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then you and me can fall out properly and I won't converse with you agin?..Fair enough?..After all...you have far too much integrity as a fan than I do.

-- Anonymous, August 22, 2000

Answers

The hard times! Oh my God, you're breaking my heart! You only won the F.A Cup now and again did you? Life's a bitch isn't it?

Yes you chose Manchester United. That's the difference between real fans and glory hunters. Are you starting to see now? I, for your information, was born and still live in Gateshead. I was taken to St. James's Park by my dad as an infant. We haven't won a domestic trophy in all that time but I still go. It's in my blood you see? You mentioned Geordies "crying on the telly". Yes some did. Personally I didn't, but I felt like it. They cried because they care so much. It's our birth right to follow Newcastle United and we do, through a lot more bad times than good. You know what though? If we ever do win anything, you'll see us cry again. I'll be crying like the rest of them. We love Tyneside, we love our club and we'll cry with joy. We didn't pick our team. It just IS our team and win or lose they always will be. Glory hunters can't understand that. I wonder how old you are? If you were born in the early 60's as I was, I'll bet you were a Leeds or Arsenal fan firstly. Then you'll have become a Liverpool fan until finally settling for Manchester United because they are on the television the most. You see I know your sort. Every school in the country has people like you in them. No mates to go to the match with and so they "support" the team that's doing well lately.

You don't have the faintest idea of what it's really like to be a fan. You sir, are a glory hunter.

-- Anonymous, August 22, 2000


SMB: IMHO its not just the desire for glory that draws people to teams like the Leeds of Don Revie or Manure of Taggart. There also seems an attraction to the "I am always right" crowd. So the whinning of Taggart, and Revie before him, was actually exactly what Manureites want to hear. I have looked hard for evidence of rational argument about interesting subjects in LR's postings. Some people who claim to have met him say that he does know something about football - but what I read seems to end up with the 8 year- old "I can piss higher than you" or "My dad will beat your Dad up". His dislike of Liverpool seems to bear this out. I have stood on the Anfield terrace, and the Spurs terrace for that matter, and despite being vocal in support of Newcastle have had good conversations with those supporters about the skills and deficiencies of both teams, and I am talking of good times and not so good for both lots. It is not possible to do that with Manure fans. Its almost certainly not possible to explain to them why we support NUFC - they are missing the necessary gene!

-- Anonymous, August 22, 2000

Sorry Sounder - I have to disagree with you. I had a number of "informed" discussions with ManUre supporters on Sunday - our very own LR included. Some of them even came from closer to OT than I do (Blyth) from SJP. Crikey - two myths exposed in one reply.

-- Anonymous, August 23, 2000

Screach, would you please supply us with the mean, median, mode, and standard deviation of the individuals in your survey? Furthermore which quartile does LR belong to, or was he simply discarded?

:-7

-- Anonymous, August 23, 2000


Birthright.....yawn yawn yawn. Never heard so much TOSH in my life. I met a girl from Warwickshire yesterday..a Newcastle fan..I suppose you don't want her? Age SMB?..what's that got to do with anything. Never once mentioned me dad beating yours up...or how high I could pee. Your obvious hatred for us and everything about us..without knowing us is pleasing:-)..It's because of people like you that makes me expose myths...which then gets me into shit on here...so enjoy yer birthright mate...glad to see you moved far in the world..Gateshead eh..still?..Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

Hang on..oh the feckin' IRONY of it all....I have NEVER ONCE IN MY LIFE come across a United fan who used to support another team...but that girl I met yesterday USED to support Villa..she told me..Now THAT'S funny...the ONLY ever person I personally know to have swapped clubs..and she chose NUFC....lol...oh boy.

My hatred of Liverpool....I don't actually..I feel sorry for them now. Nice to know your sentiments lead that way boyo....you must hold aliegience to Sunderland too huh, if that's the way you think?

WATPOAE

-- Anonymous, August 23, 2000



BTW SMB.....YOU were the one giving it large about my Local Team..so which one Oh Wise one should...in your HUMBLE opinion... I be following?

Next!

-- Anonymous, August 23, 2000


You really are a fool aren't you? Don't you see what I'm driving at? I didn't choose my club. It just IS my club. You on the other hand chose Manchester United. Why? Was it because they're always on the telly? Was it because they win things. Possibly both. You could have chosen any team from the numerous places you've lived in, but you chose Man.Utd. What a flaming surprise!

As for your strange and somewhat snide remark about me still living in Gateshead; well I love Gateshead sunshine and don't want to live anywhere else - ever. There is a sense of community you see? Gateshead folk together and all that and what's more, Tyneside folk together. That's why our team means so very much more to us than the team of any glory hunting Manchester United or Liverpool fan means to them.

Now shut up. You've lost this argument as you lose all the others.

-- Anonymous, August 23, 2000


I just HAVE to answer this ididot...according to you....I should have waited 30 years until I finally settled down...loked over my past and then pick a team from a place I have lived...oh dear oh dear....that is numpty talk...you ain't a numpty are ya. Now...when I BEGAN supporting United we were indeed on the telly...LOSING a cup final in 76....SEVEN years prior to their first win with me in tow.

You live in a land of Mythmate....and if it is Gateshead that' sdoing it...get yerself out NOW. You REALLY think that the community still exists in the way that you paint it....leave yer door unlocked at tnight do ya? Yer also in cloud cuckooo land if ya think that NUFC means more to you than MUFC or LFC means to their fans. All the same..even Oxford fans.

Jesus..U really do think you are something special up ther don't ya. If I said what U did I'd have a red face.

I'm quite happy to agree that there are some loyal and passionate fans in Newcastle.....but don't try and paint the picture that U do....it makes you sound like yer a breed apart...Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!

-- Anonymous, August 24, 2000


>>>>>Yer also in cloud cuckooo land if ya think that NUFC means more to you than MUFC or LFC means to their fans. All the same..even Oxford fans.

Actually, LR, you are probably wrong on this one as well. No surprise there then.

The fact is that Geordies have a stronger "sense of place" and a greater love of their region than any other group of people. This is attested to by a number of writers and commentators in the press and on the radio (I think Glasgow and your own beloved Liverpool run it close in this respect). This sense of place has nothing to do with football but we football fans, especially those of us born and bred here, take a tremendous pride in the club as being representative of the region. Even those of us not born and bred here can be touched by this. For example, Softie came to football late in life, liked United and decided to live here so he could see them play. He has quickly fallen in love with the region (as you may have noticed from his writings) and has pictures of the city and the Tyne Bridge in the house. Softie is a Geordie. Similarly Ciara, who came to Newcastle from the other side of the Atlantic and almost on arrival, said that she felt she had come "home". This works for non-football fans - I recently was looking at a property in Cambridge when I saw a picture of the Tyne Bridge on the wall in one of the rooms. I enquired why the lady had this and suddenly a huge smile crossed her face. "We used to live there" she said. "Oh it was wonderful, the people are just so special".

The fact is that people LOVE the North East. The majority of our fans who attend matches were born and bred here so their love of their team is magnified by this love of the region. So in this respect we are not the same as fans of the two Manchester clubs (I suspect City are closer to us in these terms than Manu supporters).

As for your own "choice" of team don't you think that all the hype that attends Manu had something to do with your choice at the time? It's interesting to speculate that if you had gotten hooked on football 2 years earlier you would have become a Newcastle fan if your criteria was chosing the losing cup finalists.

-- Anonymous, August 26, 2000


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