In many ways, this "spinoff" TB2K forum seems to echo the arguments back on ye olde TB2000, doomer and polly alike. The only difference is that Y2K per se is a "known" event; or, to be more exact, a known non-event. The most hotly debated issue appears to be whether it was actually worth preparing for, back when it's outcome was not yet known. (Actually, I suppose I should say it appears to be the most hotly debated SERIOUS issue. How can anyone take any thread started by "CPR" seriously?? Gawd, what a wind-bag looney-tune.)

It is important to realize that the pollies -- those who did not prepare -- are like the fool who drives across a desert on bald tires with no spare with a car load of children. When berated by horrified family members after safely arriving at the destination, the defense offered is: "Duhhh. But NOTHING HAPPENED. There was NO NEED for good tires. There was NO NEED for a spare tire." (Or, as that piss-ant Andy Ray says these days, "Vindicated regards.")

Fellow doomers (or, as Patricia likes to call us, "defenders"), I think that the fact that the pollies are still here, fruitlessly trying to defend their negligence in not preparing for the THEN unknown and uncertain outcome of Y2K, shows that they are actually asking for our continued patience and help. If they were really satisifed that they had made the right choice for Y2K, they would not be constantly attempting to justify their proverbial desert road trip.

Who knows, helping pollies understand that sometimes you have to prepare for the unknown may just save a few lives. If nothing else, it sure will piss off CPR and Andy Ray, and that is always good sport.

Let the games continue.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), September 01, 2000

Answers

Welcome back! You ever get something besides that web TV thing so you can chat?

-- Carlos (riffraff@cybertime.net), September 01, 2000.

Small, but important, misconception on your part; you wrote: "...the pollies -- those who did not prepare...".

That's where you are incorrect. I don't know a single person who didn't (or doesn't) have a week's supply of "stuff" on hand NORMALLY. And here's something I doubt you're going to appreciate very much, but the very best "preparation advice" I ever saw came from (drum roll please........) cpr.

No lie. If I can find the link, I will post it for you. But didn't you just say on the other thread that it was over? So what gives?

And now back to our regularly-scheduled thread. (Hi, Carlos!)

-- Patricia (PatriciaS@lasvegas.com), September 01, 2000.

KoS, finally! Where have you been the past 8 months!?

If nothing else, what I've learned from this Y2K non-event debate is learn to mudwrestle. (That's really what attracks people still posting here, ya know.)

And that ain't no nothin'.

-- Baba Sue (in@the.mud), September 01, 2000.

Welcome back KOS, though you may be an imposter, or a multitude of persona. You lent kind words, I read, last year. Hasn't gas gone beyond a comfortable level, and have not some planes "fallen from the sky?". I saw them, we still see them. All the vehicles, parked along the side of the road with "Fer Sale" signs. An oddesy for anyone, who looks. No, the end of civilization did not happen, but then did Noah question his mission? How plenty stupid he must of looked. No more stupid looking than the flock of of Y2K preparers. Hells bells, most of us sought to feed a neighbor, because they were too stupid to prepare. We thought they were too comfortable (and inept). They never had the experience of only one room for heat. Hell no, this generation only knows Central Heat in every room. We sought to protect, and polished our skills, and dug in, for our ignorant fellow man. We remember days before air conditioning. we remember Soldiers who did not come home alive, from a war. we pity, this generation, who are only concerned with dress apparel.

-- Church Fan (hand@waver.com), September 01, 2000.

Wow!!! Wow! Wow.

King of Spain.

I am restored.

-- Oxy (Oxsys@aol.com), September 01, 2000.

Yes, this sounds like the same KOS. Still seeing a complex progression in binary terms (blowout, yes or no). Still seeing bald tires despite *millions* of individual safe trips with no failures. Still seeing serious uncertainty hindsight shows us existed only in the imaginations of those looking to cash in (and echoed by those fooled by those looking to cash in).

Yes, it was without question very easy for us to be snookered by all the pre-rollover sturm und drang. To one degree or another, nearly ALL of us fell for it. But that doesn't make it real. Hindsight, by now, can only separate those of us who can admit we got taken, from those who cannot. KOS remains true to form.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), September 01, 2000.

Flint, did I ever tell you how sexy you look when smeared in all that wet, slick and smooth mud? oh yes baby...that's it, keep going..

-- Baba Sue (in@the.mud), September 01, 2000.

Hey Sexy! =P

What took you so long?

-- cin (cin@cinn.cin), September 02, 2000.

It is important to realize that the pollies -- those who did not prepare -- are like the fool who drives across a desert on bald tires with no spare with a car load of children. When berated by horrified family members after safely arriving at the destination, the defense offered is: "Duhhh. But NOTHING HAPPENED. There was NO NEED for good tires. There was NO NEED for a spare tire."

KoS, you were and are a surprisingly belligerent, deluded thing. What frustration your words emanate.

-- aqua (aqu@fin.a), September 02, 2000.

Msg. for KOS and the rest of the remaining Y2k FUD ASSHOLES:

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), September 02, 2000.

Sounds like all those beans are taking on the flavor of sour grapes for ya kos.

-- CD (costavike@hotmail.com), September 02, 2000.

Keep your preps, lil shrubya might just get elected to the white house, and then the bubble will go pop.

-- Warning (for@you.all), September 02, 2000.

Just noticed today the vulgarity in this supposed KOS's address.

KOS wouldn't stoop so. PRO might but not KOS.

-- Carlos (riffraff@cybertime.net), September 02, 2000.

ROFLMAO

Good call CPR!

Carlos, you should check the old board, KOS used that email address all along.

-- Pallas Athena (zues@head.com), September 02, 2000.

That has always been his email address. You can see an example here in his Goodbye to TB2000 post.

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), September 02, 2000.

Didn't remember that. Ducking here.

-- Carlos (riffraff@cybertime.net), September 02, 2000.

"Just noticed today the vulgarity in this supposed KOS's address."

"cum" is "vulgar"??

Hmmmm, I thought it was what makes babies when 2 people make love.

-- (some.people.just@have.vulgar.minds), September 02, 2000.

"Cum" is slang and vulgar, "sperm" is the right term.

-- Ms. Etiquette (lexicon@for.you.sperm), September 02, 2000.

Correction. To be precise, the correct word for the slang and vulgar "cum" would be ejaculation. Which ofcourse, is composed of sperm.

Sorry for the confusion this might have caused.

-- Ms. Etiquette (lexicon@for.you.oops), September 02, 2000.

I don't think cum is vulgar, I think it tastes good, especially when I swallow it all the way down.

Vindicated Regards,
Andy Ray

-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), September 02, 2000.

It's nice to see so many from the old days that post here; Carlos, Flint, hmmm, Oxy, just to name a few. I've been posting at Ed Yourdon's "Y2K FANS" site, infrequently, for the last few months. Unfortunately, I think that it has essentially died of stagnation. Somebody posted a link to this place, so here I am.

As I said in my "goodbye" on ye olde TB2K, clearly I misjudged what was going on with Y2K. I really and truly was expecting an economic depression, at the very LEAST. I wish I had given way more credence to the optimistic news that appeared, especially during late '99. I especially regret some of the actions that I took towards pollies back then, who were actually acting quite responsibly. (Obviously, there were a few irresponsible pollies, such as Andy Ray and Y2K Pro, but largely these were the exceptions.) I felt that Y2K disruptions would be massive, and wanted to do all I could to encourage personal preparation; arguments that Y2K would not be a big deal, I felt, acted to dissuage personal preps. My error and my shame.

Nevertheless, I feel that personal preparation was the prudent thing to do, and stand by that. Even if the odds were small (as pollies pointed out), the stakes were quite high (as per my desert road trip example).

With Y2K over and done, it is nice to be able to leisurely dissect and analyze where I went wrong, and learn from it; it was tough to have meaningful debates with the pressure of an impending deadline last year. This is what I was hoping to do at Ed's site, before it stagnated.

And, of course, it's great to see such a high interest in female mudwrestling. And eager women also, of course.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), September 02, 2000.

KOS:

There's been quite a bit of dissection, but combing through past threads on this forum will take a bit of research. There's a near- current thread called "Eve to Ken - Let's Party" or some such, and near the bottom is a great link from hmmm to a previous thread where the same material is covered. Between those threads, you can come up to speed, since they seem to address the points you make.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), September 02, 2000.

Thanks, Flint. I'll research it.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), September 02, 2000.

Hey KOS!

-- helen (waiting@mud.for.you), September 03, 2000.

Hey KOS, if you are the original KOS, these words are for you, and if you aren't, they I prayed a pox, that you might get a crotch itch, to drive you half, mad. That said, if you are Just, then my words mean nothing. The Games do continue, for those who all those, with a truth in their hearts (though we may be skin-fully flawed). I dare anyone to question the skin existance I have gone through, or my friends. I have to Stand Up, on this one. You may call me a Fool until the end of times, So Be It! But you never walked in my shoes, or felt/saw whatever pain. Some may sugar-coat skin life. Because they have never experienced such a situation. Please God Almighty, let these words circle the earth ten thousand fold. Jesus, you told me I would meet opposition, and I have. But you have made it bearable, at each cross-roads, and I Thank You. Please remember Folks, everyone doesn't drive a new SUV. Do you really believe they had a choice? No Sir, the Bible sez we each are left talents, and the LandLord is away. He looks at how we manage whatever he left us. Easier for a camel to get through the eye of the needle, then For a rich man to get through the Your call..... Insult me as you will. No, I am not perfect, but I am compassionate.

-- Guess Floyd (didn'tarrive@yourneighborhood.com), September 03, 2000.

Ms. Etiquette, Actually CUM is mostly fructose with a dash of sperm. Taste apparently varies from person to person.

-- Pecker Checker (ps@medical.science), September 03, 2000.

"Cum" is slang and vulgar, "sperm" is the right term.

-- Ms. Etiquette (lexicon@for.you.sperm), September 02, 2000.

Correction. To be precise, the correct word for the slang and vulgar "cum" would be ejaculation. Which ofcourse, is composed of sperm.

Sorry for the confusion this might have caused.

-- Ms. Etiquette (lexicon@for.you.oops), September 02, 2000.

Actually the word you are looking for is ejaculate if you are describing the actual spermy substance that leaks down one's leg after the act. Ejaculation is the action that sprays most of the ejaculate in the direction that your pecker, oooops, I mean penis is pointed when it goes off. So in essence either definition is correct since "cum" is a two meaning word that can be used to describe either the fluid or the act of discharge.

You should have learned all of this hanging on the street corner, I'm disappointed in you.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), September 03, 2000.

The word you are all looking so ardently for is "semen."

Glad I could help.

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), September 03, 2000.

Yea sure Floyd. It's real compassionate and Christian-like to wish or pray for a pox upon someone.

Btw, I'm still waiting for my pox from last year {major eye roll}.

-- cin (cin@cinn.cin), September 03, 2000.

I must beg to differ, hmmm. Ejaculate is the best word for cum, as it can be used as either a verb or a noun, unlike semen.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), September 03, 2000.

wad, load, jizz, sperm, semen, spooge, cum, juice, seed, lovemilk, etc.

Doesn't matter what you call it, none of them are vulgar because they all mean the same thing, part of a normal human bodily function. It is only vulgar in the minds of those who have been taught that they should feel guilty about sex.

-- Dr. Ruth (sex@is.good), September 03, 2000.

(Obviously, there were a few irresponsible pollies, such as Andy Ray and Y2K Pro, but largely these were the exceptions.)

KOS,

I can only speak for myself and a couple of others, but there is more to the story about this than you will likely ever know. Our "sin" was disagreement. Our skill at disagreement was persuasive enough to "justify" fascism on the part of the Hysteria leadership. And persuasive enough that you and others did - and even now, after the fact - continue to defend these acts. Neither myself, Y2K Pro, nor DoomersSuck™ did all of the things at the Hysterium for which received "credit."

I would refer you to the post appearing prior to your comment as evidence.

Regards,
Andy Ray

-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), September 03, 2000.

Whine...whine...whine. "I am a victim! Everyone treats me unfairly. OTFR is mean to me...etc." And, you wonder why I broke up with you???

Bored Regards,
Andy Boy

-- Andy Boy (andyboy666@hotmale.com), September 03, 2000.

Damn closing tags...sometimes they're as easy to forget as you are

-- Andy Boy (andyboy666@hotmale.com), September 03, 2000.

This has to be KOS, the style is just not easily duplicated, especially "on the fly".

Welcome, Your Majesty, you are a breath of fresh air.

-- WD-40 (wd40@squeak.not), September 03, 2000.

The alternative interpretation of cum also makes sense - especially in view of His Majesty's undoubted very high level of education.dev.from the Latin meaning "with".

-- Chris (chris@griffenmill.com), September 03, 2000.

ahem

-- helen (blushing_furiously@you.guys), September 03, 2000.

Thanks, I forgot about the Latin thingy.

Veni Vidi Cum....I came, I saw, I spurted!

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), September 03, 2000.

Or, as the Roman soldiers used to say about their trips to the brothel:

I came, I caught, I cankered

-- Johnny Canuck (j_canuck@hotmail.com), September 04, 2000.

Maybe I missed something here, but does KOS know that Ed Yourdon moved TB2K to ezboard, where the "Doomers" immediately went on to spirited discussion of other societal elements that pose various risks?

KOS, have you checked out the very active and real ezTB2K where your friends are?
If not, you are missing your former excellent and intelligent Forum.
You would be MOST WELCOME back.

ezTB2K

http://pub5.ezboard.com/fyourdontimebomb2000

-- puzzled (KOS@doesn't.know), September 06, 2000.