An attemp at cencorship... do you have the e-mail?

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One of these people have a copy of the e-mail that someone sent around in the attempt to trace me and out me... I'm looking for help.

Subject: ip1 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:48:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Mortimer Snodgrass To: mara wayne CC: capnfun@excite.com, unclb0b@aol.com, howe9@shentel.net, JJCooke@yahoo.com, jess@listbot.com, bumpkin@dnet.net, y2kboard@yahoo.com, Z1X4Y7@aol.com, cinlooo@aol.com, shh@aol.com, kb8um8@yahoo.com, nemesis@awol.com, andyman633@hotmail.com, brian@ims.com, lars@indy.net, riffraff@cybertime.net, eve_rebekah@yahoo.com

So far...Lars, eve, and surprisingly, cin loo and andy ray responded... but to no avail... SO...

I have to assume that mara wayne, capfun, uncle bob, jim cooke, david L, Z, nemisis, Brian , and carlos think this kind of activity is ok... that this could never happen to them... so it's ok.

Are you thinking "no harm, no foul"?... How would you like to be hunted for over a year? After DE Bunker and Biffy closed I thought I could relax, let down my guard, and post without too many precautions, but these are NEW IP's... something stinks here and I'd like some help. If you have a copy of the e-mail please send it to: e_vs@hotmail.com

No need to post that here, but I can make good use of it for all that want to remain anon.

No guts, no glory....

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), July 09, 2000

Answers

umm -- NG - not that you sound paranoid or anything, but maybe they are busy and haven't seen your post?

Are you thinking "no harm, no foul"?... How would you like to be hunted for over a year?

I'd hate to be on your assumed shitlist! ROFL

-- (doomerstomper@usa.net), July 09, 2000.


First of all, before anyone "answers" NG, realize that HE is carlos, and he is playing some kind of game.

He is the one who tried to help the nazi/censors "out" people, and has tried his share of "pinging" in an attempt to trace people.

FO, Wetoast....

-- (go@to.hell.loser), July 09, 2000.


NG--

I retrieved the email and have forwarded it to you. Let me know if you don't receive it.

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), July 09, 2000.


Netghost,

Just for the record,I never recieved any such type of email,I noticed that thread earlier and was somewhat puzzled and double checked to make sure,no e-mail.

Furthermore,I once asked for your "tech" opinion on a subject and you replied in a laughing,arrogant,condescending fashion,so,if I did have that info it is probable that you would get just enough of it to run you around in circles for awhile.

Do you "GI" grasshopper? Ya meet the same people on the way up as ya do on the way down. (Simplified- Don't be an asshole to anyone,as you never know when the time may come that the shoes are on someone elses feet).

Other than that I would have had no problem helping you out.But just think,if it is cpr you can ask him out on the sly,your arrogance quotients seem to be compatible.Have FUN.

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), July 09, 2000.


Net Waste YOU ARE A FUCKING LIAR. YOU ARE THE ONE DOING THE "HOUNDING". YOU THINK NOTHING OF SMEARING ME AND ANY OF THE DE- BUNKERS.

YOU SPENT OVER A YEAR HASSLING ME. You and Old Git, CT, OUTS-R-US and the rest of your PARANOIC ASS WIPE EXTREMISTS.



-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), July 09, 2000.



So cap... you feel it's ok for a group of people to terrorize and pursue someone all over the net?... bear in mind these are self-professed IT pros ... they have tryed to hack me and trace me for whatever their resons were, and came real close sometimes.

I hope you run into these types sometime in your life, and I hope you have the resources and knowlege to stop them... or you won't be here long...

To the anon e-mailer :-) It supprised me who it was......... thanx :-)

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), July 10, 2000.


FOR THE RECORD......I DON'T MUCH GIVE A DAMN WHO YOU ARE, SHITHEAD. I NEVER DID.

YOU...GUTLESS SHEETED "NET WASTE"....took it on yourself to hassle me because I stated and will re-state here, I would turn in ANYONE who threatened this country as Gary North and some of the Extremist that travel with him do. Most of those people........unlike YOU...have the guts to put their name on their posts.

My collection of Y2k extremists includes PUBLICALLY POSTED AND SIGNED STATEMENTS BY A "GAGGLE OF CREEPY PEOPLE". Two of those made OPEN THREATS TO ME.

MY LIST of 100 people never included the people on TB I unless they started going BIZZARO: Dennis Olson threats to people was such an example. There was no need to collect even his stuff because its all on the NET retrievable by Search Engines and Bots.

YOU, like Most PARANOIDS took that as a threat to yourself. NOW YOUR SICKNESS IS IN FRONT OF ALL TO SEE.

What I care about is the DIRTY TACTICS USED BY YOU AND OTHERS TO DISTORT Y2k Problems. Over and over before and after 1/1/2000. We have proof that some of it was from Gary North's "friends". Other were simply TB I people thinking they were funny. HELLER was outed on Debunkers because of the IP numbers. Even HELLER ISN"T worth SHIT because few listened to his Extremist views.

Time and again, the Ring Leaders on Yourdon's Stink Bomb played the game, "Who are you?" when anyone DARED to question their EXTREMISM. It should be obvious now that this is just another effort to ruin TB Uncensored.

Few are left here that bought the extremism of YOURDON AND NORTH. Most woke up long ago or fled to the CAVE of EY II/EZ.



-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), July 10, 2000.


BTW... I'm not Mark or Carlos... I've always posted under CT, Netghost, and a few times as Casper... I don't do the 20 names like creeper does.....

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), July 10, 2000.

THERE GOES THE PSYCHO CREEPER AGAIN, RUINING ANOTHER THREAD BY BLOWING HIS TOP WITH HIS LOUDMOUTH CAPS. WHAT A FUCKING LOSER, UNABLE TO CONTROL HIS DEMEANOR IN A SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE FASHION. HE REALLY SHOULD BE INSTITUTIONALIZED.

-- (BIG@TEXT.MAN), July 10, 2000.

It really bugs you doesn't creeper... you went so far as to recruite... no!!!... I'm not going to give it away... thanx all for the e-mails, that addy is now dead :-)

-- Netghost (g@no.yr), July 10, 2000.


NG,

I never said I thought it was allright,I said I did not recieve the email you referred to and it brought to mind the time I asked something of you.I thought it quite ironic that YOU would want something from moi.

"I hope you run into these types sometime in your life, and I hope you have the resources and knowlege to stop them... or you won't be here long..."

I appreciate your well wishes NG,I am slowly but surely teaching myself and learning,not that I would want to bother you by asking any stupid questions.

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), July 10, 2000.


To the anon e-mailer :-) It supprised me who it was......... thanx :- )

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), July 10, 2000.

----------------- What was the big surprise, Bozo?-----------

-- Friday (Friday@gilligansIsle.org), July 10, 2000.


You see creep?... the only reason I started on you in the first place was your lists...... I never could stand a snitch, and I can't abide a weak blowhard like you that has a "little man complex" ... now... do you want to really go thru a "pissing contest", with all of your false assumptions about me, and all of the truths about you?

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), July 10, 2000.

Netghost,

Don't give yourself so much credit. No one really gives a shit who you are.

I don't think that you are Carlos, however. I think Carlos is a girl.

-- CJS (cjs044@aol.com), July 10, 2000.


You know...life is too short for this petty bickering. Time to take one of those RV's and go on vacation?

I really don't get why some are so afraid that someone is going to "find them". Out of several billion people, what makes you so special?

p.s. My gawd, there are a million car alarms going off at once. I didn't feel an earthquake. Did anyone else?

-- cin (cin@cin.cin), July 10, 2000.



HOLY SHIT! Even I caught the irony in ME saying people who post anon have NO GUTS!! The Shadow Knows an Archivist Reality Checker Sleighs Buff E. on Friday. I'm starting to get confused. My apologies. Oh, and I DIDN'T POST THIS YOU PATHETIC ASSWIPE!!!

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), July 10, 2000.

Hey Chuck... did I say you were the origin of this?... did I say you were part of this?... bet your ass I did !!!... will I tell who?... nope...

Go ahead and rant and rave. you and your buds are better than Loony Tunes :-)

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), July 10, 2000.


"an attemp(sic) at cencorship(sic)"

First, figure out what the hell censorship is, moron. Then come tell us all how you are so important that someone is trying to prevent you from speaking your mind (I know it wouldn't take you long to do THAT...."small" subject)

You have been allowed to spew your dribble all over this and many other forums....attacking others because you don't agree, or because they were RIGHT about y2k....you are a small, petty little man.

AND....CJS is right.....nobody gives a shit who you are. NOW....go get a life, and stop bothering the adults.

-- (riffraff@white.trash), July 10, 2000.


"stop bothering the adults."

ROTFL!!! WHAT ADULTS??

CREEPER IS AN 8 YEAR OLD DWEEB! AND SO ARE YOU RIFFRAFF DIPSHIT!

LOL!!

-- (BIG@TEXT.MAN), July 10, 2000.


(Don't mind me. Just sweeping up. Could you lift your legs, please? Thank you.)

-- (The.Night.Janitor@Second.Shift), July 10, 2000.

Netghost goes around causing problems for people, besmirching them and acting like a jealous bitch, them whines when someone retaliates. And we should feel bad for him? I think not.

And he is stupid enough to post that he believes it is CPR, finds out different, then ASSumes CPR put that person up to it.

Being an asshole to so many people will cause some of them to get sick and tired of it ant attempt to retaliate. Netghost, it appears you are getting what you so richly deserve.

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), July 10, 2000.


cpr on Uncensored: MY LIST of 100 people never included the people on TB I unless they started going BIZZARO

cpr on Debunking Y2K: Go find out who I am before you run your mouth trying to be buddies with the field hands in the Swamp Pit... The latter is easy because I'm a DB type anyway (which nicely explains why my files have such nice complete backgounds on your new friends).

And cpr posted this too:

Interesting set of IP addresses. MOSTLY SHEETED TYPES

209.71.86.14 ......... PIPER

209.71.86.158) Princeton

209.71.85.202 PRINCETON

209.138.210.118 DAVE PRIME

207.205.175.242) DavePrime

207.177.90.25) b

209.210.151.200) Cory Hill

209.252.141.177 HATE SPAMMER on both lists (located at splitrock.com)

204.214.126.137) CT ..(OutingsR?? )

224.28.0.0 - 24.31.255.255 wfk122 cincyRR.com

152.167.65.233) . "YOU trust in God?

152.167.65.233) . on November 16, 1999 at 18:34:44:????

171.212.160.33????

171.218.67.125 ????

171.218.67.125 ??? SOLVENT POSTER 11/17

171.208.182.189)

171.209.184.180) What if it goes to 8.??

You can find out what other things cpr and friends said by going to the Debunking Y2K site at http://stand77.com/wwwboard/board.html. Unfortunately, you won't find any posts before September because they were all lost. How convenient!!! I bet cpr has the lost Debunking Y2K posts on file and I also bet he won't make them available.

-- Seeker (of@the.facts), July 10, 2000.


riffraff@white.trash wrote, "You have been allowed to spew your dribble"

Methinks Carlos doesn't mistake dribble for drivel. But, this is a trademark error of a certain other poster. Who could it be? Oh, who could it be?

-- (Guess@LOL.LOL), July 10, 2000.


SEEKER. BULL SHIT. Does the PARANOIA have no limits with you CREEPS LIKE "NET WASTED" who thinks he is being "hounded across the internet"????

I have the files. So do most of the de-bunkers. You can get them. SUE ME and ask for them in "disclosure". Be prepared to pay all my costs plus damages when I counter sue and the Judge pre-empts everything.

BTW, the complete BIFFY, de-bunkers, TB I, GN, and many more sites were "scaped" and saved to CD. Some of the CDs were distributed to Universities.

IN SHORT........DOOM ZOMBIES....YOU HAVE BEEN "IMMORTALIZED".

Of course, you *knew that* because 1/2 of you think the FBI and The Powers that BE **bothered** to waste their time and tax payer money collecting informatation about YOU NIT-WITS.



-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), July 10, 2000.


IT'S A SUBSET OF THE SET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Oh, sorry. Wrong thread.

-- J (Y2J@home.comm), July 10, 2000.

>> I have to assume that [...] Brian [thinks] this kind of activity is ok... <<

Bad assumption, Netghost. If you look carefully at the address line you posted, you'll see it was addressed to "brian@ims.com", and not to brianm@ims.com.

That is why the email you refer to never reached me.

Next, that particular mailbox is not one I check every day. Anything sent to that box on "Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:48:01" wouldn't have reached me until today, even if the freaking address had been right in the first place.

Gee, thanks for thinking the worst of me, jumping to false assumptions, and then posting them here.

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), July 10, 2000.


NG:

I got the e-mail. It was from someone I didn't know and my policy is to immediately delete e-mails for people I don't know (can't be too careful nowadays). Even if I had opened it, I could care less about anyone tracking anyone down, who you are, or other such nonsense. I would have deleted it anyway.

Why is this still such a big deal seven months into the year 2000?

-- Jim Cooke (JJCooke@yahoo.com), July 10, 2000.


"Seeker (of@the.facts)" sounds like OldGit. Never bothered by facts, (stuff like, say.....the FACT that stand77 didn't exist before sept. Hell, that don't mean nuthin'.....) it is easier to just repeat lies over and over, in hopes that someone....anyone.... will eventually believe them.

As for the mobile home salesman....who give a flying f***?

-- (LMAO@doomers.stuck.in.da.past!), July 10, 2000.


Capn: Can I ask you a stupid question? please?

Wanna Net restle :-)

----sumer who is goofy today.......

-- consumer (shh@aol.com), July 10, 2000.


Sumer,

Sure!!! How do ya net rassle?

Allways up for tryin' new things : )

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), July 10, 2000.


Furthermore,I once asked for your "tech" opinion on a subject and you replied in a laughing,arrogant,condescending fashion,

Sorry Cap, you must have caught me when I was dodging bullets from all directions and thought your question was just another one, I don't remember the incident, what can I say? :-)

I found out who sent the e-mails, and as the IP's that were listed are brand new on the server I use, and couldn't have been picked up at De Bunker or BIFFY... well, I'll let you draw your own conclusion... Oh... and here is something that wasn't included in the copy that was posted here...Mortimer Snodgrass
-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), July 10, 2000.


Hmmm.... part of that post was deleted... the part right after Mortimer Snodgrass... it was Just in case there is a block on that e-mail address being posted here, let's try:
-- Netghost (Ng@no.yr), July 10, 2000.

Ok Chris..... I can see you have me marked and won't let me post your e-mail address here... hope you know this won't stop me and really opens a can of worms :-)

-- Netghost (ng@no.yr), July 10, 2000.

It wasn't deleted, it's still there in the HTML source. You enclosed it in left & right carets, which causes the brower's rendering engine to disregard it when it displays the text.

-- . (n@n.n), July 11, 2000.

PS:

To ensure privacy, use this as your starting URL when wading through this shithole:

Privacy is your right!

-- . (n@n.n), July 11, 2000.


Hey, this netoast guy is really paranoid! And ignorant to boot!

Hey, moron....if you wanna post an e-mail link, do it like this:

Netghost's alter ego

Of course you would need to know how to read the source code to learn how to do it, and I think that is beyond your abilities! You do what again? Manager and IT head????

Snicker. Remind me not to buy anything from you....

Free advice: stick to looking at porn, netoast. It is what you do best. PS: that is probably who is pinging your computer all the time....those porno companies keep good records of all your visits, you know.

Portrait of a parnoid netoast

-- (riffraff@white.trash), July 12, 2000.


What IS this all about? Who CARES who you are, Netghost? From what *I*'ve read of your posts, you've simply tried to "out" others. You spent an inordinate amount of time on OTFR, spent a certain amount of time on Patricia and Doc Paulie, and spent some time telling folks that you "KNEW intimate details about other old regulars. To ME, you're the internet equivalent of a backyard gossip. I didn't get the E-mail, but the folks who did tended towards trashing it. Didn't that give you a clue as to the importance they placed on tracing you?

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), July 12, 2000.

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