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cpr,

It looks like the "doomzies" weren't as "faked out" as you thought. LOL.

-- Anonymous, December 06, 2000

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The only bear trap idiots like you would know about would be from the pictures in the Survivalist Catalogs. NASDAQ recovered 10% yesterday and gave back 1/3rd of it today. BIG Freaking deal. Yesterday and today in the DJIA is a wash. DJIA is in a trading range that is TWO YEARS OLD.

Apple is back where it was before Saviour Stevie walked across the Bay to rescue them. Amazon is getting theirs while EBay continues to make MONEY. From the start, investors were told that ONLY 5% of the Net Stocks would even be around after two years. The public didn't listen and it got Burned Big Time.

The best thing about this market is solid companies stay up and the Hot Air Bull shit stocks of the "dot Messes" get hit bad every time the Market has a down day.

Meanwhile, companies old and new that make money like MMM do well.

As they say, its a "market of Stocks" not a Stock Market.

-- Anonymous, December 06, 2000

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-- Anonymous, December 06, 2000
cpr,

"solid companies". Would that be like some of these?:

Coca-Cola down 31.55% from their high
Wal-Mart down 21.98% from their high
Gillette down 50.29% from their high
Microsoft down 52.74% from their high
IBM down 30.49% from their high
Cisco down 37.27% from their high
Ford Motor down 35.80% from their high
Chrysler down 61.09% from their high
Kellogg down 52.60% from their high

While you may not, I'm sure that most of the posters get the picture.

-- Anonymous, December 06, 2000
Typical picture for those who wear glasses painted over with black. The same mentality of "its always darkest" with no balance. The same idiots have one skill, while scanning 50 pages of the Wall St. Journal they can find one notice of a dot com laying off 100 people. They can't find the articles that note the Net industry will have another 100-200,000 Carbon Unit Shortage again next year.

Do yourself a big favor; call your broker, short an S&P index and buy all the Nat. Gas futures you can lay your hands on on the open tomorrow with a "buy on new high" restriction. That way you can be sure you are "riding with a winner". Be sure to max out your margin account also.

That way when you get the Margin Call for more funds you won't have to think. They will simply sell you out like any other Brainless Ignorant Peasant.

-- Anonymous, December 06, 2000

Today's Biggest NYSE GAINERS for Constipated Doomzies


http://www.msnbc.com/news/158521.asp

        Volume       Price     Change   Percent
  Change
NYSE Top % Gainers
Musicland Stores Corporation 1,034,700    10.250    +2.250    +28.13%   
Owens-Illinois, Inc. 2,163,400    3.688    +0.750    +25.53%   
CSK Auto Corporation 134,600    4.563    +0.750    +19.67%   
KCS Energy, Inc. 1,286,400    3.063    +0.500    +19.51%   
OMI Corporation 835,500    5.063    +0.750    +17.39%   
Mississippi PWR 6.65% DEP PFD 1,600    24.500    +3.500    +16.67%   
The Shaw Group Inc W/I 1,100    38.000    +5.000    +15.15%   
Comcast Corp 2% EXCH SUB DEB 600    54.000    +7.000    +14.89%   
Aurora Foods Inc. 79,900    2.500    +0.313    +14.29%   
Sprint PCS Group 7,225,700    26.750    +3.188    +13.53%    


-- Anonymous, December 06, 2000

Today's Biggest NYSE GAINERS for Constipated Doomzies


http://www.msnbc.com/news/158521.asp

        Volume       Price     Change   Percent
  Change
NYSE Top % Gainers
Musicland Stores Corporation 1,034,700    10.250    +2.250    +28.13%   
Owens-Illinois, Inc. 2,163,400    3.688    +0.750    +25.53%   
CSK Auto Corporation 134,600    4.563    +0.750    +19.67%   
KCS Energy, Inc. 1,286,400    3.063    +0.500    +19.51%   
OMI Corporation 835,500    5.063    +0.750    +17.39%   
Mississippi PWR 6.65% DEP PFD 1,600    24.500    +3.500    +16.67%   
The Shaw Group Inc W/I 1,100    38.000    +5.000    +15.15%   
Comcast Corp 2% EXCH SUB DEB 600    54.000    +7.000    +14.89%   
Aurora Foods Inc. 79,900    2.500    +0.313    +14.29%   
Sprint PCS Group 7,225,700    26.750    +3.188    +13.53%    


-- Anonymous, December 06, 2000

cpr,

Some things never change. Like the quality (or lack thereof) of your debating skills.

You say, "solid companies", and I give you the down and dirty on some of the bluest of the blue. Your typical ad hominem attack of "idiot" is trotted out, along with the old and faulty (remember Sgt. Friday taking your little challenge?) "go short the market and buy energy" blah blah blah blah blah, ad infinitum.

Your mindless posting of the day's biggest NYSE gainers is hilarious. Let's look at it, shall we?

1) Musicland Stores. You call this a "solid company"? LOL. After today's 28.13% jump, they are still 56.15% from their all-time high.
2) Owens-Illinois. LOL! That one is so funny, there are tears rolling down my face. After today's mammoth 25.53% gain, they are still only 92.47% from their all-time high. 92.47%!
3)CSK Auto. Down 87.79% from their all-time high.
4)KCS Energy. Down 89.85% from their all- time high.
5)OMI Corp. Who? LOL. Another "solid company". Down 45.27% from their high.
6)A utility preferred. You are clueless.
7)The Shaw Group (when issued). Down 59.14% from their high.
8)A Comcast convertible bond. Down 57.27% from its high.
9)Aurora Foods. Down 88.95% from their high.
10)Sprint PCS Group. Down 60.04% from their high.

Do you have any more of my arguments that you want to prove for me? LOL.

-- Anonymous, December 06, 2000
And furthermore Charles, I'll have you know my Y2K platinum is up 86% from when I bought it in 1999. Gold and energy soon to follow.

-- Anonymous, December 06, 2000
J is nothing more than a new name for Dennis, the baby auctioning terrorism supporting doomer we all came to know and loathe last year. Do yourself a favor and don't feed the trolls.

-- Anonymous, December 06, 2000
Who cares who this is. They are all clones out of the same Doom Zombie molds. PD, PT and RH have gone no place so his fantasy about his Y2k Strategic Metal is more horseshit.

Meanwhiled, The Sun will come up tomorrow with or without them.

-- Anonymous, December 06, 2000

Doesn't it only matter what you buy at and what price you sell at? is that not elementary? So what does it matter to me if I played it right that these companies are so far off their high? How far up are they from their low, a low at which I may have bought?

-- Anonymous, December 06, 2000
I keep getting this image. Cute tiny skirt, red white & blue pompoms, tennies with fuzzy little balls, NASDAQ-DJ emblazoned across the breast, and a grey beard. Pity you didn't make Vegas.

-- Anonymous, December 06, 2000
Al Gore would fit right in here. Too clueless to defend himself, thinking he is winning the debate.

-- Anonymous, December 07, 2000
ICU,

Wrong. Keep talking, though. You might prove yourself to be as inept as cpr.


cpr,

I just completely ridiculed your argument, and by extension, you. The best that you could do was to mutter something about "Doom Zombie", and then try and change the topic to precious metals. You are so predictable. If you apologize for calling me names, and say that you won't do it anymore, I promise not to destroy any more of your "arguments". LOL.


FutureShock,

I've been missing you over at Unk's Wild Wild West (unless you're incognito as SydBarret; he says that he knows you). The general point is not that some fortunate people got out at or near the top. The general point is that the mutual fund buying public that has been trained to buy and HOLD (not sell), has been taking a beating as many of the blue chips have sold off from their peaks.

The specific point is that cpr said, "The best thing about this market is solid companies stay up and the Hot Air Bull shit stocks of the "dot Messes" get hit bad every time the Market has a down day".

Well, good old cpr didn't have a clue what he was talking about when he said that "solid companies stay up", so I figured I would set the record straight, lest some poor forum lurker actually think that cpr knew what he was talking about and follow (shudder) cpr's "advice". Watch closely now, as I have probably pushed old cpr over the edge with this post.

-- Anonymous, December 07, 2000
NEW HIGHS while market was going down:

MMM

SBC

TXU

Dozens of old line companies. What's your point? (Aside from the long one on top of your head under the Tin Foil.)

-- Anonymous, December 07, 2000

cpr,

My point is that you don't know anything about that which you speak. Let's critique your latest installment of proving my point.

You wrote, "Dozens of old line companies". You, of course, could only name three. Of those three, the old Texas Utilities, TXU Corp. (TXU) is down 21.73% from its all-time high, SBC Corp (SBC) is down over 8% from its all-time high, and only MMM (MMM) made a new high yesterday. Reality is that you have only been able to name one "solid company" that set a new high yesterday, and only one other that is not at least 10% off of its high.

Are you still claiming that "solid companies stay up", or are you ready to apologize for calling me names and admit that you are full of hot air when it comes to the stock market?

-- Anonymous, December 07, 2000
You assume I am 'debating' with you and that is a false assumption. People like you who post snippets to support their point of view then ignore any evidence to the contrary and twist what is posted opposing them are not debating. They are propagandizing from an a priori point of view.

Continue to ignore anything that contradicts your fantasy world. It may help you when you join your peers in the State Institutions which house such as you.

-- Anonymous, December 07, 2000

cpr,

You have finally managed to say something at least partly reasonable. You, indeed, are not debating with me. To label your ramblings and insults as "debate" would be faulty.

If you truly believe that which you write, you must be certifiably insane. People "who post snippets to support their point of view then ignore any evidence to the contrary and twist what is posted opposing them are not debating". That was an excellent description of what you usually do, cpr. You forgot to mention the name calling, personal attacks, and ALL CAP SHOUTING, though. Those are actually your hallmarks.

Until we cross paths again, continue to believe that the "solid companies are staying up". We wouldn't want you to stop "ignoring anything that contradicts your fantasy world". LOL.

-- Anonymous, December 07, 2000
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By Haitham Haddadin

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Technology stocks powered ahead in midday 
trading on 
Friday as investors ignored a sales warning from No. 1 computer chip 
maker Intel 
Corp (NasdaqNM:INTC - news) and went on a 
shopping spree 
for battered high-tech issues.

Sentiment was also buoyed by the latest economic data, which 
showed signs of 
easing in the tight U.S. labor market with the widely-watched 
unemployment rate 
rising from a 30-year low. This solidified investors' belief that 
economic 
growth is slowing enough to allow the Federal Reserve to cut interest 
rates 
early next year.

``What today's move on the upside and Intel are telling us is that 
a lot of 
the negative news of slower growth in the technology sector is 
already factored 
in the market,'' said Peter Cardillo, director of research at 
Westfalia 
Investments.

The technology-laced Nasdaq Composite Index (^IXIC - news) surged 126.52 
points, or 
4.6 percent, at 2,879.18 in a broad advance led by semiconductors. 
Intel, the 
most actively traded stocks, was up $1-5/8 at $35-15/16, despite its 
warning 
after Thursday's close that fourth-quarter revenues would lag 
expectations due 
to slowing personal computer demand.

But the market rallied nonetheless with analysts saying 







-- Anonymous, December 08, 2000





cpr,

There is some of the name calling and ALL CAP SHOUTING 
for which you are infamous.

Are any "solid companies" besides 
MMM within earshot of their high? Or in your little world, is MMM THE 
only "solid company" in the stock market? LOL.

BTW, excellent 
job with the html.



-- Anonymous, December 08, 2000






DIMWIT.




I only put on a few 




I knew of from memory.




check out:




recent highs for 




OIL COs. 










UTILITIES




REITs




etc.




Its called "flight to quality".




YOU wouldn't know about such things.



-- Anonymous, December 08, 2000






cpr,

You really are stupid. Normally, I would be polite and 
call you ignorant, but you claim to know SO MUCH, that stupid is the 
correct word.

First of all, when investors turn to oil stocks, 
what does it mean? Come on you big Texas oil guru you, tell us all. 
Okay, I will. The answer is: inflation. Oil stocks are contrary 
indicators to the general market, you moron.

REITs are not 
what I would call "solid companies", but their recent outperformance 
is not a good sign for the overall market, either. It is another sign 
that the market is worried about inflation (see my comment on oil 
stocks).

A few utilities are near their highs, but many are 
not. Hardly enough to conclude that a trend is in place. Well, hardly 
enough for anyone who isn't grasping at straws.

Still haven't 
fixed the html yet? Tsk, tsk. Don't tell me, it's a sign of genius, 
right? LOL.



-- Anonymous, December 09, 2000







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