I told you so

Ive been a lurker here since mid-99. I try to stay away from posts that have much name calling, etc. Its very easy (just look at the initiators of the threads).

However, there are a few posters who just wont leave y2k alone and Im compelled to say to them get over it!! To be right should be satisfaction enough. The na-nee-na-nee-boo-boo is, I dont know what to call it, but its certainly immature.

So, I say I stay away from name calling threads, and here I am. Believe me when I say this is not my better nature, and I never get involved in this type of crap, personally or cyberwise. But I am wondering WHY are we inundated with stuff thats behind us a he-said, she-said.? Who cares, move on.

I remember pre-2000 posts and many were ugly on both sides. I ignored it then because there were lots more threads and there was much debate about the rollover and tons of news. Debate and news are good. But these recent postings, that demonstrate that the posters are spending an inordinate amount of time looking up old threads and documents so they can (repeatedly) say I told you so, are just beyond me. Sup?

PS Im sincere and trying to be nice but still make my point sorry if this offends anyone!!

PS2 I prepared for y2k, enjoyed it, and plan to remain in a preparedness mode. Although shocked, I was overjoyed that there were so few problems. I misjudged the situation, and it only affected my family. Who am I to apologize to? I took a quiet position and didnt debate and sling mud. Its my business and I may have been wrong about the y2k outcome, it was RIGHT for ME to prepare. My choice and I wont apologize. My family benefits from our preparedness and will continue to do so.

Ive always wondered what makes people hang on to dead issues, personal or otherwise. Please, I am right-ers, give us all a break and move on to some current events. This used to be the BEST place to get news. Now this forum is a bunch of bickering about past issues and it reflects very poorly on the caliber of writers to this forum. Lets get back to NEWS not NANEE-NANEE-BOO-BOO!!

-- keep the faith... (booann77@hotmail.com), June 27, 2000

Answers

Not to offend, but when you say news I hope you mean real news backed up by facts and sources as opposed to much of the so-called news that used to be posted to TB2000.

-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), June 27, 2000.

Buddy

This one "prepared" based on evaluation of news that was more suitable for a "National Enquirer". World Net,Loserswire, Gary and TB I were the Net checkout line waiting material that SENSIBLE PEOPLE (read 99% others) return when their turn comes.

Y2k Fear Fud Foolery is a great *tribute* to the American Educational System. It proved that "some always fall between the cracks" when Common Sense and Judgement are handed out. ONLY in AMERICA ? No where else was any credence given to *ANY* "disaster scenario" except as part of a potential range of possible outcomes mostly by Politicians who specialize in "Leading the intellectually blind and dumb" anyway.

-- cpr (buytexas@swbell.net), June 27, 2000.

Not to offend, but when you say facts and sources I hope you mean facts and sources of the truth, as opposed to much of the so-called "facts and sources" that ignorant people think is true because it comes from people in high places.

-- open your eyes (see the lies @ right in front. of you), June 27, 2000.

WOW! Two big laughs in one day!

Not to offend, but when you say facts and sources I hope you mean facts and sources of the truth, as opposed to much of the so-called "facts and sources" that ignorant people think is true because it comes from people in high places.

-- open your eyes (see the lies @ right in front. of you), June 27, 2000.

And what would those be? The ones from the State Dept. who at one time were graded an F on Y2K by Rep. Horn but a few months later were being quoted by doomers because of concerns for other countries that turned out to be overblown? Or the ones from Koskinen or Bennett that agreed with the doomer point of view, while doomers conveniently ignored or pooh-poohed their other statements that didn't agree with the doomer view? Or the ones from the GAO that turned out to be months behind reality? Or the ones written in the sky in "chemtrails"?

-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), June 27, 2000.

What is wrong with you guys? Do you need to put people down to build yourselves up? This thread is about just this type of crap... so far... nation equirer, loerswire... not SENSIBLE.. fall between the cracks for common sense and judgement... intellectually blind and dumb...

Please find another thread for these comments... these are just nothing but "I'm bloating my ego" insults. Good day!

-- keep the faith... (booann77@hotmail.com), June 27, 2000.

Butt-Buddy,

Who said anything about Y2K, we were talking about news, were we not dipshit?

-- open your eyes (or remove head from @ butt. buddy), June 27, 2000.

I understand what you're saying, booann. Yesterday the news reports were full of information on how human DNA had been finally unwrapped. Up until recently, that wouldn't have been news to me, as I would have seen the press reports and read the links on this forum.

I'd be more interested in discussing topics like that than I am in the Rorschach tests of "Name this thing", or the posts that lash out at anyone/everyone who saw Y2k unfolding in a negative way.

The problem seems to be that the folks who enjoy this sortof thing have taken control of the forum and those who would prefer to discuss other things have allowed this to happen. I'm as guilty on this as anyone else. I've come here the past few days and pretty much kept my finger on the back button. It's laziness, I admit. I don't often start threads. I'm one of the apathetic majority who just ALLOW folks to take over fora, express their fanatic views, and allow them to speak for ME. I saw the same thing happen to Y2k fora where a balanced group began discussing Y2k rationally. One of the folks who is doing the very same thing here right now told me that these folks plot these things offline. I guess he doesn't see it when the shoe is on HIS foot.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), June 27, 2000.

Hey "open your eyes", it's just an example referring to news about Y2K from people in high places that I discounted. As far as Y2K goes, I was ahead of the curve compared to people in high places.

You seem to be falling into the behavior that booann77 is complaining about. Attack my ideas if you want, but the namecalling will get you nowhere. You sound like INVAR.

-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), June 27, 2000.

(Pssst, hey Buddy... ahem, uh, I think booann77 was commenting on your last post.)

-- (sounds@like.it), June 27, 2000.

"sounds@like.it" maybe so. However, what "open your eyes" posted qualifies as the "putting people down" type more so than anything else written here.

-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), June 27, 2000.

>> Do you need to put people down to build yourselves up? <<

This could not be more simple. cpr was right about Y2K. He was right before Andy Ray was right. He was right so often about Y2K that he was perfectly right.

Don't you think he deserves a little more respect around here? After all, he was right about Y2K. Incidentally, I was wrong about Y2K. I know that now. It has changed my life. I will never forget it. I was wrong. Lots wronger than anything I do could ever atone for.

However, when I get too down about being wrong, I can always look up from my inner darkness and think of cpr. He was right about Y2K. It gives me hope for the future. We should all thank God that cpr is alive and that we live now, in this exciting time - the cpr era.

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), June 27, 2000.

I guess the issue is, to simplify: name-calling, blaming, insulting, rude, redundant, I told ya so, nanny nanny boo boo type comments. This is what my original post was about, and my second answer was directed at anyone who answered my post in the manner in which I'm trying to get away from!!

It's really too simple. Look at the threads and see that far too much is written to deliberately make people feel less than they are by way of insults. Of course, being insulted by someone actually is no reflection on the person being insulted.

I wrote this post over a week ago and didn't post it because I thought maybe these y2k I told you so-ers would give it a break. This forum is nothing more than who said what to whom and how they said it and what someone else said...

ps... nanny nanny boo boo!!:)

-- keep the faith... (booann77@hotmail.com), June 27, 2000.

LOL Brian! Yes indeed, maybe the CEEPER era is the second coming of Christ that Christians have predicted. There will be no more strife, problems, or disasters in the world because CEEPER has the ability to see the future, and he is always right. The only part that doesn't make sense though is how Jesus could be such a raving lunatic. Well, at the very least, it seems he could be a politician.

CEEPER for president! We need a leader who is always right! We need a leader who can protect us from the evil capitalist pig Ed Yourdon's of the world! RAH! RAH! RAH!

-- Hawk (flyin@hi.again), June 27, 2000.

"This forum is nothing more than who said what to whom and how they said it and what someone else said... "

Kinda sums up the whole Y2K debate from the get go.

-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), June 27, 2000.

Jes' cain't hep yerself kin ya!!!

I have a challenge... can anyone write a short statement about anything newsworthy that does not mock or insult?

-- keep the faith... (booann77@hotmail.com), June 27, 2000.

I read in the news today that booann77 is a big fat poopoo head.

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), June 27, 2000.

hmmmm... while I was away, I changed my email to booann777. Please, if you think I'm so newsworthy, you might want to use my new "handle". Thanks for thinking of me!

-- keep the faith... (booann777@hotmail.com), June 27, 2000.

Here's a thread from Anita about genetic mapping. It seems that scientists have assembled virtually the entire set of genetic instructions for building a human body, putting humanity on the threshold of secrets that may revolutionize the treatment and diagnosis of disease.

Also, I read in the news today that booann777 is a big fat poopoo head.

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), June 27, 2000.

I read in the news today that 'name of offending poster' is a big fat poopoo head.

I fantasize the above phrase being edited into all posts which carry personal attacks, with the offending section(s) deleted. OK, so my fantasies are less than enthralling. Of course this would create the infamous "big, fat poopoo head paradox". Nobel prize awaiting he/she who solves it, fer sure. While I wait for this policy to manifest, I'll continue to check in here less & less frequently (common toothless threat).

booann77, you hit it right on the head - this is about egos out of balance. Balance? Did someone say balance?

-- Bingo1 (howe9@shentel.net), June 27, 2000.

Why you Alfred Batman's Butler is a big, fat poopoo head

-- Alfred Batman's Butler (to@the.batcave), June 27, 2000.

Buddy:

"Kinda sums up the whole Y2K debate from the get go."

This is true, but WTF has it got to do with THIS forum? This is no longer a Y2k forum. Old Regular can't change the name of this place, but he/she gave us all a place to meet after TB I created the EZBOARD forum, right? It began as a place where ANYONE [despite their views on Y2k} could continue to discuss either Y2k or other issues.

Here we are, five to six months after that happened and a few folks found a burr up their ass and the only place they can vent their frustration is HERE. They're not ALLOWED on EZBOARD, and all the Y2k fora are dead. Why should this forum have to suffer because some folks have no other place to go?

Just like with Y2k, there is a SMALL group of folks who want to ruin a forum for everyone else. Do you really want to be a part of that, Buddy, or do you want to put yourself above the LL spamming and the CPR "fuck you sidewise" shit?

There are other fora. I've spent more time at Poole's Roost lately than I have HERE. Y2k is like everything else. It was news at the time, but it's not news anymore, no matter how much some folks want to cling to it. Monica sucked Bill's cock. Clinton was impeached. It's all a done deal, and folks can relive those moments until the cows come home, but what's the point? The very people accusing Bill were later found out to be doing the very same thing themselves. Was posting regarding Y2k the highlight of your life?

I apologize for using terms unacceptable for family viewing, but SOMEONE had to bring this conversation down to a level understood by ALL.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), June 27, 2000.

I've got news for you Anita. I posted to TB2000 because of Y2K. I posted to Biffy and Debunky because of Y2K. I've been on this forum because of Y2K. This forum was created as a direct result of the FUD of Y2K. It is certainly still relevant to discuss Y2K here. It may be over, but the FUD isn't. There are still people posting here who think that something will still happen because of Y2K.

I don't see anything wrong with discussing Y2K and I am not here for a chat.

-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), June 27, 2000.

Buddy:

I agree with you. There ARE perhaps 2 people who post here who still see Y2k unfolding in a negative way. If Y2k is the ONLY thing you expect from this forum, there are numerous threads started each day that address Y2k. Booann misses the news. *I* miss it as well. She's not talking about news that addresses Y2k, and neither am I.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), June 27, 2000.

Almost wanted to light up after reading your, uh, post there Anita.

I appreciate both your sentiments & candor. Those to whom your words are directed towards most probably will never understand the meaning of the phrase "let's move on". This ain't going away no matter how good the arguements are for or against. This is a plague, a blight which shall not be impeded by such foul terms as "perspective" and "civility".

This is an open forum with a red-button issue for a legacy, hence the peaceful majority will be dominated by the uncivil minority until the walls come tumbling down. And that friends is the rest of the story.

I'll wrap my crystal ball & go on home now.

-- Bingo1 (howe9@shentel.net), June 27, 2000.

Hmmm..Thanks for the link to real (Anita, thanks) news. Still glad you are thinking of me, but my head is not really big and fat, it's smaller, and kind of mushy sometimes!! And, really, if you think about it a "boo boo" head would be more precise in my case! That would be... small, mushy, boo boo head!! I hope you haven't gone to press yet with the exciting news of ME ME ME!!

Bingo1... I've always been unbalanced, I guess that's why I still frequent this forum (and for some crazy reason actually posting to it!). There is a wealth of (real)humor, intelligence,... somewhere behind big (compensating for small) egos.

Actually, I can be pretty sarcastic myself, but a bit of humor and/or understanding would go a long way to facilitate real debate. That's all. I love a good gouge if it's sole intent is not to be rude or hateful.

I know I've made my point and too many times for sure... I'm getting sick of myself!!

Love, SMBBH

-- keep the faith... (booann777@hotmail.com), June 27, 2000.

OK, Anita. I didn't start in on Y2K here until some anonymous person posted a remark that I felt deserved a response. I used Y2K as an example because the remark seemed to be referring to my past history on the Y2K forums.

If ya wanna talk about the news, there's nothing stopping you from starting a thread. I guess I just don't get it.

-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), June 27, 2000.

Just like with Y2k, there is a SMALL group of folks who want to ruin a forum for everyone else.

I have to take issue with this statement. I doubt anybody wants to "ruin the forum for everyone else." I can't see CPR, Andy Ray, Heller, Sysman, or anyone else getting up each morning thinking "Hey, I really want to bust up that Uncensored Forum!!" That's just not what's happening.

These people are posting what they want. It happens to be about Y2K. Yes, there are people who still can't "get over" Y2K, just as there are people who can't "get over" the people who can't get over Y2K. Don't expect that to change anytime soon.

This place works in phases. We had the LadyLogic phase, then the "Quotably Quoted" phase, then the Heller phase, and the CPR phase. Topics and people will come and go, some you'll like, some you won't.

You addressed this topic quite well already, Anita. If you want to see something different in this forum, you need only click on the New Post link. You don't have to get moderator approval, you don't even need to take a vote! Just post.

Carl Jenkins, Homer Beanfang, and Dee aren't around anymore. And don't look for them on EZBoard, they're not there either. It's up to us (or you) to find the news and post it. The forum isn't being "ruined" simply because people are discussing topics you don't like. You have everything you need to make this place more like what you want it to be. And you don't even have to shout "DELETE!" to do it. LOL.

-- (hmm@hmm.hmm), June 27, 2000.

Buddy, I tried to be non-specific about my complaint not mentioning names or even subjects. I have no objection whatsoever to posting y2k stuff, just not rude, I told you so, or, (do I dare say it again?) nanny nanny boo boo crap. The point is not the subject, it's the delivery... yours truly, SMBBH...

-- keep the faith... (booann777@hotmail.com), June 27, 2000.

Buddy and Hmmm:

A good forum CAN be ruined by a few loud, consistent posters. The reason why is exactly as you both stated: The meek majority lies dormant, or goes away. I was once a regular on a Y2k forum that had people posting from both camps pretty much in balance. It was GREAT. THEN, just a FEW posters came in with nothing to offer but gloom and doom. It didn't matter what you posted. Your post was followed by something totally unrelated that expressed THEIR opinion on Y2k. I wasn't at the Yourdon forum in the beginning, so I don't know how, that forum changed to include only the viewpoints of the pessimists, but I was there to see folks leave in droves when they grew tired of it. I don't want to see the same thing happen here, and booann's post pointed out to me that it was due to MY apathy, and the apathy of the other folks who have enjoyed this forum that this COULD happen.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), June 27, 2000.

I get your point Anita.

This is what set me off:

"I remember pre-2000 posts and many were ugly on both sides. I ignored it then because there were lots more threads and there was much debate about the rollover and tons of news."

I beg to differ on how much news there was on the old TB2000. And I would hate to see this forum full of the stuff that passed for "news" on that forum.

I also don't like talk about "regulars take back the forum". It rubs me the wrong way and sounds too much like the old TB2000 forum. Exactly who would those regulars be? There are quite a few regulars here who don't post often but do chime in often enough to be considered regulars.

-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), June 27, 2000.

You don't like the "what is it" stuff?

Why? What is wrong with it?

I thought it would be something different, is there some deep hidden meaning behind them that I don't understand?

Since no one will be happy with how this forum is being used, is the answer to shut it down completely so no one has to get irritated with the posts?

After all, if you don't like whats posted, don't read it. Don't mexpect others to stop posting subjects you don't like, they don't have to. It's a free forum. Yep, that means for everyone. I don't expect others to post only things I want to talk about, but the things I want to talk about I post about so I can talk about them. Even if others don't agree with what I have to say or are not interested in talking about them. That's life.

The nice thing about here is that it is uncencered, to have the advantages of that we also have to put up with the disadvantages.

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), June 27, 2000.

Hey Butt-Buddy, I heard you and Ceeper like to bump buns together. Got any pictures? What's he like.. skinny or pushin-cushin? Just wondering... got any pictures?

-- (Chester@the.molester), June 27, 2000.

Booann77: your initial post has made you my Hero. Bravo, Brava! (Esp. your "PS2" remarks. Excellent.)

Buddy, LOL... You make great points!

Brian, ROTF... I could be falling in love with you...

Anita, I agree, the mapping of the genome is remarkable indeed. I'm very excited about it. Thanks for all the info. When I get into reading it, I'll comment. BTW: Did you see that IBM is building a super computer to do the equations necessary to unfold DNA even further? (Or something like that.) I'll try to find it I'm sure it's here somewhere. ;-)

-- Not now, not like this (AgentSmith0110@aol.com), June 27, 2000.

Buddy:

Good point there about the regulars. Folks come and go on ALL fora. I can't say I was a "regular" on TB I. I can't even say I was a "regular" on Debunkers. I CAN say that folks who normally post and lurk [to whom I would refer as the regulars] get turned off when a forum gets massive input from 2 or 3 folks all singing the same song. I try to limit my posts to fora for exactly this reason, even though I have the time to post much more often. Nobody minds al- D posting a new thread once or even twice/day, but when he starts with 3 or more threads/day plus commentary in every other thread, he gets on people's nerves.

Cherri:

I'm not interested in identifying foreign objects. I'm also not interested in objecting to your interest in that. My statement was based on coming into the fora today to see ONLY "Name that Thing" and doomer-bashing threads. I enjoy diversity. You do as well. You're as correct as others who have criticized my comments. My back arrow CAN be clicked on. After a few days of that, however, I had to ask "Why aren't you posting something of more significance? Why isn't anyone else?" Lethargy and apathy are the only reasons I can discern.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), June 27, 2000.

"Why aren't you posting something of more significance? Why isn't anyone else?" Lethargy and apathy are the only reasons I can discern.

No it isnn't apathy, my Dad's been sick, kids are out for the summer, I am replacing part of the floor in the bathroom as well as having put in the toilet and it's HOT here. So I am posting on the run, not interested in deep thought the past few days. Every day is dfferent. When I have time I will sit down (if anyone lets me) and write the questions to Steve Heller, but only after I have given them the time and thought something like that deserves.

Temperatures in the upper 80's are uncommon around here and people head outdoors so they will have something to tell their grandchildren about. My last post was 10 miles from here, the next could be back there, I don't know. Different days I do and think about different things, in a few days when it's raining again I will probably be more interested in posting something that would bring me back to the computer for longer periods.

I'm also looking for my Cobol for Dummies book to take to Vegas :o) although I don't have a spare cabin pressure indicator.

You seem to be more interested in deeper philosophical subject at the moment, so instigate tyhem, I'm sure many who are tired of the arguements are hoping you will. But being summer there is going to be less interest in being on-line for a lot of people. It will pick up in the fall.

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), June 27, 2000.

Thanks for keeping your sense of humor going during the heat wave, Cherri. Is the humidity high during the summer months out there?

Here's one guy hoping Anita & Cherri are familiar with the drinking game 'quarters'. Practice up people.

-- Bingo1 (howe9@shentel.net), June 28, 2000.

Ahhh... sweet relief, this is more like it... it's a love fest!! And I haven't clicked the back button yet...

Anita and Bingo1, you are as true as always; Cherri, I didn't have a clue about what they were but I liked looking at the technology pics and having it somewhat 'spain'd by all the experts... Agent Smith, you are far too kind... please keep it coming...

And now on with the news...

-- keep the faith... (booann777@hotmail.com), June 28, 2000.

Hey Chester,

Quit listening to those voices in your head.

Creep

-- Buddy (buddydc@go.com), June 28, 2000.

Just to clear something up that I really didn't clarify initially:

My statement: "Why aren't you posting something of more significance? Why isn't anyone else?" Lethargy and apathy are the only reasons I can discern." was NOT directed to anyone else but ME! I talk to myself aloud sometimes, and in this case I was chastising myself for noticing a gap in fulfillment but being too damn apathetic to DO anything about it. I have these days where I look at myself and say, "WHAT are you doing?" "Nothing." "THAT'S the point!"

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), June 28, 2000.

Bingo1,

We never know what to expect for summer here. It went from cold and drizzly to upper 80's over night. When it gets that hot it usually is extremely humid. I don't understand why we can't just get some nice 70 degree weather~~~. Some years it is cloudy and drizzly most of the summer, others we start getting 70 degree weather in February. We do seem to finally get hot weather (90's) around the middle of August.

Okay I'll bite, how do you play "quarters"?

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), June 30, 2000.

Heh, heh. No problem Cherri. It's as easy as bouncing a quarter off a flat surface into a designated container, such as a drinking glass or jar. [Used a bong once but we ran out of quarters. Nobody wanted to retrieve them from the skunky water.] Piece of cake. Make it and you pick a participant to down an agreed upon amount of beer, wine, sangria, whiskey, etc. Generally just a healthy swig of beer.

I admit when I was a drunk I'd sink 6 or 7 in a row & drink 'em myself. Hey, I had a big thirst to quench & was too nice to pick on anybody. Usually. Besides, first rule of thumb is NEVER pick the good shooters to drink. Know what I mean? Payback's a bitch and in this case sometimes a barf.

Better show some respect out there. Fair Warning!

I'd never pick you to drink Cherri. Nothing to worry about. Or are you sandbagging me? LOL

-- Bingo1 (howe9@shentel.net), June 30, 2000.