I thought it might be worth re-posting some of the hits of the past - for those folks who weren't here during the big kerfuffle.

"Poole is a worthless disgusting piece of Polly filth for making a joke out of other's suffering. I look forward to the day when we can watch him die painfully because he was too stupid to prepare. -- (gilbert@trentor.org)"

"I plan on doing most of my bartering with polyanna's.Strictly high profit,high gougeable items,t.p.,cough syrup(generic),anti diahreah (worth their weight in dark matter if the sh*t comes down)fever breakers,and of course TAMPONS!!!!a great deal of G.I.'s talk about their preparations without ever mentioning tampons,and there is a huge dependancy of just in time tampons.My wife has purchased several of the washable,reusable menstrual cup,"the keeper"they were 35 bucks.If possible problems run longterm,these will be essential,there's more about them on the y2k women site,one of the best prep sites.zoob. -- zoobie (zoob@aol.com), April 25, 1999.

Those of us that have "insurance" just have to pick you people off before you break in to our homes. Outside of THAT, we'll just sit back and watch you people die off.

Dennis Olson, July 1999

All those that didn't prepare are sinners and will enjoy eternal damnation.

Infidel (Barbarians@thegete.net), December 21, 1999.

"I AM SO SICK OF YOU LOW IQ POLLYANNA IDIOTS....YOU ARE GOING TO DIE IN 3 WEEKS, SO STOP SPAMMING UP OUR BOARD AND GO BUY SOME FOOD YOU LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!!! "

p.s. I hate you!

Rational Doomer (doomer@big.time), December 12, 1999

"They will go away by slow painful death."

-- wacko (gonewackie@aol.com), December 12, 1999.

"THE CHEAPEST WAY TO OBTAIN NIGHT VISION EQUIPTMENT IS REMOVE IT FROM THE CADAVER OF U.N.FORCE MEMBERS AFTER THEY DESCOVER WHAT A FREE AND ARMED POPULATION IS CAPABLE OF!"

rumpled foreskin (hillarysucks@lesbo.org), December 01, 1999.

"Amen. That's how I figure I'll end up with my NV. And a new weapon or two. I know they don't want to come to Idaho. We're ready.

anonymous (anonymous@anonymous.com), December 01, 1999.

"Do I wish to see the present Federal governmnet completely disemboweled? Yes, absolutely"

Paul Milne (fedinfo@halifax.com), July 05, 1999.

"I hope ALL democrats die in Y2K.

-- goldbug (goldbug@mint.com), December 07, 1999.

"Another Polly is dead. Good riddance. The rest will follow shortly anyway when TSHTF."

(its@coming.soon), August 15, 1999.

"Just about any sacrifice is worth getting rid of it (federal government) and moving BACK to a Constitutional republic with extremely limited Federal government powers. Even if it means the decimation of the population. If the population is 'content' to live under this tyranny, then they deserve to be wiped out as a result of Y2k. They do not deserve to call themselves 'Americans' because they have not the first clue what an 'American' is."

Paul Milne, August 1, 1999.

"If the government becomes a tyranny, it needs to be destroyed. If the majority of those people support that tyranny, then they need to go too."

Milne, November 7,, 1999.

"I don't know about you all, but I'm right tired of the world as we know it....Can't wait for the sound of them cosmic keys jingling and that big voice boomin' across the skies, "Gentlemen....its closin' time." and the Spirit andmthe bride say, "Come, Lord Jesus!"

Jay Urban (Jayho99@aol.com), November 01, 1999

"This culture offers us corporate slavery and snickers bars, two car garages and shiney chains. The people are such contented cattle they'll never wake up to the fact that we need a revolution.I pray that y2k will bring teotwaWki bad enough that we loose the trust that has enabled us to be so complacently enslaved.Our numbers are too high anyway,if our species is lucky it'll be a few billion dead and not just a few million.The species doesn't need you or me just enough genetic diversity to ensure survival.Maybe then our species won't suicide like it appears to be so eager to do."

I pray for TEOTWAWKI (hopeful@doome.r), November 01, 1999.

"I would like to know if us on the West coast will ba ablle to see New York City go down when the ball falls in time square?"

Larry Lamb (gfmd@tgi.net), November 02, 1999.

"As long as "diversity" (3rd-world immigration) and "multi- culturalism" (anything goes) continues the USA will continue to drift from being a Christian (like it or not) cohesive nation to New World Odor"

Anonymous99 (Anonymous99@Anonymous99.xxx), September 09, 1999.

"People who want to survive Y2K should be prepared to kill."

(its@coming.soon), July 27, 1999.

"So, of course I want to see y2k bring down the system, all over the world. I have hoped for this all of my adult life." -- Gary North

"Nobody gives a flying f*** what you pollies post anyway. Life is to short, quit wasteing your time. The gene pool will be cleansed soon enough."

FLAMEAWAY (blehman202@aol.com), November 05, 1999.

"To be honest, the first one that is able to rend the mainstream press mute, would be one of the greatest American Heroes since Washington."

INVAR (gundark@sw.net), November 07, 1999.

"The government "strategy" seems most suited to facilitating a 5 to 7 scenario.

This is why I often root for a 9 or a 10. Time to thin the herd (flock), and hopefully take the shepherd, also. "

A (A@AisA.com), November 25, 1999.

"Klinton's plan is simple. He will turn out the power in NYC when the ball drops. Then declare martial law to stop the riots. Special UN troops will spread across the country burning and looting in each time zone as the hour passes and the lights are turned off. By Saturday noon, it will all be over.

Better be ready for the resistance movement."

NOWAY TOO MANY SPIES (AIN"TNOWAY@TODAY.COM), November 25, 1999.

"Check www.garynorth.com under martial law. Klinton is ready to make his move using Y2K chaos as cover to impose UN control over America. Its guaranteed this was all predicted in the BIBLE and now it comes to pass!

Klinton has ruined this country over past 8 years. Economically and socially the country is in tatters and depression, never has this country been in worser shape than now. No one can get a job, immorality and vice and drugs are everywhere. Klinton destroyed our armed forces, he even gave the atom bomb to Red China! And he did NOTHING about Y2K! Why? Because Y2K chaos is his chance to take over the country! Everyone knows this but no one did anything to stop him! Now Klinton, along with liberals and Jewish anti-Christian media are ready to make their move. Check out sightings. Check out troop movements of UN and NWO forces throughout the country. In San Diego they are building concentration camps. I saw them myself! UN vehichles are being stored in Texas. NATO troops have been sited in Modesto, making their move. Check our gary north for the details. And in 5 weeks the Y2K bug will devaste this country like nothing ever before giving perfect chance for,Klinton and Jewish liberals to make their move and enslave America and patriats. It has finally come to this.

Get your guns, your beans and your Bibles out. When UN and NATO troops make their move be prepared to resist their satantic push for world domination. Ferret out all non-christian traitors. Lock and load, and close ranks!"

Cal Talit (ctal@apple.com), November 25, 1999

The problem with tolerating polly's is that by the end of January they will be demanding that the government find our supplies and distribute them to the masses, And then we have to kill them.

goldbug (goldbug@mint.com), December 12, 1999.

BOOM, Y2K Pro, YOU'RE DEAD!!! You mindless, pathetic gov't robot. BT hehehehhe :)

-- "Bible Thumper" (Y2K-Pro@is-govt-shill.com), December 12, 1999.

Those who prepared will sleep safe in their bed, while those that did not will sadly be dead.

(its@coming.soon), December 21, 1999.

Steve, thanks for the effort.....but it is over. The Queers have won. Only Jesus can rescue me now! It was over before it began.

-- Kyle (fordtbonly@aol.com), January 28, 2000.

-- Y2K Pro (y2kpro1@hotmail.com), September 26, 2000

Answers

You know, you used to post this stuff on the old forum as if were indicative of the true nature of those who were preparing for Y2K. What you probably never thought about though is that if TB I was really as ugly as you claimed it was, it would have been obvious without you needing to hand pick these messages out of the 300,000+ messages there.

TB I was a forum where a lot of different points of view were expressed. Don't confuse the actions of a few with those of the majority. Are all whites in South Carolina racist? Of course not. Have a majority of blacks been in trouble with the law? Of course not.

It's not a good idea to pre-judge groups of people, because groups are always made out of individuals who defy easy catagories.

-- Be (slow@to.judge), September 26, 2000.

What's interesting, though, is that Y2KPro, Andy Ray, and others were banned for "disrupting" the forum, and yet the posts he quoted above were not.

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), September 26, 2000.

Be, then why didn't the "majority" shout at this "minority" to stop these kinds of posts. Of course, what happened was that the majority encouraged this talk because they agreed with it. I remember a writing, Maria, you're a dumbass and I hate you. Did anyone write a note back to a to stop. Of course not, it was encouraged and the "majority" congratulated him on his excellent choice of words. Be, you didn't see because you weren't on the other end of it.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), September 26, 2000.

If anyone posts on this thread and states they never saw this post by Y2K Pro, I will post that I am a Big Fat Idiot.

Previously unknown handles and morphed handles of regular posters will not be allowed to play.

-- FutureSHock (gray@matter.think), September 26, 2000.

Ya know, I dont know 'where' I was, but I must have missed those extreme attitudes. I was Not interested in killing people, I just wished to have prep's for my family.

Ok, so NOW i kind of understand why so many are pissed off at the type displayed here. Duh.

Thanks (um I think)

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), September 26, 2000.

Personally, I think people who used HTML tricks to disrupt, or who spammed, or who tried to get the old forum shut down when they could just as easily have started a forum of their own should have been deleted. But no one should be censored simply for expressing their opinion as hmm@hmm.hmm is advocating here.

-- (my@2_1/2.cents), September 26, 2000.

I read over those posts and I see a lot of people who are very alienated from modern society and mainstream America. I think a lot of those folks were hoping that something would come along to redeem and justify their fringe viewpoint and prove to the world the correctness of their viewpoint.

The apocalypse fantasy has a lot of appeal to it, if you're a marginalized kind of person. Here we have a group of people who may feel left behind by technology they don't understand, who feel society has moved beyond their morality and devalues their way of life and who feel they have no way of making their voices heard. Suddenly you tell them that they will be proven right in such a sepctacular way that the world will be forced to acknowledge it, and if they prepare well enough they could very well live like kings. All of a sudden they could go from the edge of society to a leadership role. Who wouldn't want something like that?

-- Tarzan the Ape Man (tarzan@swingingthroughthejunglewithouta.net), September 26, 2000.

Be, then why didn't the "majority" shout at this "minority" to stop these kinds of posts. Of course, what happened was that the majority encouraged this talk because they agreed with it.

I'm no more responsible what an INVAR or Paul Milne said last year than you are responsible for cpr's rants, Maria. Some of us wanted to talk about Y2k and not bogged down in other people's politics.

Be, you didn't see because you weren't on the other end of it.

I would never post hateful messages like that myself. Still, if it was agreement you wanted, you should have stuck with Doc Paulie's Debunking Y2k site. Maria, you or Y2K Pro posting messages on Time Bomb 2000 was like a Republican walking into the Democratic National Convention and being hurt when you were booed after you had shouted to the Democrats that their policies were screwing up the country.

-- Be (slow@to.judge), September 26, 2000.

I'm with consumer. I was not remotely interested in discussions of prepping (yes, I know that was the stated purpose of the forum, but my interests lay totally elsewhere). Therefore I avoided such discussions with grim determination.

-- Peter Errington (petere@ricochet.net), September 26, 2000.

But no one should be censored simply for expressing their opinion as hmm@hmm.hmm is advocating here.

My post was not "advocating" anything. Rather, it was simply pointing out that Y2KPro was considered "disruptive" and was banned for posting, among other things, the aforementioned quotes, but the original quotes themselves were never banned.

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), September 26, 2000.

And while I'm on the subject, superlatively good post by Tarzan.

-- Peter Errington (petere@ricochet.net), September 26, 2000.

Since Andy Ray so gallantly admitted to floating a rumor piece {in the vein of Poole's hoax}, I think it's about time that some of the characters who posed as die hard doomzies fess up. There are known characters on this post, & some of dubious longevity.

-- flora (***@__._), September 26, 2000.

Rather, it was simply pointing out that Y2KPro was considered "disruptive" and was banned for posting, among other things, the aforementioned quotes, but the original quotes themselves were never banned.

Y2K Pro began to continously spam those same quotes over and over towards the end of last year. I'm almost sure he never would have been deleted if he had chosen to keep on giving his opinion about Y2k and actually participate in conversations the way he had been earlier in 1999.

-- (my@2_1/2.cents), September 26, 2000.

Be, I wasn't looking for agreement, I really wanted to understand the "the end". One can disagree respectfully not viciously. Being "booed" would have been a welcome change.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), September 26, 2000.

Y2K Pro began to continously spam those same quotes over and over towards the end of last year.

He did this after his posts were already being globally deleted.

I'm almost sure he never would have been deleted if he had chosen to keep on giving his opinion about Y2k and actually participate in conversations the way he had been earlier in 1999.

Except that he was globally deleted for doing exactly that.

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), September 26, 2000.

Y2k Pro,

As long as this forum exists, this information needs to be posted at least once per month on it. It is accurately indicative of the mainstream at the Hysterium. This sort of language was not the fringe there. The moderators perpetuated these sentiments by deleting any who would dare oppose this meme, and the other doomers there embraced this and similar drivel - they were all on the same side of the jihad, after all.

Regards,
Andy Ray

-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), September 26, 2000.

Oops.

offoff

-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), September 26, 2000.

Andy, you overlook one basic fact: While this forum may share a similar name with the original forum (and remember, OTFR cannot change the name; this has been discussed here before), nothing about this place is the same. Not the topics (aside from a few), definitely not the people (do you honestly believe that, aside from Olson, any of the people whose quotes are cited above are still here?), certainly not those who were responsible for the deletions and bannings.

So why perpetuate this "once per month" here? You're talking to the wrong people. A serious suggestion: Why not start another forum on LUSENET? Announce it here (so any lurkers will be sure to see it) and post all the history and reminders that you feel necessary over there. Heck, I know *I'd* even stop by, as it seems I just can't stay away from a Y2K discussion (much to my chagrin).

Yes, I realize EZ Board is the perfect place because that's where these people are now, but sadly, they cannot seem to handle deviations from the "party line du jour" (despite their protestations to the contrary); consequently, you and I and Y2K Pro and others are "not permitted" to post there (not that I want to, mind you).

But, IMHO, this forum is not the place for this stuff, nor are these the people to whom you want this directed.

Just some unsolicited, offered-in-good-faith advice.

-- Patricia (PatriciaS@lasvegas.com), September 26, 2000.

Ah the revisionist historians try yet again, and LOSE yet again! The tired claim that "those handful of posts aren't acurate for the whole forum" BUll.

what about the hardliners and Will huetts? remember Will and his "we will lynch the government shills once y2k hits" remember hardliner and his "grand canyon of marbles" bullpuckey?

The debunkers are right that the majority did NOTHING to try and stop the extremists, as long as they saw them on "their side". Hell one polly [don't remember which one] said they made up a doomer personae and were accepted immediately! go figure!!

y2k is over people, doom losers; don't try and change what you did [or what you DIDN'T do, thru silence! ] just accept the fact that you were WRONG.

WRONG WRONG WRONG. HATEFUL and WRONG. and you encouraged/tolerated others who were hateful and WRONG.

And ***that***..... is the WRONGest of all.

-- debunkers were/are RIGHT (andNOTHINGwillch@nge.that!), September 26, 2000.

-- debunkers were/are RIGHT (andNOTHINGwillch@nge.that!),

"just accept the fact that you were WRONG."

Done. {Guess what, it wasn't even the first time!}.

"WRONG WRONG WRONG. HATEFUL and WRONG. and you encouraged/tolerated others who were hateful and WRONG."

I usually tolerate your HATEFUL attitude here, too. Just like to see what thoughts come out of folks minds.

"Hell one polly [don't remember which one] said they made up a doomer personae and were accepted immediately! go figure!!"

So, you're confirming my previous post?

It's over. Maybe it's time to come clean so we can learn something, eh?

Pro,

How did the 'temper' of the forum change from say 12/98 to the posts above from 12/99.

There was much fear, on 'both sides', & some possibly potentially dangerous experimentation if you guys were seriously concerned about these personalities & destructive potential.

For the record, in case you forgot - I did not condone the banning or the spamming.

-- flora (***@__._), September 26, 2000.

Oh now I REALLY get it...NOT...

Just because I stayed silent doesnt mean I endorsed any such crazed behavior.

I think fear was the major motivator of those who did post, tell me how was "I" supposed to change that?

The ONLY time I spoke up about off the hook bullshit was when some idiot tried to auction off a child. To show how short my memory is I dont even recall the name of the moron. When I voiced my displeasure, I was BLASTED, do you hear me? BLASTED. I could not fathom folks thinking that was any kind of right....so call me closed minded, I just think 'offing' children over the net was cruel.

Oh well, go figure.

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), September 26, 2000.

HMM.......do you think any of "them" might just know the story of Saul of Tarsis........HOLDING COATS?

OR: "The only thing necessary for the TRIUMPH OF EVIL.....IS FOR GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING"????????

But no one should be censored simply for expressing their opinion as hmm@hmm.hmm is advocating here.

My post was not "advocating" anything. Rather, it was simply pointing out that Y2KPro was considered "disruptive" and was banned for posting, among other things, the aforementioned quotes, but the original quotes themselves were never banned.

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), September 26, 2000.

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), September 26, 2000.

Andy Ray,

I'm not entirely sure that re-posting this pornography more than once a year is worthwhile. The vast majority of the villains have moved over to sleazy, where they masturbate to the latest TEOTWAWKI and alien invasion fantasies.

What this list illustrates is how the majority were flummoxed with the "my enemies enemy is my friend" strategy. Folks who were Doomers, and not necessarily villains stood by and watched the Dennis Olson's of the world pervert truth. They happily applauded as the truth was banned, experts banished and TEOTWAWKI hate ran rampant. That they should now say "well I never wanted anyone hurt, or it was a small minority" completely miss the point.

The real story is how decent people stood silently by as hate, lies and obfuscation became the currency of Timebomb.

I think everyone here now "Gets It" - so there may be no point in re- posting it again - till next year...

-- Y2K Pro (y2kpro1@hotmail.com), September 26, 2000.

Oh, hell no. Post it all every day. If the foul-mouthed CreePeRs, simpering Andy Rays, and holier-than-thou Y2K Pros of the world want to keep beating it to death, let 'em have at it. Fact is, they need this place more than anyone else does.

-- (Time For You To@Get.A.Life), September 26, 2000.

Pro,

I've asked you a couple of questions before and not managed to catch a response.

One thing I'm still curious about is the 'Andy 2000 IS RIGHT ABOUT GOLD' thread. That weekend there were a few posts by 'Y2k Pro's with different addys. One posted a Larouche EIR piece on that thread. Do you remember by any chance? { It was around the time that Buford Furrow shot up the Jewish community center outside LA - maybe June '99}.

Did you really post the Larouche stuff?

-- flora (***@__._), September 26, 2000.

P.S. Pro - even though you state that you're posting this stuff for the last time, I sincerely hope it is not meant to be your swan song here.

-- flora (***@__._), September 26, 2000.

I think the quote by Infidel was taken out of context. He was satirizing some of the others that you quote.

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), September 26, 2000.

flora

To be honest, I don't entirely remember although it was not uncommon for fakes to proliferate here. I'll be around some - as long as there's folks to annoy

-- Y2K Pro (y2kpro1@hotmail.com), September 26, 2000.

The Hatfield-McCoy feud - 1880s

http://www.blueridgecountry.com/hatmac/hatmac.html

The Polly-Doomer feud - Oct. 1999

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001XRD

-- (Eerie@similari.ties!), September 27, 2000.

Pro:

Thanks for the memories. I remember everyone of them.

I always figured that these poor souls were cronic losers. They had no self-respect, no money, a sad past and no future. Having nothing, they prayed for a world where no-one would have anything, and they would be the be "equal" of anyone.

They are still on EZBoard. Same sad message. Same sad people.

Thanks for the post.

-- (r@nd.h), September 27, 2000.

Pro,

"I don't entirely remember..."

Well, I guess at least it doesn't depend on what my defintition of is is.

You're not in politics now, are you?

-- flora (***@__._), September 27, 2000.

Pro stated: The real story is how decent people stood silently by as hate, lies and obfuscation became the currency of Timebomb.

I did not sit idly. April, May, June and into July I fought to mellow people out, online and offline. Then I booked because I saw my efforts were for naught. I felt there was no point in arguing with closed-minded, hate-filled people. There was little to be learned on TB2000 by then and the social environment was completely destroyed, IMO.

It is more than one year later and some folks STILL hang on to their bitterness. How utterly sad.

-- Bingo1 (howe9@shentel.net), September 27, 2000.

Fact Finder, if you could read the old Debunking Y2K posts, you would find some colorful rhetoric from cpr and co. holding Ed Yourdon and others responsible for bankruptcies, broken marriages and suicides they claim were caused (and will be caused) by Y2K, and pledging to make the "doom leaders" pay somehow. In one scary post, cpr said he had files on everyone here at TB2000. I agree with Ed.

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), October 08, 1999.

^^^^^ Not that I would pretend to take these words to heart, but IF cpr did say the above, he sure IS proving himself above and beyond the call.

BTW, you will NOTE, I am NOT found at all in that great debate.

CPR, did ya REALLY keep records or NOT?

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), September 28, 2000.