Hey, guys... anyone in District # 35 in Florida... now there is a CHristian running for Senate. His name is David Vaughan, he is a good friend of mine and he is party line but Christian. If I was there in florida I would vote for him. We sure could use him in MO.

Check out his site david@vaughanforsenate.com

-- Anonymous, August 21, 2000

Answers

AKelley.....

What does this mean......

..."he is party line but a Christian."

Please explain.

Is this in the same way that Joe "Liberal-man" is an orthodox Jew but votes pro-abortion??

-- Anonymous, August 21, 2000

Actually John.....I heard it from a shock jock out of Chicago by the name of "Mancow."

Ever heard of him??

He's kind of the conservative answer to Howard Stern.

-- Anonymous, August 22, 2000

I need to correct the web address... it is www.vaughanforsenate.com Thanks

-- Anonymous, August 21, 2000

I've read where Al Gore's mother belongs to a Church of Christ.

Will that influence any one's vote here?

The reason I ask that is because many are claiming that most Jews will vote for Gore/Lieberman because Lieberman is on the ticket. (I think most Jews are liberal and would vote that ticket anyway).

(And don't get me wrong ~ I love the Jewish people). This, however, doesn't negate what I feel about their rejection of the Savior. I still love them, because God does.

On the 'Bush' thread, someone indicated he was for the democratic position, and wonder what his thoughts are now.

-- Anonymous, August 21, 2000

Dear Connie:

You have asked:

I've read where Al Gore's mother belongs to a Church of Christ.

Will that influence any one's vote here?

All Christians are members of the church (or body) of Christ and if Al Gores mother is a Christian she is a member of the Church of Christ. However, I would wonder if Al learned much from her since he has been the constant companion of a deliberate liar for eight years now! He supports the killing of innocent children in their mothers womb and this fact would bring nothing but shame to a faithful Christian mother.

Now we refer not to a sect or denomination separate from all of the other saints of God in the world when we use the term church of Christ. We use that tem in the exact same sense in which we use the term Christian. For the exact same thing that makes one a Christian automatically and by the exact same process makes one a member of the family or house of God which is the church of the living God the pillar and ground of the truth. (2 TIm.3: 15) For there is only one body or Church of Christ of which all who have obeyed the gospel belong. (Matt. 16:16; Eph. 1:22, Col. 1:18,24; Eph 4:4). and the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved (Acts 2:47). Therefore, one who is a Christian by having obeyed the gospel of Christ is a member of the Church of Christ.

I believe that a better question would be if we all knew that Al Gores mother were a Christian would that influence our vote? It is not uncommon for a man to have a mother that is far better than he is in faith, character and morals. SO the goodness of ones mother or father is not always a good criteria for accepting them. My mom used to say that every tub sits on its own bottom. Even Gore himself is trying to now separate himself from his lying President and be his own man. For you see it is no longer politically expedient for him to be tied to one whom we all know deliberately and purposefully lied to the American people. Well, if he knows now that his President is a problem because of the fact that many Americans are agry that he has lied to them then he knew it before now and what did he do? He kept his mouth shut and worse even spoke enthusiasticly in support of this liar. Where was he when moral courage was needed? Where was he when real leadership was required to do the right thing even if it cost him politically as he pretends now to be so willing to do? And little did he know that he was always his own man and he will be judged for his own choices. His choice to support the killing of innocent children in their mothers womb is not one that can be blamed upon his mother, though she will love him as all mothers do, regardless what he does. But God will judge him for this thing in a way that his mother cannot. Sometimes I wonder if his mother had though the same way he did about abortion would he be running for the Presidency today?

Well, Connie, I would be tempted to vote for his Mother If she were running and we knew that she was in fact a faithful Christian, though I am somewhat adverse to Christians getting mixed up in politics! Ha! But the fact that she may be a faithful Christian does not in the least affect my decision to not vote for Al Gore. If he were a righteous man he would have taken a stand against the evils of our current President and could have significantly influenced this nations attitude toward the rule of law and truth and right. But he had no moral courage; instead he acted as if he in fact agreed with this Presidents behavior and all that was done by him! I do not want a president lacking in moral courage! Liars and their companions do not belong in that high office! We will one -day regret our lack of moral courage in this country and our willingness to elect and reelect those who love to lie. No Connie, I would not vote for Al Gore if his mother were the most wonderful and faithful Christian woman in the world for if she is he has betrayed all of the principals that she holds dear to her heart if she is a faithful Christian.

Anyway, Connie, your question is a good one and I am sure that we Christians should keep our hearts and minds upon the kingdom of God and the affairs that our King has ordered us to attend to. But as for me and my house we will serve Jehovah! We will not assist those who have the innocent blood of unborn children dripping from their hands regardless of how faithful a Christian that wretched souls mother may be!

Those who lie should not be supported by anyone! Clinton is a pathetic case of one who is nothing short of a deliberate and habitual almost pathological liar. He has not even thought of repentance except as a political show to keep those who consider themselves Christians from turning upon him politically.

Let us pray that we might live quiet and peaceful lives and serve God and accept the fact that Christ is our King. And while we must obey the earthly rulers we have no need of them for our God is our King and he will provide for us a place that where he is there we will be also.

For Christ,

E. Lee Saffold

-- Anonymous, August 21, 2000

Joe Liberalman ... hahaha! That sounds like a Rush-ism. =)

-- Anonymous, August 21, 2000

Danny it was a type o... I meant NOT at party line guy. Just check out his web address.

-- Anonymous, August 21, 2000

Lee, Your mom's saying,"Every tub sits on it's own bottom," is a great one!

-- Anonymous, August 21, 2000

Watch Gore Boogie!



-- Anonymous, August 22, 2000

I see two things in this picture:

1. Gore is still pretty stiff, and
2. He's pretty good at ducking.

Although he did seem to have some nice moves at the convention (at least Tipper thought so!) <grin>.

-- Anonymous, August 22, 2000

From Nelta's site:

[For informational purposes only]

FOR GORE, BAPTIST WORSHIP MIXES WITH ENVIRONMENTAL SPIRITUALITY By Julia Lieblich, Associated Press, 7/7/2000 via Harold Kent Straughn NEW YORK (AP) By the time Al Gore arrived at Vanderbilt Divinity School in 1971, the antiwar mood in the country had muted, and it was a good place for a Vietnam veteran to figure out what to do with his life. His professors called him one of ''the searchers,'' who thought studying theologians and philosophers could help them make sense of Vietnam. He stayed for a year, taking courses on the Hebrew prophets and social justice, religion and the natural sciences, and the like a far cry from the fundamentals he learned growing up in the New Salem Missionary Baptist Church near Carthage, Tenn.

Both the conservative church and the progressive divinity school left their mark. Gore and his wife, Tipper, say they are both ''born- again,'' and they attend a small church that's part of the increasingly conservative Southern Baptist Convention. But Gore's writings about the spiritual roots of the world's environmental problems in his book, ''Earth in the Balance,'' have brought charges of New Age pantheism from Christian conservatives. Gore maintains that exploring diverse teachings about religion and the environment has been key to finding his own spiritual balance. ''The search for truths about this ungodly (environmental) crisis and the search for truths about myself have been the same search all along,'' he writes in the book.

Spiritual influences competed from Gore's earliest days. ''He grew up with what we in the South call a mixed marriage,'' says Eugene TeSelle, a Vanderbilt professor who taught Gore. His father went to a Baptist church, his mother, the Church of Christ, and they brought their son on alternate Sundays. During the summers in Carthage, he joined his grandparents at what one biographer called ''hellfire and damnation'' revival meetings that could last for days.

He spent most of the year in Washington, where his father served in the House and then the Senate. There, young Al attended morning chapel at St. Albans, an Episcopal school favored by the Roosevelts and Bushes, which preached to young men about heaven and Harvard. During his junior year at Harvard, Gore had his first ''born-again'' experience.

''It's very personal and I don't want to be advertising all of the particulars and details,'' he told ABC News. ''When I was a young man, I had an experience (of) a very intense awareness of the presence and the meaning of Jesus and the message of God through Jesus.'' But Gore says his experience in the Vietnam War he spent a five-month tour as an army journalist would challenge teachings he had taken on faith. ''It's wrong, we're wrong,'' he wrote of the war in a 1966 letter to his future wife. In the end, he called the war ''one of the most painful and costly experiences in American history'' and said it left him ruminating on the ease with which people inflict suffering and such evils as massive starvation and nuclear war.

He wanted to know, ''How can human beings do these things to each other?'' said Jack Forstman, a Vanderbilt professor. ''He thought a few courses in religious studies, particularly in ethics and philosophy of religion, would be helpful in ordering his own mind.'' Gore never intended to become a minister. He attended Vanderbilt on a yearlong Rockefeller Foundation scholarship for people planning secular careers, and later said that he had hoped to make sense of the social injustices that seemed to challenge his religious beliefs.

The university in Nashville was a center of social activism. In the 1960s, when James Lawson, a black divinity student, was expelled from the school because of his anti-segregation work with the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the faculty protested until he was readmitted. Feminism was already a key issue in the 1970s, and ecological concerns were emerging.

''Our strength was interfaith understanding, grappling with critical philosophical issues that seemed to undermine theology,'' said David Ogletree, Gore's Christian ethics professor who now teaches at Yale.

Still, Gore remained grounded in traditional worship after he left Vanderbilt, attending churches and prayer meetings as his political career advanced, representing religiously conservative Tennessee, as his father did. He invoked Christian parables in political speeches as a congressman and senator, and later as vice president, at times falling into a preacher's cadences. When Gore began a talk at the Temple Of Deliverance, Church of God in Christ in Memphis in September 1996, it sounded like a political speech. But when audience members cried out ''amen'' and ''preach,'' he segued into the biblical tale of the good Samaritan.

''When we reach down to the man beside the road who has been passed by for so long, we are called upon to lift him up and testify, and with our, faith, breathe life,'' he said, blowing into the microphone for emphasis. While in Carthage, the Gores continued to attend the Salem Missionary Baptist Church of Al's childhood. In Washington, they went to Tipper's home church in Arlington, Va.: Mount Vernon Baptist, where she would serve as a deaconess.

In the late 1970s, she and her husband reaffirmed their religious commitment when they were ''born again'' at the Arlington church.

''He was baptized here, full immersion.'' says the Rev. Martha Phillips, the church's interim minister. ''When we are immersed we are burying our sins with Christ.'' A few years later, Tipper earned points with the religious right with her campaign to put warning labels on records that contained sexually explicit and violent lyrics.

A family crisis intensified the couple's self-reflection. In 1989, Gore saw his 6-year-old son Albert hit by a car and almost lose his life.

''A single horrifying event triggered a big change in the way I thought about my relationship with life itself,'' he wrote in ''Earth in the Balance.'' The incident ''gave me a new sense of urgency about those things I value the most.'' Determined to spend time with his wife and four children, he decided not to seek the 1992 Democratic nomination.

Tipper continued her work as an advocate for the mentally ill and homeless, a commitment her husband calls an expression of faith. Gore went on to write his personal, passionate discussion of his environmental beliefs.

In ''Earth in the Balance,'' Gore wrote of his faith, which he said was ''rooted in the unshakable belief in God as creator and sustainer, a deeply personal interpretation of the relationship with Christ, and an awareness of a constant and holy spiritual presence in all people, all life, and all things.'' Faith, he wrote, should lead to an adherence to just principles, including a responsibility to preserve the earth for future generations. He talked of lessons to be learned from other religious traditions, including ancient earth goddess worship, and of God's place in the universe.

''Why does it feel faintly heretical to a Christian to suppose that God is in us as human beings?'' he wrote. ''Why do our children believe that the Kingdom of God is up, somewhere in the ethereal reaches of space, far removed from this planet? Are we still ... looking everywhere except in the real world.'' Ogletree says Gore's sense of the sacred in nature was not at odds with a belief in a transcendent God: ''The Old Testament is full of images of God being concretely present and yet totally beyond.'' But Mark Tooley of the conservative Institute for Religion and Democracy wrote that Gore offended Christians who believe that ''the Earth is but a footstool to the sovereign and very distinct creator of all creation.'' His positions on political issues involving religion have been tough to categorize. Gore is pro-choice and supports gay rights, positions that Southern Baptist Convention officials have urged him to recant. He is also against school vouchers supported by many religious conservatives. While he agrees with liberals that evolution should be taught in public schools, he made conservatives happy when he said localities should be free to teach creationism as well.

He supports ''charitable choice,'' a plan that many religious conservatives support and more liberal groups call a violation of church-state separation.. It allows the government to fund church-based social programs, such as drug abuse counseling, homeless shelters and efforts to combat youth violence. ''The men and women who work in faith- and values-based organizations are driven by their spiritual commitment; to serve their God, they have sustained the drug-addicted, the mentally ill, the homeless; they have trained them, educated them, cared for them, healed them,'' he said in Atlanta last May. ''Most of all, they have done what government can never do; what it takes God's help, sometimes, for all of us to manage; they have loved them.'' When in Washington, Gore still attends Baptist services, drawn to the boyhood prayers, the familiar cadences and the faith he says helps him ''to choose meaning and direction ... despite the buffeting chaos in life.''

''He always listens very carefully to the sermon,'' says Pastor Phillips. ''His eyes are glued on you when you're preaching.''

Anyone have similar per Lieberman, Cheney, Bush? commentary? Harold Helm

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Going back to the Apostles' inspired teaching, leaving behind the traditions of men.

-- Anonymous, August 24, 2000