Win on CD 3.8 "musicalbum" doesn't work on my Pioneer DV 525

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Hello!

I just created a "Musikalbum" with Win on CD 3.8. It is said to be playable on a common VCD/DVD Player. But my Pioneer DV 525 has severe Problems with the sound. The menues are displayed very well but the music is about two times faster and very distorted. It would be fine if anyone could help me solving this problem...

bye,

Karl Bornemann

-- Karl Bornemann (iamzulu1@gmx.de), November 29, 2000

Answers

Hallo Karl,

mir geht's genauso. Die CDs werden nur mit dem Roxio Softwareplayer und meinem Yamakawa AVphile715 DVD-Player richtig abgespielt. Auf meinen anderen Playern gibt's Probleme mit dem Ton (zu schnell, bzw. gar kein Ton). Da die eine VCD erstellen, die eigentlich nur aus "Menü" besteht, sollte das gehen, die Menüs in den selbsterstellten VCDs haben ja auch keine Tonprobleme.

Aber gut zu wissen, das auch andere Probleme haben, das sollte man mal dem Hersteller mitteilen. Leider gibt es noch keinen Produktsupport für WinOnCD 3.8.

Gruss Thomas

-- Thomas Albrecht (teletom@online.de), November 29, 2000.


ENGLISH!!! WE NEED ENGLISH!! Thank you

-- Doug (mazinz@aol.com), November 29, 2000.

I'm not sure how WinOnCD compresses the music, but I know it's in MPEG format. That's how you're able to get so much music on a single disc. Therefore your player would have to decode MPEG audio. The standard audio on North American players is Dolby Digital with many manufacturers now supporting DTS aswell. However, these players, to keep costs down for price-conscious American consumers, do not usually come with MPEG decoding capabilities. I know the DVD standard in the Oceania Region (Australia etc.) is MPEG Audio. Many players there also support DD & DTS aswell.

-- Gene Williams (genewill@earthlink.net), November 29, 2000.

DV-525 plays VCDs just fine so it indeed plays MP2 audio (since VCD uses MPEG1 which encodes audio as MP2). DV-525 will not play audio- only MP2 files, it expects a video signal as part of an MPEG1 stream...

Kevin

-- kevin (kevin@kevcat.com), December 01, 2000.


VideoCD audio is encoded as MPEG-1 Layer 2 Audio. The DVD standards that use MPEG audio, such as those in the Oceania Region, use MPEG-2 Audio.

-- Gene Williams (genewill@earthlink.net), December 02, 2000.


Agreed, but the Music Album is encoded as MPEG1 VCD files which uses MP2 (MPEG1-layer 2) audio encoding, which the DV-525 can certainly play.

kevin

-- kevin (kevin@kevcat.com), December 05, 2000.


HI

I post this direct from the Cequadrat site

"Question: I have recorded a DVD Music Album with WinOnCD, but my standalone DVD playing device cannot play the disc at all or it is being played with multiple speed. Or: I have recorded a Photoalbum Disc but it cannot be played by my standalone DVD player.

Answer: The DVD Music Album uses a special technique patented by Roxio to provide data storage on a disc similar to a Video CD. In general, this is achieved by renouncement of the video data blocks in an MPEG stream. Some DVD- or VCD-playing devices seem to be using these video blocks for synchronizing and verification of the correct timing. If this is the case, playback problems can occur that may lead to faulty recognition of the disc or playback with multiple original speed. Mostly, the disc has been written correctly then. You can test this on your PC by playing the CD with a DVD-player software or the Video-CD-player which was provided with WinOnCD 3.8. According to our knowledge, all available standalone players manufactured by Yamakawa and SEG can playback MusicAlbum discs on both CDR and CDRW media, so you may refer to a local dealer for accessing a device for testing purposes. We cannot provide any predictions about compatibility towards any single DVD player due to the huge variety of device on the various local markets and as we are only provider of a CD mastering software. As soon as DVD player manufacturers give us reliable compatibility information, we will publish these. Thus, contact your device´s manufacturer for more detailed information. If your DVD player cannot playback the PhotoAlbum discs, this is usually reasoned in the medium used to record on. Some DVD players are only compatible to CDRW discs or only CDR discs. Regardless of the fact on which type of media the PhotoAlbum was wirtten on, the disc is 100% compatible to the international Video-CD-2.0 standard and must be played by any player which is really compatible to this standard. "

I have exactly the same problem on my aiwa 370, i guess we're buggered until Cequadrat come up with a solution ;-(

Lee

-- Lee Carter (thepurplehamster@aol.com), December 31, 2000.


Pioneer 525 Audio Problems with Photo CD with music created in WinOnCD 3.8 - Fix

OK, here is the fix for the WinOnCD 3.8 photo album sound problem with the Pioneer 525 DVD player. No guarantee this will work for you or that it is the only solution, but it solved the problem for me to my satisfaction. In order to get it to work, I gave up the Internet Explorer HTML slide show that runs on a PC. It is possible that one would not have to give this up, however, since I really did not need it, I did not care. If after reading this, someone follows my process, trying to keep the HTML show, and it works, let me know. I apologize to those of you who are PC experts. My instructions are a bit verbose and lengthy, the process really does not take that long once you know what to do. Basically we need to replace a few files on the burned CD, with re-encoded ones. Since we can't actually do this directly, here is my solution.

First, here is what you need. You can download it all on the Internet. I do not have time to point you to the sites, do a search and I am sure you will find it. The first program is shareware, so you need to either buy it, or figure out another way to use it to see if it works for you, since it is limited in the "try" version. If it works for you then buy the program, it is a great tool.

WinIso Version 5.3 (Shareware) VCDEasy Version 1.0.9 (Must be this latest version, which supports stills)(Free) TMPGEnc Version 2.5 (2.53.35.130) (Free) WinOnCD 3.8 (You already have this)

Now maybe some other programs out there will work, but this is what I used. VCDEasy uses CDRDAO version 1.15. If your writer won't work with it, then you can try CDRWIN or Nero, but I did not use these. All burning and BIN creation was done with VCDEasy. Actually I think I once created the BIN in step 3 below with CDRWIN.

Before I get started here is my system: NT 4.0 SP6.0a - 266 Pentium 2 - 320 something bytes of RAM and 50 gig of Hard drive space. I have a Plextor burner the PX-W1610A.

First, Get all the software, then either buy or figure out some other way to use the full capabilities of WinISO 5.3.

STEP 1 - Create your Photo CD/Load into CeQuadr Emulator

Create your Photo CD with WinOnCD as usual. When finished write it to an image file (.C2D). Now, WinISO is suppose to open these image files, but it does not open the Photo CD version, (if anyone can get it to open it, let me know, as we could save a step). After creating the image file on your Hard drive, load the CD drive Emulator that comes with WinOnCD 3.8 (alternately you could actually burn the CD, the erase it later, but that takes longer). Load your image file into the CD emulator. You should now have a drive letter on your PC, with the files of the actual Photo CD that WinOnCD created.

STEP 2 - Configure VCDEasy 1.0.9

Next, open VCDEasy 1.0.9, if you have not already configured it, use the settings icon on left, then click the VCDEasy tab at top, configure the software making sure the External Applications locations point to valid applications. I have "Enable CDRDAO Integration" checked as well as "Enable ASPI tools", checked (not sure it matters on ASPI tools). Make sure CD Image Options at bottom is set to Bin/Cue and nothing else is checked. Next click the (S)Vcd Player. I have no clue if all this has to be as I have it, but here is what I have. There are four sections on this screen, in the first, I have both options checked. "Default CDI Application" and "Use CDI configuration file". Second section, SVCD - Last option is checked, "Show the Update Scan . . ." Misc. Section, first option is checked. "The segment Folder . . ." Preferred TV is NTSC. Last section, Gaps unchecked, everything here is the way the program set it up. Next go to the last tab on Top, the CDRDAO tab. Configure your writer and reader. Reader is the CQUADR CD-ROM Emulator unless you actually burned the CD earlier, in that case point it to the correct place. Use the Generic-MMC driver for the Emulator. Make sure the "Force Execution" is checked. Later just ignore any errors. I also have buffer 64 and 4x selected for my writer options. "Force driver" is default.

STEP 3 - Create BIN Image file of your photo CD

Once this is all done, Click the tools icon on left. Next create a BIN CD image. Check "From CD reader". Check nothing else. I suggest creating a working directory here. I called my Convert and then called my BIN file I was creating CD1.bin. You will get a CD1.toc file also, but you don't need it. (I think CDRWIN will also do this job OK)

STEP 4 - Edit the BIN image file

Next open the newly created BIN file with WinISO. (This step may not be necessary, but when I just left the image file as it is, with the HTML stuff, etc., it would not reassemble). If it is possible to create the PhotoCD in WinOnCD 3.8 without the HTML stuff, then you would not even need WinISO. Any way, open the BIN file with WinISO, then right click on the HTML directory and delete it. Next delete all the files (not directories) in the root directory of the CD (the VCD player, Autorun, etc.) Next click the save button. Here is where WinISO is a little screwy. When you do this, it says 100% saved right away, but the little folders keep flying and sometimes the hourglass keeps spinning. Just CTRL-ALT-DEL and stop WinIso, which windows may say is not responding. It actually did the job, to test reopen the bin file. It will be smaller (in WinISO) and what you deleted will be gone.

STEP 5 - Disassemble the BIN Image file

Reopen VCD EASY, click tools, then the (S)VCD Build/Rip tab. Go down to VCDXRip. Here is where we now disassemble the image file we created and modified. Check "From CD Image file", input the location of the BIN file you modified, in my case CD1.bin, then input the name of the XML file you will now create. I called mine CD1 (XML extension is added) Put this file in the same directory as the source BIN file. Nothing else is checked. click RIP.

STEP 6 - Locate your mis-encoded MPG files

When the operation is done, your working directory, mine was called "convert", contains all the files from the image. All the DAT files have been converted to MPG files. Locate the MPG files that contain your slide shows with music on each album. They are usually toward the end and are much larger than all the others. If you double click on them Windows media player should open and play the song and show. If you created a PhotoCD with 4 albums, all with music, you will have 4 of these files. All the other MPG's are simply single picture stills or menus and are all around the same size or exactly the same size. These should be easy to pick out. Jot down the file names of the appropriate mpg's to use in Step 7

STEP 7 - Re-Encode the bad MPG files

Next open TMPGEnc, here is where we fix whatever the heck WinOnCD does to the file. From what I have read they use some proprietary format which is what screws up our beloved Pioneer 525, so your Pioneer is just fine, it is WinOnCD that is a mess. Anyway, open TMPGEnc. Under Stream Type (Lower Right) click "System (Video+Audio)". Next load the configuration file (Load button in lower right) named "VideoCD (NTSC) - MPEG1 352x240 CBR 1150kbps.mcf" In the video source field, navigate to the first MPG file that you need to convert (these are the ones you noted previously and jotted down). Once loaded all remaining fields (Audio Source and Output file name) should be filled in as well. I always change the output file name to something else in case something goes wrong during re-encoding. When you are ready, hit the "Start" button (upper Left) TMPGEnc now re-encodes the mpg. Depending on system and mpg size this can take a while. Re-encode using TMPGEnc all of the mpg's that have the audio and slide show in them (the ones you jotted down in Step 6)

STEP 8 - Replace Mis-Encoded files with Re-Encoded files in your working directory

Once this is finished it is time to replace the originals in your working directory with the newly encoded files. For instance, let's say you re-encoded the originals which were item0199.mpg and item0345.mpg. You newly encoded them and saved them as item0199f.mpg and item0345f.mpg. Delete the originals, and rename the newly encoded files to the same name as the originals.

STEP 9 - Rebuild/Reassemble the BIN Image file from the XML file

Now you are ready to rebuild the image file, with the corrected files using VCDEasy. Open VCDEasy, hit the tools icon on left. Go to the VCDxBuild section. Input your XML file created in step 5. Input the name of the new BIN file you will now create. I called mine CD2 (again the BIN extension is added). Be sure that only BIN/CUE is checked in this section. Click Execute. Get some coffee as this takes a while. During the build process you will get an error about some foreign data ( I cannot remember the exact wording). Just ignore it. VCDEasy actually says it is probably no problem, but just a sign of TMPGEnc (which we used, so this is normal) Any other warnings in VCDEasy should not be a concern as long as you get a VCDEasy Success box when the operation is over and a new BIN file. You can open the new bin file with WinIso to look at it (Don't edit it!)

STEP 10 - Burn the CD

You are now done. Just burn the resulting Bin/Cue file from Step 9 (I Used VCDEasy to do this) and enjoy your video CD in your Pioneer 525, complete with sound! You may be able to burn this with Nero or CDRWIN, but I did not try them.

Jeff Salomon jeff-n-ginny@usa.net

Disclaimer: This process worked for me, if it does not work for you don't email me hate letters. If I left out a step, I am sorry, you can nicely tell me about it and I will try to fix it.

-- Jeff Salomon (jeff-n-ginny@usa.net), April 05, 2002.


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