Goodbye oil bulls: OPEC Friday gave grounds for optimism REUTERS

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http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000908/bs/energy_opec_dc_7.html Friday September 8 3:25 PM ET
OPEC Raises Hopes for Cheaper Oil

By Richard Mably

VIENNA (Reuters) - OPEC Friday gave grounds for optimism that the oil cartel will mount its third supply increase in a year to soothe an international outcry over high energy costs.

The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, under fire to ease fuel bills and temper inflationary pressures, is thought likely to lift output by about 700,000 barrels daily, just under 3 percent, when it meets Sunday.

``OPEC is going to do its part to lower the crude price to within the target band,'' said Saudi Oil Minister Ali al-Naimi, referring to the cartel's preferred price range of $22-$28 a barrel.

But petroleum producers should not take sole responsibility for prices that hit decade-highs this week, he added on his arrival in Vienna.

``We hope that the consuming countries will do their part to lower the product price and lower the burden (on consumers),'' Naimi said, a reference to taxes that account for three-quarters of the price of petrol in Europe.

Expectations are that Saudi, OPEC's leading producer, will add its share of new oil to a large dose of leakage that already has the kingdom pumping well in excess of its official quota.

That pushed world crude prices Friday sharply lower from Thursday's 10-year highs. London Brent futures lost $1.80 to close at $32.75 a barrel and U.S. light crude finished $1.79 easier at $33.60.

Iran, OPEC's second biggest supplier and traditionally an oil price hawk, signaled that it would not block extra production.

``We do not seek exceedingly high oil prices nor do we seek to create an artificial shortage of supply on the market,'' Iranian Oil Minister Bijan Zanganeh said from Tehran.

Fuel Protests

Fuel protests in France and Spain and renewed calls in the United States for a release of government petroleum stocks have highlighted a growing impatience among OPEC's customers for the group to take strong action.

Finance leaders in the West, though, suggested that fears of another 1970s-style recessionary oil shock around the corner are misplaced.

Germany, rejecting calls for the government to drop plans to raise energy taxes, said high fuel costs posed no threat because inflationary pressures in other parts of the German economy were low.

And International Monetary Fund Managing Director Horst Koehler said of oil's spike: ``It's casting a shadow on the outlook but I am confident the global economy is strong enough to cope.''

Traders are doubtful that an extra 700,000 barrels daily from limits now of 25.4 million will be enough for a sustained move lower for prices ahead of the winter.

Since most OPEC countries already are pumping to capacity, any significant increase would have to come from leading producer Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Leaks

Saudi's Naimi said in New York earlier this week that Riyadh already was pumping 600,000 barrels a day more than the allocation it was awarded in June.

And insiders said Saudi's share of extra OPEC supplies would come on top of the leakage, taking the kingdom's output beyond nine million barrels a day for the first time in nearly 20 years.

Industry observers say petroleum stocks in the West, particularly of heating oil, are so low that unless the northern hemisphere has a very mild winter crude prices may stay firm for some months to come.

They say OPEC was too slow earlier this year in easing the output restrictions that carried prices from a 22-year low in 1998.

``They've left the market hostage to fortune,'' said Mehdi Varzi of Dresdner Kleinwort Benson. ``But if they go for 700,000 bpd that at least should undermine some of the market speculation.''

With inventories drained, refiners are loathe to do more than operate hand-to-mouth, declining to rebuild stocks for the time being at such high prices, hence perpetuating the shortages.

``The real worry is the shortage of petroleum product stocks,'' said Julian Lee of London's Center for Global Energy Studies. ``More crude oil won't really answer that problem.''

U.S. Reserves Option

If OPEC's third output rise this year, coming on top of a 2.4 million bpd increment already, does not do the trick then attention will turn to U.S. government policy on emergency stocks.

Congress is pressuring the Clinton administration to loan oil from the giant 571-million-barrel Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) for sale on the open market.

``The U.S. may have the last card to play with the SPR,'' said Gary Ross of U.S. consultancy PIRA.

OPEC policy is under close scrutiny from finance ministers around the world.

European finance ministers, worried about economic performance in the eurozone, at a meeting in Versailles called on OPEC to raise output.

Finance chiefs from Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) governments meeting this weekend will examine the risk from rocketing oil import costs to the region's strong economic recovery.



-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), September 08, 2000

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And it looks like someone put the screws to IRAN (the price Hawk): That pushed world crude prices Friday sharply lower from Thursday's 10-year highs. London Brent futures lost $1.80 to close at $32.75 a barrel and U.S. light crude finished $1.79 easier at $33.60.

Iran, OPEC's second biggest supplier and traditionally an oil price hawk, signaled that it would not block extra production.

``We do not seek exceedingly high oil prices nor do we seek to create an artificial shortage of supply on the market,'' Iranian Oil Minister Bijan Zanganeh said from Tehran.

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), September 08, 2000.


And this little note takes care of the OilZombies BULL SHIT that the Saudis "couldn't ship anymore because they are at full production". THEY HAVE BEEN SHIPPING EXTRA BBLS !!!!.

Saudi's Naimi said in New York earlier this week that Riyadh already was pumping 600,000 barrels a day more than the allocation it was awarded in June. And insiders said Saudi's share of extra OPEC supplies would come on top of the leakage, taking the kingdom's output beyond nine million barrels a day for the first time in nearly 20 years.

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), September 08, 2000.


Charlie, a broken clock is correct twice a day, get one more right and you will have passed a major milestone. I dub thee, Charlie - the broken clock - Reuben.

-- Cave Man (caves@are.us), September 08, 2000.

Charlie, I hope you've just misspoken yourself rather than resorting to outright falsehoods, to wit: "And this little note takes care of the OilZombies BULL SHIT that the Saudis "couldn't ship anymore because they are at full production". THEY HAVE BEEN SHIPPING EXTRA BBLS !!!!. "

No one, and I repeat NO ONE YOU DUMB SHIT, except perhaps you, ever said the Saudis were at capacity. In fact, every story, every post, every reference to S.A. I can recall here stressed the fact that S.A. was one of the few OPEC countries WITH excess capacity. Jeez, even when you try to get it right, you get it wrong. Your obsessive behavior is getting alarming, Charlie.

-- Cash (cash@andcarry.com), September 08, 2000.


All these promises, and then our gas prices just keep going up and up. Wait until we see propane, natural gas, and heating oil prices this winter. Of course it'll probably happen after the election...

-- Hacker2 (-@hacks.r.us), September 08, 2000.


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- - cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), September 08, 2000

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And for the Oil Idiots who don't know: the drop of almost 6% in crude and over 5% in gas today was the SHARPEST SWING in years.

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), September 08, 2000.


-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), September 08, 2000.

I have to apologize. Earlier today I let charlie drag me down to his level. I even used all caps to call him a name. That was not professional. To be charitable, I'll assume that charlie misspoke himself in the slight warmth of a barely perceived moment of potential self-justification, rather than deliberately lied about other posters here, including myself. I'll also assume charlie's follow-up correction and apology aren't here only because of some Texas-sized computer glitch.

charlie still does not get it, and he doesn't get it so deeply and so significantly that I doubt he ever will. As I've said before, the current situation is more a political/economic shortage than physical shortfall. Right now, this year, the world can still pump and refine its way back to cheaper oil, and we may indeed see $25 oil again, especially if current high prices induce a recession. But it does give a taste of the near future. Even this relatively minor event has led to fuel rationing, blockades, nationwide protests, heating-oil problems, possible food shortages, fear of recession, and more political posturing than any human being should have to endure. If the past is prologue, eventually supplies will ease, tempers will cool, and nothing will be done to prepare for the next time and the time after that, until the time comes when all the oil pumping, refining and posturing in the world don't relieve the problem.

Oh, and charlie? You're still a dumb shit.

-- Cash (cash@andcarry.com), September 09, 2000.


And for the Oil Idiots who don't know: the drop of almost 6% in crude and over 5% in gas today was the SHARPEST SWING in years.

This is how Bloomberg described it.

http://www.bloomberg.com/bbn/topfin.html?s=AOblZKxUTQ3J1ZGUg

Crude oil for October delivery fell $1.76, or 5 percent, to $33.63 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. It was the biggest decline since July 5. Oil yesterday rose to $35.46 the highest price since November 1990, during the Persian Gulf War.

-- (M@rket.trends), September 09, 2000.


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