "really wanted to fix the HTML in a thread" indicated that you still had the keys, despite the fact that you'd said you wouldn't use them."That statement indicted I could not fix it because I no longer had the keys. Or else, I would have fixed it, and any of the other nasty html schemes that have popped up since then.
Unk's word is as good as gold, and you, Anita, should know that by now. Would he stake his reputation on saying I didn't have the keys if I still did? If you know Unk at all, I'll ask you to consider that. He is a man of his word, and I respect him for it, always.
And to "-@", I support GW Bush because his ideas for government most mirrored my own. I have no interest in playing your game.
-- kritter (kritter@adelphia.net), December 16, 2000.
Anita, I wouldn't get bent out of shape because of the message by "guess who". That message was posted at almost the same time as this message on the Trolls thread.It looks like it is YOU, Cin, who is in need of some Prozac.
Dumb cunt.
-- guess who (kiss.my@ass.com), December 16, 2000.
What I'm saying is, you're not dealing with a Nazi. You're dealing with someone who is jealous of you because you are a woman.
-- Long (time@forum.watcher), December 16, 2000.
Yowza..it's getting hot in here! Let me stoke that fire....Anita, compared to the rabid rhetoric and attitude of ezboard, the commentaries and general atmosphere here is somewhat tame and not quite as nauseating as over there. If anyone were to leave, I believe Kritter and Ain't would be far more comfortable with their patriot compatriots over in the other camp. So don't go. We other Liberals would hate to see you leave.
-- Peanut (Gallery@Here.com), December 16, 2000.
Hey Long time@forum.watcher) don't quit your day job because you SUCK at this one!BAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!
-- guess who (kiss.my@ass.com), December 16, 2000.
FOLLOW ME
-- yea (yep@yep.yep), December 16, 2000.
... and I can tell you that YEP posts from the same IP address as KoFE.
-- I have the Keys... (keymaster@forum.moc), December 16, 2000.
Anita:This forum has no tolerance for folks who see life other than they. My only "hang around" is a curiosity on how "Z" will respond. He claims to ge a geneticist, yet he's not once answered a question to him presented on genetics.
Yo; Z will respond; but Z isn't Flint so the respnse will be cryptic.
Z doesn't believe that this is a Nazi site. Z does know how to trace posts and does know the software of the site very well. Z isn't saying anything more but Z knows how the recent attacks were carried-out and who is responsible.
Z is very reluctant to forgive site administrators who lie to him. Note my response to Chuck.
Z will not post here again. Anita, is that an answer.
Best wishes,,,,,
Z
-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), December 16, 2000.
Anita:A last post for Anita: One of my projects is with an essential, edndosympbiotic fungus in fescue. If the fungus isn't there the grass will die. It turns out that it controls expression of the plant genes.
You said you wanted some genetics. So here you are. Want more?
Best Wishes,,,,,
Z
-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), December 16, 2000.
Z will not post here again. Anita, is that an answer.No.
-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), December 16, 2000.
Tarzan AKA keymaster, you don't know shit. Don't underestimate the people you step on.Z, surprised as I was by the patronizing of one recent of your posts, still it would be a great loss were you to not post here anymore.
-- yea (yep@yep.yep), December 16, 2000.
OK:Anita, give yours. Not that I will take it; but it is an option; I always listen to those before I make a decision.
Best Wishes,,,,,,
Z
-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), December 16, 2000.
Z: I don't care either about THIS forum, or Poole's forum, but you specifically asked for information on Poole's forum, and I spent a good 20 minutes providing it for you and you didn't respond. I provided a link to that in this thread, and you STILL didn't respond. You seem to think that if I leave and YOU leave that this matter will be discarded. You're partially correct on that one, but do you want to leave with not even me [who has believed you up until this point] believing that you have the credentials that you've professed?I have no clue what you're talking about regarding Chuck and administrators of this forum.
-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), December 16, 2000.
Hey, Z -- yea, what's going on? Respond to Anita? Personally, I don't care a bit about this controversy, but I'm facinated about the retoric involved. Do you all actually know each other personally?
-- EHPorter (Just.Wondering@About.It), December 16, 2000.
Anita, for what it's worth...1) I had interpreted kritter's original comment about wanting to fix the HTML, in the way she apparently intended it.
2) When you mentioned disagreeing with many on this forum as a reason to leave, are you concerned by the tone of those exchanges rather than simply the fact of disagreeing. I would have thought that most on this forum (as I do) would find disagreement to be stimulating, so long as it was kept civil and there was some interest in searching for common ground. Granted, this ideal is often not reached.
3) I suspect that skeletons would be found in the closets even of most "reputable" organizations, if one were to research their origins to sufficient depth.
4) I generally find value in your posts, even in those that I primarily disagree with.
-- David L (bumpkin@dnet.net), December 16, 2000.
I see that you people have lost your fucking minds. Very nice.Franky Anita, I gave my word that I am the only one who has the password to the admin page, if that is not good enough for you tough shitski, I am not a liar, I keep my word, and have always conducted myself online with honesty and integrity, as I also do in real life. Anyone who disagrees with that can kiss my hairy rectum.
The people who post here are welcome to say whatever they wish, I have silenced NOBODY. Even after receiving email complaints from a certain former forum administrator who was upset that certain email addresses were published here I still chose NOT to delete the "offending" posts. If folks want to say Bush is a Nazi or Gore is a commie they are welcome to do so, I do not censor or control the content here. See the Troll thread for an example of nasty shitty posts that I didn't particularly like, but left as is.
Also, I am more than a little unhappy that the so called "liberals" from the old forum have been sparse in their posting, I would think that they would wish to enlighten the more barbaric of us here, and since their position is the "correct" one I would think that enlightening us would be a simple thing to do, unless the heat of the kitchen is a bit too intense.
-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), December 16, 2000.
Well, Unk, Droolie's still posting, and as the resident Meathead, I am as well. Cherri posts here occasionally, as does Paul Davis and Brian, Syd Barrett.....
Perhaps the holidays have alot of people running around like lunatics?
-- The Meathead :-) (PatriciaS@lasvegas.com), December 16, 2000.
Oh, yeah, I forgot: Most of us lost our fucking minds a good many years prior to Al's Invention of the Internet ;-)
-- The Meathead (PatriciaS@lasvegas.com), December 16, 2000.
Anita:I have been out of the country. I have been in Arkansas. I f you ask for some information, I didn't see it. Hence, I am non-plussed.
Do you know that Fayetteville may be the best place in the country to live. GREAT PLACE.
Unk: I stick with my opinion.
Best Wishes,,,,
Z
-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol..com), December 16, 2000.
Tarzan?Guess again asswipe.
-- I have the Keys... (keymaster@forum.moc), December 16, 2000.
You're right Patricia, the holliday crap has kept me busy too.Anita, we have not often agreed on politics, but I will be sad to see you go. Be well.
Unk
-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), December 16, 2000.
...and bless Unk, Lord, and may I NEVER EVER make him unhappy enough to offer his rectum to myself...
-- helen's fervent prayer to God (b@c.k), December 16, 2000.
Hey Anita stick around.I do have to criticize your equation of conservatives being tantamount to Nazis though. The term NAZI stood for the National Socialist German Workers' Party. It was formed in 1919 and was hijacked by Hitler shortly after it's formation. Although Hitler steered it away from its original design, it was still a socialist/workers system. Very far removed from conservatism and the Republican Party.
Hey Meathead, you've motivated me to change my handle to Barf Bag.
-- Barf Bag (dr.pibb@zdnetonebox.com), December 16, 2000.
Deedah: I don't really care about your forum or who has the keys. I have an interest in genetics and Z claimed to be a geneticist. Countless people have blown him off, and I remained in his "corner".I've provided the link in which I responded to him ONCE on this thread, but I'll provide it again.
Z..I don't care if you were out of the country or [somebody help me clean up what I'm thinking] the duck in your backyard. My only concern is how you went to Poole's forum and suggested that my professors were out of date:
Same link I posted before on this thread
You can respond to this, blow it off [which is what you've done], or admit that you have no clue what you're talking about regarding genetics or global warming, but PLEASE don't try and convince me that you're so stupid as to not have seen my prior link to this.
-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), December 16, 2000.
Helen, you always know what to say and when to say it. It's a gift.
Well, Barf Bag, I figured it was time for a change. And "Meathead" has a kind of ring to it.....think I'll keep it for a bit.
-- Patricia (PatriciaS@lasvegas.com), December 16, 2000.
LOL Patricia!
-- cin (cin@cin.cin), December 16, 2000.
Anita:Being in date in this field changes from week to week. Big changes occur. I spend half of the year going to meetings. The lecture I gave last week may be wrong when I return. In a fast changing field, like molecular biologly, it works that way.
Otherwise, I have no way of knowing what you are talking about. Shoot, my lectures are from the literature. They change from a day to day basis. I not only use the latest publications, but I use unpublished data sent to me by people in the field. l am responsible to give my students the newest ideas. We discuss them
Whatever you are talking about, I am sorry. Unk, I still stand by my analysis.
Best Wishes,,,,
Z
-- Z1X4Y7@aol.com (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), December 16, 2000.
yeah you have the keys allrightthe keys to your TRAILER!
-- yea (yep@yep.yep), December 16, 2000.
Z! -- Please wait a minute! I need to ask you something important!I shouldn't have looked at Rotten.com, but I did, and there's a picture there of a man with tumors like I've NEVER heard of...and they say he can't be treated with surgery, and if you could just go there and look...
Would you look and see if it matches any kind of genetic problem you may have heard of, and maybe you could ask your people in the genetics field if there might be help for this man?
Please?
-- helen (b@c.k), December 16, 2000.
Okay...I'm done here. There was a 'Z' here, but there wasn't a geneticist Z here. There wasn't even a guy named 'Z' who could dispute the global warming stuff that I spent 20 minutes typing on Poole's forum. He sure as hell had ME fooled.The rest of you can now engage in countless HOURS on who is fooling who on this forum. I'll disengage and bid you all farewell and best wishes.
Unk: No offense intended to you at all, but I have a mission, and that mission doesn't include this forum at this time.
-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), December 16, 2000.
Unk:This is a rapidly changing field. I retract the Anita part of my analysis.Obviously she has lost it. The rest stands.
Best Wishes,,,,
Z
-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), December 16, 2000.
Well, merry Christmas. Go to rotten.com and look at the picture they call "tumor man". There's a human being there on display for the world -- is ANYONE on this forum connected with medical science so you can at least see if something can be done for him?
-- helen (b@c.k), December 16, 2000.
Z,Are you referring to your opinion about edndosympbiotic fungus in fescue, or your opinion that this is not a Nazi site?
;-)
-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), December 16, 2000.
OK, Anita:What is your school, name of the Professors and name of the text books? What is the level of the course? Given that information, I can come to a conclusion.
Thanks.
Best Wishes,,,
Z
-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), December 07, 2000.
Z,
This is the last thing your posted on that URL that Anita provided. She provided everything you asked for but you never responded.
What's so hard about answering Anita's question?
-- nonehere (none@to.give.net), December 16, 2000.
And what's so hard about answering MINE? Anita won't die without HER answer.
-- helen (b@c.k), December 16, 2000.
Ok, this is a hijacking.
-- helen (b@c.k), December 16, 2000.
***Deedah: I don't really care about your forum or who has the keys***I think that about sums it up. I always knew you were a self-serving, self-centered, cheap-assed bitch, but I think now it's obvious to all.
Fuck you, Anita.
Oh and please don't take it personally. {major eye roll}
-- me (yes@you know.me), December 16, 2000.
nowhere:I never saw it. It is that simple. I am out of town meetings for weeks at a time. I can miss a week or more of comments. They then go to the bottom of the list.
If that happened, I am sorry.
Best Wishes,,,,
Z
-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), December 16, 2000.
Unk -- I apologize for my tantrum.
-- helen (b@c.k), December 16, 2000.
Helen:Apologize for WHAT tantrum. 'Z' is here, and he's here NOW, and he's still not responding with anything but "Best wishes".
Whoever that other person was:
I never said I was perfect. I'm a cold-hearted bitch. Sue me. Your thoughts about me are no more important than Cin's thoughts when she left chat recently because I'd stated that Tarzan had a point. Cin wanted me to believe that her comments in that thread regarding his grandmother losing children were "misconstrued" by Tarzan. Uh-huh.
Is this the "wonderland" where what people say has no meaning at all?
-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), December 16, 2000.
Anita:I have some problem following your train of though.
Still don't know what you are talking about, but probaby wont..
Best Wishes,,,,,,,,,,,,
Z
-- Z (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), December 16, 2000.
Z:I agree. I've intentionally been obtuse in this. I have NOT posted links [twice] to your objections to the global warming theory. I have NOT posted links [twice] to your requests on where I attend school and the level of each class.
You're right, Z. I'm a total fuck-up. I can't even respond to a straight-forward request. [I was out of town.] [I didn't see it.] {Even though I'm here now, I STILL don't see it.}
Yep...I'm a fuck-up, 'Z'.
-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), December 16, 2000.
Do you really think it necessary to drill the poor man? Good grief
-- yea (yep@yep.yep), December 16, 2000.
Dang. Farting around at Poole's and I missed a good fight.Dang.
-- Carlos (riffraff@cybertime.net), December 16, 2000.
Gee Anita, for someone so anxious to leave the party you can’t seem to pull away from the punch bowl. I for one will miss your tight- assed worldview and holier-than-thou postings. Wherever it is that you are going, I wish you well in getting there.
-- Barry (bchbear863@cs.com), December 17, 2000.
Anita,Thread review reveals 2 things.
1) You reiterate your love of being a victum. 2) NOBODY wants you to leave!!!!!!!!!
OK. Now that we've all said what we've said before, stick around. You won't be picked on unless you're up to the self description you posted above.
K?
-- Carlos (riffraff@cybertime.net), December 17, 2000.
I did not vote for bush, as far as I am concerned GORE is my president.
-- demmy (demmy@demsfordollars.com), December 17, 2000.
Ah, this might not be Anita. The last I heard, Antia was off celebrating her break and the return of her husband.
-- (trollw@tch.alert), December 17, 2000.
Anita,Please reconsider. I've always valued your input.
But I don't get the Nazi thing. If there is such a connection with Free Republic, and kritter is/was unaware of the connection, why fault her? In any case, what ideas have they discussed that would evoke Naziism?
And why leave the forum because of a problem you have with a couple of posters? There are many others who appreciate your presence here.
-- eve (eve_rebekah@yahoo.com), December 17, 2000.
Good point!Teacher:
Kritter KNOWS who she's dealing with. She's already acknowledged that she has friends [and supports] the Free Republic Movement.
Kritter ALSO still has the keys to this forum, which might explain why some liberals [as myself] have stopped posting here.
-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), December 16, 2000.
This was "Anita's" very first message on this thread. I don't think the real Anita would be so adverserial from her very first message.
-- Wundrin (about@some.things), December 17, 2000.
I agree with "trollwatch". The Nazi remark does not sound like Anita. BTW, she has an SO, not a husband.
-- Lars (lars@indy.net), December 17, 2000.
And I agree with you, Lars. It doesn't sound like Anita.
-- Wundrin (about@some.things), December 17, 2000.
Historyteacher--If there is one thing I have learned in the past two years, it is not to believe everything I read on the Net, whether it is y2k predictions, stock market picks or "history". If you would instruct us, then please give substantial links that document your information. Also, you failed to mention that Averil Harriman was a Democrat, and a very prominent one at that.
As long as you are digging into the activities of ancestors of current politicians, how about some dirt on Joeseph Kennedy, the father of JFK, RFK and Teddy-with-the-Red-Nose? A very interesting fellow was he.
-- Lars (lars@indy.net), December 17, 2000.
Okay, Anita's SO, I stand corrected. She was taking a different class, but she might have been taking more than one. I don't know. It's not my business, I just don't like seeing her trashed. I've been reading her posts for over two years. This doesn't sound like the Anita I know on this thread.
-- (trollw@tch.alert), December 17, 2000.
Lars: Yes, Joe Kennedy was "interesting", but his grandson isn't the President-Elect. If I'm not mistaken, the last time he had a grandson who was President-Elect, this all came to light. (Perhaps not; I was very young at the time -- not quite out of the womb yet.)
And so it goes.....I think it's all in the timing.
But that does segue nicely into this: You'd think the liberal media would have just been all over this one, wouldn't you?
-- Patricia (PatriciaS@lasvegas.com), December 17, 2000.
"I have the keys", though it really doesn't matter, truth is I'm not "Yea". I guess we just happen to agree on an issue or two. Your statement that our ISP addresses (or whatever their called) are the same, is BS. But not a big deal. It's nice to know you are thinking about me.
-- KoFE (your@town.USA), December 17, 2000.
"If you would instruct us, then please give substantial links that document your information. Also, you failed to mention that Averil Harriman was a Democrat, and a very prominent one at that.As long as you are digging into the activities of ancestors of current politicians, how about some dirt on Joeseph Kennedy, the father of JFK, RFK and Teddy-with-the-Red-Nose? A very interesting fellow was he."
Certainly. Here are the sources my friend, for this essay... Shadow of the Swastika
I wasn't aware that this thread was a conversation about political parties, Democrat or Republican. As far as I can tell we were talking about the Bush family, and their connections to the Nazis. If you are interested in the Kennedys knock yourself out, the internet is a big place.
BIBLIOGRAPHY (By section)
INTRODUCTION
The Irony of Democracy: An Uncommon Introduction to American Politics - Second Edition, By Thomas R. Dye and L. Harmon Zeigler - Duxbury Press, CA. 1972
The Arms Bazaar: From Lebanon to Lockheed - By Anthony Sampson - The Viking Press, NY. 1977
U. S. CORPORATIONS AND THE NAZIS
Facts and Fascism - By George Seldes (Assisted by Helen Seldes) - Sixth Edition - In Fact, Inc., NY. 1943
Trading with the Enemy: An Expose of the Nazi-American Money Plot 1933-1949 - By Charles Higham - Delecorte Press, NY. 1983
Even the Gods Can't Change History: The Facts Speak for Themselves - By George Seldes - Lyle Stuart, Inc., NJ. 1976
Power, Inc.: Public and Private Rulers and How to Make Them Accountable - By Morton Mintz & Jerry S. Cohen - Viking Press, NY. 1976
The Plot to Seize the White House - By Jules Archer - Hawthorn Books, 1973
It's A Conspiracy!: The Shocking Truth About America's Favorite Conspiracy Theories - By Michael Litchfield/The National Insecurity Council - EarthWorks Press, CA. 1992
The Secret War Against The Jews: How Western Espionage Betrayed The Jewish People - By John Loftus and Mark Aarons - St. Martin's Press, NY. 1994
HEMP & the Marijuana Conspiracy: The Emperor Wears No Clothes - By Jack Herer (Editors: C. Conrad, L. & J. Osburn, E. Komp , and J. Stout)
H.E.M.P. (Help Eliminate Marijuana Prohibition), CA. 1995
One Thousand Americans - By George Seldes - BONI & GAER, NY. 1947
Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do: The Absurdity of Consentual Crimes in a Free Society - By Peter McWilliams - Prelude Press, CA. 1993
A History of the Hemp Industry in Kentucky - By Professor James F. Hopkins - University of Kentucky Press, Lexington, KY. 1951
Spooks: The Haunting of America - The Private Use of Secret Agents - By Jim Hougan - First Bantam Edition - William Morrow and Co., NY. 1979
The Sovereign State of ITT - By Anthony Sampson - Stein and Day, NY. 1973
Democracy for the Few - By Michael Parenti - Fourth Edition - St. Martin's Press, NY. 1983
THE NEW WORLD (DIS)ORDER
Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time - By Carroll Quigley, Second Printing - Wm. Morrison, NY. 1974
The American Establishment - By Leonard Silk & Mark Silk, First Discus Printing - Avon Books (by arrangement with Basic Books), NY. 1981
The New Germany and the Old Nazis - By T.H. Tetens - Random House, NY. 1961
Blowback: America's Recruitment of Nazi's and Its Effect on the Cold War - By Christopher Simpson - Weidenfeld & Nicolson, NY. 1988
Unholy Trinity: The Vatican, the Nazis, and Soviet Intelligence - By Mark Aarons & John Loftus, First U.S. Edition - St. Martin's Press, NY. 1992
Conspiracies, Cover-Ups and Crimes: From JFK to the CIA Terrorist Connection - By Jonathan Vankin - Bantam Doubleday Dell Publishing Group, Inc., NY. 1992
RICHARD MILHOUSE NIXON
High Treason: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy and the New Evidence of Conspiracy - By Robert J. Groden and Harrison Edward Livingstone, Berkley Edition - Berkley Books, NY. 1990
GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH
Censored: The News That Didn't Make the News - And Why - By Carl Jensen - Shelburne Press, Inc., NY. 1993
-- History Teacher (learn your @ lessons. well), December 17, 2000.
HT--OK, done. I 'specially liked the one about hemp in KY (1951). A real page-turner.
-- Lars (lars@indy.net), December 18, 2000.
The Kennedy/Nazi connection (among other things)--
Kessler, Ronald. The Sins of the Father: Joseph P. Kennedy and the Dynasty He Founded. New York: Warner Books, 1997. 463 pages.
Joseph Patrick Kennedy (1888-1969) made big money by running booze during Prohibition with Frank Costello and other Mafia heavies, and by manipulating Wall Street with insider trading that would be illegal today. Next came $5 million from the movie business, using equally dubious methods, and a new girlfriend, Gloria Swanson. When the 1929 crash arrived, Joe made more money -- he had already sold off most of his holdings, and was selling short on the Street.
His political career began in 1934, when Roosevelt appointed him to head the SEC on the theory that it takes a thief to catch one. In 1938 Joe became U.S. ambassador to Britain, but resigned in 1940 due to his Cliveden Set sympathies for a policy of appeasement toward Hitler. After the war, Joseph Kennedy arranged favorable publicity and purchased votes for his son John. After JFK won in 1960, Joe instructed him to appoint Bobby as attorney general. Judging from this excellent biography, throughout his life Joseph Kennedy was a philanderer, an unprincipled manipulator, and a power-hungry wheeler-dealer, who supervised and financed the careers of his compliant sons. In 1961 he suffered a stroke. For the next eight years, he watched speechlessly from a wheelchair, with questionable comprehension, as one tragedy after another destroyed the dynasty he had created.
-- Lars (lars@indy.net), December 18, 2000.
Joe Kennedy is dead.George Bush is the president of our country.
Nuff said.
-- History Teacher (learn.your@lesson.well), December 18, 2000.
Anita said:The point is that [as a liberal] I have no business being on a Nazi forum. I could tone that response down a notch or two, but the bottomline is that I haven't agreed with so many on this forum for such a long time that I think both this forum and I are better served if I move on.
I don't think you can dispute that you're better off without me.
-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), December 16, 2000.
...Which is notable in that it's the first blatantly false thing I've ever read from Anita. Though I suppose I should allow for the fact that she perhaps doesn't realize how wrong she is about the forum being better off without her.
Geez, what the hell happened aroud here over the weekend?
-- RC (randyxpher@aol.com), December 18, 2000.
George W Bush's grandfather is also dead. What's your point?
-- Lars (lars@indy.net), December 18, 2000.
I dont believe that was Anita, she doesnt write like that.
-- sumer (shh@aol.con), December 18, 2000.
George Herbert Walker Bush was the president before Clinton George Walker Bush Jr. is the president now. Where is Herbert? 6 6 6Inaugurated 1-20-2001 1+2+0+2+0+0+1=6
Born 9 months after Hitler died. July 6 1946 07-06-1946 0+7+0+6+1+9+4+6= 33 3+3 = 6
Satan has his puppet and the antichrist as our president. Familiar with the Illuminati? the Rothschilds? The Freemasons? The Phoenicians? Our world is turned upside down right now and most people have no clue.
God save us...
-- Joe Citizen (Bush@is.evil), February 10, 2001.
Hey Joe. Familiar with lobotomy? Unbalanced humours? Prochlorperazine?
-- Barry (bchbear863@cs.com), February 10, 2001.
Hey Joe,Have ya got the #s for Sir Nose DeVoidoFunk {AKA George Clinton}?
-- flora (***@__._), February 10, 2001.
Who the hell is George Clinton?
-- Jack Booted Thug (governmentconspiracy@NWO.com), February 10, 2001.
The Phunkin Master!
-- Barry (bchbear863@cs.com), February 10, 2001.
Bush-haters, get your stories straight. Did the Bush family fortune come from the Third Reich or from Sun Myung Moon or from the NWO or from oil or from Skull and Bones connections or from the Texas Rangers or from WASP banking cartels in CN?
-- (Paracelsus@Pb.Au), February 11, 2001.
From all of the above and don't forget CIA heroin smuggling. Pure cash.
-- (LeonTrotsky@gulag.archipelago), February 11, 2001.