From NY Times, Oct 8, 2000. (partial article). I wonder who would be a Humvee?

Among Men, It's Bush the Maserati by a Mile

By TODD S. PURDUM

LOS ANGELES, Oct. 7  When Gov. Gray Davis's political advisers want to take Californians' temperatures on the presidential race in voter focus groups, they ask a question that might sound goofy: if Al Gore and George W. Bush were cars, what would they be?

"Among men, Gore is viewed as a Ford Taurus, a Chevy station wagon, a Volvo, safe and kind of boxy," said Garry South, the chief political aide for Mr. Davis, a Democrat. "With Bush, you get things like Maserati and Mustang convertible, and by no means all of the men who say that are doing it pejoratively. They're saying: `Wait a minute; that guy's like who I'd like to be.' "

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), October 07, 2000

Answers

Lars:

Gore: There are no Chevy station wagons. Volvo and Taurus are ok. Just rented a new Taurus and it worked really well.

Bush: I would say a Pontiac T1000 or a Yugo. Nothing works and you know it is going to break. You grit your teeth waiting. :^)

As I see it.

Best wishes,,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), October 07, 2000.

LOL - who did they ask, assholes?

Bush is more like a Jaguar... pretentious, costly, inefficient, doesn't run worth shit, and the best way to fix him is to send him out of the country.

-- (bush@jack.ass), October 07, 2000.

--:

Funny thing is that after Ford bought Jag they replaced all of the defective parts with stuff from the Taurus. That is why they no longer break into blazes, without warning. LOL

Of course the other named brands are also Ford. More LOL.

Best wishes,,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), October 07, 2000.

Bush is like one of my trucks, a Toyota 4x4 that has never failed me yet. On the otherhand, Gore is exactly like my Ford 4x4 Ranger, it stutters around 45 mph, it over heats when the air conditioner is on, I've had to replace the radiator, transmission, and several other parts that should not have worn out so fast. I ready to unload this lemon.

-- george w 4 me (geow4meee@geowwwww.vcom), October 07, 2000.

Bush is like one of those peddle-cars that only rich kids get from their parents. Gore is like one of those cars witht their wires crossed that signal right when you put on the left turn signal.

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), October 07, 2000.

"They're saying: `Wait a minute; that guy's like who I'd like to be.' "

Give me a break! Is this guy serious? Who in their right mind would want to be a fucked-in-the-head immature alcoholic snot, weaned into wealth because greedy oil tycoons wanted to take advantage of his father's political power?

Who is this Todd Purdum anyway? Either he has a really lame sense of humor or there is some advantage for him to be gained by kissing Bush's ass.

-- (is.this@for.real?), October 07, 2000.

I read this on Drudge the other day: "Little Al Gore's black nanny had to sit outside a restaurant while the Gore family enjoyed a fine meal. Black's weren't allowed to eat in restaurants with white folks. Little Al would often take a sandwich out to the car for nanny, while she waited." Hmmmm, I wonder if the car was a cadillac?

-- roller blader (rollerblader@rollinrollinrollin.com), October 07, 2000.

WASHINGTON, Oct. 7  Vice President Al Gore, responding to intensifying Republican attacks on his credibility, said today that he did not have a problem with embellishment that should cause concern about his character, and he accused Gov. George W. Bush of waging personal attacks rather than focusing on issues.

In a 30-minute conference call with reporters, which was intended to highlight education issues that he will emphasize next week, Mr. Gore took several questions about what Republicans are portraying as a pattern of exaggeration about often incidental matters.

On Friday, Mr. Bush's running mate, Dick Cheney, said Mr. Gore "seems to have a compulsion to embellish," and Republican strategists have made it clear that they will continue to press the issue.

Mr. Gore acknowledged today that he has made occasional factual mistakes, as when he said in Tuesday's debate that he had accompanied James Lee Witt, the director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, to inspect fire and flooding damage in Texas in 1998. Mr. Gore did visit Texas, but with one of Mr. Witt's deputies, not with Mr. Witt. Mr. Gore has said that he made the mistake because he has frequently made trips of that sort with Mr. Witt.

In response to questions, Mr. Gore said that he did not have a tendency to embellish his risumi and that his misstatements did not point to a deeper character flaw. He then tried to turn the tables, asserting that he does not make personal attacks against Mr. Bush when the governor misstates the facts. He went on to describe two such comments.

Mr. Gore said it "could be characterized as an exaggeration" when Mr. Bush said in the debate that the Gore campaign was outspending the Bush campaign.

"But," Mr. Gore said, "I didn't seize on that as anything other than a mistake that he made. When he said that there were 20,000 new bureaucrats called for in my budget plan, similarly I don't describe that as fictitious or an exaggeration. It's just a mistake on his part."

Even as he pointed out Mr. Bush's "mistakes," Mr. Gore said he was not denigrating his rival's character.

"These are negative personal attacks of the kind I simply do not engage in," Mr. Gore said. "The Republican ticket announced a few weeks ago that they were going to adopt a new strategy of focusing on the issues, but they have completely abandoned that strategy and they are focused almost entirely on personal attacks."

Mr. Gore stood by his decision in the debate to illustrate the problem of school crowding by speaking of a 15-year-old girl in Sarasota, Fla., who had to stand in class. In fact, school officials have said, the girl was without a desk for only one day.

"They tried to make that out to be an exaggeration," Mr. Gore said of the Republicans. "Well, excuse me, her father wrote me a handwritten letter, enclosing a picture on the front page of The Sarasota Herald Tribune of his daughter standing in class on the ninth day of school."

If the girl later received a desk, he said, "that doesn't change the fact that there are 36 students in a classroom designed for 24."

He also stood by his rebuff of Mr. Bush's suggestion that Russia should have tried to use its influence to persuade Slobodan Milosevic to leave office in Yugoslavia. Mr. Gore said that he was "not sure it's right for us to invite the president of Russia to mediate this dispute there because we might not like the result."

In fact, the White House had been doing just that, with President Clinton and American diplomats speaking to their Russian counterparts to solicit their support for democratic change in Yugoslavia.

"I stand by exactly what I said," Mr. Gore said today, "that the instinct to involve them is not wrong but we did not want to invite them to be the mediator if they did not agree to the right outcome."

He added: "It appears that they negotiated an arrangement to keep Milosevic in some form of political power as an opposition leader with his hand still in the affairs of Serbia. That is distinctly contrary to what we would like to see happen."

Mr. Gore will leave on Sunday for Sarasota, Fla., where he planned to prepare for Wednesday's debate in Winston-Salem, N.C.

-- Gore Has Integrity (goresup@2000.com), October 07, 2000.

Thanks for that last article. Of course most people are intelligent enough to see the point that Gore is making. It is only the lowlifes like Uncle Deedah and Rush Limbaugh who seem to get their jollies by taking a few petty words from the truth and twisting into convenient lies to suit their agenda. As Gore says, this is only because they don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to the issues which are most important. The only strategy left for them is to sling mud.

-- (gore@rocks.usa), October 08, 2000.

I want a President who is a Harley hawg and will sock it to his momma.

-- (Lorelei@lubricious.lips), October 08, 2000.

gore@rocks,

Silly crap. A Bush victory will restore an inquisitive, investigative press largely lacking for the last 8 years. Limbaugh, Drudge & their fellows are the only ones paying attention this most corrupt administration since Caligula and that doesn't serve any of us well.

BTW, don't piss off the Unk unless you like mold. Lots of it.

-- Carlos (riffraff@cybertime.net), October 08, 2000.

It is only the lowlifes like Uncle Deedah and Rush Limbaugh who seem to get their jollies by taking a few petty words from the truth and twisting into convenient lies to suit their agenda.

Oh golly, I've been insulted by a pussy too afraid to post a name. Oh the pain, the pain! Here's a hint, moron, when Dubya amasses a record of twisting the truth that approaches Gore's I will bitch about him too. That may take some time to accomplish, since Al cannot seem to help himself, even though he HAS BEEN WARNED ABOUT IT BY HIS OWN STAFF!!!! I think the fact that AL'S OWN STAFF warned him about twisting the truth says volumes more than some anon pussy insult, don't you, anon pussy?

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), October 08, 2000.

George W:

Interesting. Toyota and Ranger 4 x 4's. I had the same collection but my experience was different. The Toyota was a nice driving truck and worked well as long as you treated it as a car with really inconvenient seating. If you tried to use it as a truck it constantly broke. I finally sold it to someone in town who could use it as it was intended. It impressed me as a truck for someone who really didn't need a truck. In contrast, I still have the ranger.

Best wishes,,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), October 08, 2000.

Since Gore/Lieberman advocate all those wonderful credits -- I especially liked the one about the college credit, so all families will have an opportunity to send their kids to college.

And Bush/Cheney, want to get off the "just say no" spin that accomplishes nothing, and want to nip the education problem at it's ROOT -- 4th graders still can't read (what good is a college credit to illerates?)

then I see Gore driving a shiny SUV that is functional, but seldom goes off-road to get's a little mud on it's wheels. The "shine" is all important and he wouldn't think of risking a little dirt.

Bush is driving a 4x4 with a few scrapes, but drives it hard and makes full use of it's intended functionality. His vehicle gets mud over the roof. He's not afraid of a car wash.

-- (doomerstomper@usa.net), October 08, 2000.

but don't forget, Gore invented the car wash!

-- butt nugget (catsbutt@umailme.com), October 08, 2000.

Unk:

Here's some ammunition for ya:

On Tuesday night George W. was asked where he would find the money needed to supplement Social Security if people were allowed to put a portion of the payroll tax in private investment accounts, which is estimated would cost the system a trillion dollars over a decade.

Said Mr. Bush: "The trillion dollars comes from the surplus."

This is the granddaddy of all campaign 2000 whoppers. Al Gore, move over. George W.'s got you beat.

As New York Times columnist Paul Krugman has noted recently in three separate columns, Bush's numbers don't add up.

Here's the arithmetic. The budget surplus is estimated to be $4.6 trillion. Subtract from that the cost of W.'s $1.6 trillion tax cut and you're left with $3 trillion ($4.6 trillion-$1.6 trillion=$3 trillion). Subtract the cost of his additional spending programs and you're left with $2.5 trillion ($3 trillion-$1/2 trillion=$2.5 trillion).

That's certainly enough to cover the $1 trillion dollar shortfall that privatizing would cost. Except that Bush and the Republicans have promised not to touch this $2.5 trillion. For it's the part, give or take a couple of hundred billion, that comes from the projected surpluses in the Social Security and Medicare trust funds.

Eyes hurting yet? Bush is counting on that. While Al keeps getting little anecdotes wrong, like whether or not he visited Texas in 1998 with the director or the deputy director of FEMA, Bush figures people won't notice when he gets big numbers wrong.

I know I don't know what a trillion dollars is. The Bush campaign obviously thinks you don't either.

So where does he come up with that extra trillion? He's not saying.

---------------------------------------------------------------------- That Vice President Al Gore exaggerates, embellishes and stretches the truth at times has been well documented, and both the news media and George W. Bush have tried to make Gore's integrity a central issue in the campaign. So it is all the more glaring that the media have let Governor Bush get away with a lie more central to his campaign than any of Gore's laughable misrepresentations about his role in Love Story, his mother's arthritis drugs or a union lullaby.

Education is a core issue in this election, and to highlight his qualifications Bush touts himself as an accomplished education reformer whose policies have led to real results. The problem is that Bush completely misrepresents the facts -- and as a result his claim that he deserves credit for improving education in Texas is about as valid as Al Gore inventing the Internet.

On his website, Bush states that as a result of his education reforms, "Texas is one of two states that has made the greatest recent progress in education, according to the congressionally- mandated National Education Goals Panel." He also draws from a recent study by the non-partisan Rand corporation saying that public school students in Texas have made greater gains than students in the rest of the country. "In Texas George Bush raised standards, and test scores soared," declares a campaign ad he released last week. "Now Texas leads the nation in academic improvement."

Both Rand and the National Education Goals Panel do indeed praise the progress in Texas. But not because of anything Governor Bush has done. That's because the test scores and the progress they evaluate are largely from the years before Bush became governor.

The Goals Panel bases its conclusions on test scores from 1992 to 1996, and the Rand study uses scores from 1990 to 1996 -- yet Bush didn't take his oath of office until January 1995. The real education heroes in Texas were Ross Perot, who led a commission in the mid- 1980s to reform Texas public schools, and former Democratic Governor Mark White, who pushed through legislation to enact the reforms. Bush is taking credit for the work of others.

Unfortunately, the misrepresentations don't stop there. In the same Rand study that Bush wrongfully uses to praise himself, the authors link the educational gains to smaller class size and increased access to quality preschool. Yet Bush opposes federal funding for preschool initiatives and for programs to reduce class size.

Even worse is when he indicts the Clinton-Gore administration for presiding over an "education recession," the theme du jour of his campaign. A recent Bush ad argues that America has fallen far short of its education goals, citing the bellwether fact that "most fourth graders in our cities can't read" -- and it tells us that the candidate best able to lead us to the promised land of literacy is the one who already has done it, George W. Bush. According to his website, "Governor Bush believes reading is the gateway to learning and will ensure that every disadvantaged child can read by third grade."

Yet the same National Education Goals Panel he deceptively uses to boost his candidacy shows that on this key indicator of educational success -- early reading -- Governor Bush himself presides over an education recession, if not a depression.

According to a more recent Goals Panel report than the one Bush cites, Texas ranks below the national average in the percentage of fourth graders who meet performance standards in reading. Unlike the statistics Bush uses, these numbers come from 1998, which means they cover most of Bush's first term as governor. Only 29 percent of Texas fourth graders perform at or above the Goals Panel performance standard, compared to 31 percent nationwide. It's even worse for eighth graders -- 28 percent in Texas versus 33 percent nationwide.

"Between 1992 and 1998," the Goals Panel writes, "there was no significant change in the percentage of [Texas] public school fourth graders who met the Goals Panel's performance standard in reading."

The numbers clearly show that Bush did not sustain the progress he was handed when he became governor of Texas. How can Bush "ensure that every disadvantaged child can read by third grade" if he has failed to come even close to that goal in Texas? In education, George W. Bush started on third base, claims he hit a triple, doesn't score the run, and lies about the outcome. That's neither honest nor effective leadership.

The big question is why the press has not scrutinized Bush on these issues with the same rigor it applies to Gore. Had Gore been caught stretching the truth this way, it would be front page news, rightly so.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 08, 2000.

Hey, no serious political talk allowed. I insist that this thread return to the subject---presidential candidates as personififed by cars. This is serious front page NYT stuff. What type of car would Browne, Nader and Buchanon be?

I say that Browne would be a dune buggy that he kluged together in his backyard. Nader would be a PC Volvo. Buchanon would be something made in Detroit with no foreign parts. In other words Buchanon would not be a car.

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), October 08, 2000.

OK, back to cars.

Harry Browne is my Ford F-250 4X4 work truck. He has about 180,000 miles on him, but he just keeps on going. Nobody pumps a lot of money into his journey, and he is far from the prettiest thing on the road, but he gets up everyday and does the work expected of him and more.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), October 08, 2000.

Gore = Lincoln Towncar...big but not cozy, shiny, impersonal and cold. Kind of like a big reptile/snake.

Bush = Ferrari...midlife crisis, rich fratboy, trying reeeeally hard to impress the chicks.

This is going by looks and first impressions only. What the heck do I know about politics. Here's a clue: not much. =)

-- cin (cin@=0.)), October 08, 2000.

"he HAS BEEN WARNED ABOUT IT BY HIS OWN STAFF!!!! I think the fact that AL'S OWN STAFF warned him about twisting the truth says volumes more than some anon pussy insult, don't you, anon pussy?"

LOL, this moron obviously has his brain hard-wired to the Rush Limbaugh show, and he is stupid enough to believe everything the fatso spews. He even yells just like Rush!

"Anon pussy" or not, doesn't change the fact that you are a loudmouthed idiot who thinks you're oh so tough because you can lie, insult, and brag about how "macho" you are. LOL, what a jerkoff.

-- uncle poopah (be careful@ you. might have a stroke), October 08, 2000.

Poopah person:

I'd like to see the reference to Al's own staff warning him about his exaggerations, as well. Got a link, Unk?

OTOH, this thread was, apparently, designed to be an airhead thread, as indicated by Lars' comments on "No serious political discussion" and Unk's quick return to candidates as cars. Who was it that said not so long ago on this forum that women voted without facts?

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 08, 2000.

I don't doubt that his staff may be concerned about the way his opponents are taking small discrepancies in the facts and making them out to be deliberate lies, but they certainly have not warned Gore to be more careful about "lying", because that isn't what is happening. Actually, it should be the responsibility of his staff to check into these things, but they may be difficult to verify at the pace at which his campaign is moving.

Bottom line: Do these trivial misunderstandings of irrelevant details matter to intelligent voters? No. Should Gore staff waste endless hours trying to confirm nitpicky details, even if they do not change the point being made, just to protect Gore from attacks by opponents who are going to attack him regardless? No.

-- (trivial@mudslinging.irrelevant), October 08, 2000.

Lenora Falani is a Moskvich, the shoddy Soviet era people's car. Huddled in her back seat, beneathe a ratty bearskin, is Patrick Buchanon who earlier this year had a bizarre political alliance with Falani.

Gore has repositioned himself to a Chrysler PT Cruiser which he tells people is a 1930's Classic Car.

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), October 08, 2000.

RELEASED: MEMOS TO GORE WARNED OF STRETCHING TRUTH; FULL TEXT MADE PUBLIC

**Exclusive**

The DRUDGE REPORT on Friday released memos written to Al Gore by his staff that warned of Gore's impulse to embellish.

Published reports earlier this year quoted from the memos, written in 1987 and 1988 by Gore campaign staffers. The full text is now released.

Staffers warned then-Senator Gore that a tendency to "stretch" the truth could get him into serious trouble.

MORE

TO: Al FROM: Mike [Mike Kopp, the campaign's deputy press secretary]

RE: Attacks on your credibility

9/9/87

Weve been hearing an increasing number of remarks from members of the press corps (national, and regional) about your tendency to go out on a limb with remarks about your campaign. It is clear that at least one of the other campaigns, Gephardts, has picked up on this and is helping to fan the flames.

In the past few reporters cared if you stretched the truth to make a point or as an applause line. But gone are those days. Because of your steady climb in the polls and Nunns departure, we are becoming increasingly scrutinized, particularly by the national press.

Your remark on Face the Nation is a good example of how one comment can generate a behind-the-scenes attack by one of our opponents, in this case Gephardt. Granted that our relationship with Post reporters is not great, by Maralee Schwartz was on the kill armed with your comment from Face the Nation that you had campaigned more extensively than all the other candidates put together in the South. That comment is not easy to defend. Fortunately it came out in the press in August, and was dismissed by several reporters I spoke to (Kevin Sack; Mike Pigott; Howard Fineman; Strobe Talbot) as inside the Beltway news. But Maralee told me, during the course of our numerous lengthy conversations that day; that you have a growing reputation as a politician who stretches the truth to suit a political moment.

Your remark in Texas which was widely circulated by AP outside of the state that you intend to campaign more days than all the other candidates combined in that state did not go unnoticed. Kevin Sack brought it to my attention (though he did not write anything about it) and Im certain hes filed it away.

This impression that you stretch the truth (or say something one place and something different elsewhere) reared its ugly head in Portland with your remarks about women staffers in your campaign, and in your Administration. You know the problems that created for you at the news conference that followed your remarks to the group, but you should be aware that press clips I am still getting from contacts on the West Coast indicate it was widely reported. As you know Gephardts staff told Howard Fineman to ask you about it when he interviewed you for the mini-profile last week.

p.2

On a related note, Jim O-Hara and Bruce Dobie (Nashville Banner and Tennessean reporters), asked me why you felt compelled to switch ribbons on the cattle for a photo opportunity at the Iowa State Fair. I mention that only to make a point that even the smallest action on your part is not going unnoticed. They may not write about it at length, but they are talking among themselves, and your credibility suffered as a result of it.

The point of all this is to caution you about your press image, and how it may continue to suffer if you continue to go out on a limb with remarks that may be impossible to back up. And to point out to you that the other campaigns are also watching this closely, and will continue to seize on opportunities to zing you as you continue to rise in popularity.

The burden is not all on your shoulders. We have got to be more aggressive with the media on all levels. Arlies help should help make the difference.

_______________________________________________________________

February 15, 1988

TO: AL FM: ARLIE [Arlie Schardt, campaign press secretary]

This is very important.

As Ive mentioned to you the past couple of days, Nolan Walters of Knight-Ridder has been nosing into your past. He thought hed uncovered a scandal re your 1969 loan from the Production Credit Association to buy 20 acres of your Dads farm. Todd Campbell gathered all the relevant documents and we have now let the wind out of his balloon on that one.

However, Walters is continuing to pursue diligently a story in which he wants to discredit your resume, primarily as it concerns your claims to be or have been (1) a farmer and (2) homebuilder.

Walters is making the Texas trip with you this week. He will be asking you about the above. He has made many calls to people in Tennessee and plowed through lots of records. He is therefore very familiar with your past activities and will undoubtedly ask you about them in hopes of catching you in an exaggeration.

re

Therefore, /above, do not overstate your degree of involvement as a farmer or former homebuilder.

POINTS RE HOMEBUILDER ROLE

Walters questioned Walter Robinson extensively. He also questioned the owners of the homes in Tanglewood. Walters is trying to establish that you could not really have been active in the housing development when you were also going to school and working as a reporter.

Answer: I had a long talk with Robinson to ascertain Walters line of questioning. Walters was openly skeptical of your role in the development. Robinson countered with the following:

-Robinson told Walters that it was your project, that you put it together, but of course you needed the help of many people to make it a success (same as any other businessman).

-Robinson told Walters that you personally sold 2 or 3 of the lots. Also that you, Robinson, Tipper and your Dad all met from time to time to plan the development and decide what kinds of houses to build. Robinson says It was Als business. He was conducting it.

-BOTTOM LINE: You should say I didnt drive all the nails or pour concrete, but I did put together that business venture. It was up to me to see that it was a financial success, because if it wasnt, I was the one who would lose his money.

The main point is to be careful not overstate your role.

(MORE)

Page 2 Nolan Walters Interview 2/15/88

RE YOUR ROLE AS A FARMER

1. Your staff has never exaggerated your role as a farmer. The campaign bio we distribute everywhere says only He owns a small livestock farm near Carthage where he and his family reside when Congress is not in session. Your Senate bio says the same.

2. No one except you can really establish how much youve worked as a farmer, or how much you can be described as a farmer in terms of income or time spent.

You did say near the end of the Iowa race (in the flap over your not taking part in the farm debate a few weeks ago) something like Im the only farmer in this race.

But I suggest that you say that such phrases are a way of establishing your familiarity with farming, your knowledge of farming. In that same vein, youve had fun having your picture taken holding a steer at a state farm. Big deal, Nolan.

Conclusion: As I see these 2 subjects, your main pitfall is exaggeration. Be careful not to overstate your accomplishments in these 2 fields.

YOUR CAMPAIGN FINANCES

Walters is also trying to demonstrate that you received some illegal funds in your first race for Congress. He questioned Robinson about this, since Robinson was your finance manager. Here is what Robinson told Walters:

When Al got into the race it was very sudden, because of Congressman Evans retirement. He needed money quickly, and where else could he turn for help but his family? Then as the campaign got underway, Robinson began to study the newly established federal financing rules and discovered the limit of $1,000 per person. The amounts in excess of $1,000 per person were promptly returned.

Walters counters that the returned funds were returned to you personally. Robinson says the only relevant point is that your Congressional Committee returned the funds. If you parents chose to give you a personal gift, thats their business.

cc: Fred Martin Todd Campbell

END

Now I know these are from many years ago, but it's nice to see that some things don't change. I am unaware of any dispute as to the legitimacy of these memos from the Gore camp.

Oh, and I do not listen to Rush, he is a windbag who grates on my nerves.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), October 08, 2000.

Rush, Sludge, Farah, all the same propaganda crap. I always knew you were not one of the brightest students of life Unk, but now you are seriously disappointing me. You aren't really gullible enough to believe those memos are for real, are you? If you want to be able to tell the difference between the truth and garbage, you're going to need to get a better perspective on your sources of information.

-- (rightwing.conspiracy@for.real), October 08, 2000.

The memos were also covered on CBS news, but I do not have a link. I see that since the message cannot be disputed it is time to attack the messenger.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), October 08, 2000.

"Bottom line: Do these trivial misunderstandings of irrelevant details matter to intelligent voters? No. Should Gore staff waste endless hours trying to confirm nitpicky details, even if they do not change the point being made, just to protect Gore from attacks by opponents who are going to attack him regardless? No.

-- (trivial@mudslinging.irrelevant), October 08, 2000. "

Of course it matters or we wouldn't be talking about it. The media is distancing themselves from Al, and no one would be bringing up Al's lies and inconsistencies if it didn't make for good conversation and laughs.

Want some more good Al Gore laughs? Go here:

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/gore.html

-- ~~~~~~~~ (~~~~~~@~~~~~~~.vcom), October 08, 2000.

"I see that since the message cannot be disputed it is time to attack the messenger."

How quickly we forget! I attack the messenger because the messenger uses unverified propaganda to attack others, accusing Gore of being "a guy who cannot stop lying". It is obvious to me who is doing the lying around here, so you can certainly expect me to respond accordingly.

-- (very@dishonest.strategy), October 08, 2000.

The fact that the Gore campaigne has not disputed those memos is verification enough for me.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), October 08, 2000.

The Gore campaign has better things to do than waste their time with lowlifes like Sludge. He's a bottom feeder. But if he makes you happy, by all means believe what he says.

-- (it's@free.world), October 08, 2000.

Even with all of the lies, Gore is a better kisser than Bush. Period.

-- right to kiss (left@does.better), October 08, 2000.

I've never kissed Gore, and I've never kissed Bush, so what does this have to do with running this country? I'm sure Hitler kissed a few women in his time.

-- Mrs. Cleaver (Mrs. Cleaver@LITBBB.vcom), October 08, 2000.

How exactly does the press obtain E-mails from 12 or 13 years ago? I don't understand how they could obtain E-mails from YESTERDAY, either, but do folks print their E-mails and stick them in folders or something? Are backups taken of everyone's PC contents and stored in a basement somewhere for 13 years? Do Drudge and World Nut Daily have the only keys to the basement?

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), October 09, 2000.