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I've just visited a few Rangers related sites for a gloat and believe me it was scary. I'm telling you, that club is an evil institution supported by racist psychopaths. I've always hated Rangers in the real sense of the word. I hate Sunderland in the over used football sense but I'm serious when I say that Rangers fans scare me. They hate me because I'm a Catholic. No other reason. Just a quick look at any of their fans' sites will make it plain why any right minded person should detest and despise that club. Evil bastards.

-- Anonymous, August 27, 2000

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I don't have time to find any Rangers sights, but I would be interested to know what has been said, only if you have time though. Always been on the celtic side of glagow mesell like, but I am sure it goes both ways

-- Anonymous, August 28, 2000

I don't whether I've got this link right but try it anyway.

http://boards.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=981&p=16

I have to agree with what SMB says. The idea of Rangers fans calling Celtic followers bigots (that was in the first message I read) is quite funny really. Which team was it who went for three centuries or so without signing a Catholic?

As a sample for those who can't be bothered to go to the board try this:

************* re: Rangers the true Scottish team

--------------------------------------- F*UCK THE POPE AND THE IRA

NO SURRENDER

1690

****************

Charming eh?

-- Anonymous, August 28, 2000


Syme, I don't want to give those morons the satisfaction of another hit but the stuff Jacko mentioned is run of the mill Rangers fans crack. It's all bile about The Pope, the Irish, Roman Catholics and scary stuff about the U.V.F, U.F.F, U.D.A, etc etc.

While I agree to some extent that it works both ways; you'll never read anything from a Celtic fan saying that he hates Protestants because if he did, he would not have the right to call himself a Catholic. Celtic fans don't hate Protestants but Rangers fans speak for themselves.

-- Anonymous, August 28, 2000


I have no feeling for either team & have to say my expirience is they are both as bad as each other, for every UDA song, the celts have an IRA supporting comeback. Fans can be very selective.

-- Anonymous, August 29, 2000

Thanks for the info lads, I hadn't realized it was so one way. As for me not being bothered to go to the Rangers site since I am not a computer savvie kinda lad it would take me hours to find the site in question, nothing to do with be bothered just trying to keep me job is all

-- Anonymous, August 29, 2000


The song that is most often sung at Ibrox Park goes like this:

Hallo, Hallo, We are the Billy Boys, Hallo, Hallo, We are the Billy Boys, We're up to our necks in Fenian blood, Surrender or you'll die, (I'm not sure about the last line but you can bet your arse it isn't to do with everyone being friends and getting along!

The song most often sung at Celtic Park goes:

Low lie the fields of Athenry, where once we watched the small freebirds fly, Our love was on the wing, we had dreams and songs to sing, It's so lonely 'round the fields of Athenry.

Spot the difference?

-- Anonymous, August 30, 2000


The terrifying thing is that is being replicated in Northern Ireland every Saturday, too: Glentoran v Linfield - yep, a game you'd want to go to. On the Catholic point, SMB, I had the pleasure of meeting some Northern Irish lads last time we played at Anfield and got chatting about my own Irish Catholic antecedents (on my mother's side). Next thing you know, I'm getting abuse cos I don't support Liverpool or "United" instead of a protestnat club like Newcastle.

-- Anonymous, August 30, 2000

You are being selective: , I understood it went Follow, Follow, We are the Billy Boys.... you'll nae us by our noise & the last line "we are the British billy boys", however that's irrelevant.

I have been sung to by Celts with little ditties about the latest IRA bombing campaign & to be honest I find songs about killing in the present time more threatening, ignorent & bigotted than a war centuries ago of which the British had many. As I said, I take neither side in the religious battle as for me it's irrelevant arguing & fighting over who has the best imaginary friend - (Ok we're talking different codes of christianity here with the same imaginary friend but you know what I mean).

-- Anonymous, August 31, 2000


Dougal, who decides which club is catholic & which is protestant ? it is the first time I've heard Newcastle being linked with protestants but would go some way to explain the graffiti and violence that accompanied Beardsley's testimonial v's Celtic.

-- Anonymous, August 31, 2000

First of all if I may reply to Tony's question; Newcasle United do not and never have had, any religious leanings.

To answer Dave; Dave I hope you didn't think that I meant that YOU were being selective. Selective was a word you used in your original posting and I was replying to that point, that's all. Anyway, I geuninely didn't want to get into an argument with you or anyone over this issue. I can only speak of my own experiences and having been to Celtic Park quite a few times, I can honestly say that I have never come across anyone who openly supported or sang the praises of the I.R.A in it's present guise; (namely, a buch of gangsters) although no doubt there will be some. What you will hear in the pubs around Parkhead are traditional songs about the old I.R.A which was (in my opinion) a legitimate, freedom fighting army. When I was a child, there were L.P's in my house with titles such as "Songs of Freedom" and the like. It was the way of things in my family not to forget our Irish roots, even though we've been here for more than a century. Nobody in my family ever supported an I.R.A bombing though.

The bottom line is that Celtic as a club was founded for the most honourable reasons. Rangers became a focul point for hard line Protestantism, which it remains to this day. When it comes to bigotry the two clubs and the two sets of fans aren't even close.

I hope and am sure you will, take this in the spirit it is meant Dave.

Finally Dougal, I'm not sure about Glentoran but they played a friendly against Rangers last week so I doubt very much that they are of a Catholic persuasion. Cliftonville are, as far as I'm aware the only "major" club in the north of Ireland with a majority Catholic support.

Phew!

-- Anonymous, August 31, 2000



SMB, I think Glentoran are officially politically and religiously neutral and Linfield likewise but they fall into firm sectarian classes. I'm told by fans of both clubs of the ditties sung at friendlies against Liverpool and Rangers etc. "Fenian b.....s" is how a Linfield supporter describes Glentoran and I've heard the same sort of stuff from a Glentoran supporter. Some nice (AHEM) Geordies at Liverpool behind Screach and I were hollering "you're worse than Celtic, you paddy c...s" at the Scousers. We may only be perceived as being a Protestant club as we have not had the mass Irish immigration that Manchester and Liverpool have had. Our football connections with Northern Ireland are largely with Protestant Linfield. It's difficult to assess the accuracy of the assumption that we are a Protestant club, mainly beacuse unlike Manchester (where Man U was almost Manchester Celtic and the City/Man United divide was partly along religious grounds) and Liverpool (where historically there was a divide between Liverpool and Everton along religious grounds) and Sheffield, we don't really have another club to divide the city on religious grounds. To that extent, a few bigoted maggots apart, I think we probably are a religiously neutral club. Have to say, it was very disconcerting to have the NI Liverpool fans take such issue with anyone of Northern Irish Catholic descent supporting a club other than Liverpool, Man United or Celtic.

-- Anonymous, August 31, 2000

I should stres that a lot of the foregoing is based on anecdotal evidence from supporters I've spoken to - I don't want to accuse either Linfield or Glentoran of being sectarian. I am merely told by supporters of both clubs that they are. Likwisem, there's some supposition in the Toon stuff.

-- Anonymous, August 31, 2000

I can see why Newcastle (the city) would be linked with Protestantism/ Methodism by anyone looking for religious bones to pick. For what they're worth, two recollections from the Gallowgate in the early to mid 80s : roughly equal numbers of those beanies that were half B&W and half either Celtic or Rangers; also, roughly equal numbers of Rangers/ Celtic chants, all of which then merged into a united "Newcastle" chant. I don't recall hearing any sectarian songs ever - just plenty of that National Front sh$t, "Little White Bull" and other poisonous cr@p.

As far as I'm concerned then, religion has precisely NOTHING to do with my club. Supporters of other clubs are welcome to go down that bile- ridden path if they wish, but I fail to see why the two should even be mentioned in the same breath as far as NUFC are concerned. Thankfully.

-- Anonymous, August 31, 2000


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