This subject came up on another thread of late, and I think it was Jumpoff Joe who asked for the information I had on this one. Well, Joe, I looked and looked, but I couldn't find what I'd just read a few days before. [I hate it that things go away so fast on the web.]

I just came across this one, and it pretty much describes the situation as I read it, minus the information on the reporter who FIRST edited the remark.

Gore and the Internet

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), September 21, 2000

Answers

Good find Anita. Just as the impeachment (over lying about sex) backfired, so will the steady stream of BS being generated by the Republican Dirty Tricks specialists. Everything from Ray's rehashing of Whitewater (exonerations) to today's announcement that Kathlene Willey is suing Clinton for "invasion of privacy" (after she accused him on 60 Minutes of "groping her", he published flirtatious letters from her - already judged by legal scholars to be within his rights of self-defense) will come back to haunt the Conservative Right on November 7th.

-- payback is a bitch (@ .), September 21, 2000.

payback:

From Anita's link:

"GORE: During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

Read it and weep, moron. Not "pushing", not "publicizing", not "recommending", not "advocating" ... but "CREATING". Not "creating awareness of", not "creating an appreciation for" ... just "creating". Or is this one of those classic Clintonesque "depends on what the word XXX, is".

Gawd. Makes you wonder if everyone in the Clinton administration has to prove themselves to be a pathological liar before they are given a position of responsibility.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), September 21, 2000.

Haven't been here for a while. Funny to run into KOS. Good man. Follow his opinion after Y2K. I think not.

DB

-- DB (Debunker@normore.xxx), September 21, 2000.

I don't like Gore. He is a liar and a commie.

But, in his defense, what he is referring to is the fact that he voted for funding the internet when it was being started. Even liars and commies can make a sound judgement once in a while.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), September 21, 2000.

DB: Rather than blindly following ANYONE's opinion, why don't you just try using your brain and assess what they are saying, and make your OWN decision? Maybe, just maybe, even contribute something to the discussion??

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), September 21, 2000.

I have made my decision. Just pointing out that one must judge the track record of others opinions. Good to see you here. I have looked at EZ board and you and UNC seem to be following their lead. Not independently evaluating the data. Just Zog followers.

Hey just my observation. I could be wrong since I don't look in that often.

DB

-- DB (Debunker@nomore.xxx), September 21, 2000.

I don't give a damn about who thinks what at EZboard, much less following the lead of anyone. My opinion is my opinion. Worthless maybe, but it is mine.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), September 21, 2000.

Care to elaborate on that a bit DB? How is it I am following the lead of EZ? Don't be shy.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), September 21, 2000.

http://www.gorewillsayanything.com

http://www.rnc.org/gorefiles/index

The Many Faces of albore

---------------- Al Gore's Reinvention Tour Part I

http://www.rnc.org/GoreFiles/makeal1_081000

The Great GREENIE??

Zinc Miner And Polluter Al

• Gore Has A Zinc Mine On His Property; A Mine That Has Polluted A Nearby River And From Which He Has Made $500,000 In Royalties. On his most recent tax return, as he has the past 25 years, Vice President Al Gore lists a $20,000 mining royalty for the extraction of zinc from beneath his farm here in the bucolic hills of the Cumberland River Valley. In total, Mr. Gore has earned $500,000 from zinc royalties. His late father, the senator, introduced him not only to the double-bladed ax but also to Armand Hammer, chairman of Occidental Petroleum Corp., which sold the zinc- rich land to the Gore family in 1973. It also seems that zinc from Mr. Gores property ends up in the cool waters of the Caney Fork River, an oft- celebrated site in Gore lore. A major shaft and tailings pond of the Pasminco Zinc Mine sit practically in the backyard of the vice presidents Tennessee homestead. Zinc and other metals from the Gore land move from underground tunnels through elaborate extraction processes. Waste material ends up in the tailings pond, from which water flows into adjacent Caney Fork, languidly rolling on to the great Cumberland. Mining is intrinsically a messy business, and Pasminco Zinc generally has a good environmental record. But not one that would pass muster with Earth in the Balance, Mr. Gores best-selling environmental book. As recently as May 16, the Tennessee Department of Environment and Conservation issued a Notice of Violation. It informed Pasminco that it had infringed the Tennessee Water Quality Control Act due to high levels of zinc in the river. (Micah Morrison, Al Gore, Environmentalist and Zinc Miner, The Wall Street Journal, June 29, 2000)

PART II

http://www.rnc.org/GoreFiles/makeal2_081000

FROM PART II

 

Gore Makeover. . .
Rambo Al

• Gore Used To Brag About Facing Enemy Fire In Vietnam. And I was shot at. . . . I spent most of my time in the field. (Al Gore, Myra MacPherson, Al Gore and the Window of Certainty, The Washington Post, February 3, 1988) I carried an M-16. . . I pulled my turn on the perimeter at night and walked through the elephant grass, and I was fired upon. (Al Gore, Richard Serrano, Struggle With Conscience Was Gores Biggest Vietnam Battle, Los Angeles Times, October 15, 1999)

Al, The Truth Is. . .

• Gore No Longer Mentions Combat Duty on the Campaign Trail. On the campaign trail today, while he suggests no combat heroics, he nonetheless mentions his service in Vietnam proudly. (Richard Serrano, Struggle With Conscience Was Gores Biggest Vietnam Battle, Los Angeles Times, October 15, 1999)
  
  
• Gore Had Bodyguards Assigned to Keep Him Out of Harms Way in Vietnam. In Vietnam, Alan Leo, a photographer in the press brigade office where Gore worked as a reporter, said he was summoned by Brig. Gen. K.B. Cooper, the 20th Engineer Brigades Commander, and told Leo that he, Cooper, had a great amount of respect for the senator. He asked Leo, the most experienced member of the press unit, to make sure that nothing happened to Gore. He requested that Gore not get into situations that were dangerous, said Leo, who did what he could to carry out Coopers directive. He described his half-dozen or so trips into the field with Gore as situations where I could have worn a tuxedo. (Bill Turque, Al Gores Patriotic Chore, Newsweek, December 6, 1999)

Gore Makeover. . .

Al Gore's Reinvention Tour Part I

http://www.rnc.org/GoreFiles/makeal1_081000 SAMPLES FROM PART I:

Gore Makeover. . .
Terminator Al

• Gore Says You Have to Rip the Lungs Out of Your Opponent. Tennessee Sen. Al Gore Jr. said yesterday his remark about a presidential candidate having to rip the lungs out of any other opponent has resulted in a new title for him: Terminator 3. At a Wednesday breakfast with reporters, Gore said: You make the decision to run first and then you run with all your heart and soul. . . . Youre going to rip the lungs out of anybody else whos in the race, and youre going to do it right. (Lacrisha Butler, Gore Pledges Best Effort  If He Runs, The Tennessean, July 19, 1991) (emphasis added)

Gore Makeover. . .
Hatchet Man Al

• Gore Was Clintons Hatchet Man In 1992. In his role as vice presidential pit bull- in-waiting, Gore was relentless in his attacks upon [President Bush]. (Susan Yoachum, Gores Speech At Bay Plant Challenged, San Francisco Chronicle, August 4, 1992)
  
  
• Gore Made Erroneous Attacks On President Bush Regarding Saddam Hussein. And in a September 29, 1992, speech, Albert Gore asserted that Bush gave to Saddam Hussein $1.9 billion and that Saddam was using our dollars to buy weapons technology. But in fact, as detailed in Kenneth Justers Foreign Policy article, such allegations were based on a fundamental mischaracterization of the nature of the Agriculture Departments credit guarantee program -- which is not so much foreign aid as a spur to U.S. farm exports: Foreign buyers like Iraq received no U.S.-guaranteed cash at all from the banks. Rather, banks were induced by the U.S. guarantees to provide credit to Iraq (which would otherwise have been a bad risk), in the form of payments by the banks to U.S. exporters for grain, rice, and other foodstuffs to be sent to Iraq, which would then have three years (in most cases) to pay down its debt to the banks. So it was, quite literally, impossible for Iraq simply to take U.S.-guaranteed loans and use them to buy weapons instead of grain. (Stuart Taylor Jr., Mediagate: Anatomy of a Freeding Frenzy, The American Lawyer, November, 1994) (emphasis added)

Gore Makeover. . .
Race-Baiter Al

• Gore: The First Candidate In 1988 To Raise Willie Horton According To The Liberal Washington Post: Gore prefers the cut-and-thrust of traditional politics and has often defined himself by criticizing his opponents. It was Gore, after all, who in 1988 introduced Willie Horton into the presidential campaign. (Dan Balz, Gore Tries Anew to Put Bradley Off His Stride, The Washington Post, December 20, 1999)
  
  
• Bradley Accused Gore Of Using Racial Politics. Vice President Al Gore broadened his criticism of former Senator Bill Bradleys plan for universal health insurance today, saying that the program would leave millions of African-Americans and Latinos with inadequate coverage. . . . The Bradley campaign, employing the instant response tactic perfected by the Clinton-Gore campaigns of 1992 and 1996, accused the vice president of small-mindedness and racial politics. This inaccurate attack is precisely the kind of thing that makes it impossible to get anything done in Washington, Mr. Bradley said in a statement. (John Broder, Gore Dueling With Bradley On Health Care, The New York Times, November 14, 1999)

Gore Makeover. . .
Tobacco Fighter Al

• Gores 1996 Anti-Tobacco Crusade Speech. When I was a child, my family was attacked by an invisible force that was then considered harmless. My sister Nancy was older than me. There were only the two of us, and I loved her more than life itself. She started smoking when she was 13 years old. The connection between smoking and lung cancer had not yet been established. But years later, the cigarettes had taken their toll. It hurt very badly to watch her savaged by that terrible disease. Her husband Frank and all of us who loved her so much tried to get her to stop smoking. . . . Tomorrow morning, another 13-year-old girl will start smoking. I love her too. Three thousand young people in America will start smoking tomorrow. One thousand of them will die a death not unlike my sisters. And that is why until I draw my last breath, I will pour my heart and soul into the cause of protecting our children from the dangers of smoking. (Al Gore, The Democratic National Convention, August 28, 1996) (emphasis added)

Gore Makeover. . .
Tobacco Farmer Al

• Gore Bragged About His Tobacco Farming. Throughout most of my life, I raised tobacco, the Tennessee senator hollered. I want you to know that with my own hands, all of my life, I put it in the plant beds and transferred it. Ive hoed it, Ive dug in it, Ive sprayed it, Ive chopped it, Ive shredded it, spiked it, put it in the barn and stripped it and sold it. ([New York] Newsday, February 26, 1988)

Gore Makeover. . .
Tobacco Consultant Hiring Al

• Gore Hired Carter Eskew To Work On His 2000 Campaign, The Man Who Killed the 1998 Tobacco Bill. Eskew has been called the man behind the media blitz that eventually helped kill the Senates tobacco bill. . . . (Howard Kurtz, Ex- Democratic Consultants TV Spots Put Cigarette Industrys Spin On Bill, The Buffalo News, June 20, 1998) Moreover, [i]ts pretty much common knowledge that Carter Eskew has never been reluctant to get down-and-dirty when the situation demands it. (Liza Mundy, States News Service, February 10, 1990)

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), September 21, 2000.

http://www.rnc.org/GoreFiles/makeal2_081000

Gore Makeover. . .
Intellectual Al

• Gore Even Runs TV Ads To Depict How Intellectual He Is. The DNC ads will show Americans who this new leader is and what he stands for, said one official close to the ad production. We want them to get a sense of the intellectual curiosity and intellectual successes of Al Gore over the last 20 years. (Ceci Connolly, Gore Aides Seek Huge Party TV Ad Buy, The Washington Post, May 23, 2000) Coelho soon plans to roll out ads that show a new image of Gore as an intellectual politician who thinks about deep, long-term issues, as opposed to the supposedly shallow Bush. (Brian Blomquist, Gore Is Deaf To Stop Attack Advice, The New York Post, May 28, 2000)

Gore Makeover. . .
Returns On Equities Are Higher Al

• Gore Claimed Returns On Equities Were Significantly Higher Than Other Returns. And, you know, during this whole national discussion, one of the single most important, salient facts that jumped out at everybody is that, over any 10-year period in American history, returns on equities are just significantly higher than these other returns. (Al Gore, Social Security Roundtable, January 27, 1999)

Gore Makeover. . .
Stock Market Roulette Al

• Gore Opposed Allowing Individuals To Invest A Portion Of Their Social Security Allotments. You shouldnt be asked to play stock market roulette with your investment income in the Social Security program. (Al Gore, Speech to AARP, May 17, 2000)

Gore Makeover. . .
Investing Social Security Money Is Good Al

• Now Gore Has Provided A Plan To Invest Tax Payer Money In The Stock Market. Mr. Gores plan does two things that Mr. Gore had criticized in the plan offered by Governor Bush, his Republican rival. One, it allows people to invest taxpayer money in the stock market through the account managers. Two, it greatly increases the amount of the surplus that Mr. Gore would devote to tax cuts. (Gore to Announce $200 Billion Plan to Aid Retirement, The New York Times, June 19, 2000)

Gore Makeover. . .
John McCain Wannabe Al

• Gore, Of Buddhist Temple Fame, Claims He Will Sign The McCain-Feingold Bill His First Day In Office. I make you this pledge today: If you elect me as your President, the McCain-Feingold bill will be the first domestic legislation I send to the Congress  on my first day in office. (Al Gore, Remarks as Prepared for Delivery By Al Gore on Political and Campaign Reform, Gore 2000 Website, March 27, 2000)

Gore Makeover. . .
Conspiracy Theory Al

• Gore On Robert Conrads Recommendation To Appoint A Special Counsel To Investigate Gores Role In The 1996 Campaign Finance Scandal: Here we are four months before an election that takes place every four years. . . You can read into that what you want to. (David Johnston And Don Van Natta Jr., The 2000 Campaign: The Overview; An Angered Gore Defended 96 Role To Investigator, The New York Times, June 24, 2000)

Gore Makeover. . .
Clintonesque Al

• Depends On What The Definition Of Raising Is - Sound Familiar? Federal Prosecutor: With respect to raising the $108 million, did you have discussions with anybody concerning the role coffees would play in raising that type of money?
  
  Al Gore: Well, let me define the term raising, if I could, because if you mean by it, would they be events at which money was raised, the answer is no. (Testimony of Vice President Albert Gore Jr., Campaign Financing Task Force, April 18, 2000, p. 53) (emphasis added)

Gore Makeover. . .
Occidental Al

• Al Gore, Sr. Had A Long And Profitable Relationship With Occidental. The elder Gore was such a loyal political ally that Occidentals founder and longtime CEO, Armand Hammer, liked to say that he had Gore in my back pocket. In fact, when Al Gore, Sr., left the Senate in 1970, Armand Hammer gave him a $500,000-a-year job at an Occidental subsidiary and a seat on the companys board of directors. (Ken Silverstein, Gores Oil Money; Occidental Petroleum and United States Foreign Policy In Colombia, The Nation, May 22, 2000)
  
  
• Vice President Al Gores Alliance With Occidental Petroleum Has Also Been Very Profitable. In 1973, Occidental sold Al Gore, Sr., 88 acres of pastureland and a 2,100- square foot house in Carthage, Tennessee for $80,000, and, in a separate transaction, the mineral rights to that land for $80,000. The elder Gore then subsequently leased the mineral rights back to Occidental for $20,000 in the first year, $10,000 annually for the next three years, and $20,000 for each year after that. The elder Gore then kept Occidentals first payment of $20,000 and sold the property to his son for $140,000, $60,000 of which was for the mineral rights lease and $80,000 of which was for the house and land, which remains the Vice Presidents legal residence. (Bill Turque, Inventing Al Gore, 2000, p. 105-106) Occidentals payments to Al Gore eventually totaled $190,000 by the time it sold its mineral rights lease in the 1980s. Occidentals successors have continued to pay Gore $20,000 per year since the sale. Gores total earnings from both Occidental and its successors currently exceed approximately $450,000. (Micah Morrison, Vetting the Frontrunners II: Albert Gore Jr. Occidental and Oriental Connections, The Wall Street Journal, September 29, 1999) In addition, the younger Gore is the executor of a trust fund for his mother, Pauline, that contains Occidental stock valued at between $500,001 and $1,000,000. Gore stands to inherit this stock upon his mothers death. (Al Gores Executive Branch Personnel Public Financial Disclosure Report, May 25, 1999, p. 6)
  
  
• Occidentals Chief Armand Hammer Was As Cozy With Gore Jr. As He Was With Gore Sr. According to Neil Lyndon, who worked on Hammers personal staff and ghosted his memoirs, Witness to History, the Occidental chieftain was as cozy with Gore Jr. as he was with Gore Sr. When he came to Washington, Hammer regularly met Gore [Jr.] for lunch or dinner. They would often eat together in the company of Occidentals Washington lobbyists and fixers who, on Hammers behest, hosed tens of millions of dollars in bribes and favors into the political world , Lyndon writes. (Ken Silverstein, Gores Oil Money; Occidental Petroleum and United States Foreign Policy in Colombia, The Nation, May 22, 2000)

Gore Makeover. . .
Pharmaceutical Al

While Al Gore Attacks Pharmaceutical Companies. . .

• Bob Shrum Praised Gore Friend And Campaign Consultant Carter Eskews Production Of Pharmaceutical Ads. Like your friendly neighborhood politician, your friendly neighborhood drug company was considered anything but. Au contraire, the unhappy consensus was that it was avaricious, monopolistic, loyal only to the bottom line. Appropriately, the man charged with the task is a past master at peddling image as product. Head of the ad team for Clinton-Gore 92, Carter Eskew has since migrated to the commercial side of the business. And Daifotis, like the other spots in the Bozell-Eskew campaign or the pharmaceutical industry, marks the convergence of political and commercial advertising. Using one of the formers most powerful ploys, it chooses to come at the viewer obliquely via a human face, a human tragedy, that carefully fronts the industry behind. . . . And this isnt the same old drug industry either; Americas Pharmaceutical Companies are in your corner, pulling for you. Theyre new and improved . . . . (Robert Shrum, Drug Rehabilitation, Slate, May 7, 1997) (emphasis added)

Gore Friend And Adviser Former Congressman Tom Downey:

• Lobbied for Merck & Co. during 1997 and 1998.
• Assisted Gore by playing the roles of Republican and Democratic rivals for debate preparation.
• Received more than $4 million in revenue from clients for his lobbying between 1997 and 1999. 

Gore Friend And Long-Time Advisor Peter Knight:

• Lobbied Gores office 47 times since 1996.
• Ran Clinton/Gore campaign in 1996.
• Previously paid $420,000 to lobby for Schering-Plough.
• Appointed in November 1993 by Clinton to be a member of the board of Comsat Corporation, the company with exclusive U.S. rights to the INTELSAT system of communications satellites. Re-appointed in October of 1995.
• Served as Deputy Director of Presidential Personnel for Clinton/Gore Transition Team and was consultant to White House Office of Presidential Personnel in first three months of 1993.
• Served as national co-chairman for Gores 1992-vice presidential campaign team.
• Became Secretary/General Counsel for Medicis Pharmaceutical in 1989.
• Served as national finance director in Gores 1988 presidential campaign.
• Served as Gores chief of staff/administrative assistant 1977-1989.

Gores Chief Domestic Policy Advisor David Beier:

• Al Gores Chief Domestic Policy Advisor
• Former senior lobbyist for Genentech.

Gore Adviser Anthony Podesta:

• PhRMAs top lobbyist.
• Lobbies for Novartis, a pharmaceutical company.
• From January 1997 to June 1998, was paid $160,000 to lobby on patent issues by PhRMA.
• Prior to joining PhRMA, worked for Genentech where he netted roughly $260,000.
• From 1991 to 1998, Genentech donated $229,225 in soft and hard cash to Clinton/Gore and Democratic Party committees.
• Brother of White House Chief of Staff John Podesta

Gore Makeover. . .
Im My Own Man Al

• Bill Clinton Is Gores Shadow-Campaign Manager. In an address to the American Federation of Federal, State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME), President Clinton this morning inserted himself into the presidential race, outlining what he called honest differences between the parties and encouraging Vice President Gore to base his campaign on pointing out those differences. Clintons speech, which contained harsh criticisms of Republicans, ended with high praise for Gore, whom Clinton once more called the best-qualified person in my lifetime to run for president. (The White House Bulletin, June 30, 2000)

One More Gore Makeover. . .
Bye Bye Coelho, Hello Daley

• Gore Dumps Coelho, Hires Daley. In yet another reshuffling of his presidential campaign, Vice President Al Gore announced today that William M. Daley, the secretary of commerce and a shrewd operative in Democratic politics, would replace the campaign chairman, Tony Coelho. (Richard L. Berke, In Latest Shift, Gores Campaign Names New Chief, The New York Times, June 16, 2000)
  
  
• Gore Never Really Liked Coelho. Tony and Al Gore never really liked each other, said a top Democratic official who knows Mr. Coelho well. Theres little mutual respect and no affection. Theyre very different people. (Richard L. Berke, In Latest Shift, Gores Campaign Names New Chief, The New York Times, June 16, 2000)
  
  

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), September 21, 2000.

Unc and KOS:

This is a personal point not a public point. If I had time I could match your statements to those on EZboard. But I must go out on business. You can read them. I haven't been here in some time. I see that CPR has posted. I didn't read his post, but I assume you are in his camp as well as Zog's, Dennis's, Jessebelles', Invars', Brulens'. etc. What else could I assume. Even the words are the same. Well I must go.

DB

-- DB (Debunker@nevermore.xxx), September 21, 2000.

Who? Whosis?? Whatsisname??? Whatsisface???? GAWD!!!!!

DB:

I will take your word that people at EZboard are describing Gore as a lying piece of crap using the very same terminology that people here are. MAYBE it's because, when it comes to someone who lies so BLATANTLY like he does, the choice of words gets pretty narrow.

As far as CPR also being in agreement ... yes, I am completely dumbfounded as to how this could possibly be the case. Perhaps the West Nile Virus has spread to Texas, and CPR was bitten on the ass by a mosquito. Perhaps some sort of rip in our time-space continuium has occured, and we are in an alternative universe. There must be some logical explanation, as I cannot believe that CPR's brain could possibly sift through the same data and reach the same conclusion as mine on ANYTHING.

I think I will just go lie down for a while. Hopefully, tomorrow when I wake up, I will find CPR posting looney rants PRAISING Gore for his honesty and ethics, and the world as I know it will once again be back in place.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), September 21, 2000.

Oh, I see. People who do not like Al Gore are Zog followers, and since I am not an Al fan I do not independently evaluate data, I just follow the lead of Invar and bunch. Strange that I defended Al in this thread, since as a EZ follower I should just parrot the party line of the EZ boarders.

That is some trick that I know what the party line is, since I do not ever visit EZ there must be some explanation for how I follow their lead. Maybe I have psychic powers. Anyone care to see me chanel the spirit of Invar? Ok, here I go........It will be to your peril! Don't force me to point out how morally bankrupt the Nation has become, how we have lost our way and invite God's judgement upon this empty shell of our beloved birthright!

*shudder* I have a headache now, chaneling Invar is tough on the psyche.

BTW DB, the commie comment was tongue in cheek, I call anyone to the left of me a commie, just like I call those to the right of me a nazi. Only I am pure.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), September 21, 2000.

Unk and KOS:

Don't know. Just don't have time to do in depth analysis. It just looks that way on the surface. Both of you are people I would like to meet, just not people I agree with on this subject. If you consider being compared to Invar an insult, you are good people. The trouble with the web is you can only go by words.

I have to leave for Spain. See you in a while.

DB

-- DB (Debunker@nevermore.xxx), September 21, 2000.

" What else could I assume. Even the words are the same. Well I must go.

DB "

Professor "F" used to define "assume" by spelling it out on the board in caps: " making an ASS out of U and ME. "

-- helen (b@r.e), September 21, 2000.

Anyone here listen to Rush Limbaugh? He's played the Al Gore and the Internet thing several times on his program. And the "Love Story," bit and a few other funny things Al baby said. Even though CPR can be a pain in the ass sometimes, he does come up with some pretty good stuff on Gore the Bore.

-- ~~~~~ (~~~~@~~~.xcom), September 21, 2000.

"There must be some logical explanation, as I cannot believe that CPR's brain could possibly sift through the same data and reach the same conclusion as mine on ANYTHING."

LOL KOS.

I know EXACTLY how you feel... <:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), September 21, 2000.

Damn, I thought we finally got rid of the asshole. Guess we'll have to start spreading his business address around the Internet with some samples of his maniacal posts.

-- (takeout@the.trash), September 22, 2000.

Al Gore is a liar? Well damn it, ofcourse he lies, he's a politician. And so does Bush. But I hate Gore a bit less than Bush. So there. Now bite me.

About Gore's famous saying that he "helped create the Internet", I've always taken this as that he meant that he helped create the "Information Highway". In 1993 to 1995, that was the big thing, remember? Those of us who already were on the internet before the dot.com came along were on the dot.edu and dot.org, and Al Gore knew of it. He just made a blunder ala Quayle when he said "internet" instead of the "info highway" to bring it to the masses. Big deal!

-- (smarty@wannabe.one), September 22, 2000.

CPR, Ken may criticize you for your "files", but you really have some great ones! Thanks for that.

Payback, Just as the impeachment (over lying about sex) backfired Point of clarification. Clinton was impeached. The vote was for removal from office. How did it backfire? He was the first elected prez ever impeached. That one will go down in the history books.

to be within his rights of self-defense Self defense from what? I see it as a "tit for tat" thing. Clinton in court for invasion of privacy; I can't wait to see that one played out. I think Clinton is losing it in his old age.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), September 22, 2000.

the Conspiracy of CPR. See all those words? IN YOUR BLIND HATRED, YOU DON'T BOTHER TO EVEN CHECK WHERE SOMETHING MIGHT HAVE COME FROM AND WHAT THE SOURCE IS.

That looks like a QUOTE. But where from?

Why CPR gives it for the DUM-DUMS:

http://www.rnc.org/GoreFiles/makeal2_081000

which has a root:

http://www.rnc.org

And what is the rnc.org??

TRY THIS ........SEMI-LITERATE IDIOTS........... RNC--> REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE.

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), September 22, 2000.

You mean Gore really didnt invent the internet?

Oh darn:-(

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), September 22, 2000.

Al Gore did NOT invent the Internet! I did.

-- (nemesis@awol.com), September 22, 2000.

I gave up on Sleez some months ago because I just could not stand to read their poisonous, hate filled rants any longer. For the love of your god, man, PLEASE do not start the Invar-like anti/commie, anti/enviro, anti/nazi, anti/Klinton, anti/LIEberal, anti/DEMONcrat, feminazi, homophobic, gun-loving rants on this forum as well. If you want to act like an a-hole, please take it to the Sleez where you will be in excellent company and on a forum where your utter hatred of all that is not Rush/Robertson will be quite welcome.

DB is correct... all the self-serving BobJones/Rush/militia/rants begin to sound alike and they are all such a damn bore. Up until today, this forum's posters (with two exceptions) have had my respect.

In other words, this forum has a distinct personality much different from that of the Sleez. Why is that such a bad thing? If you want to compete with Zog or any one of the other 20 or so regular posters on that board - why not DO IT ON THAT BOARD?

-- FedUp (AsGood@sAnyoneElses.com), September 22, 2000.

FedUp: Normally, I applaud venomous hate-filled attacks on CPR. But, in your case, I am making an exception. Go zog yourself.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), September 22, 2000.

*I* followed the thread, Charlie, and I knew that you'd simply copied and pasted from the Republican National Committee's site. Had there been anything relevant to the original thread topic, I would have even responded. I could even have countered your post with material from the DNC, but I'm not a Democrat OR a Republican, so that wouldn't have made any sense TO ME. If what you posted made sense to YOU in the context of this thread, I applaud you. You, obviously, see sense where I see NONsense.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), September 22, 2000.

KOS,

Actually, I was writing about you. Unc - I have come to accept. CPR, when he is not spamming, may at least be entertaining. Your type of venomous and content-free prose is more common on the sleez. Both DB and I recognized your style.

I know that some folks on this board think some of the other folks are mentally challenged (and even say so), and some pitched battles rage which seem petty. But no one approaches a topic with your defensive take-no-prisoner attitiude. Again, that attitude is much more common on the sleez.

Anita's response is more common on this board (or at least a response to be emulated!). Note that she rarely calls anyone a communist, and even when CPR responds with a long, worthless, content-free copy of the RNC, she responds more in kindness than in kind.

Look, your style was just one of many on this board prior to Y2K. Those who admire your style moved to another board. Those who prefered the style prevalent on this board, moved here. After Y2K the number of posters and lurkers on both forums fell. In this thinner atmosphere, I fear your style will overwhelm the others.

Just as on the sleez, your style will antagonize others. Eventually, they will respond and the debate will become shrill. Eventually, only folks like yourself will inhabit this forum. Note that the 20 or so regular posters on sleez were (are?) rarely challenged anymore - I think because their animosity just overwhelmed rational debate. Their long, vicious attacks; their frequent use of 'disinformation'; their 'win at any cost' tactics; and their hate filled prose just drowned out all other discourse.

I am asking you to move your rancorous diatribes to the other board. Why does this board have to suffer the fate of the other?

-- FedUp (AsGood@sAnyoneElses.com), September 23, 2000.

To know me is to....ummmm, accept me. Golly, that sounds so bland.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), September 23, 2000.

Is that, "FedUp" or "StuckUp"? Just curious...

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), September 23, 2000.

I love you, Unk. However, I indiscriminately love everyone. Sorry.

-- helen (b@r.m), September 23, 2000.

Will continue!!!! Welcome! Or, at least, hello-long-time-no-see, as I have not seen you post here at the "spinoff" forum before!

OK, so I guess what FedUp and DB are trying to tell me is that I am out of style. That really, really hurts. Morons.

Meanwhile, back to more important stuff. Like ... fantasizing about Will continue and helen engaged in the womanly art of mudwrestling, their sleek bodies oiled, their passions inflamed, their pent up furies unleashed...

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), September 23, 2000.

Howdy, DB, Howzit going:

I have to agree with you, They sound alot like the team at EZboard. Words are identical. I guess that's why the election is going the way it is. Not many folks want to elect a Zog or an Invar.

If you haven't left, have a good time in Spain. Me, I am going to Germany.

Best wishes,,,,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), September 23, 2000.

"Will continue!!!! Welcome! Or, at least, hello-long-time-no-see, as I have not seen you post here at the "spinoff" forum before!"

That could explain at least one of the many anti-spinoff trolls we've had.

-- (smarty@wannabe.one), September 23, 2000.

For your information Mr. Smartypants, I sure as hell would not want to see INVAR elected either. Since I do not visit EZ I have not read ZOG's platform, so I must defer judgement.

Why is it that an opinon that does not embrace Al Bore's agenda is an invalid one?

BTW, the race is pretty much even, with a slight edge to Gore, an edge that is within the margin of error of most of the polls I have seen.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), September 23, 2000.

"That could explain at least one of the many anti-spinoff trolls we've had."

Ohhhh palease. I have NEVER posted using any handle other than my own. I like my style far too much to allow credit to be given to any other.

Howdy King! I've missed you terribly sweet-cheeks, you Latin LaLa. We moved back to Wyoming over a month ago and I finally got back online the day before yesterday. Just thought I'd drop in to see if Kenny and his favorite magazine (gilda centerfold? -shudder-) are still in the bathroom.....

I suspect Gore's been abusing his Mother-in-law's dog's vet prescriptions. Or maybe he suffered a lack of oxygen to the brain during his tongue-fest with Tippsie on stage (during their "quota convention"). If that thing was an accurate depiction of America...

grab your weapons and run for the hills! Wait a minute, that's EXACTLY what I did!

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), September 23, 2000.

So now , U. De. has admitted that he is Invar. Where do we go from here in this discussion.

Truth is freedom.

-- Truth (Truth@truth.xyz), September 23, 2000.

Truth,

Remedial reading programs are available at many public librarys. Also, Wal-Mart carries inexpensive reading glasses.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), September 23, 2000.

Truth, are you smoking crack or do you just have reading comprehension problems? Help is available for either one.

-- (DARE to@keep kids off.drugs), September 23, 2000.

Well in that case Will C, welcome back and pardon my faux pas. I'm putting down my gun if you will yours. Over reaction on my part.

Now I'm as confused as Truth. Unk, were you refering to Z as being Mr. Smartypants or me? If you were refering to Z, I'm hurt, I'm trying so hard to earn that title. If you were refering to me, then deary you should take your own advice and git yer butt to Wal-Mart.

-- (smarty@wannabe.one), September 23, 2000.

Sorry,

Smarty wannabe is not Mr. Smartypants. Mr. Smartypants, for the purpose of this discussion, is Z.

We now return to our regularly scheduled program.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), September 23, 2000.

Off Topic: Al Gore created the internet...???

greenspun.com : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000bAX

Republicans pounce on Gore's claim that he created the Internet

Associated Press 4.23 p.m. ET (2124 GMT) March 11, 1999 By Michelle Mittelstadt,

WASHINGTON (AP)  Vice President Al Gore's claim that he is the father of the Internet drew amused protests Thursday from congressional Republicans.

House Majority Leader Dick Armey, R-Texas, said that even under the time-honored tradition of politicians taking credit for everything, Gore's statement is an "outrageous claim.''

Gore, who is widely credited for coining the term "information superhighway,'' raised eyebrows with a pronouncement he made Tuesday during a CNN interview.

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet,'' he said when asked to cite accomplishments that separate him from another Democratic presidential hopeful, former Sen. Bill Bradley of New Jersey.

Apprised Thursday of the statement, Armey said: "I just have to tell you that I cracked up this morning over his contention.''

"If the vice president created the Internet, then I created the interstate highway system,'' he added.

Also tweaking Gore, the administration's point man on high-tech issues, was House Science Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., who issued a statement headlined, "I had no idea!''

"Vice President Gore taking credit for creating the Internet certainly gives new meaning to the term 'March madness,''' Sensenbrenner said in a jab at his one-time Science Committee colleague.

The Internet, originally called ARPANET, dates to 1969, when the Defense Department began funding the project. Gore, then 21, was still eight years away from joining Congress.

The vice president's spokesman, Chris Lehane, defended his boss's claim, saying Gore "was the leader in Congress on the connections between data transmission and computing power, what we today call information technology. And those efforts helped to create the Internet that we know today.''

Lehane was gleeful over Armey's reference to the interstate highway system, noting that Al Gore Sr.  during both his House and Senate tenures  shepherded passage of legislation creating a national highway network.

"In fact, his father's leadership on the interstate highway system served as the model for the vice president's vision for a network of data highways,'' Lehane said. "As for Congressman Armey, in his time in Congress, what he has created is division, divisiveness and partisan rancor but seemingly little else.''

I had no idea... Thank you Al Gore... I'll vote for you next time....

NOOOOTTTT....

-- Saint Francis (STFrancis@heaven.com), March 11, 1999

Answers

Gore's claim that he is the father of the internet reminds me of Stalin's claims that Russia invented the telephone, airplane, and baseball.

I will accept his claim of parentage of the internet if he will also admit that he has done nothing to fix Y2K.

-- Gil Jackson (gil@aol.com), March 11, 1999.

Well, the Veep just said something which is infinitely more foolish than any spelling error that Dan Quayle ever made. Wonder what Vin Cerf, those wunnerful folks who were with the late, lamented Bellcore, and the more shadowy types at DARPA have to say about Mr. Gore's absurd statement...

Think we'll have any newspaper headlines or commentary about this? Thought not...

-- Mac (sneak@lurk.com), March 11, 1999.

Al Gore created the internet and his father created the interstate highway system? I always thought it was Eisenhower who created the interstate system. But I guess that I'm wrong and so is the sign along I-81 at the state line that talks about the "Eisenhower Interstate Highway system".

Maybe next week we'll hear how Gore's uncle and not Wehrner von Braun developed the Saturn V rockets for the Apollo missions. Maybe how Grampa Gore was the first to fly New York to Paris. Or of Great Grampa Gore exploring the first route across the Louisianna Purchase to the mouth of the Columbia River.

WW

-- Wildweasel (vtmldm@epix.net), March 11, 1999.

Didn't he also invent Gore-Tex?

-- lparks (lparks@eurekanet.com), March 11, 1999.

The two guys in Switzerland who invented teh packet technology that is the true basis for the ARPA and DARPA nets might have something to say.....

cr

-- Chuck, a night driver (reinzoo@en.com), March 11, 1999.

Just for everyone's information, the official name for the interstate highway system at the time of its creation in the 1950's was the "Defense and Interstate Highway System". Its primary purpose was to facilitate the movement of troops and materiel in the event of war, specifically an invasion or civil uprising.

Nah, it can't happen here...

-- sparks (wireless@home.com), March 11, 1999.

Let me see if I have this straight...

The Vice President of the United States says he created the internet.

I assume this would be the same internet where the highest page views are sex sites and special cyber-swat teams exist to battle against cyber terrorists and child molestors. The same internet full of "crazies" (present company accepted).

And Mr. Al Gore is virtually assured of his party's nomination for the office of President of the United States. If elected, he would have control of the the world's most powerful nuclear arsenal and conduct foreign policy matters (requiring the ability to think and speak, in that order).

We're doomed.

-- PNG (png@gol.com), March 12, 1999.

Declan has an article out now about Gore's claim...

http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/18390.html

[snip]

No Credit Where It's Due

by Declan McCullagh

3:00 a.m. 11.Mar.99.PST

WASHINGTON -- It's a time-honored tradition for presidential hopefuls to claim credit for other people's successes.

But Al Gore as the father of the Internet?

That's what the campaigner in chief told CNN's Wolf Blitzer during an interview Tuesday evening. Blitzer asked Gore how he was different than other presumptive Democratic challengers, such as Bill Bradley. "What do you have to bring to this that he doesn't necessarily bring to this process?"

Replied Gore: "I'll be offering my vision when my campaign begins, and it'll be comprehensive and sweeping, and I hope that it'll be compelling enough to draw people toward it.... I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years."

Then came the kicker: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

Huh?

Preliminary discussions of how the ARPANET would be designed began in 1967, and a request for proposals went out the following year. In 1969, the Defense Department commissioned the ARPANET.

Gore was 21-years-old at the time. He wasn't even done with law school at Vanderbilt University. It would be eight more years before Gore would be elected to the US House of Representatives as a freshman Democrat with scant experience in passing legislation, let alone ambitious proposals.

[snip]

-- Kevin (mixesmusic@worldnet.att.net), March 13, 1999.

If you need a laugh, read this :-)

-- (someone@somewhere.com), March 13, 1999.

Someone,

The clip is funny until you read the last line about. "...ideas that will take us back to the Dark Ages." sounds awfully ironic to me.

Gore's spokeperson returned that line over the Republican's jibes at Gore's Internet comments. But it sound like my view of Gore and Clinton's handling of Y2K. Sure hope it's just a case of my sensitivity being set too high this weekend.

WW

-- Wildweasel (vtmldm@epix.net), March 13, 1999.

Vice President Al Gore's claim that he is the father of the Internet

There's that IS word again. It's obvious to me that we all just don't understand the proper definitions. Think Newspeak.

--Greybear, who wanders where George Orwell is when you need him.

- Got Dictionaries?

-- Greybear (greybear@home.com), March 14, 1999.

-- ~~~~~~ (~~~~@~~~~.xcom), September 24, 2000.