Earthmama and Cathy give us more info (misc.)

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On another thread you refered to a treatment as an alternative to the standard round of surgery, chemo, etc. for cancer. I'm interested in learning more about it.

1) Can you list 2-3 really good books that can explain this different approach? Where should I start reading?

2) How can I locate someone in my area/state that could help me if I needed them?

3) Cathy mentioned the Gearson (sp?) method - who or what is that?

My best friend died of leukemia at the age of 36. After seeing what chemo did to him I am very hestitant to consider that option. I think it is important to have some knowledge tucked away in the gray cells before you actually need it. Thanks for your help.

-- Vaughn (vdcjm5@juno.com), November 11, 2000

Answers

I forgot to ask: Are there any authors and/or methods I should stear clear of? I want to stay with legitimate sources. No snake oil doctors for me.

-- Vaughn (vdcjm5@juno.com), November 11, 2000.

Hello Vaughn, I believe God has provided us with a natural cure for every malady that can affect us. There are several ways to naturally help the body to heal itself. I think the best thing is to research them all, and whichever one intuitively feels right to you is the one you should use, because i feel intuition is the voice of God. I sell a version of ESSiac Which i believe is the best on the market, which is why i offer it. We also sell books related to this subject.I dont feel completely comfortable posting the address of my website on this forum, for fear of sounding too commercial. so if you are interested in further discussion about this subject, please feel free to email me directly. i am a passionately opposed to conventional medical protocol,and love to discuss this subject. Blessings....

-- Earthmama (earthmama48@yahoo.com), November 12, 2000.

Vaughn, I am happy when anyone questions standard cancer treatments. I think it is a good idea to learn about our options while we are still thinking clearly (before diagnosis).

First, I want to stress prevention. It is important to maintain a strong and healthy immune system. A diet high in organic, bright-colored vegetables (raw is best), organic whole grains, and little or no fat or meat is, in my opinion, the best way to accomplish this. Also, strict avoidence of processed foods, as they often contain hydrogenated oils, chemical additives, and excessive amounts of sodium. Pure, fresh water is important-we should probably all use water filters. Understand that the transit time of foods is very important. A meal high in fat and meat takes much longer to digest than a meal high in insoluble fiber. The longer the undigested waste lingers in the colon, the greater the potential for absorbing toxins. Avoid constipation. Reduce stress, reduce exposure to electromagnetic fields, be aware of carcinogenic chemicals in your home. Chlorine is bad stuff. If you swim, don't do it in a pool, find a lake. Your skin absorbs chlorine. Don't put chemicals on your head. (Sounds silly; I'm talking about perms, colorings.) Don't smoke, don't drink to excess. We have these choices, and we are responsible to a degree.

I am not a doctor, and I make no medical claims.....OK, now that's out of the way.

If I had cancer, or any serious illness, I would treat myself with information I've learned about the Gerson Therapy. Max Gerson was a doctor practicing in Germany in the 40's and 50's. He suffered from terrible migraines, and through diet was able to eliminate them. He sought out patients for whom there was no hope, I believe the diagnosis was skin tuberculosis, and treated them with his diet (for free). Those who followed the diet, recovered. As the years went on, he added other incurable illnesses to the list, and they responded well, and recovered. (Remember, this was 50 years ago!)

Here are his basic concepts; 1. Diet has a considerable effect on almost all diseases. 2. The human body can heal itself given the appropriate nutrients. 3. Any effective treatment for degenerative disease must treat the whole person. 4. People with serious illness must help their body detoxify.

"Healing Cancer and Other Degenerative Diseases with the Gerson Therapy" by Charlotte Gerson and Chip White is the most user-friendly book on the therapy. I don't recommend "A Cancer Therapy-Results of Fifty Cases", it's written for physicians. If you can't get your local bookstore to order it, call (888)4-GERSON. The Gerson Institute also sells a set of videos for around $80 that is very informative, 3 two hour videos. The treatment consists of twelve glasses of freshly prepared organic juice per day, 6 carrot, 6 green. Food is listed in the book-oatmeal, potatoes, raw salads, NO animal products while following treatment. No salt, Dr. Gerson notes imbalences between potassium and sodium in the body, so foods high in sodium are forbidden. The second part of the therapy is detoxification, through the use of coffee enemas. Coffee administered in this manner is absorbed through the portal vein, causing the body to release huge amounts of bile, containing toxins. The book explains this much better than I can.

Dr. George Malkmus of Hallelujah Acres, in Eidson, TN, uses a similar diet of mostly raw fruits and vegetables to heal cancer, etc. and he incorporates "the diet God gave to mankind in Genesis" all through his tapes and newsletters. He cured himself of colon cancer twenty years ago.

As for Essiac tea, I have personally known people with cancer who immediately upon diagnosis began using the tea. Within a few months the cancer was no longer detectable.

I have studied Macrobiotics, and find the diet to be lacking nutrients. It may work for some, but I would not follow it. It is fascinating, though. I believe Oxygen therapy has merit, as does IP6, but I would go with the Gerson therapy.

Like Earthmama, I welcome the opportunity to share information on this subject. I am saddened by and frustrated with conventional medicine. I do not believe the big shots care about us; it's all about ego and money. If the pharmaceutical companies can't patent it, they can't be bothered to research it.

I know a 16 year old girl with a brain tumor. A little over a year ago, she was sent home to die, the doctors gave her 2 weeks. Her family has been using some alternative therapies. Family finally got the doctors to do another MRI two weeks ago (I think that was the test). With no "treatment", the tumer has shrunk. Doctors are all very flustered, and have no idea what to do, because they've never seen this happen before. (I love this part of the story-Her Daddy is a Preacher!)

-- Cathy Horn (hrnofplnty@webtv.net), November 12, 2000.


sounds like the book,, back to eden,, by James Kloss. deals with the same thing, natural healing

-- STAN (sopal@net-port.com), November 12, 2000.

Cindy,

Did you ever hear of Dr Sherry Rogers? I learned about her from my chemical problems but she also has some books about cancer. Doctors sent her friend home to die but Dr. Rogers said no and they devised a diet from another doctor's information. (Sorry, don't know the doctors name off hand, I wasn't interested in that part at the time) The Cure Is In The Kitchen.

Her books have helped me more then the doctors with my chemical problems.

-- Dee (gdgtur@goes.com), November 12, 2000.



Any opinions on Laetrile? I believe it has to do with vitamin B17 which is found in apricot seeds. There is a book about it called A World Without Cancer, I haven't read it & can't remember the author. My friend's father was sent home to die because his body was full of cancer, he went to Mexico for this Laetrile, that was 20 yrs. ago, he's fine now.

-- Lenore (archambo@winco.net), November 12, 2000.

I had a friend ,he was a vegetarian, lived completely natural, used no chemicals, had lots of energy, healthy as could be. He ate almost entirely natural foods, organic, none of the chemical laden store food for him. He got cancer- melanoma. Yes, he was out in the sun a lot, because he was an outdoor type and a farmer, but the cancer was under his arm, for crying out loud! He tried every natural remedy he could get his hands on: including Laetrile,Essiac, herbs, he even went to a special clinic in Mexico that was supposed to be a sure cure. Finally it became apparent to him that the cancer was spreading despite the cures he was using. He had surgery to have it removed. By this time they had to cut a huge hole in the side of his chest in an effort to get it all out. After the surgery he kept using the herbs and various natural cures. He died about a year and a half after the surgery, after suffering untold pain. There is a good chance he could have lived and still been around inspiring us all if he'd gotten the surgery right away. By the time he got the surgery, the cancer had metastasized and gotten into his liver. He was one of the most beautiful people I have ever known, and all I can think is, what a tragic waste that could have been prevented. If I ever get cancer, I will tell the surgeons to cut it all out, and then try the natural stuff in case any is left, not wait and have the surgery as a last resort. Just my opinion.

-- Rebekah (daniel1@itss.net), November 12, 2000.

Rebecca, I agree, I had a small melanoma taken off 2 weeks ago. I told him to take what he thought was needed, and then 1/2 again more to make sure it was gone! The Doc is a friend of mine and I now have a Huge crater on my left shoulder. I could care less, it's gone.

May I ask you guys to start another thread some time regarding Fibromyalgia? This would seem to be a disorder that would fit the herbal/diet type treatment plan.

Thanks, JOhn

-- John in S. IN (jsmengel@hotmail.com), November 12, 2000.


John, I don't personally know much about Fibromyalgia but I read about it at www.lavenderlane.com the owner of this company treated herself for it using natural whole foods, it's under the Lavender Lane Story. I've talked to her on the phone a couple of times, her story is quite interesting.

-- Lenore (archambo@winco.net), November 12, 2000.

Rebekah, my sympathies to you and your friend's terrible ordeal.Although we all certainly have a right to our varying opinions, I felt the need to add my two cents to your post. I have hundreds of anecdotes about people who have treated cancer with natural methods and are cancer-free for up to 30 years. I am certain there are many stories like the one you have shared with us about your wonderful friend. The fact is, however, the medical establishment's record on cancer "cures" is abysmal. Cutting out a cancerous growth is very frequently not the last time the disease will visit. In addition, doctors very rarely are satisfied with only surgery, they usually recommend chemo and/or radiation too. If you have ever been around people who are undergoing chemo, you will find it aint pretty. In other words, as hard as it was to watch your friend die, chances are very good you would have lost him had he gone conventional anyway. Healing is a very complicated process, and involves ones mind and spirit just as much as ones body. I must also add that the cancer rate in long-term true vegetarians is considerably higher than in omnivores, regardless of how they try to tout the benefits of their diets. We all react differently, and end up with different opinions.I think we need to do whatever feels right for us at the time,and go with our own intuition.

Blessings....

-- Earthmama (earthmama48@yahoo.com), November 12, 2000.



Lenore, thanks. will check it out. So much contradictory info published. I guess we will have to wade thru it and hope we hit what works for the Queen. John

-- John in S. IN (jsmengel@hotmail.com), November 13, 2000.

I'm afraid no one really has the answer to this but God. I do feel there is much to be gained by proper diet. That is more natural food, less chemicals and less processing, more vegetables and fruits, less meat, more food as God prepared it for us. I'm not so sure that one can heal oneself with this kind of diet. Being a nurse, I would be hesitant to not avail myself of the vast knowledge of the medical profession. As far as George Malkmus, I have done his diet before, juicing, Barley Green which he so conviently sells, vegetarian and mostly raw foods. I now feel it is too extreme and probably can be very harmful to some people. I know someone with liver cancer who has gone on his diet and he is loosing so much weight, he had to add some regular food to his diet. George himself claims to have been cured of colon cancer with his diet. In reality from what he says, he was diagnosed by a chiropractor!! He didn't have Xrays or see a conventional medical doctor but a chiropractor felt his colon and told him he had cancer the size of a grapefruit! Can a chiropractor diagnose cancer that way? I doubt it. I am always leary of someone who claims "their way" will do so many wonderful things when they are selling something which you need to do this! I'm not saying they are all quacks, just research and question everything before you buy into it. I personally feel diet is extremely important for prevention and may possibly cure some things. I also feel the medical profession has so much to offer that it shouldn't automatically be scratched off. No they are not perfect, but I do personally know some very caring doctors who really care about their patients. That is the reason most of them went into the profession. Probably we can gain from both sides, just research,and that goes for the medical profession too! One last thing, when I was on George Malkmus' "GOd's Way to Ultimate health" diet, I had to have surgery and was so anemic that I had to have blood transfusions - 6 units - which is a lot of blood!

-- bwilliams (bjconthefarm@yahoo.com), November 13, 2000.

Some research has shown that many/most types of cancers prefer sugar for food (remember, all carbohydrates turn into simple sugars when digested, regardless of their source), so something that has been helpful as an adjunct to regular medical treatment is to eliminate all sources of carbohydrates from the diet. I would suggest that anything you do be done WITH the regular medical treatment, not instead of it -- that way, you've got all bases covered. Melanoma can be cured if removed promptly before they get a chance to spread. My husband had one removed ten years ago, while it was still small, and has had no recurrence, though we keep a good eye on him, as he'd had a couple of precancerous moles removed prior to that, and his family seems to be prone to this type of skin cancer. They do commonly show up on parts of the body that are NOT exposed to the sun, by the way, unlike some of the other skin cancers. Greg's was just under his belt.

-- Kathleen Sanderson (stonycft@worldpath.net), November 13, 2000.

I've read the book "A Cure for All Cancers" by Hulda Clark. Her premise is that parasites cause cancer. In fact, most cancer programs have a parasite cleanse attached to them. Something to think about.

-- Mary Fraley (kmfraley@orwell.net), November 13, 2000.

If I had cancer I wouldn't mess around. I agree with having tumors removed. Sometimes this helps to get the bulk of the mess out so the immune system (with a little help) can take care of the rest. Personally, I think chemo and radiation are bad ideas. Here are some things I would do if I had cancer. I hope my suggestions are helpful. First, educate yourself about nutrition. Vegetarianism is not the best diet for everyone. Try www.WestonAPrice.org for some really great and balanced nutrition info. When you are facing an enemy like cancer you need a really big gun. MGN-3 is the biggest gun available. It is the most powerful immune stimulant (In my humble opinion). It is expensive but it is worth it to keep living. It is a natural supplement. If you cannot find this at your local health food store, you can e-mail me and I will send you a mail order source. I took MGN-3 and I feel it really helped me with some health problems I had.

-- Tiffani Cappello (cappello@alltel.net), November 13, 2000.


If I had cancer I wouldn't mess around. I agree with having tumors removed. Sometimes this helps to get the bulk of the mess out so the immune system (with a little help) can take care of the rest. Personally, I think chemo and radiation are bad ideas. Here are some things I would do if I had cancer. I hope my suggestions are helpful. First, educate yourself about nutrition. Vegetarianism is not the best diet for everyone. Try www.WestonAPrice.org for some really great and balanced nutrition info. I also took Ojibwa Tea (same herbs as Essiac for about 100 dollars less a month). This stuff is incredible and has done alot for me. If I had cancer I would not be without it.

I agree that a good green drink is essential. I take Green Alchemy. It is the best I have ever come across. It has alot of good stuff in it. Do read Max Gerson's A Cancer Therapy. Also try www.keephope.net. This is Mark Konlee's site. The man is a genuis. The site is for people with immune problems with a strong emphasis on AIDS and CFIDS. However, if your willing to sift through the info you'll find most of it helpful. His book How To Overcome Immune Dysfunction was written for people with cancer and well as a variety of illnesses. It is simply the best. I cannot emphasize this enough. IT IS THE BEST BOOK ON IMMUNE STIMULATION TO OVERCOME DISEASE I HAVE EVER SEEN. Mark has compiled info it will take you months to search out on your own. I think the whole book is on-line at the above web site.E-mial me if anything is unclear. Oh almost forgot. You can get Ojibwa at www.tealady.net or from the same mail order source I get it from. When you are facing a big enemy like cancer you need the biggest gun you can get. I would not be without MGN-3. MGN-3 is araboxylane compound (rice bran extract hydrolzed with an extract of Shitake mushroom).It is backed by alot of research. I have a woman's phone number who is writting out research on this natural product now. If you want it e-mail me. I do not want to post it. Last I heard they were looking for research study participants. It is the most powerful immune stimulant that there is(In my humble opinion). It is expensive but it is worth it to keep living. It is a natural supplement. If you cannot find this at your local health food store, you can e-mail me and I will send you a mail order source. I took MGN- 3 and I feel it really helped me with some problems I had.

OH boy I think I really fouled up this post. I hope it is understandable.

-- Tiffani Cappello (cappello@alltel.net), November 13, 2000.


If I i had cancer I wouldn't mess around. I agree with having tumors removed. Sometimes this helps to get the bulk of the mess out so the immune system (with a little help) can take care of the rest. Personally, I think chemo and radiation are bad ideas. Here are some things I would do if I had cancer. I hope my suggestions are helpful. First, educate yourself about nutrition. Vegetarianism is not the best diet for everyone. Try www.WestonAPrice.org for some really great and balanced nutrition info. I also took Ojibwa Tea (same herbs as Essiac for about 100 dollars less a month). This stuff is incredible and has done alot for me. If I had cancer I would not be without it.

I agree that a good green drink is essential. I take Green Alchemy. It is the best I have ever come across. It has alot of good stuff in it. Do read Max Gerson's A Cancer Therapy. Also try www.keephope.net. This is Mark Konlee's site. The man is a genuis. The site is for people with immune problems with a strong emphasis on AIDS and CFIDS. However, if your willing to sift through the info you'll find most of it helpful. His book How To Overcome Immune Dysfunction was written for people with cancer and well as a variety of illnesses. It is simply the best. I cannot emphasize this enough. IT IS THE BEST BOOK ON IMMUNE STIMULATION TO OVERCOME DISEASE I HAVE EVER SEEN. Mark has compiled info it will take you months to search out on your own. I think the whole book is on-line at the above web site.E-mial me if anything is unclear. Oh almost forgot. You can get Ojibwa at www.tealady.net or from the same mail order source I get it from. When you are facing a big enemy like cancer you need the biggest gun you can get. I would not be without MGN-3. MGN-3 is araboxylane compound (rice bran extract hydrolzed with an extract of Shitake mushroom).It is backed by alot of research. I have a woman's phone number who is writting out research on this natural product now. If you want it e-mail me. I do not want to post it. Last I heard they were looking for research study participants. It is the most powerful immune stimulant that there is(In my humble opinion). It is expensive but it is worth it to keep living. It is a natural supplement. If you cannot find this at your local health food store, you can e-mail me and I will send you a mail order source. I took MGN- 3 and I feel it really helped me with some problems I had.

OH boy I think I really fouled up this post. I hope it is understandable.

-- T. Cappello (cappello@alltel.net), November 13, 2000.


I agree with those of you that think what we eat plays a large part in our health and disease. I am consciously trying to change my diet to ensure more healthful eating. I also agree in researching things for yourself and using what intuitively feels right. I also believe that is God speaking to us. I have tried to eliminate carbohydrates as much as possible and sugars completely. I was having trouble in figuring out what to have for breakfast that wasn't carbohydrates and I have found that apples and pears and carrots and celery and nuts is working well for me. They seem to be the food that I enjoy for breakfast and the only sugar I am getting is in the fruit and carrots. I don't mind natural sugars. I am just trying to avoid the processed kind. Keeping away from carbohydrates is also helping me to stay away from gluten so I am killing two birds with one stone. I'll let you know how things go after a few months. So far, so good.

-- Colleen (pyramidgreatdanes@erols.com), November 14, 2000.

colleen, I think you are very smart in trying to eliminate sugar, esp.white sugar. That is one of the most harmful, overprocessed foods there is, but it sure is good isn't it? However, I do think we need some grains, whole grains as in whole wheat, corn, oats, barley and so forth. Beans are also a good source of nutrition. Personally I don't think any one food is THE answer. I believe we need a well rounded diet of natural, minimaly processed, organic foods, that includes some meat (although not as much as most Americans eat), grains, fruits and vegetables. This leaves out most prepared foods that have been processed. The closer to natural a food is the better. For this reason we eat real butter (in small amounts) as oposed to margarine which is an artificial food. We try as much as we can to stay away from anything that is manufactured which is an awful lot of the food in the supermarkets. I could go on and on but I'm sure you get the idea!

-- bwilliams (bjconthefarm@yahoo.com), November 14, 2000.

Vaughn, don't completely give up surgical removal and radiation/chemo as a cancer treatment. Caught early, many types of cancer, most notably, breast, skin, prostate, and throat cancers are best treated surgically, with chemo/radiation if necessary. Get at least two opinions, more if you are still uncomfortable with a diagnosis. My father is alive today after having a cancerous prostate removed ten years ago, it was huge, but had not spread at the time of removal, so he did not need chemo/radiation therapy afterward. An aunt is also alive after having a major breast cancer removed over 20 years ago, she had extensive chemo/radiation afterward, but is fine, and quite healthy now.

Could they have recovered on their own with alternative treatments? We will never know, perhaps a miracle, or spontaneous healing could have taken place, but I do know that they are with us now due to what some highly skilled medical professionals did for them, and for that, I am eternally grateful. Annie in SE OH.

-- Annie Miller (annie@1st.net), November 14, 2000.


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